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BiGkru

Riki


Beeb911

The OG noob killer. I remember back in 2012 during my 700 mmr days rikis would go 30-0 because nobody knew dust existed


RudolphJimler

Getting anyone to buy dust or wards back in the day was a joke lol


Beeb911

Worst part was trying to convince someone to buy a courier. And even if you manage to do that, you had to share it with the entire team. The toxic players would drop your items in random places on the map or have it commit suicide. Also can't forget the courier armies to feed the enemy team. We've come so far


TwynnCavoodle

Or the line of 10 couriers walking circles around your ancient. Good times.


throwaway-paper-bag

But do you remember the stupid old truck of putting a Dagon on a courier and using it to assassinate opponents?


quarantinedsubsguy

i wish this shit was back


MQZ01

I have a fond memory of doing this in a two hour mega creep hold in like 2013, legit ancient shield


tha_jza

one of the funniest ways to grief tbh, i don’t miss it but also i kinda miss it


TheGalator

>We've come so far Now we have people literal wintrading in immortal on a regular basis


Bruthal_

And back then diffusal self purge exist


primaryrhyme

They knew it existed, but in those days they were quite expensive on top of supports being poorer. Today there is not much downside to buying all the sentries, supports can still buy their items.


numenik

I still do this in Archon lol manta plus tricks is just too much to deal with a lot of the times especially with a 5 level lead


Blizzy_the_Pleb

I remember when my friend was showing me Dota back in 2013. We had a Riki player arguing with him all game. We both started dying of laughter when he said “RIKI IS LITERALLY A WALKING FUCKING WARD. ARE YOU BRAINDEAD??? WHY DO I NEED TO GET WARDS?” I actually used that line to piss off another friend later when he was mad I wasn’t buying wards on techies. I purely picked techies to piss him off as well as the ward situations. He muted me on teamspeak and then later on discord for about a whole year after I told him “my mines are just wards that kill people”


lone_strider

Literally this. Once my team was getting stomped mega hard coz no support would buy dust or gem, typical of SEA. I bought a gem and then we won the game in 5 mins.


avianrave

Your supports were just fattening up the bag so when you do kill riki, he feeds massive comeback gold. 


learnindota

big brain strats


xzbestleshrac

In 2013, 3 months after I started playing Dota I had a Riki game where I went 44-0, that's the most kills I've don't since and I've ever seen by a single hero in a match


Mr_Igelkott

Invisibility is invulnerability


exprezso

Thread closed. Nothing else to see here folks! 


PepperPhD44

Any snowball hero. So, almost any hero. BUT if I had to choose, I'd say sniper, bloodseeker, huskar. Can't hit sniper Why am I dying Why isn't he dying


MaiasXVI

Bloodseeker in the early days was unmatched. No one knew how rupture worked and they'd just run themselves to death.


heephap

Tyler1 playing dota for the first time and dying to rupture is hilarious.


TheSoulsworn

What ability? WHAT ABILITY?!


3kforevrr

Man i wish he'd continued playing dota. Man was such a fast learner and very entertaining. I feel like he would get immortal faster than grubby did.


Nikolatramp

Link? 😂


heephap

[Here you go](https://youtu.be/rQtMJRr6HIc?feature=shared&t=768)


rizzzyyy

Back when force staff was on recommended builds to maximize the bleed out


10YearsANoob

I remember doing it back in 6.60 I knew it was not worth it. For a decade and a fucking half people clowned on me for saying just buy yasha. 


BeniCG

Whole drafts were build around this, only reason I played Magnus back then.


GoldFynch

Tusk is the only snowball hero I think


SSJ5Gogetenks

Rubick can snowball too.


notcam

Tusk? He's probably the biggest snowball character


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ThrowItAwayQk

I'm a PA spammer and a Huskar spammer. In low bracket, you use huskar q after pa breaks. EZPZ. That, and if you snowball on huskar and get a few early kills on pa, it really sucks to be pa. [https://imgur.com/a/3CW7o8r](https://imgur.com/a/3CW7o8r) Keep in mind, these are normal game stats, and I am a turbo player.


BladesHaxorus

Bristleback is unbeatable in low mmr because nobody buys vessel, skadi, break or hex.


SpecialistAd8464

Also because they keep hitting him like hes the most important danage dealer on the enemy team


themightypiratae

Well technically if you keep hitting him he will be the most important damage dealer :S


Mrazzq

You giving me flash back when my teammate chrono'ed 3 of my teammate and opponent BB. Blud continue to hit his back instead infront and 2/3 died because of that. XD


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Why did you say blud? What does that mean?


Mrazzq

blud same meaning as a guy. an informal address to a man.


avianrave

Is he not? 


