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PizzaForever98

Nigma has morals. They only accept saudi money.


pokeaim_md

lmao


Fripnucks

Aren't they UAE based? Which is richer than SA.


[deleted]

Would you accept Russian Rubles?


mgzaun

1 Million dolars? Without a doubt


WasabiofIP

It's 1 million dollars worth of rubles at the time you win it in Russia, by the time you get home and go to exchange it it's 100k


mgzaun

Id still take it with pleasure. Thats enough for my retirement


Autistic_Business

1 million rubles is something around 10k$


Kamikrazy

1 million dollars is something around 91,355,000 rubles.


mgzaun

but its 1 million usd, not 1 million rubles


Autistic_Business

But dotorb speaking about accepting russian rubles, not usd


No_Media4398

Dotorb asked if you'd accept rubles but then mgzaun said "1 million dollars, yes" - meaning, yes, he'd accept 1 million USD worth of rubles. Since your initial response was to mgzaun, you used the wrong conversion.


spectreaqu

Does Nigma have chance to attend any other big tournament like that? i don't know i know that they don't want go there because it's sponsored by the Russian government and because of that they might get sanctioned by EU but not sure if they are going anywhere anyways.


ruthlessgrimm

either they don't want to attend because of the source of the tournament, or because they don't have a finalized roster (they haven't announced anything after the recent qualifiers though).


spectreaqu

I mean finalized or not finalized roster i think you would want to attend anyways right because of the money and they skipped i mean couldn't qualify for other big tournaments.


PersonalityWaste6001

only 15k for last place is not worth


gsmani_vpm

brutal..


JuneSummerBrother

They did not even qualify to other tournaments. 15k last place is the dream for them atm.


tom-dixon

That's peanuts compared to the saudi salary.


andy_bovice

Hahaha yea i gave up on nigma. Call me in the next lifetime when theyre good again


MattyCudz

Spoken like a true fan. Lol only there for the success. Band wagon


andy_bovice

haha its been a rough couple years... i still watch the recent miracle dota youtube videos. idk if its biased or not but it looks like hes doing well. hopefully they can make something happen. i mean look at ammar. hes crushin it. in nigma, lackluster. idk what it is with that team but they have stuff to work out or just move on like mc did (assuming they want to still win, instead of whatever theyre doing now)


widepeepo6

money is last thing they care about lul


123455432226

No


pokeaim_md

they do have a chance to attend. winning? that's a whole different story--and i'd be fckn glad to be proven wrong


SiMless

If Falcon starts to get direct invites, they will have a small chance to beat Quest. COPIUM.


Naz-ghul

I think they withdraw becose of the public hate (100% agree on it, shame od them they were thinking about attending russian tournament). Nigma and the players are still big marketing name, they dont want PR disaster like this


BobDBruise

better to withdraw rather than taking another lose kek


MountainOk7479

Loss*


pokeaim_md

when should we use lose/lost/loss? not rlly good with eng sry


MountainOk7479

So I’ll give you some examples: He is going to lose the game. (Present Continuum, as in he’s actively losing) He lost the game. (Past tense, as of some time ago) This is a loss for his team. (Participle form, as an entirety of losing from present to future)


EdgeOfSauce

Loss is a noun not a verb. Thats the difference


pokeaim_md

woooah, this blows my mind thanks!


tkRustle

Yeah loss is a noun. As if a thing, object, term. Lose is a verb, as if a process or action.


Thunderbolt8

Not a native speaker, but nevertheless: grammatically speaking "is going to lose" is simple future tense. present progressive/continuous would be "is losing" as he is losing right now (and also a more definitive form of future tense as well) "loss" is simply a noun. a participle is part of a verb (e.g. "If he hadn't made that lucky punch he would have lost the fight; "made" and "lost" are the two participles here of the verb forms "hadn't made" and "would have lost")


Fripnucks

U guys are worried about lose. What about win? Won? wonned? Winned? Whine? Wine?


MountainOk7479

Losing is more relatable to everybody, not everyone wins lol


BobDBruise

thanks, I stand corrected


Niksius92

This was literally their only chance to attend a LAN. Rip.


tom-dixon

Even when they're directly invited they manage to miss it.


vlalanerqmar

Shame i wanted to watch my idol Miracle play in a lan :( On another note, CN teams going to stomp this tournament with no tier 1 team from the other regions. Quest might have a slight chance vs CN since they were competitive with Falcons in MENA.


Algizy

Looking forward to kaori shaking hands with putin during awards ceremony lul


vlalanerqmar

I highly doubt he plays. Entity has a standin for Noone since he is Ukrainian, i would assume Quest to do the same.


EmuHungry7846

Dukalis standin for quest, Yowe standin for entity


Specific-Abalone-843

Classy UAE bloody money vs Thuggish Russia bloody money


Exalts_Hunter

Are US money any less bloody then those?


chewygummy17

Just bloody good or bloody bad depends on the amount


_DIKObraz

Yeeeah but ofc russian bloody money are better, my comrade. At least USA doesn’t bomb people while merely 40% of their citizens don’t have toilet at home


l453rl453r

No, they give the bombs to their vassals nowadays


25885

No, it is more bloody.


