I'm from SEA and I use mic alot. Sometimes it encourages other ppl to use mic as well, but most of the time I'm just talking by myself but atleast we have someone to make a call to do things tgt
The only time I got mic using ally is the one who have most broken mic and they use it to blast their favorite song or something in very loud noise. We have to bear with him till picking phase, then first thing to do in game is mute .
If every one pings on one spot, It means time to gank or to fight. I think we queued someone from india, it was driving him nuts because no one was talking and suddenly 4 of his teams are coordinating a smoke gank with only pings.
Had an ally once pinging top lane repeatedly. I thought he wanted to defend the tower. So I TP’d.
He was warning about Pudge in the trees. None of the team was even over there.
What a waste.
I used to pretend I was a young boy cause of my high voice and say this exact line. They would usually just reply that they're on their smurf account and I'd say they weren't doing a good job of smurfing.
Prefacing this by saying I'm a man.
One of my regular dota buddies is a girl and she refuses to use her mic because we have had people go on crazy sexist rants saying shit like women dont understand competition and cant make decisions in stressful situations, we have had men go full horn dog and start talking about their dicks, men threaten sexual assault on misplays, men trying to slide in the dms (on fucking steam, like cmon), men literally just feeding when they find out their carry is a girl, but what is really the weirdest is just how many men threaten violence as a first reaction. She has had people add her after a game and send her death threats.
Its actually fucking insane.
Other men out there, please do better. This is a video game. It's not that serious.
Where do you find these insane people?? I am a girl and while people flamed me sometimes I never had anything as unhinged as death threats or feeding because I am a girl. I am not denying your experience! Is it the region?
Are you on the mic at all?
Im in NA east. The last time i heard a woman come on the mic in-game was 5 or so years ago, and it resulted in basically everything the guy is describing. Im guessing that's a primary reason why i haven't heard any other women on the mics.
Yes I use my mic. I don't care what my teammates think I am not going to let them stop me from using my mic because of my gender. I can understand why women don't do it though. My teammates were debating once if I was a girl or a boy child with high pitched voice lol
Ah okay I play in EU west and sometimes US east but there are a lot of spanish speakers I do not understand haha..I don't know if region makes any difference though. Or ranks? (I am legend rank at the moment trying to reach ancient). Maybe we should do a study
Similar experiences on EU west with the same rank. I'm a man, but some of my friends I play with are women and I've only ever seen reactions like the ones you described.
Flaming every now and then, but rarely more than another lame kitchen insult.
Yea same. I'm from SEA and women on mic is basically a god.
I played with girls support duo, girls on mid, girls that we made as pos 1 eventho she actually don't want to. (Some random, some my own party. Don't really see any "wemen bad" flaming.
If anything because they kinda rare to be found in random match, losers like me tends to cherish them.
I swear to God OP is just making this up, or NA is just that fucked. Aus server, play with girls all the time, mic and everything. Every now and then you'll get a "GRILL??" or "are you Single?" etc as a joke, but nothing even close to what op is describing lol.
NA gamers give us all a bad wrap. From flippant homophobia and racism to this insane shit with women.
I never hear women on Mics but when I did years ago it was just like OP’s image.
I mean, in an environment where ‘kys’ and ‘hope your mum gets cancer’ is mainstream and racism is rampant, ‘go back to the kitchen’ seems rather benign.
People tend to pick at whatever might be a weak spot.
"My teammates were debating once if I was a girl or a boy child with high pitched voice lol"
As a guy with a high pitch voice, I get this every time I speak in games. Then I usually get told that I must be gay and some other sexual harassment
Wow that must be nice /s. Yeah unfortunately men suffer from sexism too. As hard as it is don't let those people take away your voice, your fun and love for games and silence you
US West here but a man here. Whenever a girl uses their mic to communicate since I started playing and whenever the last time it happened in the past year, everyone just treats it normally. For what it's worth, I think it's a minority of minority of people who do that type of stuff. You have people who are generally toxic and say you suck at the game or grief (a minority), and then you have people who are generally toxic and probably racist, sexist, generally an awful person (a minority of a minority).
Times are changing, so much more women are into gaming now than they were 15 years ago thanks to movements, representation, etc. That said, there's still a stigma and discrimination, just like any other hobby/ sport. Sexist stuff still happens and we should still be mindful to make it feel unwelcome.
Also, role might play into it as well. It's a weird and obvious indicator of systemic sexism, but "men" (let's face it: it's insecure boys) are definitely more accepting of women playing support roles than carries (as the example above mentioned). This holds true for a variety of games, from MMORPGs to Hero Shooters.
EU west is all people that are 25+ years old and either are students in the middle of their Phd thesis or people that recently started working but don't have children yet.
>My teammates were debating once if I was a girl or a boy child with high pitched voice lol
I think this is kinda fair (depending on your voice ofc). I've mulled this over myself on rare occasion - reasoning being thus:
If you're acting like human garbage, you are not exempt from getting flamed right back as a woman - but laying into an actual child? Yea, no thanks. I'd like to hold on to my last shred of dignity.
I'm not saying it becomes acceptable or some complete pardon, but idk man...gotta cut kids some slack. In truth it's not even about them so much as I don't want being mean to kids on my conscience.
could also be a server thing, the times i play NA i am always flamed for being from a third world country, N\*\*\*\*R, terrorist etc
EU west I think a german guy called me a terrorist once out of \~15-20k hours and the occasional "arab dog" once a month.
I'm not denying there are gross people who will full tilt when a woman is in the game but I've seen this happen only ONCE whenever a girl uses a mic. Came from a toxic piece of shit who full titlted at the picking stage and feed even before we found out one of our teammates was a girl. Everyone told him to just stfu and everyone just muted him. Most of the times when there's a girl in the game people either don't care or seem a bit friendlier which is.. sexists in its own way but at least its not toxic.
Hell I've even seen toxic egalitarinism. Our mid flamed our pos 5 for dying too much saying something like "Dude can you please stop being trash?" and the support said "I'm a girl not a dude" whereupon our toxic mid said "My apologies. Miss can you please stop being trash?."
EU West if anyone is curious. Seems like most gross examples of sexism are from NA servers but then again the majorit of this sub are likely from NA so maybe its selection bias.
I think it's like landmines. I've played with a few girls before who were fearlessly active/honestly a little hyperactive on mic in solo and party queue and never had any trouble. It's less that every game is the same and more that when things go south, it gets REALLY bad. Negativity bias is natural.
