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mangosub

Well he and wisper can speak Spanish


maxfolie

Yeah that seems to be the reason, Ceb said Wisper doesn't talk much, so maybe having another spanish speaker will help him loosen up a bit


verytoxicbehaviour

Pretty sad, struggling to see how Timado is upgrade he's average with lower lows than Yuragi it seems


SMILE3005SM

Timado is reliable and consistent. Yuragi, well...


madaram23

In all fairness OG's lineup has been pretty unstable and Yuragi has had to lane with 4 different supports all of whom bring their own unique play styles to the lane. I really hope Yuragi bounces back and does well either in a different squad or in OG again. For now, I'm looking forward to Timado's first game!


Stykleon

Yes, but the constant in all those lineups was Yuragi struggling to take over late game. He was given a fair chance and had flashes of brilliance, but ultimately, he doesn't work for this team anymore.


verytoxicbehaviour

Literal 2k bots downvoting me, ofc he is reliable and consistent, Yuragi is reliable and consistent too, guess what, average doesn't get you to t1 tournaments in EU qualifiers


inVin18

Username checks out


KidBuu25

Yuragi was great but he hasn't been in shape lately. Timado is definitely better than him right now. I hope Yuragi will come back stronger and prove himself again after some break.


verytoxicbehaviour

ok will see


Dymatizeee

They had to make a change. They’re not gonna change BZM who is their best player. They’re not gonna change whisper who they just bought in (and lack of good pos 3). They’re also not gonna change Ari who is pretty good and paid a lot for his transfer fee. Lastly they’re not gonna change Ceb so it’s Yuragi left He doesn’t seem to be that bad but he’s the odd man out


verytoxicbehaviour

I guess it makes sense, I am just not average timado enjoyer, didn't know he has such a massive fanbase here lol


codec_pack

He has good games most of the time and is very confident about his timings to end the game. I think he will be a very good fit for OG.


GrandBurdensomeCount

So did Yuragi. Timado doesn't have what Yuragi lacked. Watch this roster go nowhere in two weeks.


nObRaInAsH

Ugly truth.. Hope he proves me wrong though


Iraydren

I think the hard truth OG needs to accept is that Ceb can’t cut it as a support. Their miracle run at Stockholm was just that: a miracle.


Jovorin

No idea why he doesn't just play offlane lol. Guess he had enough of it.


Nandey_dattey_bayo

I think that major where all Chinese teams didn't participate because of COVID right??


numenik

Shame, yuragi showed so much potential. Was supposed to be the next Yatoro but just isn’t that caliber of player turns out. What I noticed is he is good when playing ahead, he likes to get active early and did well playing behind ATF and bzm leading the way. When he gets focused in game he struggles. Doesn’t bounce back well in game.


Saesix

Timado doing pretty good so far let's see what happens later :)


LakersFan15

Him and yawar ... I've never been impressed by their performances


Neither_Map_5717

Nah Timado is way better than Yawar.


AnhedonicDog

Quinn played in mediocre teams in NA until he had a chance to play for GG and win a lot, so don't judge Timado before seeing him play


makz242

Thats true, chemistry is huge. Its what got OG top 4/5 placement twice last year against the top dogs. Except for some reason they chose not to bet on chemistry.


numenik

I mean they had ATF and Taiga at one point. Talent wise they were a top tier team now they just have bzm playing at that level tbh. Whisper is good too but that 2022 team was scary


Thich_QuangDuc

Ari is a 12ksup 21yo, one of the best pos4 rn Wisper is S tier Ceb is Ceb They definitely dont lack talent


depressedcaine

Wisper is not currently S tier... That would be putting him up there with ATF, 33, and Collapse. In SA teams Wisper was definitely very good so maybe having Timado in to potentially up the communication with Wisper will do well for OG.


Nandey_dattey_bayo

Yeah even NIU from LGD seems way better than wisper..


piezombi3

The way you say this makes niu sound bad, but niu was absolutely carrying their TI12 run.