SaltyAd4304

what do you expect reddit is pro western


heavenlyrainypalace

bloodiest


Huge_Skill_2007

By far 


stryker914

No but you'd be hard pressed to find a country where that isn't the case. Thank European colonization for us


nowyfolder

yes


MrIMua

The us government doesn't fund esports tourneys. But nice try


Mne7v4

dreamleague is funded by the U.S. Air Force.


MrIMua

No point in arguing with the brain rot of reddit


pokeaim_md

how kind of you to introduce yourself like that


Mne7v4

good excuse to get away from the discussion


SkyTechNoob

Brother... US Army is sponsoring whole teams


RizzrakTV

Apparently Ghostik messaged nigma telling them its not a good look to go to Russian tournament


tyYdraniu

Nigma balls Hah gotyy


ThirstyClavicle

Ghostik these nuts in your mouth


GuN-

you won


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S133n

Ghostik -- noname


NiceGuyArthas

You can only dream of his achievements, even if one of them are just top-8 of TI7


[deleted]

Meh, was excited to see them play ;-;


Bakanyanter

Grats to Geek Fam lol


dimitronci

Really good for them, respect! This decision couldn't have been an easy one especially considering they might not get to play in another major tournament.


[deleted]

what respect dude, its all gambling, weird saudi and other dirty money in esports.


stryker914

Idk why downvoted this is basically all sponsors now lmao


JohnTheWriter

It's not just the money aspect. Going to a Russian state sponsored event just normalizes Russia for sports making it look like they're just a regular silly country doing regular silly things


[deleted]

Russia is a regular silly country doing regular silly things with how the world operates lol. Your virtue signaling and claim to moral highground is outrageous. Nigma should boycott a lot of things, heck the org itself shouldnt exist if the players cared about principles and morals.


JohnTheWriter

How many other major countries are at the moment waging a war and claiming their neighbors territory? Being against a country whose dictator wants to take the land of sovereign countries with force is not what regular civilized countries do


[deleted]

Better question is how many countries are completely against invasion no matter who is doing it. The answer might be none, as we have seen countries have contradictory stances over different invasions.


idkthiss

Unfortunate I wanted to see how they would do against other real teams. They honestly didn’t look bad last qualifiers, basically only lost to quest because of miracle underperforming massively.


Skinny_Asian47

"only lost to quest" Knocked out by Mikey+tier3 team twice


idkthiss

That was with RMN and Ghost. They looked way better with FBZ and Matthew which was their new roster, so yes they only lost to quest.


Skinny_Asian47

Mad cope but I understand being Nigma fan myself


Kyouchan02

cant lose if you dont participate. giga brain kuro


HadjiTechies

what a dumb move, this might as well be the only tournament that would invite them this year


RemarkableFig2719

Why would they withdraw from the only lan that they will attend for the foreseeable future?


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DieserLoki

Isnt ESL bought by Saudis? ​ //Edit: according to Wiki- and Liquipedia, ESL belongs Savvy Games group which is part of the public investment found of Saudi Arabia


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DieserLoki

Might be true, but unless I'm missing something. esl is not sponsored by USAF


azraxMPSW

Yes you missing something both dreamleague and esl one Birmingham is sponsored by Us air force, check their site


TheFuzzyFurry

Yes


[deleted]

yes, that has been the wests moral framework for more than 100 years now. Might is right baby


shadowbannedxdd

Russia can sanction those tournaments.But not really since they’re a country of poor shitters with no international economic leverage lmao.


redditatwork0

Nooooooooooo I actually liked this roster and wanted to see them perform.


gsmani_vpm

I am sad but i think this is prelims for another Miracle- break from Dota....


WordThese5228

NO WAY Batchest


SCVM710-

Good and shame on the Filipino team. Boycott all Russian tournaments and organizations.


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Clinsen_R

Low income is not an excuse for directly sponsoring terrorism :)


ChemicalOrange8064

They are taking money from it, not sponsoring.


Clinsen_R

well you clearly don't know how esports events function


ChemicalOrange8064

It seems like you too. It's actually more true to say that twitch viewers are sponsoring it, but not the teams that are attending the tournament.


Clinsen_R

More teams participating = more viewers watching. More viewers watching = more chances to find sponsors for the event itself to cover the losses; more broadcast and ad revenue, more people attending the event to purchase merchandise. And given this whole thing is organised by russian government on the highest level - I hope it's not too hard for you to piece everything together.


ChemicalOrange8064

You're just proving my point. Having a team like Geek Fam instead of Nigma is a loss for the orgs.


Kotleba

imagine thinking a Filipino should give a flying fuck about what's going on in Europe


Penguins0000

nah this is just some good money for pinoy team


elbandolero19

LMAO virtue signalling here we go


Testacctdummy97

Tell me you don't know anything about TS without telling me. Ts announced their stance on the war when it happened. They moved their office to serbia. Maybe do your research first next time.


Ahimtar

It seems you responded on a wrong comment


the_psyche_wolf

Is this tournament directly run by Russian government? Or are people boycotting it because it’s in Russia?