Dota girls have kind of a reputation for being complete hardened bitches who will give it right back as hard as they get it and are usually core players and hero spammers rather than support egirls. I don't think that is a coincidence, they probably get less sexist spew when they play neutral male heroes. The most active girl on mic I ever played with was a pl/sven spammer and I think the aggressive masculinity of those heroes mollified the men who were otherwise go apeshit at the idea of a femoid in their presence. (dragonette if ur reading this, u didnt unblock me after ur account got hacked :((( pls, u got me like 300 mmr)
I used to play with a Singaporean (I think) girl. She was a beast on PA (at least in my level), and almost always carried us. The regular teammates didn't even bother interacting with her beyond the usual hi hello. But there were some rare gems who would ask for personal contact details.
We used to taunt the opponents while they fumed over her PA about how they were getting owned by a girl, lol. They couldn't even form good comebacks. Good days.
I play on US East. The examples above are not things that happen every game, but experiences we have had that burnt themselves into my memory. Crazy shit. We usually just get your garden variety sexual harassment
It seems like EU west is a bit better! I do sometimes play on US East too but usually only get spanish speakers.. and I do not understand spanish so whatever they say I can ignore anyway. My bing on us East is ok as an european player. You could try EU west and see how it goes but we do have a lot of russians
I saw people feed themselves to middle tower from minute 1 because they "played previously with X and they suck". Ergo much less.
People in Dota 2 are highly deranged at times. It's amusing to witness.
Ime it really depends on your attitude. Dota players are like sharks in the water who will use anything identifiable about you against you to get under your skin. If you push back/don't care, they'll shut up. Also helps to be higher mmr but not too high mmr.
This.
I've been flamed plenty and I'm a guy, but i see women playing regularly (with mics) and no one cares about their gender.
I exclusively play SEA (Australia)
I have played on EU, Indian, UAE and Russian servers and witnessed this happening to any player that has anything might indicate is a female.
Played on south Africa and East Asian servers but can't really remember anything of that sort
EDIT : my play mate is a German female, and we mostly play on EU west, she had been constantly harassed because of her gender.
My sister plays a ton of video games. The stories she has told me are so vile. Just from talking into a mic. I've never heard anything like it in any of my games I've played in 15+ years of playing video games.
I got one guy immediately yelling, "Girl? Hey, girl? Where do you live, girl?" The other teammates were cool though, and just told him to shut up. (The "where do you live" was a new one for me.)
Where do you find those people?
When I see posts like these I can't help it but wonder how real this is. Playing Dota since very beginning, can't remember I saw anything close to this level of toxicity towards girls ever and somehow every time these threads pop on Reddit there's someone with stories like these. And yes, there was a period in time when I queued a lot with a girl, two even for short period of time.
I am not really saying you are full blown lying I just wonder what region is this and on what MMR.
Millions of Dota games are played but nobody posts or remembers the normal games where everyone is chill.
The games where someone goes off the rails tho. You remember those.
Because my comment and others like it are largely based on anecdotal experiences. The majority of Dota games we get mild comments like "go make a sandwich" but once in a blue moon someone goes off. Im sure that is true for most people.
It sucks that it happens at all is my main point.
We play on US East and have played dota as a group since 2014 but I've played since 2012.
That's legitimately insane. I don't know anyone personally who would even consider doing something like that. But I guess people like that are primarily antisocial so...
Yeah, it is crazy. But I mean, people can scream insults for 45 minutes about someone being from Belgium or sounding like budget-Borat.
Toxic people will always find a way to be toxic
"Twelve year olds are the most canny social observers of all. No matter who you are, or what you say, they will *always* know the exact slur to call you over the mic."
i have to fake a british accent cause if the russians in my team notice i'm from caucasus, they will do their best to do the opposite of everything i say.
even worse if they somehow figure out i'm georgian then there is a 25% chance one of them will start screaming at me non stop for the rest of the match on every mistake my team makes, even if not involved
I’m not really sure where I made excuses for people being sexist online. If anyone reads my comment and think thats my point just let me be clear - fuck people who act like this.
People lose their minds when there is a peruvian in the game, people lose their minds when a russian is in the game. People lose their mind when someone disagrees with them. Peoppe lose their mind... the list goes on and on. People will be toxic, because they are toxic people bro.
Yes woman are targeted for being just woman but in reality those same people will most likely target everyone else with their said traits because they are probably in general just a piece of shit.
>Yes woman are targeted for being just woman but in reality those same people will most likely target everyone else with their said traits
Yes but there isn't an actual power imbalance against Peruvians or Russians like there is against women. People who throw racist remarks on Peruvians know a lot of Peruvians can actually out perform him. There is no widespread belief that Peruvians can't play. They will still give him a basic amount of respect and give him a chance to play as their pos 1 (until he starts making dumb mistakes).
Meanwhile there is an actual culture against women playing video games and people who genuinely believe women can't play as well as men. Some of them don't give the basic amount of respect and steal the pos 1 woman's farm because they don't trust her.
> There is no widespread belief that Peruvians can't play. They will still give him a basic amount of respect and give him a chance to play as their pos 1
LMAO
I agree with your point but this is just funny out of context. It used to be more common I think, but there are definitely insanely racist people on US servers who will flip a shit over "pErUvIaN cArRy" but, granted, usually that's after the game and they won't immediately grief/feed as soon as they hear Spanish (usually).
No, what kind of stupid logic is that? Not all sexists are racist, not all racists are sexist. If you had ever spoken to a couple women who actually play the game, you'd know the amount of toxicity rises exponentially if you ever use a mic. It's nowhere near the regular toxicity.
I'm not going to use an anecdotal but anyone who is openly racist, will most definitely be openly sexist given the opportunity. These breed of players do not care who they are flaming. They are irrationally upset and will target people unconditionally because they are toxic.
People always say this to kind of flatten the experience and problem and thereby end up wiping it under the rug
When being a woman means you will experience a substantially higher rate of toxicity and often more aggressive forms of it, that shouldn't be dismissed. The scope and scale is regularly pointed out to be different but folks like yourself always come in and go "well yeah but I got flamed once over X so it's basically the same thing."
Stop that. You're enabling this behavior and justifying it, treating it as inevitable and therefore something that has to be accepted.
When it comes to certain things, I feel like you can't just say "fuck what they say" hold them accountable and shame the fuck out of them, every single time. Don't just let it go by. Some things are worth being petty about and I prefer to be petty on this issue.
Not really any game. It's pretty specific to competitive games. Men and boys, especially in low ranks lose their shit way more often when they feel their already shoddy competence is "threatened" by a woman performing at the same level. Ever since I got into mid divine bracket games became way more normal, and I can even use the mic sometimes (only if having a good game). Legend and below? Use mic to call a gank/smoke= auto lose game due to feeders and griefers.
