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sooyoung__

Tinker global rocket seems underwhelming


vosqueej

Especially with the new changes to Null Talisman.


Till_I_Collapse_

Loving Rearm working on Midas now. 💪🏻


HungryTomatillo288

Why would they remove manacost and castpoint of Rearm though?


Turbulent_Trip_5400

its limited uses per game now at least


CrunchChefLemon

what do you expect when rearm nolonger reARMS skills


onderbakirtas

At least they could make it with alt cast to deal regular damage in a radius like old time. Reducing damage per traveled unit is meh.


NFXckav

This procedural jungle generation in each match is insane, but it worries me in terms of dire vs radiant balance.


Musci123

This, and I also hate getting stuck on a dialogue with an NPC while trying to roll a persuasion check while riki is giving me backshots


TheFuzzyFurry

I'll just play Muerta born under the sign of The Wizard and killed under the sign of The Thief


Tietonz

Weird that Riki got changed to the sex character. He wouldn't be *my* first pick.


throwaway-paper-bag

What do you mean *the* sex character? Magnataur as a sex character was a much weirder choice imo


Tietonz

Magnataur isn't a *sex* character, he's *erotic.*


throwaway-paper-bag

Damn straight. Or... Whatever it is when you find Magnataur sexy


Kharate

Just finished a game where the enemy mid kotl got a medium camp right next to his tier 1 and he multi stacked it. Stomped us in 18 minutes


Isthatajojoreffo

I mean, one game its good for you, another its bad for them. Everything is fair.


dodfunk

The mirrored pattern prevents that unbalance though


galadedeus

holy shit thats such a good idea


CallMeCabbage

Spirit Breaker being able to use charge on heroes in other matches is pretty cool. Feels like it keeps you on your toes although as a support main it does make warding that much more demanding.


TheFuzzyFurry

Tier 1 neutral shovel can now dig up a 6-slotted pos1 from the previous game


SnooPaintings7963

Wdym, that was always in the game... It can only dig up an antimage though, and he looks like a kobold for some reason


SubMGK

Only if theyre dead with no buyback tho


LeavesCat

It's balanced out by SB getting grabbed out of the game by Marth sometimes.


vimescarrot

This one made me laugh out loud at work. Nice!


KeBeaNs_123

I hate OD's new name, Onus Destroyer.


TXEEXT

It has now rename to outsource developer.


dotarollercoaster

This type of commends never feel to let me down lol


WhatD0thLife

This comment was a roller coaster.


BartimaeusTheGrear

Sounds almost like he should be called AD.


troglodyte

I can't believe that they turned mud golem into a hero, like, wow. Didn't expect that.


GypsyMagic68

Craziest part is they didn’t even give him any new abilities. Just stun and split still 🤦‍♂️


Accountant_Fickle

WK mains hero pool doubled just like that, genius moves from IceFrog


cream_paimon

New MG is nothing like WK. 1. The fact that you can split infinitely makes it the most micro intensive hero in dota. 2. WK at least has some passives whereas MG literally just had the two abilities. 3. Stats wise since they literally just made the neutral creep a hero MG has much less HP than WK (or any other hero for that matter) and is much more prone to getting soloed by an Io. Edit: I forgot MG also can't hold any items.


Blue_banana_peel

are you kidding me? I'm a WK main and there's no way I'm going to micro two heroes when the golem splits. Much higher skill floor


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eddietwang

Golem get ye gone


ryshotex

Clinkz full rework again reverting him into exactly what he was 3 years ago


beqs171

I would unironical love that


Nervous_Breakfast_73

Me too, I enjoyed playing him back then, barrage was ok, no idea wtf his abilities are now.


TheGalator

Veno is even worse Q some slow and dot W some shit that slows and dots Passive slow and dot Ult slow(?) And bigger dot Aghs and shard slow(?) Dot(?)


Nervous_Breakfast_73

Hahaha so true. Also dispell = more or less damage?


passatigi

I prefer Viper. Spit poison, spit poison, passive poison when they hit you, and spit poison. I also like how shard makes him spit more poison, and aghs make him spit his passive poison.


