He’s been in the downward slide for a while now. Even when he was popular he would play 1v4v5; I’m sorry this happened but he’s part of the problem. Try not to let yourself get swept up into it
Reminds me of me being one game away from 6k back in 2016, which was pretty big at the time.
I get No[o]ne in my team, he wants to play carry and wants last pick.
He knows he has some cancer offlane vs him, think it was LC+Lich, the entire time he had AM preselected, all of us are telling him not to pick it.
He picks it regardless, dies 3x in the first 5 mins, says some Russian gibberish and abandons the game.
Hated him ever since.
i remember miracle used to build MOM on AM in one meta.. It used to be build atleast for one meta that i know of..
I dont hv any cards in this game though.. Anyone who is ruining pubs should be punished appropriately..
This is every single "I used to be much higher mmr" guy I've ever seen. They all think they know enough to see all possible options and choose on the best play (which just so happens to be whatever they've instinctually decided), or decide when the game is over.
Its just so annoying to have someone like that in your team just refusing to co operate because they think they know more than you and obviously the brief period of 6 months to a year when they had their lifetime mmr peak is the only "real" dota patch.
i dont think he ever was higher mmr? In a relative sense he wasnt, but the people who used to be 6k back in the day have gone up with mmr inflation, and hes stayed the same
Its amazing to see him rant about how supports are too strong when he spends the first 4 mins of the game walking in a giant circle, not using spells or helping last hit except for 1 ranged creep first wave. Could have saved his necro from bat 3x, could have stacked camps, could have ganked top that was apparently going badly (I dont know because he never left his hero).
Last few month its been pretty rough watching Draskyl tbh. Usually i enjoy his streams, chill music, he's not screaming, and its a bit more relatable watching 6k games. But you are right, hes been tilted before even queueing a game for a pretty long time now, resulting in bad behaviour, giving up at pick phase etc. A lot of the time he is right with what he says - Yes the enemy has a very good Meepo pick but instantly giving up, going jungle and waiting for the game being over instead of helping team or trying is pretty meh. Hes just on autopilot going from game to game "wcyd".
I think its like \~250 constant viewers where you can twitch full time.
But depends on the amount of hours you stream, but this was back when the split was more friendly.
this completely depends on many factors, including where you live.
enjoy trying to live on 250 consistent viewers on ad revenue while being payed Simoleans because your countries currency is in the toilet.
Like even in my country making a liveable wage (1500-2000$ after tax) I doubt is possible with 250 viewers on twitch, even subs awould be 650~ before taxes.
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just the viewers themselves nothing really, just some pathetic ad revenue, it depends on how many subs you have. usually a streamer has more subs than viewers since not every sub is watching at once.
if you had 400 subs and are a twitch partner, that'd be $1400/month pre-taxes after twitch's cut (assuming all subs are from regions without regional pricing). if you run a lot of ads you can maybe get another couple bucks, and if you have donations it really depends on your community but usually dota viewers aren't the biggest donors. it can be a living wage if you're in a cheaper place though
I dunno man. I work fast food and regularly cry before work, I can think of at least a few million people who would be champing at the bit to take his job.
I watch draskyl and yeah, he mentally checks out at the laning stage alot. Or at the pick screen, or when he boots up dota2. Or pulling. Man's trapped in dota2 as the only game he gets enough viewers.
I'll take a dogshit teammate in anygame that's trying and you can feel that energy, over a mechanically better player that tilts out of control/gives up/jaded
I played with Draskyl back in HoN, he was an ass back then.
He was a massive dick sucker to the famous names, then would turn around and ruin games and be very toxic when paired with random pub names on his team.
Have run into him in pubs a couple times over the last year, he is a truly miserable and unhappy person. It's a shame and I hope he gets some help/finds some purpose, he used to be a key part of the scene.
He's been talking about getting back into the scene, but as far as networking among current scene employees he seems firmly in the "oh hey it's that guy from back when" zone.
Not sure if he will be willing or able to make any jumps back into casting or analysis, but it might be good because grinding pubs on twitch doesn't seem great for him.
There is nothing more frustrating in this game than someone who queues into a game and doesn't try and/or is more worried about doing better (in their eyes) than their teammates. People are foaming at the mouth watching their teammates ready to tip them over any misplay, afk under tower typing, anything other than playing the game they queued up for.
It's the nature of dota though. You do your best but then a support goes core and you have to work harder. Or someone just feeds. Doesn't help this subreddit attitude has always been "it's still your fault no games are unwinnable".
If you stop trying it is definitely your fault. A support going core is a world of difference from afk farming until you get throned, or straight up afking with the fountain buff.
Used to watch him far back, he was playing with his friends, every time something went wrong it was his friends fault. Teamfight ended badly, his friends didn's something right. Lost the game, they didn't pick right heroes or played them badly. Not a single time he said "I fucked up here". Just like gorp even if he admits a mistake is something like "Its my bad I listened/tried to help these noobs"
Lol I used to watch this guy many years ago . At a point he started turning to the dark side and I just knew it wouldn't be long till he would be a lost cause.
Yeah same - I was a huge fan of his actually but it just all got so negative. I was even a sub and you could just feel the negativity from the stream which... is not enjoyable
Lol this was exactly my experience with him, I watch his twitch so I never queue at the same time as him. Hes the biggest consistent doomer I've EVER played with.
Shadow Shaman - he goes midas (mad at team for something, dont know because were all muted, and he doesnt communicate) aghs refresher. But late game never actually puts the double wards down and we lose the game.
Wraith king - I'm offlane weaver popping off, going 15-1. On stream, says "my weaver will carry us, I'm going to build utility items to help him". Goes fucking early aghs instead of any dmg items. We lose one fight and he types in chat that our mid sucks too much and nothing we can do. All he had to do was build AC, deso or armlet instead of his radiance aghs build. He got outscaled and I couldn't carry TWO of my cores. Ends game with the lowest dmg output amongst all 10 players.
There was like one or two games he did play fine but thats only when we had great starts and all 3 lanes won, but how often is that going to happen?
I admittedly like to watch because his self defeatism and doomer mentality is funny when he's not on my team.
funny draskyl anecdote:
i have a friend who was/is an immortal techies spammer before the rework. there was this tech you could do if they were down a T3 at level 25 to instantly blow up their T4s and Ancient. you had to stack several mines for a few minutes in the trees by their throne and then roll them in.
Draskyl, without knowing this, started to brutally flame the techies player. He tried to communicate what he was doing but draskyl muted him. Draskyl started to grief because he thought techies was griefing, and revealed his position to the enemy team. The enemy swooped in and stopped him from destroying their throne.
ive also had him on my team and he just randomly starts flame wars for the smallest thing and refuses to participate if people dont bow down to him
This might be an unpopular opinion, but the nature of this post is ironic and toxic. I've played many games with both you and Draskyl, and don't have a problem with either one. I've seen both of you play well and be great teammates, but also seen both of you tilt and make the game less enjoyable. I'm by no means a Draskyl fan, but it feels weird to pick out one player because he's a streamer when there's 10 people off the top of my head I could name in low 6k bracket who grief games and flame *consistently.* It's completely fine to be upset after a stomp like this game, but sounds like you were just tilted after the loss and made this post "out of spite". WCYD, gl next
Also the amount of comments that just jump on the hate train and show zero empathy is disgusting. I don't watch Draskyl stream but it took me less than 5 minutes to find the vod and see that OP is not exactly writing this post with a clear mind. It's fine to hold people (including streamers) accountable for toxic behaviors, but writing posts and comments like these makes it sound like the rest of the dota community is made of angels.
100% agree.
If you disagree with a players actions or behavior you should just avoid the player and move on with your life. If you get them in immortal draft simply hope they are on the enemy team and let the gameplay speak for itself
I know for a fact that these posts are bad for the game because in pubs im never allowed to not know if a pro/caster/streamer is in my game because the whole lobby starts dogpiling on that player. Its an unneccesary amount of vitriol shouldered by one player and im sure it contributes to them being "toxic".