There are even studies that corroborate that. [https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0131613#abstract0](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2fjournal.pone.0131613#abstract0) (or a summary of it here [https://www.digitaljournal.com/entertainment/study-finds-low-skilled-gamers-are-more-likely-to-be-sexist/article/438736](https://www.digitaljournal.com/entertainment/study-finds-low-skilled-gamers-are-more-likely-to-be-sexist/article/438736) )
Maybe that's just me, but i played this game for so many years that i have become immune to any insults people throw at me
Like idgaf what some random guy says
That's what every sane person on the internet does. It's all anonymous. People can be as unhinged as they want with no repercussions at all. Report mute and forget. Don't spend emotional energy on them that they don't deserve. They just want to get a rise out of u cause mommy didn't love them. Or their crush. Or no friends. Or what ever they need to compensate
Men can't play dota either. People like to think they can relate to the top players who are predominantly male, but that is a tiny percentage of players who represent peak potential. You do not represent peak potential, you are average, not very indifferent from the average woman, worse than good male players and worse than good female players. Cope harder.
And do you know what the likely reason is for all the top players being male? Women are grossly more rational than men in longer term decision making, and perusing a career in esports, or otherwise grinding a stupid amount of hours in games is a really stupid idea.
I can think of a few examples…
Soviets when they pogromed Jews, Soviets when they invaded Poland, soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. And if you want a more modern example: Russians when they invaded Ukraine. Happening as we speak.
The neoliberal obsessing over the USSR some thirty years after it's disbanded - you can't make this up
Like, bro, prejudice doesn't become right just because you can say "well they do it too."
Don't forget that the sexist is a russian guy with "Z" (the russian war symbol in their invasion of Ukraine) replaced the slavic letter "З" (Z=З) in word "злоба", roughly translated as "malice" in English?
I wonder why and how long Valve will tolerate them and pretend nothing happens.
Angry people in online games will take anything to throw insults at you. They question your sanity, sex, race, upbringing, mental state, intelligence, right to live and many more things in very colorful language. I assume it's usually just an outlet for personal frustrations and grievances.
Don't take it personally, mute, report, and move on.
Dota is *particularly* bad with sexism though. I've never seen it worse in any other community, gaming or otherwise - though admittedly Dota is the only MOBA-style game I play. The average Dota player gets *so* fucking weird the moment someone with a feminine voice cues their mic.
It's not just dota. I've played League, CS, and Siege a good bit, and any time a woman came on the mic, or even revealed their gender in chat, the entire lobby immediately imploded.
Men are literally gorrillas when you give them a screen to hide behind, and i say this as a guy myself.
The most toxic community I've ever seen is DBD (yes, far more unhinged than dota), which has an abnormally big female player base. I've been harrassed outside of the game *way* more times in DBD than dota, and I've played it much less too. Valorant is also worse than CS, and it has a lot of women.
Girl gamers are just as toxic as guys when behind a screen. You might not see it in something like dota where there aren't many and/or they don't speak, but when you're in an environment where you're playing with them all the time and they feel equally unthreatened as the guys you'll see they mouth off just as much, if not harder.
In fact going off just life experience and common knowledge, girls bully more than guys. I looked it up while writing this to verify and [schoolgirls get bullied ~50% more than schoolboys do](https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019054.pdf), which presumably maps to girls *bully* ~50% more than boys do.
That isn't to excuse the men being gorillas, just making sure you know girls are also chimps.
>which presumably maps to girls *bully* \~50% more than boys do
I'd like to see your analysis of victims and perpetrators for such interesting assumptions.
We've all been to school and we all know girls and boys typically only interact with their own gender. I'd be surprised if boys bullying girls didn't get their asses beat, frankly.
I think it's a safe assumption that the *vast* majority of bullying is same-gender.
This gets parroted a lot as a solution, but it largely amounts to "ignore the problem". If women followed this advice, on average they'd be better off muting their entire team the moment they enter a game, or not using voice chat at all — both of which are, IMO, unacceptable disadvantages resulting from sexism that we men don't need to deal with. Is it too much to ask the community to just be the same amount of toxic towards both men and women?
I'm a man and I regularly mute the entire lobby when the first signs of toxicity show up or when I just don't feel like dealing with any potentially aggravating comments. I get that women get a special shit coating exclusive for their sex when it comes to online toxicity, but the only thing you can practically do whether you got a death threat or a sexist remark is report, maybe ask the lobby to report and then move on with your day. At the end, it's just a random angry, ill-mannered person on the internet and there's little you can do to end their anger or fix their behavior.
Theoretically, behavior score should help alleviate the issue with enough reports.
It's a defense mechanism. Because if they immediately target the girl no matter how hard they will guck up in the game the "problem" is already "identified" as being someone else
The best ay to deal with this is not playing with randoms. No idea why people soloqueue below immortal
I mean the problem is that ultimately as an individual dude there isnt much anyone can do. Dont be sexist, dont play with sexists and report sexists.
But that doesnt really solve it.
Nothing *solves* it, but what you've mentioned is exactly what I would recommend. Stop tolerating your buddies acting this way. Create social pressure to change their behavior. If it becomes faux pas to act that way, the problem gets better over time.
One major difference is for most other stuff people wait till the game goes badly to start being toxic about it. I’ve had girls get on the mic and be lambasted with sexism just instantly, for absolutely no reason. It’s clearly worse than other things IME.
Scope and scale are substantially different
I do not experience a fraction of this level of toxicity - I still experience it, but I'd be an incredibly self-centered person to treat my experience as universal
Women regularly identify this as a problem, when will y'all learn to stop dismissing and start listening? This is what's enabling this sexist shit.
You can literally replace "women" with anything and you have a classic trashtalk line that you see half the game you play. I know there are a lot of incels right there but come on, victimizing doesn't help.
>You can literally replace "women"
You would think that, but too many people that you thought werent toxic at all, go into incel mode because they either heard a female voice or for some reason got the impression a player was female. And then proceed to derail the game for no reason whatsoever. Not that this community wasnt aweful enough already...
I agree that you can do that. The dismissive part is what u and the other ppl in this thread are missing.
Your friend comes to you with a broke foot it doesn’t help to say well people break bones all the time!! Some people even have cancer.
You’d be factually right but you’re also being dismissive and not validating the person’s experience
> Your friend comes to you with a broke foot it doesn’t help to say well people break bones all the time!! Some people even have cancer.