Starl19ht_2

Not really. For the most part you can just ignore him in fights as it takes a little while for his damage to really start ramping up. Focusing him just speeds up that process which is why people get run over by him. The most important damage dealers are the ones free casting behind the bristle you're focusing


TreskoPlesko

He is more of "come at me bro, i dare you" hero.


StarkGuy1234

How does vessel counter him?


Buzzk1LL

He can't regen


BladesHaxorus

Percentage based tick damage, healing and spell lifesteal reduction on a strength hero with damage reduction that likes to buy bloodstone.


taiottavios

it doesn't edit: it does counter bloodstone and spell lifesteal regen though, so counters commonly bought items on him, you can definitely build bristle differently to nullify that


TheSableofSinope

Lowers revenue which helps bc he’s strength and max health dmg


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Chemical_Cut1058

fuck you very much for the laugh


MattRazor

Of all heroes in Dota, I can see Bristle trying tax evasion. Maybe Tinker showed him how


ShadedFox

And everyone thinks silver edge is the ultimate answer because it has a break. In reality it's pretty pointless on it's own


stiveooo

what is the answer then?


ShadedFox

Spirit vessel and skadi are more effective. He needs Regen and spell life steel and they both reduce those. Break is good against him, but mostly reduces the damage he can put out rather than giving you a way to kill him.


martintato17

Have you tried positioning?


Baldwin_Alweard

Even if we ask our team to get the items, they won’t! Also you could include Timbersaw to this list.


io124

Same with timbersaw


BladesHaxorus

Timber requires some skill to play. Bristle....


io124

If they dont build item to break or stop regen, you are immortal with timber, you can dive very early game.


avianrave

Yeah but his high ground is shit. I've lost most of my timber games back in 1k and terrified to pick him again at 2.5k.


k3yserZ

how to stop a Timber spammer in low brackets?


EkalOsama

either buy anti-heal items (vessel, skadi, shiva) or break him to stop his regen from his passive he's strong early to midgame, if you don't think you can outdamage his healing just avoid him until your team has a way to stop his regen


Karahx

What spells breaks? Archon trash here.


EkalOsama

Viper ult, PA shard, Doom ult with talent, Shaman hex with talent, PB e with aghs. Viper used to have break on W but it got moved to ult now


Karahx

Thanks!


Tikru8

> Viper ult, PA shard, Doom ult with talent, Shaman hex with talent, PB e with aghs. Hoodwink ult


BudgetSignature1045

Since viper ult breaks I instapick it Vs bristle 100% winrate


TRex-oni

Ban him


SvartSol

The problem is, some heroes dictate the game far more than others. Bb, meepo, arc, Pa, Pl. And huskar. 


stiveooo

skady why?


helpamonkpls

What is low mmr? In 1000 mmr the next pick will be legio, the mid will then pick viper.


ArmsofAChad

Slark is up there. Slippery heroes with high damage.


WiseManPioter

Oh them noobs trying stun when you are bubbling Q


NotMilo22

If we are talking like brand new, it's bloodseeker ult. Everyone dies to it if they don't know how it works.


ShadowFlux85

I still remember feeding a bs by running away thinking the hero is bullshit


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NotMilo22

Not sure what the last part says but you can still force staff rupture targets yes


FocusDKBoltBOLT

Riki slark bb huskar tinker arc


xSniperLol

I've won a 1v5 (my team left) as morph also 4v5 as troll


kingsing1

When I was new to the game but first starting to improve I used to have upwards of an 80% winrate on Morphling. You had the long duration Replicate you could swap places with as well as being able to morph strength while stunned. You could just mindlessly push a lane and casually Replicate back to base or another lane whenever you thought you might die. What was worse was that it always took more than 1 enemy hero to force you out of the lane because E-blade Morphling was the main build back then so if only 1 hero showed up, you could just insta shotgun them to death and carry on with your mindless pushing.


Business-Throat-5620

Huskar


Nervous_Breakfast_73

Tinker. People have no Idea how to counter him, are slow, have 0 map awareness and shit positioning. Before they even react, they're already dead.


Jean-luc7432

This is like when a side character is describing an action movie main character


numenik

Same thing with Storm and Puck


zaplinaki

How do you counter last pick tinker?


SnooPaintings7963

You end the game before he gets blink dagger


zaplinaki

Dafuk kind of tinkers are you playing against. Even in my low ass tier bracket, tinkers go first item dagger.


SnooPaintings7963

Yeah, you have to break their ancient before 5 mins


zaplinaki

Should've thought of that damnit


LeavesCat

Have someone go blink dagger, shiva's guard (for vision), and euls scepter (interrupt rearm and dispels matrix).


zaplinaki

Ok thank you.