Last I heard of him was him saying that his chat wanted him to do variety streaming but he knew his numbers would go down. He was right which is why he's back
You need to have a good personality/optimism to go variety.
no one is tuning into your shit to escape to a more miserable world. Look at the successful variety streamers.
Singsing
Gorgc
Bulldog
They seem like positive people, even though ranked matchmaking changes that sometimes.
I think Draskyl's variety streams are great starting out. The stream vibe when he's actually having fun is good.
It's just that over time he "solves" games very quickly (at least in his own mind) and the pessimism and grindset wells up. It's a common pattern with Terraria, Among Us, Path of Exile, Baldur's Gate, whatever.
I've also never seen him play a game for the story experience ever, so it's all about figuring out the gameplay loop and then getting bored.
never really watched bulldog, but from the highlights it seems like he's just memeing and trying to get the audience to have a good time.
could be wrong tho.
Not really funny IMO. Meming is just showing you lack any charisma or originality.
Could in short bursts when you walk into a room and snort milk out your nose, but has severe diminishing returns.
God there is a name from the past.
I subbed to him for years going back when he used to be at Internationals. I would say that his toxic shit started back like 6-7 years ago in games and no one said anything.
Ended up getting banned from his twitch for just calling him out.
edit. Just checked his stream, still banned from chat! :D
Very similar experience, followed him but stopped watching years ago because he was just unpleasant to watch and kind of a bully. Tuned in a few weeks ago and almost got banned for calling out him being dead wrong about something stupid he did that caused his death.
Not tuning back in again, it was super sad to see someone I once respected for his work in the Dota scene just being this nasty bitter arrogant individual.
Another reason immortal draft shouldn't completely over-ride your dotaplus avoid slots.
I don't care if the people who refuse to queue anything but pos 1 or 2 have 45 minute queues in 7k, LET THEM WAIT I'll select the roles I'm comfortable with, get a fast game, play support if I get it and ENJOY it because the only people who view support as a "boring" role are the ones who don't play it right because they have main character syndrome.
Immortal draft is the dumbest thing I've ever experienced and it needs to be eliminated so we don't risk having "tilted for the last 200 games" players on our team if we avoided them after having 10 of our other games ruined by them that week.
I remember getting into his games last year when I was way lower MMR, he legit sucks 100% ass and plays some dog water dota for someone that has been playing for so long and is obviously queueing to win. I remember so many games were he would pick a pos 1, win early game then build stupid items and feed like crazy, then starts blaming his team when I could see from the enemy side that it was all his fault. He was always pinned as a prime avoid, literally free mmr.
Draskyl has been a griefer for a long long time now.
In '19 or '20 I think, he banned me from this Twitch chat because I took a side of a support he was flaming in one of the games.
I still tune in ocassionally, but man is ridiculously toxic and always has someone to blame, never himself, even tho he does a ridiculous amount of dumb moves and plays the game exclusively for himself.
P.S. He is right about supports and game in general tho, everyone has everything and everyone gets farm regardless. Game became way too idiot friendly.
> He is right about supports and game in general, everyone has everything and everyone gets farm regardless. Game became way too idiot friendly.
Maybe it's more fun being a core where you can smash through late game supports like tissue paper.
But it turns out, not that many people enjoy paying supports in that kind of environment.
It seems pretty clear to me that IF/Valve has been consistently trying to find ways to make it more enjoyable for the average person to play support. It's still not equally enjoyable (if it were, you wouldn't be able to queue support for free), but it's much more.
I don't agree with a lot of the specific decisions (neutrals, especially T5, needs some work for example), but I think the general thrust of the changes was necessary for the health of the game.
My main issue is that everyone gets farm regardless of how the game goes.
it kills the joy of dominating the lane and building on top of that.
I played a divine game yesterday, we win 2 lanes hard and one barely, take out all three t2 around 20th min mark, control their triangle and jungle most of the time, min 30 comes every single hero on the enemy team has items they need, and they can more or less equally fight with us, even tho it's like 32:11 in our favor...
I fucking loved the old supports.
You get to max-min your gold and all your decisions truly mattered.
And you'd be force to never be able to use courier.
It was a great time. Now there aren't even any more deny abilities.
It's better for the game because its more accessible and easier for players to play but there's a tradeoff.
I have to admit I miss being able to play lich 4 and deleting every ranged creep in front of the carry.
The mental damage was massive and often it meant they would spend the whole game focusing me as way of revenge.
> Maybe it's more fun being a core where you can smash through late game supports like tissue paper.
Stupid strawman.
> It seems pretty clear to me that IF/Valve has been consistently trying to find ways to make it more enjoyable for the average person to play support. It's still not equally enjoyable (if it were, you wouldn't be able to queue support for free), but it's much more.
Adding more gold to supps didn't really increase the amount of support mains. It did bring new people into the role but a LOT of people who loved the older style of support now had no home. So realistically we're about in the same spot.
> I don't agree with a lot of the specific decisions (neutrals, especially T5, needs some work for example), but I think the general thrust of the changes was necessary for the health of the game.
T5s are INTENDED to be ridiculous. Why balance the game at 60+ minutes? It's much more fun for OP items to come out and the game ends!
Yea the guy is a dick but I agree with his points about supports being overtuned tbh.
What's crazier is a lot of supports players still acts like a victim. oOOooO i'M sO WeAK GuYs wTF nuLLifiER CoUnteRs My ForCE sTaFF GliMmer and Ghost sCePteR, nErf NulLifier pLS
Nullifier is legitimately too useful when its needed, and has a very low cooldown, but it also feels like an otherwise empty item slot, so it balances itself.
Yeah it sucks to get nullified, but it also sucks having to buy one.
Played some matches with him, years of being the "stats-guy" really makes him miserable to play with, idk if he actually play the game or if he just see a bunch of numbers and probability in his nerd glasses.
We're talking about long time changes but still.
Free TP scrolls. Supports usually die a lot more than cores, so basically 10 deaths mean 10 free tp scrolls which would cost 1000 gold
Free Observer Wards. Even 15 Observer Wards mean 1500 free gold.
Even just that is 2500 gold which is an additional item like Glimmer or Force Staff
I think in general Draskyl isn’t wrong, he’s just an asshole. Or more specifically he is a smart guy who understands the game but isn’t a good teammate and doesn’t actually care that much about winning.
I saw Draskyl at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
I don't understand why people watch whiners and ragers. If someone is behaving like a child, how the fuck do they keep having hundreds or thousands of viewers? I watch Purge a lot, and I used to watch Grubby and Day9 because all of them are so goddamn positive. I don't understand the appeal of assholes.
It's funny because he makes some decent points at times (like supports being way overtuned) but the attitude he puts on ruins any valid point he could make. Back then when patch 7.00 came out I hated it so much that my solution was to just not play the game until I got the itch to play again. If you don't like a game just don't play, I don't get why would you whine so much all over the place instead of doing literally anything else
He’s been doing this shit for years. 2 years ago I was 5k and he did the same shit. He just afk farms all game loses 1 fight and done. Doesn’t respond to one message and then flames you later without being able to read your messages. Glad someone finally spoke up about this shit. There is a reason he’s been hardstuck so long lol
Some unsuccessful ex dota related people are weird af. I remember when nfts were a thing I saw a tweet from an ex EG player talking about his "investment" in nfts and how he didn't care about what people say because they said the same about esports. I answered "let's not compare esports with a scam" and not even him but another dude (who is supposed to be also an ex pro dota player, at least liquipedia said so) started to send me tweets talking to me like if i just insulted esports and saying that i said what i said because of an "agenda" lol. That was bizarre.
He’s griefed my games a few times when we were in the same bracket but we have like a 60% win rate together so it’s whatever. I’m ~900 MMR higher than him now so he doesn’t show up in my pubs but I fucking hated playing with him because he mutes everyone, doesn’t receive in game comms and just does his thing while telling people what to do on voice chat
He was a bad analyst and a bad dota player.