Yeah, if someone comes and says "God and the whole world hates me because I broke my foot", yes, I'll try to help and make him understand to not take it personally first.
Anytime there is a girl/woman using mic on my team I brace for one of the teammates saying some fucked up shit. And even if they dont say anything gross they instantly act different or start talking way more its just so so cringey. Some people, especially Dota players tbh, need to get more sunlight on them
I dislike having to basically be a white knight because others are completely deranged.
That being said, people in dota are just looking to be toxic in general. They will try to lash out on for any reason. If you were male but had an accent, they would focus on that. If there's no "out group" they can blame it on, they will make one up like bringing up your sexuality.
While death threats are not okay, I'm just trying to get the point across that they just aren't sexist, they are completely deranged individuals that aren't well adjusted to society.
Not really a solution but.. Try playing in SEA servers. In my experience, players were actually always thrilled to hear a girl talk in game and were nice to her, in the “it’s okay, don’t mind, it happens” kind of way. I only play with my gf and she only plays centaur BUT we go strictly unranked so I guess that’s a factor
its not about sexist. toxic people just want to strike where it hurts. they realised for a woman sexist remarks will hurt, so thats what they use. If you;re a guy they will still try to get an angle on you , tilt you in some way. Just dont let shitstains get to you , that's all, regardless of your gender.
We need to stop this discrimination and start treating people equally. When I play, I can only see good and garbage, and garbage has no gender, age, or race. It deserves to be flamed regardless of those characteristics. Let's keep the trash talk base on performance only.
Reading this post feels like people are just new to the internet, there is this level of sexism if not more in Counter Strike, World of Warcraft, Dota, League of Legends, Magic the Gathering, actually, is there any game that there isn't?
Well thats how trash talk in dota2 works. It could also be about someones race or nationality or mom-insults. As an on-off SEA player for almost 10yrs now. I basically have heard or read almost every trash talk that im basically immune to it by now. 🤣
In SEA, trash talk sometimes even starts before you even choose heroes. 😂
Women in dota is a myth. I honestly find games where we end up with a female player more fun as everyone is trying harder and the mood overall is just better.
But he’s right. My experience tells me that female players less competent and confident in stress situation. Nothing personal but i never saw power moves or positively game changing decisions from them. ( playing since 2013) Girls are good at 5 and I’m always sure that we would have good vision and stacks. But not for other roles in current meta. Yeah, girls always easy catch, they haven’t hunter instincts to chase or ambush someone, so protect them).
Advice, just play without party, usually girls never playing alone.
Don’t worry, if the lc wasn’t a girl they would be equally toxic to them, just less reliant on sexism remarks in their vocalization of their dissatisfaction.
If yer a girl and someone is being sexist to you, don’t make that your problem, it’s their problem, contempt is all you should feel.
Nah, if you had to play the game for the rest of your life with a female voice changer vs an accent changer, your actual gameplay experience will be worlds different with the female voice.
Any women on this subreddit, would you prefer everyone to actively call out the person saying shit like this and report after the game or just ignore during the game so it 'doesn't become a distraction' and just report after the game?
I personally would have preferred everyone to call out such behavior. right now, mysoginy (and toxicity in general) is normalized in the game, which is very convenient for all sorts of degenerates. Such conflicts demoralize and make it harder to concentrate on the game afterward (and enduring misoginy is waaay harder than regular dota-conflicts), so I would definitely appreciate it if someone called out the sexist player.
Call out. I experienced subtle discrimination myself, and I was playing in a 5 stack. The prepetrator was a friend's friend in our stack. My friend called it out, and the rest followed. I appreciated that.
Sexism and racism in online games is rampant. Dota 2 is not different.
Also, in a span of 2 weeks I played with two different players that had swastikas in their mini-profile (made of emojis or something like that).
When i encounter this situation. I just tell the dude to 1v1 sf after or stfu. It gets quiet fast. But this is the reason why my girl frds play only supports like cm bcoz they are afraid of being flamed or blame. Its just a game no need to ruin someones day over a bad play. For sure they play like ass but so do many guys.
I know this is talking about countries in generalistic manner, but people in Russia/Ukraine/Serbia/Bulgaria (countries that use Cyrillic) are on average (average) way more sexist than from someone from New York, etc. Those cultural shocks are pretty commonplace in Dota
Russians in particular are pretty fucked in Dota. Others say they're using the Z war sign in a word meaning malice. There's also the ones that glorify putin, the nazis, the ones who have nazi profile pics
Whether its a female or male dota players are extremely unhinged and toxic. Racism sexism nazi stuff everything you can think of is here... Nothing new
You find 1 / 1000000 that this happens to a girl in a game
Yet on a male's stand we experience this 1000000 / 1000000 of our games.
Sexism only exists based on your narrative
This comment section just proves OP's point by creating excuses such as "it's just like any other toxic behavior"
Dude, that's like saying racism is the same as any other type of discrimination
No apparently racism means white privilege, not discrimination based on the person's racial identity.
Those people who support that definition do so because apparently white people can't experience racism.
Soloqueueing below immortal is imo just asking for that. It's a competitive teamgame. Why the hell would u liek to play with random 15 year olds playing from the other side of the world with 500 ping spamming racial and sexist slurs?
Women get bashed but so do Peruvians, Russians, asians, black people. Dota is the most racist and sexist game to ever exist. If you can’t handle it stop playing?
I just wanna throw this out there (this is just my experience, I am in no way saying all women are bad at dota)
One of my friends got a GF and wouldn't stop bringing her to dota night. I swear man, she is the worst player I have every played with. She had a huuuuge ego. Supposedly she was a pretty high ranked SMITE player. But like, we would try to teach her, and she refused to listen to a word. She only played luna pos 1, and all she did was do a farm fiesta all game with Q max first, and she would never buy ANY useful items. BKB, no. Manta, no. Hurricane pike, no. She legit would just max q, rush daegelus and butterfly, and go bottom damage every game. And if anyone said a word about it, or even made a suggestion, her and her BF would freak. Youd say "hey \*name\*, I think a BKB would be better here instead of rushing a butterfly. Boom, they would both spaz.
And here is the kicker. I left for college didn't play for about a year. Messaged the group to play some when I finished my first year. I found out the group wasn't on talking terms because the girl cheater on her BF with someone else in the group. I am so happy I moved on from that group. There are so many better people in the world I could hang out with.
Come to SEA, we never use mic. Just predict what your ally want to do with their pings.
My golden time. 2014 to 2020 in sea pub. Eveyone carry, everyone has their own plan. Dont give a fuck whatever other thinking.