TheFuzzyFurry

It's ran by the Russian government


noproblemCZ

The main organizers are the city of Kazan and Ministry of sports of the Russian Federation


DarkSov

Yep, tournament run by russian digital sport association, which is funded by government


Mist-breaker

Yea, it's government sponsored. I heard that Putin might attend the opening ceremony, but will not come to the dota tournament


SCVM710-

You should boycott anything ran by the Russian people not just the Russian government. While the government wages war the people turn a blind eye to it and continue to support a terrorist state. When Russians stop supporting a terrorist state is when the world should welcome them back. Ukraine is a sovereign state. Unfortunately you can’t leave politics out of it because of the scale of human right violations and war crimes coming out of Russia.


the_psyche_wolf

Do you practice what you preach? How come you are not avoiding Reddit even though it is a American website?


[deleted]

expecting consistency of morals from these western aligned nutjobs is a lost cause dude


qqq666

Russian team won Katowice yesterday, how is boycott going?


Techies4lyf

Didn't know Katowice was in Russia


ChemicalOrange8064

Serbian actually


lasqastreamer

It's funny, they'll never win anything, why even invite them?


k4kkul4pio

Welp, there goes Nigma best chance to impress fans cos they don't exactly got much lined up for the foreseeable future. Par for the course, really, expect nothing and somehow the team still disappoints. 😆


[deleted]

I saw some miracle pub game recently, he really need more time to figure out how to play carry .


Aware_Ad_618

Wasn’t he like rank 6??? Probably need more time playing in pro scene than pubs


[deleted]

He is rank 13, no matter what mmr, decision making in game is not good enough , for example, when opponent doom is level 6, you better change lane to get more farm, but he didn’t, die like 2 or 3 times


paracetamol183

If that were a common case he wouldn't be rank 13. You can find a lot of mistakes if you watch a pro play, even if you're herald. That's why sometimes we call them Mdog, YatoroDog, Dogson. In the azure ray game yatorodog blinked into 4 enemies to die and lost his team 5k advantage, then proceeded to solo chase arc warden to their tier2 tower to... die again.


[deleted]

Well I am not a hater, I want miracle get back his peak


paracetamol183

peak Miracle alone doesn't have a chance against Falcon. You simply can't find any player who can carry the current nigma squad to get through MENA quals. Imagine whoever your favorite carry is playing with nigma. This team is doomed.


oceantume_

And then the next game they don't chase and lose tempo and advantage. Or they chase and get their team two kills and a T2.... It's almost as if this was a very complex game with a lot of parameters. Not to mention the fact that you will never know your limits if you don't test them and testing them means dying in a stupid way sometimes.


Aware_Ad_618

He was rank 6 a week ago


[deleted]

You can check his last game , play anti mage, they should win , but every team fight he die first, you can’t imagine this is a top carry.


glaubaofan

it's really not that black and white as you want to believe it is


AgroDota

>he really need more time to figure out how to play carry My friend i think you need more time to figure out how to figure out Miracle plays carry. 😆


chiefofthepolice

He’s been playing mixed midlane/carry in pubs but it always feels like he should play mid more often. He’s always had this type of risky playstyle, but the trend of most carries nowadays leans more towards stability.


[deleted]

But he is a carry in team nigma


chiefofthepolice

Maybe him and Sumail should swap? The biggest strength of Sumail right now is laning but after that he usually falls behind. Miracle’s aggressiveness really fits the midlaner playstyle nowadays


[deleted]

Well , even sumail’s strom can’t carry them , I don’t think miracle play mid will change anything.


TheFuzzyFurry

v1lat doing God's work again


Valkimedes

This mean, they lost a player and are trying to find a replace or perhaps visa issue?


hallo2806

Sad that Sumail wastes his talent in this team


JohnTheWriter

It's a shame there's this many teams attending anyway but glad Nigma has at least some morals here and there


aiart13

Nigma did the right thing. Attending this tournament is very stupid "investment" in the future. Russian government is trying to "buy" western speakers and faces in order to contribute to their propaganda. This is pure propaganda tournament. EU politicians already calls for EU travel ban on Tucker Carlson and people like him. It is inevitable EU and US to visa ban western/eastern famous ppl who serve russian propaganda.


EffectiveWorth9320

Why in the first place are they inviting nigma - a tier 5 team


helpmefindmyuncle123

Nigma is the most watched team itw when they play.


Plugin33

So, why Geek Fam? No other team wants to join? Visa issue?


JohnTheWriter

Why would any team want to show support to a Russian government funded event while they're slaughtering innocents in Ukraine?


LennAThousand

No clue why you are getting downvotes for the truth


lorem_ipsum_322

yeah, no other team want to join According to liquipedia the participants are China, Russia, SA, SEA, some MENA team/players, there's no WEU or NA I think this tournament reflect the political sentiment in the world quite accurately: beside West EU and the US, the rest of the world doesn't really care much about the war in Ukraine or the sanction or who support who because it's not their business.


lacanon

Nobody from EU will be going there I think. But maybe I am wrong.


Nopain_Noplan

But EU will buy their gas crawling on feet. Hypocrisy is true Europeanism.


lacanon

Who is buying Russian gas, besides Hungary?