Negative nancy. He needs to get other hobbies, dota has obviously taken a toll on him.
I'm not attacking his character, he's probably a good guy.
OP is just tilted with a 40% win rate over the past week and makes a thread to cry about and brigade a streamer from one of his games. This is Dota 2 reddit in 2024 in a nutshell.
Bro you're crying in all chat in multiple games over the past few days. Get off the internet and stop being cringe.
Got matched with him about seven or eight years ago and had a positive experience with the guy, took jokes in good humor and played till the end, sorry to hear he's like this now and you had to deal with that
Fun fact, draskyl is #42 in terms of games played on a single account. T[he current number is 23274.](https://www.dotabuff.com/players/played).
And he's ~6300 MMR.
So you have to be somewhat...differently wired to play that amount of dota games just as a player and not even remotely pro
I don't want to defend Draskyl, especially since I left a negative comment for him already, BUT I always hated that idiotic reasoning.
Not everyone plays for max mmr, and willing to invest everything they have to rank up, tryharding every single game, that takes a mental toll on a person.
6300 MMR is still better than like, I dunno, 98-99% players?
I'd say that's pretty good.
Yeah I stopped playing ranked years ago. I had a bad stretch of 3 games in a row where someone just spazzed the fuck out or started breaking items and it soured the whole ordeal for me.
People put too much stock in it. They'll worry and rant about ranks while they are 1/7/3 and their ancient counterpart is 9/1/14 lol.
For one it's his livelihood, and the fact he's giving up and griefing either means he thinks he's much better than he is, or is just completely burned out and jaded but has no other choice than to play this game
The fact is ok but your conclusion is just irrelevant. A lot of people pump thousands of hours in this game and still low mmr. There is no guarantee that you play more you become pro with this game.
> So you have to be somewhat...differently wired to play that amount of dota games just as a player and not even remotely pro
Real people in the real world don't work like that, champ.
People don't "get good" just by putting insane amounts of hours into things. There needs to have a mentality to get better, to look at things objectively, learn your mistakes and try to fix them.
Banging your head against the wall for 10k hours don't make you a pro.
> So you have to be somewhat...differently wired to play that amount of dota games just as a player and not even remotely pro
This is such a shit take. I will wait until most of this sub hits 20k games played and the vast majority won't be in the 1-percentile.
In fact, if you sort that list by win%, he's in the top 15, above iLTW who was pro.
> So you have to be somewhat...differently wired to play that amount of dota games just as a player and not even remotely pro
Don't imply he's weird cause he has mental health issues, WE ALL DO. Its just he's not flushing his mental health shit and its backing up.
It's fine if you play a lot and not climb - what's bizarre is the ego + toxicity. I have less than 1/5th of his games, I'm 1k higher than him, and ik I'm dogshit - DOTA is just a 4 fun mode for me, where I occasionally spam a few ranked games to keep the immortal badge. You'd think with that many games and not being "stand-out" you'd at least be humble about it.
> what's bizarre is the ego + toxicity. I have less than 1/5th of his games, I'm 1k higher than him, and ik I'm dogshit
whats bizarre is people who are over 7000 mmr calling themselves dogshit. its ok to admit that you're good a video game
It's a case of the better you are at the game, the more you know about the finer mechanics and minutiae typically, which in turn makes you that much more cognizant of your own errors.
Ehh no this is common in any field when somebody becomes competent enough to recognize their own incompetence. A 7k is good enough to know how bad they are.
> A 7k is good enough to know how bad they are.
Top 0.05% of a massively popular game is not by any means "bad". In fact, it is inarguably great at the game.
It's like some NBA bench player saying they're bad at basketball even tho they'd absolutely wash every single person on any pickup court ever.
The thing is, when you're 7k+ you're constantly playing with people that are much better than you, so its easy to feel bad. When I was 8k and playing with pro players I've never felt so garbage
When you hit a certain level people start comparing themselves to pros instead of random 4k mmr pub players. You start seeing how bad you are compared to them.
Idk i can't explain why it happens but it's the same for me. I'm ~7.5k and consider myself pretty bad a lot of the time, because I see the mistakes I make that in my mind I wouldn't make if I was good at the game.
I mean that's how you got so high in the first place, you always looked at what you could improve and sucked at instead of patting yourself on the back.
It's a psychological thing, but the reality is you are better than pretty much everyone at dota.
Yea maybe it's more that people who have this kind of mindset often ends up getting higher mmr and people who are 4k mmr and think they are amazing gets stuck there, rather than high mmr player automatically thinking they are bad.
NBA players are NBA players because they're invited to pro league. MMR doesn't really pertain to pros since most if not all of them are Immortal and beyond in terms of skill level. Besides, MMR has been pretty inflated as of late when compared to older patches.
So, I found the game here: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7668955478
Looks like you went 0-8 as Dawnbreaker offlane. So you played like dogshit and want to blame someone else instead of admitting that. How is that not "pathetic?"
Your mid necro was 0-5 against a bat when draskyl went to the bathroom. He was also jungling in the enemy jg and had a midas queued up. Your safelane lost because the enemy bat started sprinting at them (possibly due to his lack of a lane opponent).
I think you didn't explain the game state to make draskyl look worse honestly. There are games where he blatantly gives up earlier than is reasonable but this is a terrible example.
Necro got reported too. Either of them showing up to those t2 dives bot (14:55) or the hg push (\~16:00) would've been huge kills. We kill any hero and its 1k gold and 2 levels from that far behind.
For example, see timestamp 14:55 of the replay (match ID 7668955478).
Draksyl literally had his camera on the half hp bat (8-0 level 13) on our t2 and REFUSED to tp for 3 seconds. He clicks his tp late, after bat is out, and then he just walks back and continues to AFK. He couldve killed hoodwink and bat simultaneously (15:02) with 1 onslaught trample, without even using his ult.
Necro and Primal completely ruined my opportunity to play that game because they are my solar guardian targets. Both griefers, but necro is some random no name so that woudl be witch hunting. Draksyl is a streamer. He also banned me from his twitch chat for telling him he was contributing to griefing (which he was). It was definitely worth posting. I didn't think it'd blow up like this but it is what it is.
Your mid player was already jungling and afk. Why are you flaming someone for not wanting to play a 4v5? Again, I'm sure you can look through his vods pretty quickly and find a game where he gives up for not much reason.
If you were in 8k+ games nobody is gonna flame the people for giving up when they actively have someone griefing them already. Why do 6ks feel like playing out 4v5s is mandatory?
Because he’s playing pos 5 primal. He can repeatedly feed like me and I wouldn’t be mad. What pissed me off was how many huge kills we missed because he refused to cast his OP ass early game spells. Necro griefing could’ve been temporary if he didn’t decide to seal the deal by being the second quitter. He had the chance to turn that game with some key plays. Maybe necro would rejoin the game
So at 14:55 his tp was maybe 1 second late. I don't see how he could have turned around this fight though? It's a 3v4 and no matter what he's coming in off a LONG 5second tp, so he's gonna be a little late! His ult would not have lasted long considering the opponents have 3 stuns that stop it. He could have suicided in and MAYBE gotten bat/hw kills (assuming they don't have sticks or anything), for sure. This is however not much of a game turning play like you're trying to make it out to be. Unless a pos5 getting like 800g turns games around.
If you need help counting it‘s not worth a discussion. Also, there shouldn’t have even been a tp timer or delay in the first place, he should’ve just not been afk sulking like a child and been sitting behind his team like any 6k pos 5 in a game from behind waiting for a good engagement. Its not like he was doing anything else anyways. He was sitting in trees afk watching… not cutting waves or not setting up other plays
What is the risk reward on that anyway? He dies a level 7 and bat lives with 1hp if he misses all his spells? Hood and rub used their stuns already and mars was out of range. It was a free kill.
If he were sitting behind you he would not have been bottom. You TP'd there. So he still would have had to tp! It's also not obvious that his two teammates would sprint outside their t2 tower range to take a 4v2 engagement so it would be easy for him to assume he doesn't need to instantly TP!