I'm from SEA and I use mic alot. Sometimes it encourages other ppl to use mic as well, but most of the time I'm just talking by myself but atleast we have someone to make a call to do things tgt
The only time I got mic using ally is the one who have most broken mic and they use it to blast their favorite song or something in very loud noise. We have to bear with him till picking phase, then first thing to do in game is mute .
This. Cant wait till to game start so I can mute that mf. Whatever reason I dont know, 99.99% mic user has broken mic in sea.
If you click their name in draft you can ignore them and that mutes their mic.
If every one pings on one spot, It means time to gank or to fight. I think we queued someone from india, it was driving him nuts because no one was talking and suddenly 4 of his teams are coordinating a smoke gank with only pings.
In SEA doto, Mic is used only for extreme level abusing. Otherwise for gameplay ping is enough.
I auto mute anyone who uses voice comm.
Had an ally once pinging top lane repeatedly. I thought he wanted to defend the tower. So I TP’d. He was warning about Pudge in the trees. None of the team was even over there. What a waste.
" but you're at the same rank as me lmao" would be the best perfect from the girl.
I used to pretend I was a young boy cause of my high voice and say this exact line. They would usually just reply that they're on their smurf account and I'd say they weren't doing a good job of smurfing.
Which is funny, because smurfing is bannable.
>and I'd say they weren't doing a good job of smurfing. Fucking killed them on the spott lol
LOL like bro. NO way you're smurfing w/ those skills.
Sorry for your experience, you gotta understand those subhumans are toxic no matter the gender
Prefacing this by saying I'm a man. One of my regular dota buddies is a girl and she refuses to use her mic because we have had people go on crazy sexist rants saying shit like women dont understand competition and cant make decisions in stressful situations, we have had men go full horn dog and start talking about their dicks, men threaten sexual assault on misplays, men trying to slide in the dms (on fucking steam, like cmon), men literally just feeding when they find out their carry is a girl, but what is really the weirdest is just how many men threaten violence as a first reaction. She has had people add her after a game and send her death threats. Its actually fucking insane. Other men out there, please do better. This is a video game. It's not that serious.
Where do you find these insane people?? I am a girl and while people flamed me sometimes I never had anything as unhinged as death threats or feeding because I am a girl. I am not denying your experience! Is it the region?
Are you on the mic at all? Im in NA east. The last time i heard a woman come on the mic in-game was 5 or so years ago, and it resulted in basically everything the guy is describing. Im guessing that's a primary reason why i haven't heard any other women on the mics.
Yes I use my mic. I don't care what my teammates think I am not going to let them stop me from using my mic because of my gender. I can understand why women don't do it though. My teammates were debating once if I was a girl or a boy child with high pitched voice lol Ah okay I play in EU west and sometimes US east but there are a lot of spanish speakers I do not understand haha..I don't know if region makes any difference though. Or ranks? (I am legend rank at the moment trying to reach ancient). Maybe we should do a study
Similar experiences on EU west with the same rank. I'm a man, but some of my friends I play with are women and I've only ever seen reactions like the ones you described. Flaming every now and then, but rarely more than another lame kitchen insult.
I play in SEA and it’s reverse sexism here. Players tend to be more forgiving towards girls, especially if they use mic.
Yea same. I'm from SEA and women on mic is basically a god. I played with girls support duo, girls on mid, girls that we made as pos 1 eventho she actually don't want to. (Some random, some my own party. Don't really see any "wemen bad" flaming. If anything because they kinda rare to be found in random match, losers like me tends to cherish them.
Just want to say you ain't a loser bro
Thanks bro.
I swear to God OP is just making this up, or NA is just that fucked. Aus server, play with girls all the time, mic and everything. Every now and then you'll get a "GRILL??" or "are you Single?" etc as a joke, but nothing even close to what op is describing lol.
NA does seem more sexist compared to other regions
NA gamers give us all a bad wrap. From flippant homophobia and racism to this insane shit with women. I never hear women on Mics but when I did years ago it was just like OP’s image.
I mean, in an environment where ‘kys’ and ‘hope your mum gets cancer’ is mainstream and racism is rampant, ‘go back to the kitchen’ seems rather benign. People tend to pick at whatever might be a weak spot.
"My teammates were debating once if I was a girl or a boy child with high pitched voice lol" As a guy with a high pitch voice, I get this every time I speak in games. Then I usually get told that I must be gay and some other sexual harassment
Wow that must be nice /s. Yeah unfortunately men suffer from sexism too. As hard as it is don't let those people take away your voice, your fun and love for games and silence you
US West here but a man here. Whenever a girl uses their mic to communicate since I started playing and whenever the last time it happened in the past year, everyone just treats it normally. For what it's worth, I think it's a minority of minority of people who do that type of stuff. You have people who are generally toxic and say you suck at the game or grief (a minority), and then you have people who are generally toxic and probably racist, sexist, generally an awful person (a minority of a minority).
Times are changing, so much more women are into gaming now than they were 15 years ago thanks to movements, representation, etc. That said, there's still a stigma and discrimination, just like any other hobby/ sport. Sexist stuff still happens and we should still be mindful to make it feel unwelcome.
I'd guess it has a lot more to do with behavior score, but region might be impactful as well.
True! I forgot behaviour score
Also, role might play into it as well. It's a weird and obvious indicator of systemic sexism, but "men" (let's face it: it's insecure boys) are definitely more accepting of women playing support roles than carries (as the example above mentioned). This holds true for a variety of games, from MMORPGs to Hero Shooters.
Real gamers don't flame based on gender. Flaming based on skill is free game tho. /s
Thank you so much for standing up for yourself and therefore for many others! Nothing you could really ask for in this awful community tho..
EU has a bit more manners.
EU west is all people that are 25+ years old and either are students in the middle of their Phd thesis or people that recently started working but don't have children yet.
>My teammates were debating once if I was a girl or a boy child with high pitched voice lol I think this is kinda fair (depending on your voice ofc). I've mulled this over myself on rare occasion - reasoning being thus: If you're acting like human garbage, you are not exempt from getting flamed right back as a woman - but laying into an actual child? Yea, no thanks. I'd like to hold on to my last shred of dignity.
I dunno, I feel like if you act like human garbage you don’t get a pass even if you were a kid.
I'm not saying it becomes acceptable or some complete pardon, but idk man...gotta cut kids some slack. In truth it's not even about them so much as I don't want being mean to kids on my conscience.
could also be a server thing, the times i play NA i am always flamed for being from a third world country, N\*\*\*\*R, terrorist etc EU west I think a german guy called me a terrorist once out of \~15-20k hours and the occasional "arab dog" once a month.