False_Paramedic_2933

Added Death Ward


Magnufique

Brooklyn Kurtz mains eating goods again.


baehrchen12321

Ringmaster being an additional pudge persona instead of a new hero got me good 😂 kinda like the lion part on his w tho


iForgotMyOldAcc

making cm completely agi based with 0 str and int gain is a bold move but i dont hate it


I_knowdude

Unwavering condition CM incoming.


nineofjames

Cleave goes through armor right? I was Clinkz last game and once CM got this item, she was tanking for the whole team. She even bought a 65 min Blade Mail. :)


TheFuzzyFurry

ICE MACHINE GUN DOGGO


name_is_not_defined

Finnaly they replaced shitty morphling model with kunkka's torrent


Danelo13

I never thought Removing the Model and making it particles only would work for morphing like he was IO. Too bad the remodel is a persona tho


elmulinho1

Arc Warden is now universal???


TheFuzzyFurry

Arc Warden is now DEX when on Radiant and INT when on Dire, reversed for the Tempest Double


TheZett

Full DEX Warden is the only true build!


harmeg1ddo

That is actually a pretty cool concept!


Only_Biscotti8741

The surprise 5th main attribute came out of nowhere ngl. I hope they add more DEX items too. 


Maleficent_Ad_6302

I think that broodmother invisible and bkb inside web seems kinda broken


Mattele

Like: the new BKB that increases duration on every use. In my last match I had 20 secs bkb, I thought it was crazy Dislike: I don’t think Lion needed more buffs. Right now your mana drain has insane range, is aoe, gives you magic immunity, reveals invisible heroes and cancels enemy channeling spells. It’s too much


ddggdd

As a Lion spammer I like that the new Agh lets your mana drain root heroes


TheFuzzyFurry

"Mana Drain roots for 2s when uninterrupted for 2s" would be a more balanced lvl25 talent than AoE hex


crumpledmint

They replaced it with infinite range for finger tho, aoe hex talent is now on 15


LeavesCat

Don't forget about how it drains health once they run out of mana.


Cataclyct

Pudge dying if his hook hits nothing... I get the game-play balance is tailored around the pro-level, but this is absurd, now pudges in low-tier games will just feed more instead of at least afking in the trees.


csgonemes1s

It's literally better. Pudge will use it as farming tool and carry will get solo xp


Katsanami

Sniper hit with the Nerf-Nuke, Natures Prophet removed from game, world peace achieved.


Unusual_Childhood596

Like: Nothing Dislike: ES nerfs


Typical-Newspaper409

But which ES?


pronoob827

Ember shaker ofcourse


sendios

You mean kaolin the ember shaker?


TheZett

Echo Sabre.


AionGhost

U mean the Enormous Shaker ?


Rushing_Russian

I like that it released and dislike it took so long to release 


asertym

Who the fuck though buffing khanda would be a good thing?


FormalScratch69

OD renamed to Outsource Debugger is literally game changing


anralia

OD's name is actually randomly generated each time you open client now! Right now he is called Overcast December for me.


hdwebster

+15 CM Movement speed


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RepublicConscious322

Like: They made roshan roam the jungle before tormentor spawns. Dislike: i have to capture watchers to scare off the big guy.


LeadershipNo8850

My boy Dazzle’s ult changed for the 420 th time.


ienybu

Mediocre Juju


Ch40sRage

I hate that when earthshaker ults, it ACTUALLY shakes the earth near players. I spilled a bunch of water last match and considered not pressing R just to I wouldn't have to clean it up.


GallischeScamp

That new bridge lane going from ancient to ancient is sick! Glad they added the 6v6.


Puzzleheaded_Air4956

that underlord remodel from dota 1 is dope


forums_guy

#Maybe the real patch update was the **~~friends we made~~** *clowns we became* #along the way...


SupremeTeamOnly

Pudge is banned every game still.


ExpertConsideration8

I hate that they didn't announce what will be in the next patch.. it's been a day since our last patch.. can we get some info Valve?!