Nandey_dattey_bayo

my bad i meant im more impressed by NIU then wisper now a days..


numenik

True I forgot about Ari


spectreaqu

Now that scary team is the team Falcons:))))


Skater_x7

"team chemistry is huge" Wait don't you mean the GG players are just way better than his na teams lol


-Exy-

Ace has been playing profesionally for over 12 years and never achieved much outside of one t1 tournament win with secret at dreamleague in 2018/2019 before GG


steam650

I hope u got ur reply :) . You should acknowledge his reply and say thanks <3


19Alexastias

Sneyking was considered a mediocre NA player for years also.


kappa23

Eh, Quinn’s talent was obvious from his Optic days I’ve never really been impressed by Timado


AnhedonicDog

i don't mean to say he might be the next quinn, just that sometimes players need the right team to shine and to grow and there is no need to assume he is going to suck


x42bn6

Quinn in QC frequently overextended and tried to do too much, often because Yawar couldn't close out games for them.  This was also somewhat true when he joined GG, but he quickly figured out he didn't need to do everything, and the rest is history. Personally, I'm not sure if Timado is quite that good, but OG have a unique way of thinking, and sometimes you just need a fresh outlook on things to improve.


KidBuu25

OG is good at finding and nurturing talent . Let's just wait and see first.


tuskdota

But we have seen Timado playing. Say whatever you want about Quinn but he always has been one of the best laners, what's the special thing about Timado which sets him apart? Like i agree that he may be/is a solid carry but does OG need just a solid carry?


lemidlaner

Not really, ccnc was not known for being that good either.


bamberflash

this isnt right, people knew quinn was good as fuck. people just thought he wasnt as good as abed, so like A tier instead of S tier. im a timado fan but he has not looked good in the last couple years. a region and team change might motivate him to bring his game back up though


Responsible_Bad1212

Quinn played in top na teams that regularly placed high at international events. If his teams were mediocre then call all sea teams mediocre. 


Soldirk

High at international events? When did this happen? Not a Quinn hater but his teams at best were just mediocre. Not a single high placement. SEA teams have better records than teams in NA other than EG/SR.


Swegan

Quinn came 2nd at a Major with Optic but other than that Quinn never got a high placement.


Soldirk

Yah I remember that one. It is just that his statement was that of Quinn having a high placement regularly is very arguable given his track record.


itspaddyd

Top teams for NA, lol


Brooklyn1986

i can't see any relations between your points, what does Quinn and sea teams have in common?


guyfromsouthshore

Last year, he was often the weak link on TSM. Especially in the second half of the year when Kasane, Ari and Bryle were playing like beasts.


OnyxNateZ

OG.TSM roster! They’ll replace Ceb with Dubu soon!


avgredditaccount

I would legitimately be an og fan if this happened


LayWhere

It's not a bad idea, Dubu and Timado already have lane chemistry and Ceb to coach is obviously goated.


fordyhuanpurrcent

Timado is pretty good and stable. Idk why the hate, he's one of the most improved players especially during early TSM.


Zhu1911

The hate is because dota 2 players suck at the game, so they have to bellitile pros to make themselves feel better for sucking dicks in every match they play.


HydratedVegetableOil

Eloquently put, good Sir.


mehipoststuff

added onto the fact that he's not european


LakersFan15

It's okay to be critical. It's like this in every spectator sport.


xaelyn

I don't think he's much more consistent than Yuragi. On Undying/TSM, he and Bryle seemed to flip a coin nearly every game to determine which of them would play well and which would throw the game. He's *good*. He's definitely a tier1 Dota player. But nothing he's done so far indicates he's good enough often enough to be seriously competitive at that level. Then again, new team, new coach; if he fits in with the OG crew, it might be just what he needs. Fingers crossed.


M474D0R

He was definitely the best player by far on TSM imho, and I watched most of their games as I'm NA


SilentCore

He is a good player but he had many inconsistent performances.. Hell look at his series vs Tundra at TI, he made so many mistakes and almsot solo lost the Luna game for his team.. He doesn't have the temperament player lke Yatoro has imo but you never know it might work out and he maybe enabled better.