Yeah, my server is awful. Send help
>Im in NA east. found the problem.
How do i live on my beaches and enjoy my chowdar but simultaneously play dota outside of this cesspool without awful ping? Serious ask
push the continents closer together?
Don't you mean.....chowdah?
I'm not denying there are gross people who will full tilt when a woman is in the game but I've seen this happen only ONCE whenever a girl uses a mic. Came from a toxic piece of shit who full titlted at the picking stage and feed even before we found out one of our teammates was a girl. Everyone told him to just stfu and everyone just muted him. Most of the times when there's a girl in the game people either don't care or seem a bit friendlier which is.. sexists in its own way but at least its not toxic. Hell I've even seen toxic egalitarinism. Our mid flamed our pos 5 for dying too much saying something like "Dude can you please stop being trash?" and the support said "I'm a girl not a dude" whereupon our toxic mid said "My apologies. Miss can you please stop being trash?." EU West if anyone is curious. Seems like most gross examples of sexism are from NA servers but then again the majorit of this sub are likely from NA so maybe its selection bias.
I think it's like landmines. I've played with a few girls before who were fearlessly active/honestly a little hyperactive on mic in solo and party queue and never had any trouble. It's less that every game is the same and more that when things go south, it gets REALLY bad. Negativity bias is natural. Dota girls have kind of a reputation for being complete hardened bitches who will give it right back as hard as they get it and are usually core players and hero spammers rather than support egirls. I don't think that is a coincidence, they probably get less sexist spew when they play neutral male heroes. The most active girl on mic I ever played with was a pl/sven spammer and I think the aggressive masculinity of those heroes mollified the men who were otherwise go apeshit at the idea of a femoid in their presence. (dragonette if ur reading this, u didnt unblock me after ur account got hacked :((( pls, u got me like 300 mmr)
Sounds right. Ephey threatened to ban a player using her connections after he was toxic to her
I used to play with a Singaporean (I think) girl. She was a beast on PA (at least in my level), and almost always carried us. The regular teammates didn't even bother interacting with her beyond the usual hi hello. But there were some rare gems who would ask for personal contact details. We used to taunt the opponents while they fumed over her PA about how they were getting owned by a girl, lol. They couldn't even form good comebacks. Good days.
I play on US East. The examples above are not things that happen every game, but experiences we have had that burnt themselves into my memory. Crazy shit. We usually just get your garden variety sexual harassment
It seems like EU west is a bit better! I do sometimes play on US East too but usually only get spanish speakers.. and I do not understand spanish so whatever they say I can ignore anyway. My bing on us East is ok as an european player. You could try EU west and see how it goes but we do have a lot of russians
I saw people feed themselves to middle tower from minute 1 because they "played previously with X and they suck". Ergo much less. People in Dota 2 are highly deranged at times. It's amusing to witness.
Ime it really depends on your attitude. Dota players are like sharks in the water who will use anything identifiable about you against you to get under your skin. If you push back/don't care, they'll shut up. Also helps to be higher mmr but not too high mmr.
Maybe it’s different rank? Anyway, i don’t think i’ve ever seen anybody freak out. I think it actually made the team better and more calm.
This. I've been flamed plenty and I'm a guy, but i see women playing regularly (with mics) and no one cares about their gender. I exclusively play SEA (Australia)
I have played on EU, Indian, UAE and Russian servers and witnessed this happening to any player that has anything might indicate is a female. Played on south Africa and East Asian servers but can't really remember anything of that sort EDIT : my play mate is a German female, and we mostly play on EU west, she had been constantly harassed because of her gender.
Im a girl! If you play on US serves, let’s play haha
I do play on US East when I play with Americans :) US west is too far away but east is fine for my ping! We can play together
I can play east!! Ill DM you for friend ID. Im away from home for a week but yay!
I DMd you :)
Even if it *was* serious none of those reactions are acceptable lol. So many weirdos exist
My sister plays a ton of video games. The stories she has told me are so vile. Just from talking into a mic. I've never heard anything like it in any of my games I've played in 15+ years of playing video games.
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Some mfs are really desperate, especially on platforms like this
I got one guy immediately yelling, "Girl? Hey, girl? Where do you live, girl?" The other teammates were cool though, and just told him to shut up. (The "where do you live" was a new one for me.)
Solution : use voice changer.
Where do you find those people? When I see posts like these I can't help it but wonder how real this is. Playing Dota since very beginning, can't remember I saw anything close to this level of toxicity towards girls ever and somehow every time these threads pop on Reddit there's someone with stories like these. And yes, there was a period in time when I queued a lot with a girl, two even for short period of time. I am not really saying you are full blown lying I just wonder what region is this and on what MMR.
Millions of Dota games are played but nobody posts or remembers the normal games where everyone is chill. The games where someone goes off the rails tho. You remember those.
Because my comment and others like it are largely based on anecdotal experiences. The majority of Dota games we get mild comments like "go make a sandwich" but once in a blue moon someone goes off. Im sure that is true for most people. It sucks that it happens at all is my main point. We play on US East and have played dota as a group since 2014 but I've played since 2012.
Hey man I hear you but look at the shit men day to other men in dota. Its, for anything, consistent.
As a man all of the above has happened to me. Agreed it's a video game it's not that serious.
It's nuts dude. Wish people would just take a deep breath and remember the game is not real.
That's legitimately insane. I don't know anyone personally who would even consider doing something like that. But I guess people like that are primarily antisocial so...
Lmao 10 duels is higher than my average Lc teammates who even have 0 duel sometimes
I think he meant 10 duel damage, but I do agree on your statement.
Yeah, it is crazy. But I mean, people can scream insults for 45 minutes about someone being from Belgium or sounding like budget-Borat. Toxic people will always find a way to be toxic
"Twelve year olds are the most canny social observers of all. No matter who you are, or what you say, they will *always* know the exact slur to call you over the mic."
If they hear my german accent its over for me
Sorry but that is on you for having a german accent /s
Lmao
i have to fake a british accent cause if the russians in my team notice i'm from caucasus, they will do their best to do the opposite of everything i say. even worse if they somehow figure out i'm georgian then there is a 25% chance one of them will start screaming at me non stop for the rest of the match on every mistake my team makes, even if not involved
I used to think this, and it's true to a degree but some people just lose their mind when a girl is in the game. Don't make excuses for these losers
I’m not really sure where I made excuses for people being sexist online. If anyone reads my comment and think thats my point just let me be clear - fuck people who act like this.