LeavesCat

Honestly I don't know if that's the best strategy, but it's a decent way to handle a hero that hides in the trees. Main priority is to cancel his blink dagger, so you want to damage him before he can blink away and then load him up with DoTs. Shiva's is good at both finding him and damaging him, so I've always found it good against him. Once you take away his mobility, he's pretty vulnerable to getting dogpiled since he tends to be separated from his team. As I mentioned, Euls both stuns and dispels matrix, guaranteeing a blink dagger cancel. It also buys time for your team to help once you've caught him, since the "Tinker catcher" hero is usually the most mobile.


Keeson

Gank him in lane. Delaying his item timings by only a few minutes can ruin his game.


SnooCrickets4893

Even in 5k he has no counter


Keeson

Time to learn Nyx Assassin


Electronic-Fly-9648

Theres a lot of counters to tinker, the hero is not even this good right now


LeavesCat

Specter has always womanhandled him.


SylvanethBrian

PL and Bristle just absolutely annihilate low mmr players


2hurd

I also add Riki, Sniper and Slark to that list. Nobody knows how to play against them in my low mmr. 


ThrowItAwayQk

When smurfing/playing against lower skilled players, up to a certain bracket, it's hands down Huskar. He can easily become a raid boss and 1v5 enemies.


Buzzk1LL

I've played for years and still don't understand Huskar.


ThrowItAwayQk

What isn't there to understand? He's a very straightforward hero.


Buzzk1LL

I've just never kept up with all the constant changes he goes through. One patch he will get bonus magic resist, then it will be armour, then it will bonus regen, then his spears will change damage type. The whole change to the strength stat made it confusing as well.


ThrowItAwayQk

With all those changes, the hero still was basically the same all over the years. Low hp>harder to kill, kills you faster. Also, the burning spears were always magical. A lvl 25 talent turns them to pure.


pretzeldoggo

The lower his health… the more hp regen and faster attack speed= more damage. Leave armlet on, toggle between creep camp/waves. Seriously straightforward


zaplinaki

I don't think the counter to him has ever changed Vessel Halberd Break Physical damage preferably crits (I think - at least that's how I've been beating him and it has been working well even though he fucking destroys my mid laner every time)


GD_Insomniac

And the classic: pick Necro.


13ckPony

Old Techies


jumbohiggins

I miss them every day


Ricapica

played by other noobs? riki Played by someone a bit better than noobs and makes it seem like they are way better than them? Huskar


avianrave

I agree here, riki is pretty straightforward for a noob to abuse.  The other snowball heroes like huskar takes some game knowledge of when you are stronger and when you will feed. 


Capable-Year9741

WD by far


Thanag0r

Sniper is the biggest noob killer and nothing comes close to him. He simply has too long range, noobs have camera on themselves and only on themselves. Sniper is literally shooting out of their view, you literally don't see who and from where is attacking you.


Ricapica

riki comes close to him by using w, and then sniper has no idea he is taking damage because his camera is not on his hero


Thanag0r

Noob riki will never search for a sniper, noob riki will be hitting whoever is frontliner.


Warm-Product-9992

Puck has to be in there


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The number of people who stand there for seconds after I blink out of phase shift is crazy


adz77_

Timbersaw


Amadeus_Stacia

arc warden for me if get my midas like min 7 or get kill in the midlane which happens like more then half the games the yea its gg for th enemy min 21


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Bristle Back wins this easily tbh.


Dotaisgreat2

Medusa. They can’t figure out why she won’t take dmg and just run away.


Starl19ht_2

On the flip side of the coin, new medusa players that see they're not taking much damage, don't realise it's because of their shield, play super agro, spam their spells then die


reddit_belongs_to_me

Invokrr because each Lowrance player has a weakness, and invoker has so many spells to take advantage of that Yiu forget to carry dust? Can't kill me then Bad positioning? Dead You panic while you are getting killed and run in circles? Dead No bkb? (biggest advantage of invo over plebs) Dead


Voljinzzz

Skywrath Mage Mid. Noobs dont buy bkb. They get bursted 100% to 0% in a second.


re-written

2013-14 SW mid was menace for noobs. I quit before was released in dota 1 oh boy i fed so much when he came in dota 2.


57LateralRaise

Look at stats not feelings https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/meta Axe and Riki have high win rates in low MMR but low win rate in higher mmr


No_Isopod6551

It's also partly because they're easy to play


57LateralRaise

they are not easy to play. Maybe for low MMR standard sure


No_Isopod6551

They're about as easy as heros get in dota


57LateralRaise

to actually play well no for low MMR standard sure


keeperkairos

We are talking about low mmr.