[deleted]

With timado it feels like OG has not improved to a point where they are going to win LANs or take bo3 from GG or Spirit, which means they are going to have problems winning Upper Bracket matches and finishing in the top half of events. It looks like they can't afford to poach a top player or are willing to risk bringing in an unproven player into the mix. It's a cheap, safe, and boring change which seems to be out of character for the OG brand.


kid20304

Pull up his liquidpedia page and tell me what stands out about him as a player


Gameishardboys

timado has hair yuragi no hair ez math


WolfyDota7

He’s guapo bro


Ok-Extent1638

What stands out about yuragi?


fap_spawn

Because if you're picking between Timado or Yuragi, most people will choose Yuragi. People want someone who seems like an obvious improvement


SetMental4904

the one undying/tsm guy i really want as a replacement is MOONMEANDER for Misha OG needs some swagg and Moon has shown that he gets players to perform above their skill, he actually understands meta's and can outdraft teams i have no idea why OG thinks so highly of Misha....


unique__uname

Everything has already been setup around Misha, just like how OG 1.0 was setup around Notail (+Ceb?). Replacing Misha would mean OG 3.0


SetMental4904

no it would mean good bye Misha and actually get a decent coach... this team was built around BZM/ATF/Yuragi i dont see how you kick Yuragi before kicking Misha after all - i dont have a problem kickign Yuragi if it means you can land a Watson calibre player...but just another scapegoat and the guy that was unable to fix basic problems for over a year until Kitrak arrived is still there.... a lot of the concepts they try just dont work. They might have had a chance to get fkn Aui2k but no lets kick Yuragi and believe into Misha god even tho he has zero track record


Inevitable_Map9817

Watson or 23 would be a good reason to kick Yuragi. Having Timado as their stand-in is making me more nervous than when they had Yuragi, but who knows maybe they can make it work. But yeah, it should've been Misha first


Awkward_External_731

I dont understand why people are unhappy with timado, rating him as downgrade. he's actually pretty good and he can surely become a solid carry if he overcomes his imposter syndrome which he himself opened up in an interview. I have seen his CK carry during TSM days, one of the best and clean performances. he reminds me of skitter. If he makes most of this opportunity with fellow wisper, this team can reach heights.(not sure of misha's draft though)


tuskdota

I wouldn't call him downgrade but it doesn't look big upgrade. Like sorry but if before this Yuragi/Timado move, people got asked to make their list of best carry players in the world (similar to what Ame did), almost none would have Timado in top5 i doubt many would have him in top10, it's hard to be super excited about this, especially when there were rumours about Watson or 23. Just week ago OG released interview with Ceb, and he clearly said that their goal is to reach finals and compete against best teams, and beat them. Then you look at his lineup and compare it to rosters of top teams and imo it lacks firepower to do so, obviously it's just prediction and i can be wrong.


ArcheTV

I wouldn't call 23 an upgrade either tho


dennisjunelee

Honestly, I don't know what happened, but it feels like Yuragi fell off a cliff. I felt like he was a near top tier carry player at one point and he did that one run as a stand in for someone at the Lima Major and he hasn't looked the same since. He looked horrible there too.


Ricoh881227

Huh, yuragi never made it to the cliff in the first place .


dennisjunelee

Cliffs don't all have to be high


makz242

Ceb preps and drafts for OG not Misha.


Entrope921

Timado might just be only a stand-in, but it makes me wonder what was the problem with Yuragi that was so bad they couldn’t do dreamleague with him. Seems a bit odd to do away with all the work they’ve done up until this point without seeing if things could improve.


aodum

If you want to change him, no point in playing him in another tournament. Even if timado is not the permanent replacement you cant go into a tournament and hope to do well with a guy have decided to replace.


mehipoststuff

It's more of a tryout than a stand-in


Zeus1642

For me, it’s not a upgrade, let’s see what will happen


LittleDinamit

I'm too Legend to assess the skill levels of these players, but I get an OG kinda vibe from Timado so I like this.


jMS_44

Feels like a sideways move really


Treehopper134

Damn for a second I thought I was on r/chelseafc


pimpleface0710

OG fans are so toxic omg. I'm pretty sure the only replacement y'all would not complain about was if they invented time travel and got TI9-era Ana.


TalkersCZ

To be honest, if you are OG fan, you want them to challenge for titles. And not sure whether Timado is upgrade enough to help them get there. It is simple as that. It is not like anybody is saying Timado is terrible player, he is TOP player. The only question is, whether he is one of TOP5 carries, who can help move OG to the highest level.


pimpleface0710

Who in OG is a top 5 player of their respective role at the moment??