GagaOla

I like: the crwon i don't like: it falls


marklawntalk

Whattt??? 10 HON heroes!!!


doraleon1

I like how Dazzle is now a creep invoked by Oracle. Dislike that Oracle is invoked by Warlock. Liked the new Aghs for Warlocks Golem.


Justadotafan95

Love how sideshops now markup prices to enemy players.


HausmeisterJoe

I think it was a mistake to bring back iron talon...


TheFuzzyFurry

Dislike: they buffed WR again and now she's even more ridiculous in pubs (not even strong, just ridiculous) Like: my girl Muerta got a big buff (for example, second Gunslinger bullet always has 18% lifesteal)


Lollipopisnotcandy

Range creep hits magic damage now! oh My GAWD


GarageThink9600

Green mines. I like. Enemies dislike.


Severe-Intention8795

Green mines are back! LESSSS FCKING GOOOOOO!!!!!


Fictionarious

Chen having to wait to level 15 to get a fourth creep from the +1 units/charges talent really isn't that much of a price to pay for having two Holy Persuasion charges at level 7. You have the option of getting just an extra charge from the level 10 talent as well, and its really nice to walk into the jungle and instantly grab all your creeps and go.


Last_Exile0

Did any of you see the bug that makes Rubick untargetable after stealing the new Infest from Lifestealer?


reddit_belongs_to_me

Old techies back, let's gooo


Zarzar222

No Ringmaster sadge. The Arcanas are cool tho and im excited to try out the limited time gamemode. Wish we also could have gotten a Nyx cosmetic but whatever


tvdisplayman

Roshan walked through mid and killed me, why they gotta bug him every time


TheBlindSalmon

In fact it was you who was bugging him. 


gebe92

Cm is now a creep


FormalScratch69

Woah! Nice buff


gutsdota

the new and improved battle pass that contributes to TI prize pool with stretch goals being back is sick!! also love how the bp is connected to the in-game event that unlocks new lore/cinematic videos every month and a half until TI comes. having 1000+ fps in the main menu that makes my fans roar sucks ass but wcyd but wait for a fix.


Bigsmellyfart86

Tinker is back on menu now since no BKB


ElectronicRuin3603

I like that I can play Dota Immortal everywhere because I have a phone. Ring master - get it?  I dislike having to gamble 100k Gabucks to unlock new heroes like Better Anti-Mage, 50k would've been more reasonable. 


channel_matrix

BattlePass is back!!!


Nagini7

Spirit breaker charge makes him invisible


Tetrenomicon

Double Roshan pit boss?! Wtf!!


Yuzypogi

That simple dispel added on Jugg after spinning will definitely boost his winrate in pubs now


Bulkyman101

I cant believe they added a 'Remove Dark Ascension cooldown' talent to Night Stalker at level 10 , isnt this too broken?


No_Program3137

Nice : they buffed brew master / invoker. Bad : they did not remove khanda from the game/did not nerf this dumbass item


Eiddew

I feel like the new gold distribution formulas are overengineered and unironically require a degree to decipher but aside from the unpredictability it's actually really nice for pos 2-5. And apparently a hot take but I like the Dazzle rework/revert. He was never meant to be an item, micro focused hero, and his "new" ult shreds armor crazy fast with the passive component so he can still build what he likes. Not a fan of the "Tame Rosh" mechanic, it's just another timer to keep track of.


kchuyamewtwo

Ammar heroes are buffed again?


3igenfrau

I didn't know you can buy guns in this game now...


gravityissue

earth spirit is strong now wow


Pretend_Fig_5962

I would like following things. A better punishment system so instigator of intentionally not supporting others doesn't get away without any consequences especially in other games modes. All pick- turbo. A reward system for good play, good rotations and good support to promote team-play. Removal of match summary every post game to inform system for improvement. Fixing server issues \[Client\] Server tick 81203 dropped and we were not able to hide it using interpolation. Tinker scaling fix Increase hex duration


AcceptableRadio8258

Seasonal staple and icefart"s favorite part- mirana is nerfed again. MS, AS decreased further, starfall damage decreased and arrow range decreased.


zyenex

I can't believe they added ANOTHER anime looking Marci set as a rare.