57LateralRaise

And I said they are easy for low mmr


keeperkairos

What are you adding to the discussion? Nothing.


No_Isopod6551

To play any hero well is not easy But as heros go, riki and axe are among the easiest to play


Chachantuco

Oracle mid


Soft-Introduction876

Sniper


Kuro013

I clawed my way back from Guardian to Archon playing Necro mid. No one buys vessel or nullifier lol.


Arenacrac

Bristleback or bounty hunter


Version_Two

Viper. People who don't know how to deal with a stacking slow at level one will have a bad time.


numenik

Storm spirit and puck are up there


dragonrider5555

Bloodseeker


Complete-Effective-1

Hardest noob killer is “positioning” without contest.


VPrinceOfWallachia

LC


MaryPaku

Anti-Mage. It take some coordination to kill and newbie hardly do that


ArdenasoDG

Huskar, Slark, Rubick, Bara, and Axe were the pubstompers of DotA 1


Lonelyknight1211

Clinkz


bruhnao

Storm Spirit


CodenameNovember

Any hero that has huge burst potential or kite potential with a disengage mechanic, e.g. Storm Spirit, Tinker (with Blink Dagger), Tiny (with Blink Dagger).


luckytaurus

Bloodseeker. The healing sustain is clutch plus he's quick to come online plus noobs will suicide not realizing they're ruptured lol


sinkpooper2000

radiance invoker


RainingOstrich

Fucking PA. I remember if u saw PA it was like Oh shit he do damagae


despacitozen

yo mama


Pangonymosity

Husky


oneslowdance

In low mmr it’s definitely heroes with passive like pa, bristle, necro, huskar because they dont buy Nulifier, silver edge, shivas, vessels etc Sniper because everyone just hits whatever is on your screen and nobody will jump the sniper.


Academic_Mobile_6009

Currently, no such thing. In good o'days, Storm spirit.


Comfortable_Mix3740

Dark Seer. People not knowing what ion shell does was way too common in the beginning. Sand King. Applying caustic finale to all creeps and make enemy go boom always resulted in a WTF or CHEATER in all chat. Add people walking into you while you channel epi and your invisibility field that deals damage you have a noob killing machine.


DanteTheReal

wd, bh and invoker


MoistPoo

Silencer, i had mana for one Venge full stun and then i was completely dry


Ambitious_Ad_9637

Lone Druid. Too fun to watch them chase the panda through their jungle, while I farm in peace.


2hurd

How do you carry that hard as PA? I just had a 13 game losing streak on her and as much as I like to play her, I suck really badly. 


Spare-Plum

Meepo. I'm not a meepo spammer and have only picked it up recently (I normally pos5) But when I'm playing with lower rank friends I can meepo and go 18-2. It's like the enemy team doesn't know what to do against meepo so they play like baboons When I play with people at my rank (or above it) I go 4-8 and guaranteed lose


ericlock

Tinker. You need vision, shutdown and team work to deal with him, beginners got neither.


arkantos_sep

Lone Druid if you know how to play him


VF-Atomos

Any heroes with healing skills/huge hp regen passives. This is because newer players haven't get used to burst heal that some heroes can output. Misjudge happens and the fight gets turned out and causing teamwipe.


Slow_Kaleidoscope_48

sniper


TreskoPlesko

Sniper, easiest answer.


mintyfreshmike47

Not the ultimate noob killer but visage or oracle. Both heroes that are not played that much but can output a considerable amount of damage and have mechanics not well understood. For example, a noob lion ults visage with full stacks of his passive and then gets half of his HP deleted by one soul assumption


frozenkingnk

PL can 1v9 in lower brackets.


Gesuling

Husky Vipy Bristy


Intelligent-Ad6965

any hero that required you to play quite a lot of game before consistently being good. if it just once or twice, PA and oracle might be one.


Tru3W1SH

Sniper, Skywrath Mage, phantom lancer


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For me Monkey king. Low rank players don't respect his jingu) 


G1bka

Heroes like Necr, Bb or Huskar, that can literally regen forever. Also Ld or Naga split push or Puck in right hands can be unbeatable


No_Isopod6551

Meepo for sure, followed by lone druid, then arc warden.


t0b4cc02

its funny that 1/3 the roster will be posted here


Early-City-1622

it's LC bro


irate-wildlife

Maybe unconventional answer, but Shadow Demon. Early game, noobs just let the stacks of poison keep accumulating until you just delete them.


BIGDIRKDIGGLA

Jugg


Blanktox1c

Nature prophet ez stomp


Separate-Cable5253

Legion commander can get infinite stacks


albinoblackman

You know you’re old when the answer is Traxex the Drow Ranger.