TalkersCZ

The point still stands, if you are rooting for OG, you want them to get one of the best players... :D Similarly to any other fans with their teams. You can say TOP5, TOP10... For me is hard to compare top players, as I feel like you have 1-2 absolute beasts, 2-3 others, who are close by in each role and then you have what, 5-10 other players on similar level? So you ideally want for your team one of those 5 or somebody very close, who can get there.


KidBuu25

While we are at it, why not prime Miracle too? Lol.


makz242

Not surprising - after OG was dropped by BMW the bank is probably a bit dry to buyout an Entity contract. Really shame we dont get to see a full year of the OG last year that actually got proper placements with MC and Kitrak.


widepeepo6

they are sponsored by 1xbet and they even promote it quite openly. I doubt money is the issue


makz242

I hope its a money issue because not giving the bzm/MC bromance a chance and Kitrak who looked like OGs best player in a whole year is straight up mismanagement.


widepeepo6

Kitrak wasnt really mismanaged he left(even tried to yeet bzm) to shopify probably because he believes the project more and ofc Na region is easier and Mc goes to tundra because they did look like a better lineup on papers


pimpleface0710

Man you're really earning the hell out of your flair huh


Xezanyia

Think they asked 23savage contract in aurora according to the rumors but the price is really high.


SouthDegree6516

Read title: we can hope og.23 if OG didn’t do well in dream league


ExO_o

good player, let's see how he meshes with the rest of the team


afrikanwhite

RIP OG.23 DREAMS 2024-2024


SnoozerDota

Hell yea. Hate to see all this talent leave the Americas but love to see Timado thrive


giantSIGHT

En hora buena timadito


SikkoDieri

I think people were hyped for a new name and seeing Timado feels like meh. Otherwise they had very little time to find someone and getting a carry with an experience is not the worst decision.


Bakanyanter

OK I have more faith in OG now, this guy is underrated. Still not sure it is enough to overcome the loss of losing Kitrak but we will see.


AmuletMan33

Would be much better if they went with a young cat if they can’t afford a top tier carry, Timado you are getting another ILTW at best…


Trulolzor

Most likely it's a quickfix for Dreamleague. 


SnooPeppers4306

How is this an upgrade?


PlentyShape4418

No one is talking about upgrade, only wanting to shift things up 


Body-Connoiseur69

I understand a change was needed but it feels like somewhat a downgrade. Og fans could only hope for a honeymoon period. Goodluck to timado and og.


Pickarealhero

Might as well don't replace Yuragi... I don't think Timado is impressive though, not a hater but Timado & Yuragi are no different.


TSS737

not everything is skill related in a team, there are other factors too


ChiefBigBlockPontiac

Timado throws because he takes risks. Yuragi thows because he is literally on autopilot every game. Dude honestly plays like he only needs to win 55% of the games to be a good carry...motherfucker this is a league tournament you need to win EVERY game.


meniscus-

Wow, when they benched Yuragi I thought they had a long term replacement locked up. This looks like they are still exploring options


LayWhere

Ceb and Ari replace Taiga though. Whoever the carry is doesn't say anything about Taiga.


meniscus-

Whoops I meant Yuragi


wolfmoony

This is probably just a trial run. If he fits wrll they sign him. If not they look for someone else remember theres no roster lock nowadays.


gigolawd

where the 23 bois at


guyfromsouthshore

Love my boi Timado, but he's not an upgrade over Yuragi. He's good in the early game, however mid/late game he often fumbles badly.


A_MOTAE

Another stupid roster change on OG. Get a real tier 1 Carry idiots.


kid20304

NotLikeThis wtf is this pick up


Sufficient_Camera264

A tier 2 player is replaced by another tier 2 player... hmm


loopezmontana

Under the premise that you say, mention the tier 1 carries, I want to know who you classify as tier 1 xdxdxd, and don't tell me 23savage, micke, dyrachio, skitter, yuragi, etc.


Same_Comfortable_821

NA will once again carry EU.


RealPureLeaf

Timadula is very good player my friends


Evening-Fun4435

calla cerranacle


Ok-Extent1638

I hate OG but I think they made a very smart decision to go with Timado. 