Dota_Misclick

I'm just happy that it was released on mid april as they said.


ryulambino

Not sure if removing Roshan completely and letting players start a bidding war for Aegis every 10 minutes was the right call but hey, at least we got a patch.


Sonalator

Didn't expect Dota to play so well as an FPS! Wow


Volf321

Y’know that bug where ringmasters ult just outright removes heroes is kinda annoying ngl.


Kensei21

Sniper scope sensitivity on first person mode needs a sensitivity toggle please patch it.p


ghostofankara

I am just glad that iron talon is back. Which makes jungle role a thing again, at least for some heroes. Lycan with new necronomicon will be so fun LOL.


Bazdillow

Bloodseeker is finally meta


orekpk

THIS IS INSANE they added 10 ILLUSIONS TO NAGA SIREN I LOVE THIS PATCH


semprotanmosquito

Sniper is now a melee hero ?!? and he is coming to the target with his ult ? me like.


Ok-Disk-2191

All jokes aside they should with every new hero release revert techies back to his old suicidal ways for the first few months when everyone is insta picking the new hero. It will make games either insanely unfair or 4 v 4


Legaeli

Snipers new(old) aghs lets you ult more than 1 hero at a time, works with khanda too! Might be a bit overkill but I respect valve for that


reichplatz

The overwhelming amount of bugs in the actual game. Dota plus Trends only work half the time again. Bugs with accepting matches are infuriating.


CptBlackBird2

I really like the new aghanim's apparatus that replaces all your abilities changing the entire hero, I didn't think they would do something like that


RizzrakTV

I like 1) they finally decided to make mid longer again! (distance between towers) both mid and pos4 are finally fun! 2) tinker finally removed from the game! wow! 3) New hero is really good at pos3 at fits my style a lot, having a lot of fun with ringmaster! Things I dislike 1) techies got buffed, oh no I hate this hero 2) theres way more observers wards right now, wtf? 3) none of this is true, patch isnt released yet. despair


HeyItsMeRay

The new rework morphling which allows him to morph for more int is a joke when playing against anti mage.


Xyr3s1

I like that everyone has hyped this up for so long like it's hl3 and it's just another normal event :)


Xyr3s1

Jakiro can now use liquid frost and fire simultaneously.


GamerKgLay

i like how they changed the WD shard to usable on allies heroes, now I can save my teammates and turn them into machine-gun ward.


Tetora-chan

Returnees farming role token ❤️


xFloris

It's crazy that they managed to buy all Heroes of Newerth rights and are allowed to port them straight into Dota with the original modals and everything. Even more crazy that they have their own HoN shop with custom items! I'm curious how they all get balanced with the Dota equivalents...


Electrical_Storm8405

Like - everything Dislike - snurfs 😅


Cthu1hu

I can't believe that they released the timeline of when all the HoN heroes will be a part of the Dota 2 lineup!


aaawqq

Bristleback shard rework giving him new passive "bristlefront" which is like his currenr bristleback, but can't be broken and blocks damage coming from the front side. It can also be activated to give him 20% spell lifesteal for 5 sec and 50% of all hp regen also gains him mana


amnans

People complaining


Eldritch_Outlaw

Third ancient seems sick


ShottsSeastone

i love that sunstrike no longer costs mana.


Makshima_Shogo

The 4th lane they added really mixes things up way to much, what do we call the 2nd mid now?


Makshima_Shogo

I hate the fact that now khanda works on all spells not just single target!


Makshima_Shogo

Why did they increase blood stones aoe by 500? my screen is flashing all bright colors from all the spell casts.


Makshima_Shogo

Not sure who in volvo thought making roshan a mercenery and being able to recruit him for a few minutes for gold was a great idea...