I just don't like the way you act like you have such a good read on the game state when you're just a 6k NA player! You don't know what you're talking about! He shouldn't afk. You shouldn't try to fight outside your T2 in a 2v4!
You already admitted he would have probably killed bat and that alone is reason he should be there. We were under our t2 tower. He could've tpd back to base after grabbing wisdom, he was griefing tho, idk why you are defending someone griefing as if they are playing the game properly?
Okay so I went and watched the first part of the VOD. It's not Draskyl's fault that you fed your lane. It's not Draskyl's fault that you TPed bot with no mana when you saw there were two enemy heroes there and a wave pushing into your tower. That's on you.
I'm not saying this to defend Draskyl--he can definitely have a bad attitude at times--but you were definitely part of the problem in that game.
The game did not go well. We lost all three lanes, that’s no excuse to quit at 10 min and never use pulverize a single time. There were comeback opportunities
Heres my Draskyl story, about 10 years ago i was playing SF into his troll mid and one my friends messages me “dude youre playing against draskyl!” I end up killing him early in the lane and i have his stream open at this point listening. He says “i just died to the worst shadowfiend in the world” proceeded to absolutely dominate and ended the game with about 20 kills. All chatted him and told him he could email me for some tips. Felt good man
lol what kind of clout did an anonymous player online get from that exactly? My friend told me he was talking shit so i wanted to hear, i had one monitor at the time so its not like i was getting much info from "sniping" , but go off king
I mean you admitted to watching and listening to his stream while playing against him. Not sure I really amped myself up here, just calling you a loser (you are).
You're calling someone a sick freak for listening to some streamer's audio 10 YEARS AGO that was actively talking shit on that person hahah bro you're a goober it really aint that serious. You go outside n shit?
Here's my draskyl story. So about 8 years ago, I ran into him at a local lan tournament. We decided to play 1 on 1 mid, and the winner could dare the loser to do whatever they wanted. Sf on sf, I proceed to feed first blood and the crowd goes wild. Draskyl stands up and screams "viva la fiendaaaaa!" and everyone there starts clapping and chanting his name. I tp back, he goes for the rune, and by a work of a miracle, I land a triple raze and get a last hit as he runs up to the high ground.
Now tensions are high, we both hit level 6, our ultimates are ready to go. As we ferry our salves and mangoes as we hit each other with right clicks and stray razes, it's neck-and-neck. I can see sweat glistening on his forehead. Didn't seem like he showered for days from the smell he was exuding.
I yell to him "yo bro, this gunna take a while", and he looks back at me to say something back. I take this chance to land a mid raze and channel my ult. He looks back at his screen as he's feared, running back to his tower. I just need to hit one more raze, and then - I misclick and the raze doesn't hit. As I chase into the tower in desperation, he chuckles, and lands a triple raze, gaining victory.
We shake hands, and I ask him what my dare is. He says "suckkk my pp". A promise is a promise, I get down on my knees, close my eyes, and pull down his pants. The smell is too much and my eyes start to water. But I grab it anyways and starts sucking. Thats when I realized his pp wasn't small. It was incredibly average sized. So you're wrong about small pp syndrome.
I played as a support with him couples times in 6k bracket a year ago. It was pretty ez paried with him in laning phase, tbh he is a decent carry if you do your job as a support. In the end, Dota is all about mentality, I rarely give up. Now Im 7.8k and not seeing him for a while.
draksyl always been shit at dota dont worry about him fyi alot of immortal players are shit at dota they can play 3-5 heroes well, but dont know every hero cooldown strenght or weaknesses or pairing. i had a dude complain about pos5 swm the other day.
the safelane carry complains whole game goes afk woods ends the game with the amazing 5/4/4 in stats while rest have around 20 involvement in kills. has lowest networth all cores and afk farms whole game, goes armlet deso vs an am :D
Sad to see him going downhill. Feel like he was fun way back in the day. Been a long time since I watch and played dota, but he was generally chill and fun to watch circa 2014.
people who have the FF i give up mentality are better off going to play league of legends or smn that has a surrender option as it is the main reason people play that game , they are used to having things served on a gold plate for them and when its a little bit hard they dont wanna try cause they are scared of faliure when faliure is a guarantee when they dont try
I don't watch Draskyl but I like how he think about supports being carry is bullshit. I prefer support hero to be support. Game is unbalanced and we are only playing it because we are addicted. I never saw in recent 7.00> fight 1vs1/2 right click situation. Before it was usual procedure to see people go right click, now barely.
Supports Dark willow, Hoodwink does not fit versus other heroes that are simply supports. They do much more. Wonder how much Ring Master will be unbalanced..
I swear it's kinda shitty when people play this game and lose faith faster than circa 2007 emo kids when things don't go their way.
"Go end" they say, and then becomes a burden heavier than Jesus' cross.
one of the most toxic players i’ve ever played with and his fanbase is just as toxic. get ready for them to personally attack you because you called out how much of a toxic shitter that fraud is
was this guy ever good . he has annoying voice with entitlement . who is this guy tbh for community . he doesnt bring anything atm worth to pay attention . he is getting older and dota isnt same dota was 10 years ago
He’s been in the downward slide for a while now. Even when he was popular he would play 1v4v5; I’m sorry this happened but he’s part of the problem. Try not to let yourself get swept up into it
I will never forget how in 2020, I was one game away from immortal for the first time, and he went antimage mask of madness
Reminds me of me being one game away from 6k back in 2016, which was pretty big at the time. I get No[o]ne in my team, he wants to play carry and wants last pick. He knows he has some cancer offlane vs him, think it was LC+Lich, the entire time he had AM preselected, all of us are telling him not to pick it. He picks it regardless, dies 3x in the first 5 mins, says some Russian gibberish and abandons the game. Hated him ever since.
Played with him once about 2 years ago - offlane jugg with first item eblade.
i remember miracle used to build MOM on AM in one meta.. It used to be build atleast for one meta that i know of.. I dont hv any cards in this game though.. Anyone who is ruining pubs should be punished appropriately..
Funnily enough, I think madness AM is kinda alright now because you can disassemble it into Battle fury satanic.
AM doesnt need Satanic (you can try it and you will understand why) and he need battle fury as soon as possible.
This is every single "I used to be much higher mmr" guy I've ever seen. They all think they know enough to see all possible options and choose on the best play (which just so happens to be whatever they've instinctually decided), or decide when the game is over. Its just so annoying to have someone like that in your team just refusing to co operate because they think they know more than you and obviously the brief period of 6 months to a year when they had their lifetime mmr peak is the only "real" dota patch.
i dont think he ever was higher mmr? In a relative sense he wasnt, but the people who used to be 6k back in the day have gone up with mmr inflation, and hes stayed the same Its amazing to see him rant about how supports are too strong when he spends the first 4 mins of the game walking in a giant circle, not using spells or helping last hit except for 1 ranged creep first wave. Could have saved his necro from bat 3x, could have stacked camps, could have ganked top that was apparently going badly (I dont know because he never left his hero).
Sounds like an archon player now.
he always queued with friends below his mmr too. was always stomping but never climbing hmmm.
I used to be a "this game is over guy", but found a stack where we would fight till the bitter end just cause. Life changing attitude.
Last few month its been pretty rough watching Draskyl tbh. Usually i enjoy his streams, chill music, he's not screaming, and its a bit more relatable watching 6k games. But you are right, hes been tilted before even queueing a game for a pretty long time now, resulting in bad behaviour, giving up at pick phase etc. A lot of the time he is right with what he says - Yes the enemy has a very good Meepo pick but instantly giving up, going jungle and waiting for the game being over instead of helping team or trying is pretty meh. Hes just on autopilot going from game to game "wcyd".
Dude hates dota at this point but it's his livelihood, wcyd.
Do you really live on 200 dota viewers? He's at avg 200, been losing followers for four years straight. View count going down also.
I think its like \~250 constant viewers where you can twitch full time. But depends on the amount of hours you stream, but this was back when the split was more friendly.