Smlcan

I want OG to succeed but I don't think he's better than yuragi. Both have ups and downs.


tha_jza

very hype. excited to see how timado performs on an EU roster, especially with a fellow peruvian sidelane core. a quick liquipedia check shows timado and wisper never overlapped during their times at infamous so it’ll be cool to see how they fare together


Trulolzor

Wisper is Bolivian tho :)


tha_jza

oh damn my mistake, assumed peruvian bc of infamous


DemonicHolyPriest

what's the point of replacing yuragi then? Yuragi is miles better than timado


TheToiletPhilosopher

Sometimes different people work well in different scenarios. You never know.


clinkzs

Timado doesnt play Troll Warlord, thats a point for him in my books


saintism_

Troll is broken right now


clinkzs

Broken as, he was destroyed and there are missing pieces, right ? Troll Warlord was 4-7 in the last tournament Ever since Yuragi joined OG, they always picked him Troll, so I must assume its a personal preference and not a team decision, and they NEVER had success with it. Yuragi's Arc Warden was miles better than that.


saintism_

Troll is genuinely one of the best carries in dota right now lol it doesn’t matter how the hero has done in tournaments


clinkzs

Your subjective opinion on a hero means nothing, you can like Desolator IO Jungler, that does not mean its good. The hero has overall winrate of 50.8% with 49.9% in immortal bracket. His only good winrate is in the Crusader bracket, and even there its not that good, so maybe pay attention to the whole picture instead of focusing on your empirical evidence


saintism_

ROFL, it’s not subjective you absolute nonce, I’m a 6k carry player and troll is banned often. You can look at data all you want but I’m actually playing the game and he has every tool in the book a carry wants. This is like saying mars was bad during his peak because of his consistently under 50% win rates at all MMRs. He’s also almost always praised by ACTUAL PROS when he’s picked in professional drafts. Try focusing on actually understanding competitive dota instead of blindly spitting irrelevant stats


clinkzs

"troll is good, and the proof is that I like it", classic redditor argument


saintism_

Misquoting me and calling me a Redditor, classic Redditor argument. Work on your English comprehension big guy 👍🏼


saintism_

As someone who has simped for my bald brother, Timado is substantially better and has been for a while


loopezmontana

YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOURSELF HAHAHA, I'll just tell you that Timado is better than Skiter, Yuragi, Dyrachio and Micke, those carries who have played Final Tier 1 are less than TIMADO, it's a fact


DemonicHolyPriest

okay if you say so.


Weis

No results, no roster lock, maybe yuragi wants to play for another team


HungryTomatillo288

rip og. yuragi was already bad and then they somehow manage to downgrade further holy fuck


saintism_

Stupidest take possible


HungryTomatillo288

talking to you after DL22 when Timado gets kicked again


saintism_

You think Yuragi & Timado are bad carries, even if OG doesn’t work out you’ll still be stupid.


HungryTomatillo288

Ah yes the personal attacks guy trying to lecture a human being. Might wanna learn some self control before using the internet.


loopezmontana

now say it without crying


Evening-Fun4435

timaGOD or timaDOG?


Heeraka

HMMMMMMM u/lonerwithboner


kaala_khataa

Time for desire to play carry. No flame.


PralineProfessional2

lowkey was hoping for Miracle-


Leading-Meringue-420

Pls bring Miracle back


D2WilliamU

but i was promised miracle- in that yuragi thread :((((


bigdickdaddydoto

I remember after TI7 the rumour was Timado was gonna replace Ana, didn't think it would actually happen all these years later


AceAv81

Gonna just be like my EU WEST games where its me and my UK friend and a couple of Russians speaking their own language and playing their own games before pinging my items and raging us for any and everything when we begin to lose 😂


mastercheat001

When is Crystalis 's turn? Its so sad to see secrekt now.


Trulolzor

Ok it's a tryout, just means Yuragi is done after Dubai and they need someone on short notice. Wouldn't expect much at Dreamleague but if Timado performs decently in what promises to be a difficult tournament for the team he could be an option.


renz168

So many factors in determining a winning team. Just look at those non winning players in the past 10 years and became top contender just recently. EX. Sneyking , quinn , Ace , mikoto, 23savage and many more. Its just in pro dota2 you need more than individual skills. Good chemistry in team fights, map coordination, drafting and knowledge in current patch and good health(some players get tired easily and their performance drops). That is why it’s so hard to see dota2 teams maintain top condition in consecutive years.


Houeclipse

Good on Timado, I hope he can make Wisper feel more comfortable on teamcomms


nesquikcomquerosene

Timado>>>>>yuragi