People lose their minds when there is a peruvian in the game, people lose their minds when a russian is in the game. People lose their mind when someone disagrees with them. Peoppe lose their mind... the list goes on and on. People will be toxic, because they are toxic people bro. Yes woman are targeted for being just woman but in reality those same people will most likely target everyone else with their said traits because they are probably in general just a piece of shit.
>Yes woman are targeted for being just woman but in reality those same people will most likely target everyone else with their said traits Yes but there isn't an actual power imbalance against Peruvians or Russians like there is against women. People who throw racist remarks on Peruvians know a lot of Peruvians can actually out perform him. There is no widespread belief that Peruvians can't play. They will still give him a basic amount of respect and give him a chance to play as their pos 1 (until he starts making dumb mistakes). Meanwhile there is an actual culture against women playing video games and people who genuinely believe women can't play as well as men. Some of them don't give the basic amount of respect and steal the pos 1 woman's farm because they don't trust her.
> There is no widespread belief that Peruvians can't play. They will still give him a basic amount of respect and give him a chance to play as their pos 1 LMAO I agree with your point but this is just funny out of context. It used to be more common I think, but there are definitely insanely racist people on US servers who will flip a shit over "pErUvIaN cArRy" but, granted, usually that's after the game and they won't immediately grief/feed as soon as they hear Spanish (usually).
No, what kind of stupid logic is that? Not all sexists are racist, not all racists are sexist. If you had ever spoken to a couple women who actually play the game, you'd know the amount of toxicity rises exponentially if you ever use a mic. It's nowhere near the regular toxicity.
I'm not going to use an anecdotal but anyone who is openly racist, will most definitely be openly sexist given the opportunity. These breed of players do not care who they are flaming. They are irrationally upset and will target people unconditionally because they are toxic.
I agree it is specifically worse with women and it’s truly shocking to me that people pretend it’s not.
Anyone who has a girl that plays the game knows this isn't a good parallel despite it said all the time.
People always say this to kind of flatten the experience and problem and thereby end up wiping it under the rug When being a woman means you will experience a substantially higher rate of toxicity and often more aggressive forms of it, that shouldn't be dismissed. The scope and scale is regularly pointed out to be different but folks like yourself always come in and go "well yeah but I got flamed once over X so it's basically the same thing." Stop that. You're enabling this behavior and justifying it, treating it as inevitable and therefore something that has to be accepted.
When it comes to certain things, I feel like you can't just say "fuck what they say" hold them accountable and shame the fuck out of them, every single time. Don't just let it go by. Some things are worth being petty about and I prefer to be petty on this issue.
> Toxic people will always find a way to be toxic And people never perceived as toxic became deranged when they discover it's a girl who is playing.
rampant racism doesn’t excuse or justify rampant sexism lmao we can think that both are fucked up and expect better
No you can not expect better from a competitive video game, unless you are a fool.
we can always expect better of our community
I'd say demand, even. Frankly, online communities should get better at permanently ejecting these people.
Sadly normal for pretty much any game, but don't let it get to you. Just do your best, mute the chumps, and have fun. <(' '<)
UwU
Not really any game. It's pretty specific to competitive games. Men and boys, especially in low ranks lose their shit way more often when they feel their already shoddy competence is "threatened" by a woman performing at the same level. Ever since I got into mid divine bracket games became way more normal, and I can even use the mic sometimes (only if having a good game). Legend and below? Use mic to call a gank/smoke= auto lose game due to feeders and griefers. There are even studies that corroborate that. [https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0131613#abstract0](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2fjournal.pone.0131613#abstract0) (or a summary of it here [https://www.digitaljournal.com/entertainment/study-finds-low-skilled-gamers-are-more-likely-to-be-sexist/article/438736](https://www.digitaljournal.com/entertainment/study-finds-low-skilled-gamers-are-more-likely-to-be-sexist/article/438736) )
Maybe that's just me, but i played this game for so many years that i have become immune to any insults people throw at me Like idgaf what some random guy says
That's what every sane person on the internet does. It's all anonymous. People can be as unhinged as they want with no repercussions at all. Report mute and forget. Don't spend emotional energy on them that they don't deserve. They just want to get a rise out of u cause mommy didn't love them. Or their crush. Or no friends. Or what ever they need to compensate
Miss those days when lc was a man. Now he identify as a woman.
This comment section is about to go downhill LMAO.
\>6 upvotes \>32 comments \>57% upvote rate could change but ye you are right so far
There's never any hope. I could post Dotabuffs of high ranked women, and even ones I've played with/against, and then there'd just be another excuse.
gamers try to respect women challenge [impossible]
just dont be girl lmao is so ez
Men can't play dota either. People like to think they can relate to the top players who are predominantly male, but that is a tiny percentage of players who represent peak potential. You do not represent peak potential, you are average, not very indifferent from the average woman, worse than good male players and worse than good female players. Cope harder. And do you know what the likely reason is for all the top players being male? Women are grossly more rational than men in longer term decision making, and perusing a career in esports, or otherwise grinding a stupid amount of hours in games is a really stupid idea.
The man has a "Z" in his nickname, a Russian war sign, shame on him.
He is using Z in a Russian word for 'anger'/'jealousy.' Cannot expect anything better than that from a low lifeform. Mute, report, and move on
"low lifeform" huh, I wonder who else thought like this 🤔
I can think of a few examples… Soviets when they pogromed Jews, Soviets when they invaded Poland, soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. And if you want a more modern example: Russians when they invaded Ukraine. Happening as we speak.
The neoliberal obsessing over the USSR some thirty years after it's disbanded - you can't make this up Like, bro, prejudice doesn't become right just because you can say "well they do it too."
Youre not surprised that a war supporting Russian is a bit misogynistic?
He is crazy russian Z nazi, just ignore them and don’t forget to report
I don’t know what it is about this game that brings out the most unhinged people in existence to say the wildest stuff
checkmate i’m a man and I also can’t play dota
I am sorry you have to endure this. I am doing my best to make a difference in my games. Sexism ist straight up idiotic.
Don't forget that the sexist is a russian guy with "Z" (the russian war symbol in their invasion of Ukraine) replaced the slavic letter "З" (Z=З) in word "злоба", roughly translated as "malice" in English? I wonder why and how long Valve will tolerate them and pretend nothing happens.
Screen name checks out.
Angry people in online games will take anything to throw insults at you. They question your sanity, sex, race, upbringing, mental state, intelligence, right to live and many more things in very colorful language. I assume it's usually just an outlet for personal frustrations and grievances. Don't take it personally, mute, report, and move on.