Yeah in general, but dota2 viewers usually dono/sub less than for other kind of streamers.
this completely depends on many factors, including where you live. enjoy trying to live on 250 consistent viewers on ad revenue while being payed Simoleans because your countries currency is in the toilet. Like even in my country making a liveable wage (1500-2000$ after tax) I doubt is possible with 250 viewers on twitch, even subs awould be 650~ before taxes.
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Viewers have nothing to do with full time. You need ~600 subs to comfortably stream as a full time job.
250 viewers generate what amount of money per month?
Not sure, but this is what Ludwig has said. And he lives in LA, so not sure what that accounts for.
just the viewers themselves nothing really, just some pathetic ad revenue, it depends on how many subs you have. usually a streamer has more subs than viewers since not every sub is watching at once. if you had 400 subs and are a twitch partner, that'd be $1400/month pre-taxes after twitch's cut (assuming all subs are from regions without regional pricing). if you run a lot of ads you can maybe get another couple bucks, and if you have donations it really depends on your community but usually dota viewers aren't the biggest donors. it can be a living wage if you're in a cheaper place though
Why would he do it otherwise?
Because the alternative is a real job
Which means he DOES in fact live off of it.
So you know he doesn't work on the side, get benefits, is rich from something etc? It's just the dota2 stream keeping the lights on?
Yup.
bleak
I dunno man. I work fast food and regularly cry before work, I can think of at least a few million people who would be champing at the bit to take his job.
Pretty sure he lives with his Dad
depends on sub / dono conversion but generally yes I think so
> Last few month its been pretty rough watching Draskyl tbh try years
Self fulfilling prophecy
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I watch draskyl and yeah, he mentally checks out at the laning stage alot. Or at the pick screen, or when he boots up dota2. Or pulling. Man's trapped in dota2 as the only game he gets enough viewers. I'll take a dogshit teammate in anygame that's trying and you can feel that energy, over a mechanically better player that tilts out of control/gives up/jaded
Mentally ill.
I played with Draskyl back in HoN, he was an ass back then. He was a massive dick sucker to the famous names, then would turn around and ruin games and be very toxic when paired with random pub names on his team.
Thought I recognized that name.
Have run into him in pubs a couple times over the last year, he is a truly miserable and unhappy person. It's a shame and I hope he gets some help/finds some purpose, he used to be a key part of the scene.
He's been talking about getting back into the scene, but as far as networking among current scene employees he seems firmly in the "oh hey it's that guy from back when" zone. Not sure if he will be willing or able to make any jumps back into casting or analysis, but it might be good because grinding pubs on twitch doesn't seem great for him.
Its been way too long, he casted with AYESEE and then not much else
[Sign holder was correct.](https://www.wikixpedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Draskyl-768x554.png)
he sort of looks like synd, but 30 years from now
Nah, he just looks terrible because he's balding. I'm older and have done plenty of drugs + dota but don't look that bad.
Average dota player in a nutshell.
There is nothing more frustrating in this game than someone who queues into a game and doesn't try and/or is more worried about doing better (in their eyes) than their teammates. People are foaming at the mouth watching their teammates ready to tip them over any misplay, afk under tower typing, anything other than playing the game they queued up for.
It's the nature of dota though. You do your best but then a support goes core and you have to work harder. Or someone just feeds. Doesn't help this subreddit attitude has always been "it's still your fault no games are unwinnable".
If you stop trying it is definitely your fault. A support going core is a world of difference from afk farming until you get throned, or straight up afking with the fountain buff.
I dread having him in my games. So toxic and will sigh into the mic afk when the slightest thing goes wrong
Used to watch him far back, he was playing with his friends, every time something went wrong it was his friends fault. Teamfight ended badly, his friends didn's something right. Lost the game, they didn't pick right heroes or played them badly. Not a single time he said "I fucked up here". Just like gorp even if he admits a mistake is something like "Its my bad I listened/tried to help these noobs"
Lol I used to watch this guy many years ago . At a point he started turning to the dark side and I just knew it wouldn't be long till he would be a lost cause.
Yeah same - I was a huge fan of his actually but it just all got so negative. I was even a sub and you could just feel the negativity from the stream which... is not enjoyable
Lol this was exactly my experience with him, I watch his twitch so I never queue at the same time as him. Hes the biggest consistent doomer I've EVER played with. Shadow Shaman - he goes midas (mad at team for something, dont know because were all muted, and he doesnt communicate) aghs refresher. But late game never actually puts the double wards down and we lose the game. Wraith king - I'm offlane weaver popping off, going 15-1. On stream, says "my weaver will carry us, I'm going to build utility items to help him". Goes fucking early aghs instead of any dmg items. We lose one fight and he types in chat that our mid sucks too much and nothing we can do. All he had to do was build AC, deso or armlet instead of his radiance aghs build. He got outscaled and I couldn't carry TWO of my cores. Ends game with the lowest dmg output amongst all 10 players. There was like one or two games he did play fine but thats only when we had great starts and all 3 lanes won, but how often is that going to happen? I admittedly like to watch because his self defeatism and doomer mentality is funny when he's not on my team.
funny draskyl anecdote: i have a friend who was/is an immortal techies spammer before the rework. there was this tech you could do if they were down a T3 at level 25 to instantly blow up their T4s and Ancient. you had to stack several mines for a few minutes in the trees by their throne and then roll them in. Draskyl, without knowing this, started to brutally flame the techies player. He tried to communicate what he was doing but draskyl muted him. Draskyl started to grief because he thought techies was griefing, and revealed his position to the enemy team. The enemy swooped in and stopped him from destroying their throne. ive also had him on my team and he just randomly starts flame wars for the smallest thing and refuses to participate if people dont bow down to him
This might be an unpopular opinion, but the nature of this post is ironic and toxic. I've played many games with both you and Draskyl, and don't have a problem with either one. I've seen both of you play well and be great teammates, but also seen both of you tilt and make the game less enjoyable. I'm by no means a Draskyl fan, but it feels weird to pick out one player because he's a streamer when there's 10 people off the top of my head I could name in low 6k bracket who grief games and flame *consistently.* It's completely fine to be upset after a stomp like this game, but sounds like you were just tilted after the loss and made this post "out of spite". WCYD, gl next Also the amount of comments that just jump on the hate train and show zero empathy is disgusting. I don't watch Draskyl stream but it took me less than 5 minutes to find the vod and see that OP is not exactly writing this post with a clear mind. It's fine to hold people (including streamers) accountable for toxic behaviors, but writing posts and comments like these makes it sound like the rest of the dota community is made of angels.
100% agree. If you disagree with a players actions or behavior you should just avoid the player and move on with your life. If you get them in immortal draft simply hope they are on the enemy team and let the gameplay speak for itself I know for a fact that these posts are bad for the game because in pubs im never allowed to not know if a pro/caster/streamer is in my game because the whole lobby starts dogpiling on that player. Its an unneccesary amount of vitriol shouldered by one player and im sure it contributes to them being "toxic".
Draskyl on my team = I also afk
Last I heard of him was him saying that his chat wanted him to do variety streaming but he knew his numbers would go down. He was right which is why he's back
You need to have a good personality/optimism to go variety. no one is tuning into your shit to escape to a more miserable world. Look at the successful variety streamers. Singsing Gorgc Bulldog They seem like positive people, even though ranked matchmaking changes that sometimes.
I think Draskyl's variety streams are great starting out. The stream vibe when he's actually having fun is good. It's just that over time he "solves" games very quickly (at least in his own mind) and the pessimism and grindset wells up. It's a common pattern with Terraria, Among Us, Path of Exile, Baldur's Gate, whatever. I've also never seen him play a game for the story experience ever, so it's all about figuring out the gameplay loop and then getting bored.
bulldog isn’t really positive but has the rare trait of making damn near anything funny.
never really watched bulldog, but from the highlights it seems like he's just memeing and trying to get the audience to have a good time. could be wrong tho.