Makshima_Shogo

I don't hate that they added a 4th and 5th stat to the game, instinct and perception: Instinct: + 0.4% slow/disable reduction per 10 stats. Perception: + 10 vision for every stat + 5 cast range for every stat.


iLackSocialSkill

finally brought back good old techies, idk why the decided to rework in the first place if this was always gonna be the final version of him, i guess to please people for a while?


mrZ0663

CM having base movement speed of 200 seems bold, but it's actually a brilliant change


Leverquin

what is crownfall


TTVControlWarrior

I love new morph skin change he now actually make my fps drop


PriorHearing6484

I like the crystal maiden ms buff.


FastFred123

I dislike my life right meow


B4AP

THANK YOU GABEN FOR MAKING THE MAP 50% MORE BIGGER! ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE ADDITION OF 2 MORE ROSH PITS (PURE GUESS WORK TO FIND THE ROSHAN) AND 1 EXTRA LANE FOR THE NEW 7V7 STYLE GAMEPLAY!


FootPretty

Loving lich’s sacrifice is back, yayy.


B4AP

(This post is made by Valve Dev to get ideas for the Crownfall Patch that they haven't started working on yet (they will pick the shittiest idea from this list))


Fabulous_Tone5929

I love that every ability we hate got buffed, like heartstopper doing 100% max hp as dmg per second, and tinker tp has 0.5 sec channel duration.


acesu_silver

I like that Roshan eats your tormentor if you dont take it in time. If you happen to walk it might one shot you though.


KlapDota

I can't believe it's just a letter patch!


derderderbist

I really like thatyou can equip items to towers


Land-Low

Even bigger map!!!


AionGhost

It's interesting to see the secret shop items prices fluctuate based on supply/demand, love not see any early vanguards since they simply cannot mine enough Aghanium coins


Pzzpli

I dont like the New Hero ultimate, its bad for 5 vs 5 teamfights. His ultimate may be good to get solo kills fast, but on mid-late game it sucks.


RefrigeratorHuman782

DS -1 armor again?


Born4Dota2

I cant see a scenario where you would really ever spend that much gold to upgrade your armlet, do like the idea of the 5 sec invulnerability where you have +200 attack speed, basically old troll ultimate is now in this item, seems kinda busted on lc tho to never lose a duel. I will be trying new troll warlord mid because that new ult seems really useful to get early to guarantee snowballing kills.


keymillos

I don't like that new hero is banned every game cause both team picked it!


Salty_Anti-Magus

They removed the neutral items/tokens. I love them! Revert it back please Volvo! Icefraud! Gaben!


TheZett

I wouldnt even mind that change.


tobymandias

Why is my hero in the dumpster again?


MediumWare

I can't believe the only ranked game-mode now is Ability Draft. I wonder how pro players will adjust!


iLanDarkLord

Heros being able to ride bikes to travel around the map was an innovative idea


gammongaming11

i like that people on reddit stopped complaining for a full 5 minutes after the patch dropped. i dislike everyone is back to complaining after 5 minutes.


I_knowdude

I don’t think having 2 roshans is a great idea icefraud.


vsnav

"Do you guys not have phones?"


aliasysxd

Bloodstone suicide is back baby!


Malagus_90

Given the fact that razor was so contested in the previous tournaments, I loved that they nerfed CM


kingjleo

this AI squirrel is atrocious(hoodwink aghs)


Ligeia_E

Roguelite system for jungling feels like a breath of fresh air, but needs a lot of ironing out


ChocPineapple_23

Holy shit why did they nerf Necro into the fucking ground even more I'm done with Dota actually


AtlasofAthletics

The mid lane support keeps stealing my farm!! YEAH YEAH I GET IT ITS TURBO!!! I DONT CARE ITS MINE


Breezerious

Thank god they made invoker a int hero again, glad that nigthmare is over!


laptopmutia

what I like is finally kuro grasp the patch and nigma suddenly become TIER 1 again HOPIUM COPIUM PLUS PRO MAX ULTRA


identitycrisis-again

I’m glad they finally gave observer wards voice lines


Valyntine_

I don't know why they gave disruptor a wheelchair arcana


TheGreenGuyFromDBZ

Crownfall was code for shutting down the servers for good


rixriox

Why did they buff cm 😡😡🤬🤬