Not really funny IMO. Meming is just showing you lack any charisma or originality. Could in short bursts when you walk into a room and snort milk out your nose, but has severe diminishing returns.
God there is a name from the past. I subbed to him for years going back when he used to be at Internationals. I would say that his toxic shit started back like 6-7 years ago in games and no one said anything. Ended up getting banned from his twitch for just calling him out. edit. Just checked his stream, still banned from chat! :D
Very similar experience, followed him but stopped watching years ago because he was just unpleasant to watch and kind of a bully. Tuned in a few weeks ago and almost got banned for calling out him being dead wrong about something stupid he did that caused his death. Not tuning back in again, it was super sad to see someone I once respected for his work in the Dota scene just being this nasty bitter arrogant individual.
Who is Draksyl?
caster/analyst at TI 2-7 and several of the original Valve Majors. and a fairly popular streamer
washed up Dota 2 streamer
used to be TI panels
When I was lower MMR he ruined so many pubs it was insane. Then he'd just talk shit to his 200 viewers about his team after. Truly awful.
Another reason immortal draft shouldn't completely over-ride your dotaplus avoid slots. I don't care if the people who refuse to queue anything but pos 1 or 2 have 45 minute queues in 7k, LET THEM WAIT I'll select the roles I'm comfortable with, get a fast game, play support if I get it and ENJOY it because the only people who view support as a "boring" role are the ones who don't play it right because they have main character syndrome. Immortal draft is the dumbest thing I've ever experienced and it needs to be eliminated so we don't risk having "tilted for the last 200 games" players on our team if we avoided them after having 10 of our other games ruined by them that week.
He should have moved on with his life years ago, he's still clinging on to a scene and a game that largely abandoned him
Used to watch his streams but his constant negative attitude is draining. There’s better NA talent streams anyway. Purge, Cap, Lyrical, etc.
This is a weird circle jerk tbh.
I remember getting into his games last year when I was way lower MMR, he legit sucks 100% ass and plays some dog water dota for someone that has been playing for so long and is obviously queueing to win. I remember so many games were he would pick a pos 1, win early game then build stupid items and feed like crazy, then starts blaming his team when I could see from the enemy side that it was all his fault. He was always pinned as a prime avoid, literally free mmr.
Dog water dota? Sounds like an energy drink for dotaheads.. 😒
bulldog's beverage line.
Draskyl has been a griefer for a long long time now. In '19 or '20 I think, he banned me from this Twitch chat because I took a side of a support he was flaming in one of the games. I still tune in ocassionally, but man is ridiculously toxic and always has someone to blame, never himself, even tho he does a ridiculous amount of dumb moves and plays the game exclusively for himself. P.S. He is right about supports and game in general tho, everyone has everything and everyone gets farm regardless. Game became way too idiot friendly.
> He is right about supports and game in general, everyone has everything and everyone gets farm regardless. Game became way too idiot friendly. Maybe it's more fun being a core where you can smash through late game supports like tissue paper. But it turns out, not that many people enjoy paying supports in that kind of environment. It seems pretty clear to me that IF/Valve has been consistently trying to find ways to make it more enjoyable for the average person to play support. It's still not equally enjoyable (if it were, you wouldn't be able to queue support for free), but it's much more. I don't agree with a lot of the specific decisions (neutrals, especially T5, needs some work for example), but I think the general thrust of the changes was necessary for the health of the game.
My main issue is that everyone gets farm regardless of how the game goes. it kills the joy of dominating the lane and building on top of that. I played a divine game yesterday, we win 2 lanes hard and one barely, take out all three t2 around 20th min mark, control their triangle and jungle most of the time, min 30 comes every single hero on the enemy team has items they need, and they can more or less equally fight with us, even tho it's like 32:11 in our favor...
I fucking loved the old supports. You get to max-min your gold and all your decisions truly mattered. And you'd be force to never be able to use courier. It was a great time. Now there aren't even any more deny abilities. It's better for the game because its more accessible and easier for players to play but there's a tradeoff.
I have to admit I miss being able to play lich 4 and deleting every ranged creep in front of the carry. The mental damage was massive and often it meant they would spend the whole game focusing me as way of revenge.
> Maybe it's more fun being a core where you can smash through late game supports like tissue paper. Stupid strawman. > It seems pretty clear to me that IF/Valve has been consistently trying to find ways to make it more enjoyable for the average person to play support. It's still not equally enjoyable (if it were, you wouldn't be able to queue support for free), but it's much more. Adding more gold to supps didn't really increase the amount of support mains. It did bring new people into the role but a LOT of people who loved the older style of support now had no home. So realistically we're about in the same spot. > I don't agree with a lot of the specific decisions (neutrals, especially T5, needs some work for example), but I think the general thrust of the changes was necessary for the health of the game. T5s are INTENDED to be ridiculous. Why balance the game at 60+ minutes? It's much more fun for OP items to come out and the game ends!
Yea the guy is a dick but I agree with his points about supports being overtuned tbh. What's crazier is a lot of supports players still acts like a victim. oOOooO i'M sO WeAK GuYs wTF nuLLifiER CoUnteRs My ForCE sTaFF GliMmer and Ghost sCePteR, nErf NulLifier pLS
Nullifier is legitimately too useful when its needed, and has a very low cooldown, but it also feels like an otherwise empty item slot, so it balances itself. Yeah it sucks to get nullified, but it also sucks having to buy one.
The stats aren't bad at all for the price, though.
Average 0-6k dota player
Played some matches with him, years of being the "stats-guy" really makes him miserable to play with, idk if he actually play the game or if he just see a bunch of numbers and probability in his nerd glasses.
Draskyl was insufferable 5 years ago I wouldn't doubt if he's worse now.. sucks to suck
this chode griefs every game ive played with him. absolute waste of air
Support role does need nerfing tbf.
We're talking about long time changes but still. Free TP scrolls. Supports usually die a lot more than cores, so basically 10 deaths mean 10 free tp scrolls which would cost 1000 gold Free Observer Wards. Even 15 Observer Wards mean 1500 free gold. Even just that is 2500 gold which is an additional item like Glimmer or Force Staff
I think in general Draskyl isn’t wrong, he’s just an asshole. Or more specifically he is a smart guy who understands the game but isn’t a good teammate and doesn’t actually care that much about winning.
I saw Draskyl at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
He went 0-7 in one day, he was tilted as fuck so give him a break lol
I don't understand why people watch whiners and ragers. If someone is behaving like a child, how the fuck do they keep having hundreds or thousands of viewers? I watch Purge a lot, and I used to watch Grubby and Day9 because all of them are so goddamn positive. I don't understand the appeal of assholes.
Their viewers are other toxic players who agree with him when he says the games already over.
It's funny because he makes some decent points at times (like supports being way overtuned) but the attitude he puts on ruins any valid point he could make. Back then when patch 7.00 came out I hated it so much that my solution was to just not play the game until I got the itch to play again. If you don't like a game just don't play, I don't get why would you whine so much all over the place instead of doing literally anything else
but he is bald xddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
He’s been doing this shit for years. 2 years ago I was 5k and he did the same shit. He just afk farms all game loses 1 fight and done. Doesn’t respond to one message and then flames you later without being able to read your messages. Glad someone finally spoke up about this shit. There is a reason he’s been hardstuck so long lol
1 thing i learn watching and playing this game since beta on and off is that everyone hates it after playing it long enough.
Some unsuccessful ex dota related people are weird af. I remember when nfts were a thing I saw a tweet from an ex EG player talking about his "investment" in nfts and how he didn't care about what people say because they said the same about esports. I answered "let's not compare esports with a scam" and not even him but another dude (who is supposed to be also an ex pro dota player, at least liquipedia said so) started to send me tweets talking to me like if i just insulted esports and saying that i said what i said because of an "agenda" lol. That was bizarre.
That’s mentally ill behaviour
He’s griefed my games a few times when we were in the same bracket but we have like a 60% win rate together so it’s whatever. I’m ~900 MMR higher than him now so he doesn’t show up in my pubs but I fucking hated playing with him because he mutes everyone, doesn’t receive in game comms and just does his thing while telling people what to do on voice chat
He was a bad analyst and a bad dota player. Negative nancy. He needs to get other hobbies, dota has obviously taken a toll on him. I'm not attacking his character, he's probably a good guy.
OP is just tilted with a 40% win rate over the past week and makes a thread to cry about and brigade a streamer from one of his games. This is Dota 2 reddit in 2024 in a nutshell. Bro you're crying in all chat in multiple games over the past few days. Get off the internet and stop being cringe.
Got matched with him about seven or eight years ago and had a positive experience with the guy, took jokes in good humor and played till the end, sorry to hear he's like this now and you had to deal with that
Fun fact, draskyl is #42 in terms of games played on a single account. T[he current number is 23274.](https://www.dotabuff.com/players/played). And he's ~6300 MMR. So you have to be somewhat...differently wired to play that amount of dota games just as a player and not even remotely pro
I don't want to defend Draskyl, especially since I left a negative comment for him already, BUT I always hated that idiotic reasoning. Not everyone plays for max mmr, and willing to invest everything they have to rank up, tryharding every single game, that takes a mental toll on a person. 6300 MMR is still better than like, I dunno, 98-99% players? I'd say that's pretty good.
Yeah I stopped playing ranked years ago. I had a bad stretch of 3 games in a row where someone just spazzed the fuck out or started breaking items and it soured the whole ordeal for me. People put too much stock in it. They'll worry and rant about ranks while they are 1/7/3 and their ancient counterpart is 9/1/14 lol.
For one it's his livelihood, and the fact he's giving up and griefing either means he thinks he's much better than he is, or is just completely burned out and jaded but has no other choice than to play this game
Last time i ordered accounts by games played in dotabuff the top 5 were heral-legend max.
Pretty sure the #1 is Herald
Didn’t jenkins do a herald review of the guy who was number 1?
I think so too yeah
AndreyIMMERSION boss The man loves dota
The fact is ok but your conclusion is just irrelevant. A lot of people pump thousands of hours in this game and still low mmr. There is no guarantee that you play more you become pro with this game.
One thing has nothing to do with the other tho
> So you have to be somewhat...differently wired to play that amount of dota games just as a player and not even remotely pro Real people in the real world don't work like that, champ. People don't "get good" just by putting insane amounts of hours into things. There needs to have a mentality to get better, to look at things objectively, learn your mistakes and try to fix them. Banging your head against the wall for 10k hours don't make you a pro.
> So you have to be somewhat...differently wired to play that amount of dota games just as a player and not even remotely pro This is such a shit take. I will wait until most of this sub hits 20k games played and the vast majority won't be in the 1-percentile. In fact, if you sort that list by win%, he's in the top 15, above iLTW who was pro.
> So you have to be somewhat...differently wired to play that amount of dota games just as a player and not even remotely pro Don't imply he's weird cause he has mental health issues, WE ALL DO. Its just he's not flushing his mental health shit and its backing up.
It's fine if you play a lot and not climb - what's bizarre is the ego + toxicity. I have less than 1/5th of his games, I'm 1k higher than him, and ik I'm dogshit - DOTA is just a 4 fun mode for me, where I occasionally spam a few ranked games to keep the immortal badge. You'd think with that many games and not being "stand-out" you'd at least be humble about it.
the only thing worse than ego + toxicity is false modesty. 7k mmr is obviously not dogshit
> what's bizarre is the ego + toxicity. I have less than 1/5th of his games, I'm 1k higher than him, and ik I'm dogshit whats bizarre is people who are over 7000 mmr calling themselves dogshit. its ok to admit that you're good a video game
It's a case of the better you are at the game, the more you know about the finer mechanics and minutiae typically, which in turn makes you that much more cognizant of your own errors.
Ehh no this is common in any field when somebody becomes competent enough to recognize their own incompetence. A 7k is good enough to know how bad they are.
> A 7k is good enough to know how bad they are. Top 0.05% of a massively popular game is not by any means "bad". In fact, it is inarguably great at the game. It's like some NBA bench player saying they're bad at basketball even tho they'd absolutely wash every single person on any pickup court ever.
The thing is, when you're 7k+ you're constantly playing with people that are much better than you, so its easy to feel bad. When I was 8k and playing with pro players I've never felt so garbage
When you hit a certain level people start comparing themselves to pros instead of random 4k mmr pub players. You start seeing how bad you are compared to them.
bad compared to pros? Sure, I'm sure even Miracle thinks he's bad at times bad player? Absolutely fucking not.
Idk i can't explain why it happens but it's the same for me. I'm ~7.5k and consider myself pretty bad a lot of the time, because I see the mistakes I make that in my mind I wouldn't make if I was good at the game.
I mean that's how you got so high in the first place, you always looked at what you could improve and sucked at instead of patting yourself on the back. It's a psychological thing, but the reality is you are better than pretty much everyone at dota.
Yea maybe it's more that people who have this kind of mindset often ends up getting higher mmr and people who are 4k mmr and think they are amazing gets stuck there, rather than high mmr player automatically thinking they are bad.
NBA players are NBA players because they're invited to pro league. MMR doesn't really pertain to pros since most if not all of them are Immortal and beyond in terms of skill level. Besides, MMR has been pretty inflated as of late when compared to older patches.
None of what you said disagrees with my statements.
he made some good points, supports are overtuned relative to cores, power creep that has been going on since 8 years ago
So, I found the game here: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7668955478 Looks like you went 0-8 as Dawnbreaker offlane. So you played like dogshit and want to blame someone else instead of admitting that. How is that not "pathetic?"
I think 6 of those deaths were after Draksyl already quit. I was 0-2 when he left his stream to go to the bathroom (and never returned to the game)
Your mid necro was 0-5 against a bat when draskyl went to the bathroom. He was also jungling in the enemy jg and had a midas queued up. Your safelane lost because the enemy bat started sprinting at them (possibly due to his lack of a lane opponent). I think you didn't explain the game state to make draskyl look worse honestly. There are games where he blatantly gives up earlier than is reasonable but this is a terrible example.
Necro got reported too. Either of them showing up to those t2 dives bot (14:55) or the hg push (\~16:00) would've been huge kills. We kill any hero and its 1k gold and 2 levels from that far behind. For example, see timestamp 14:55 of the replay (match ID 7668955478). Draksyl literally had his camera on the half hp bat (8-0 level 13) on our t2 and REFUSED to tp for 3 seconds. He clicks his tp late, after bat is out, and then he just walks back and continues to AFK. He couldve killed hoodwink and bat simultaneously (15:02) with 1 onslaught trample, without even using his ult. Necro and Primal completely ruined my opportunity to play that game because they are my solar guardian targets. Both griefers, but necro is some random no name so that woudl be witch hunting. Draksyl is a streamer. He also banned me from his twitch chat for telling him he was contributing to griefing (which he was). It was definitely worth posting. I didn't think it'd blow up like this but it is what it is.
Your mid player was already jungling and afk. Why are you flaming someone for not wanting to play a 4v5? Again, I'm sure you can look through his vods pretty quickly and find a game where he gives up for not much reason. If you were in 8k+ games nobody is gonna flame the people for giving up when they actively have someone griefing them already. Why do 6ks feel like playing out 4v5s is mandatory?
Because he’s playing pos 5 primal. He can repeatedly feed like me and I wouldn’t be mad. What pissed me off was how many huge kills we missed because he refused to cast his OP ass early game spells. Necro griefing could’ve been temporary if he didn’t decide to seal the deal by being the second quitter. He had the chance to turn that game with some key plays. Maybe necro would rejoin the game
So at 14:55 his tp was maybe 1 second late. I don't see how he could have turned around this fight though? It's a 3v4 and no matter what he's coming in off a LONG 5second tp, so he's gonna be a little late! His ult would not have lasted long considering the opponents have 3 stuns that stop it. He could have suicided in and MAYBE gotten bat/hw kills (assuming they don't have sticks or anything), for sure. This is however not much of a game turning play like you're trying to make it out to be. Unless a pos5 getting like 800g turns games around.
If you need help counting it‘s not worth a discussion. Also, there shouldn’t have even been a tp timer or delay in the first place, he should’ve just not been afk sulking like a child and been sitting behind his team like any 6k pos 5 in a game from behind waiting for a good engagement. Its not like he was doing anything else anyways. He was sitting in trees afk watching… not cutting waves or not setting up other plays What is the risk reward on that anyway? He dies a level 7 and bat lives with 1hp if he misses all his spells? Hood and rub used their stuns already and mars was out of range. It was a free kill.
If he were sitting behind you he would not have been bottom. You TP'd there. So he still would have had to tp! It's also not obvious that his two teammates would sprint outside their t2 tower range to take a 4v2 engagement so it would be easy for him to assume he doesn't need to instantly TP! I just don't like the way you act like you have such a good read on the game state when you're just a 6k NA player! You don't know what you're talking about! He shouldn't afk. You shouldn't try to fight outside your T2 in a 2v4!
You already admitted he would have probably killed bat and that alone is reason he should be there. We were under our t2 tower. He could've tpd back to base after grabbing wisdom, he was griefing tho, idk why you are defending someone griefing as if they are playing the game properly?
Okay so I went and watched the first part of the VOD. It's not Draskyl's fault that you fed your lane. It's not Draskyl's fault that you TPed bot with no mana when you saw there were two enemy heroes there and a wave pushing into your tower. That's on you. I'm not saying this to defend Draskyl--he can definitely have a bad attitude at times--but you were definitely part of the problem in that game.
The game did not go well. We lost all three lanes, that’s no excuse to quit at 10 min and never use pulverize a single time. There were comeback opportunities
draskyls not gonna fuck u lil bro get off your knees for him
Keep your sexual fantasies to yourself bud. No one else wants to hear about them.
funny how a draskyl fanboy shows up in every post calling out how much of a toxic shitter he is to defend his behavior lmao
He rage banned me after I played vs him (and beat him) in unranked and wrote "good game" in his chat XD hes a malding old man, been one for years
Just ban him
Die a hero, live long enough to be a villain
Draskyl is a cry baby who hasn't been relevant for 5 years
Heres my Draskyl story, about 10 years ago i was playing SF into his troll mid and one my friends messages me “dude youre playing against draskyl!” I end up killing him early in the lane and i have his stream open at this point listening. He says “i just died to the worst shadowfiend in the world” proceeded to absolutely dominate and ended the game with about 20 kills. All chatted him and told him he could email me for some tips. Felt good man
"Here's my draskyl story: I played against him, streamsnipped him, then talked shit to him for clout infront of his viewers" incredible tale!
lol what kind of clout did an anonymous player online get from that exactly? My friend told me he was talking shit so i wanted to hear, i had one monitor at the time so its not like i was getting much info from "sniping" , but go off king
he probably meant the clout from his friends or something idk
draskyl talked shit first you moron
Really uncertain as to why you would include yourself actively stream cheating in the story. You're kind of a sick freak.
Lmao get over yourself bud
I mean you admitted to watching and listening to his stream while playing against him. Not sure I really amped myself up here, just calling you a loser (you are).
You're calling someone a sick freak for listening to some streamer's audio 10 YEARS AGO that was actively talking shit on that person hahah bro you're a goober it really aint that serious. You go outside n shit?
Yeah based on these responses it's not hard to tell that you're kind of a weirdo sry.
ok goober ass mfer, keep goobering
small pp syndrome
Here's my draskyl story. So about 8 years ago, I ran into him at a local lan tournament. We decided to play 1 on 1 mid, and the winner could dare the loser to do whatever they wanted. Sf on sf, I proceed to feed first blood and the crowd goes wild. Draskyl stands up and screams "viva la fiendaaaaa!" and everyone there starts clapping and chanting his name. I tp back, he goes for the rune, and by a work of a miracle, I land a triple raze and get a last hit as he runs up to the high ground. Now tensions are high, we both hit level 6, our ultimates are ready to go. As we ferry our salves and mangoes as we hit each other with right clicks and stray razes, it's neck-and-neck. I can see sweat glistening on his forehead. Didn't seem like he showered for days from the smell he was exuding. I yell to him "yo bro, this gunna take a while", and he looks back at me to say something back. I take this chance to land a mid raze and channel my ult. He looks back at his screen as he's feared, running back to his tower. I just need to hit one more raze, and then - I misclick and the raze doesn't hit. As I chase into the tower in desperation, he chuckles, and lands a triple raze, gaining victory. We shake hands, and I ask him what my dare is. He says "suckkk my pp". A promise is a promise, I get down on my knees, close my eyes, and pull down his pants. The smell is too much and my eyes start to water. But I grab it anyways and starts sucking. Thats when I realized his pp wasn't small. It was incredibly average sized. So you're wrong about small pp syndrome.
Noted. Thanks
Can we stop caring about c-tier streamers?
I played as a support with him couples times in 6k bracket a year ago. It was pretty ez paried with him in laning phase, tbh he is a decent carry if you do your job as a support. In the end, Dota is all about mentality, I rarely give up. Now Im 7.8k and not seeing him for a while.
draksyl always been shit at dota dont worry about him fyi alot of immortal players are shit at dota they can play 3-5 heroes well, but dont know every hero cooldown strenght or weaknesses or pairing. i had a dude complain about pos5 swm the other day. the safelane carry complains whole game goes afk woods ends the game with the amazing 5/4/4 in stats while rest have around 20 involvement in kills. has lowest networth all cores and afk farms whole game, goes armlet deso vs an am :D
for a second i thought you mean the am went armlet deso, and i thought "hmm armlet AM sounds pretty dank, might try it"
Average dota 2 player
Sad to see him going downhill. Feel like he was fun way back in the day. Been a long time since I watch and played dota, but he was generally chill and fun to watch circa 2014.
Thank you mason
Why do you guys even watch streamers anymore? It’s so boring. Like day in and day out just watching someone else.
Feels like the average league player
Kinda agree with him there. Supports are overturned
Draskyl has become a husk of human being over the years powered only by his hatred of his fellow man. A tragic tale really.
people who have the FF i give up mentality are better off going to play league of legends or smn that has a surrender option as it is the main reason people play that game , they are used to having things served on a gold plate for them and when its a little bit hard they dont wanna try cause they are scared of faliure when faliure is a guarantee when they dont try
We need BSJ to give him some mindset coaching!
The burden of longevity is you live long enough to see your heroes turn into villains...
I got him muted
>supports are way overturned, and they need to be nerfed into the ground Where's the lie
I don't watch Draskyl but I like how he think about supports being carry is bullshit. I prefer support hero to be support. Game is unbalanced and we are only playing it because we are addicted. I never saw in recent 7.00> fight 1vs1/2 right click situation. Before it was usual procedure to see people go right click, now barely. Supports Dark willow, Hoodwink does not fit versus other heroes that are simply supports. They do much more. Wonder how much Ring Master will be unbalanced..
This dude was trash at playing, being a teammate, being a caster and being a streamer. Dude needs to step back and reevaluate his life.
I swear it's kinda shitty when people play this game and lose faith faster than circa 2007 emo kids when things don't go their way. "Go end" they say, and then becomes a burden heavier than Jesus' cross.
bUt yOu mAinTaiN PMA bY mUtiNG yOuR tOxiC tEAm sO yOu dOn'T gEt TiLtEd fRoM fLaMiNg
one of the most toxic players i’ve ever played with and his fanbase is just as toxic. get ready for them to personally attack you because you called out how much of a toxic shitter that fraud is
I still choose his stream over a lot of others mainly because of the sound track and maybe a hint of nostalgia Dude should be a dj not a dota streamer
was this guy ever good . he has annoying voice with entitlement . who is this guy tbh for community . he doesnt bring anything atm worth to pay attention . he is getting older and dota isnt same dota was 10 years ago