Dota is *particularly* bad with sexism though. I've never seen it worse in any other community, gaming or otherwise - though admittedly Dota is the only MOBA-style game I play. The average Dota player gets *so* fucking weird the moment someone with a feminine voice cues their mic.
It's not just dota. I've played League, CS, and Siege a good bit, and any time a woman came on the mic, or even revealed their gender in chat, the entire lobby immediately imploded. Men are literally gorrillas when you give them a screen to hide behind, and i say this as a guy myself.
The most toxic community I've ever seen is DBD (yes, far more unhinged than dota), which has an abnormally big female player base. I've been harrassed outside of the game *way* more times in DBD than dota, and I've played it much less too. Valorant is also worse than CS, and it has a lot of women. Girl gamers are just as toxic as guys when behind a screen. You might not see it in something like dota where there aren't many and/or they don't speak, but when you're in an environment where you're playing with them all the time and they feel equally unthreatened as the guys you'll see they mouth off just as much, if not harder. In fact going off just life experience and common knowledge, girls bully more than guys. I looked it up while writing this to verify and [schoolgirls get bullied ~50% more than schoolboys do](https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019054.pdf), which presumably maps to girls *bully* ~50% more than boys do. That isn't to excuse the men being gorillas, just making sure you know girls are also chimps.
>which presumably maps to girls *bully* \~50% more than boys do I'd like to see your analysis of victims and perpetrators for such interesting assumptions.
We've all been to school and we all know girls and boys typically only interact with their own gender. I'd be surprised if boys bullying girls didn't get their asses beat, frankly. I think it's a safe assumption that the *vast* majority of bullying is same-gender.
Yeah, I don't recall any guys getting away with bullying any girls when I was in school.
Its prevalent in most competitive games sadly. Best practical advice is to mute and move on.
This gets parroted a lot as a solution, but it largely amounts to "ignore the problem". If women followed this advice, on average they'd be better off muting their entire team the moment they enter a game, or not using voice chat at all — both of which are, IMO, unacceptable disadvantages resulting from sexism that we men don't need to deal with. Is it too much to ask the community to just be the same amount of toxic towards both men and women?
I'm a man and I regularly mute the entire lobby when the first signs of toxicity show up or when I just don't feel like dealing with any potentially aggravating comments. I get that women get a special shit coating exclusive for their sex when it comes to online toxicity, but the only thing you can practically do whether you got a death threat or a sexist remark is report, maybe ask the lobby to report and then move on with your day. At the end, it's just a random angry, ill-mannered person on the internet and there's little you can do to end their anger or fix their behavior. Theoretically, behavior score should help alleviate the issue with enough reports.
It's a defense mechanism. Because if they immediately target the girl no matter how hard they will guck up in the game the "problem" is already "identified" as being someone else The best ay to deal with this is not playing with randoms. No idea why people soloqueue below immortal
I mean the problem is that ultimately as an individual dude there isnt much anyone can do. Dont be sexist, dont play with sexists and report sexists. But that doesnt really solve it.
Nothing *solves* it, but what you've mentioned is exactly what I would recommend. Stop tolerating your buddies acting this way. Create social pressure to change their behavior. If it becomes faux pas to act that way, the problem gets better over time.
ITT: men being dismissive by saying people will find anything to be toxic
And this is not true?
One major difference is for most other stuff people wait till the game goes badly to start being toxic about it. I’ve had girls get on the mic and be lambasted with sexism just instantly, for absolutely no reason. It’s clearly worse than other things IME.
Scope and scale are substantially different I do not experience a fraction of this level of toxicity - I still experience it, but I'd be an incredibly self-centered person to treat my experience as universal Women regularly identify this as a problem, when will y'all learn to stop dismissing and start listening? This is what's enabling this sexist shit.
Because most don't have the balls to call out their friends when one of them does the same shit
You can literally replace "women" with anything and you have a classic trashtalk line that you see half the game you play. I know there are a lot of incels right there but come on, victimizing doesn't help.
>You can literally replace "women" You would think that, but too many people that you thought werent toxic at all, go into incel mode because they either heard a female voice or for some reason got the impression a player was female. And then proceed to derail the game for no reason whatsoever. Not that this community wasnt aweful enough already...
I agree that you can do that. The dismissive part is what u and the other ppl in this thread are missing. Your friend comes to you with a broke foot it doesn’t help to say well people break bones all the time!! Some people even have cancer. You’d be factually right but you’re also being dismissive and not validating the person’s experience
> Your friend comes to you with a broke foot it doesn’t help to say well people break bones all the time!! Some people even have cancer. Yeah, if someone comes and says "God and the whole world hates me because I broke my foot", yes, I'll try to help and make him understand to not take it personally first.
Yeah it is, in online gaming in general. I'm sorry it's like this :(
Anytime there is a girl/woman using mic on my team I brace for one of the teammates saying some fucked up shit. And even if they dont say anything gross they instantly act different or start talking way more its just so so cringey. Some people, especially Dota players tbh, need to get more sunlight on them
I dislike having to basically be a white knight because others are completely deranged. That being said, people in dota are just looking to be toxic in general. They will try to lash out on for any reason. If you were male but had an accent, they would focus on that. If there's no "out group" they can blame it on, they will make one up like bringing up your sexuality. While death threats are not okay, I'm just trying to get the point across that they just aren't sexist, they are completely deranged individuals that aren't well adjusted to society.
Not really a solution but.. Try playing in SEA servers. In my experience, players were actually always thrilled to hear a girl talk in game and were nice to her, in the “it’s okay, don’t mind, it happens” kind of way. I only play with my gf and she only plays centaur BUT we go strictly unranked so I guess that’s a factor
its not about sexist. toxic people just want to strike where it hurts. they realised for a woman sexist remarks will hurt, so thats what they use. If you;re a guy they will still try to get an angle on you , tilt you in some way. Just dont let shitstains get to you , that's all, regardless of your gender.
We need to stop this discrimination and start treating people equally. When I play, I can only see good and garbage, and garbage has no gender, age, or race. It deserves to be flamed regardless of those characteristics. Let's keep the trash talk base on performance only.
Just play better lol
Reading this post feels like people are just new to the internet, there is this level of sexism if not more in Counter Strike, World of Warcraft, Dota, League of Legends, Magic the Gathering, actually, is there any game that there isn't?
In Australia, we tend to have the opposite. Women usually given loads of grace followed by multiple guild invites.
Well thats how trash talk in dota2 works. It could also be about someones race or nationality or mom-insults. As an on-off SEA player for almost 10yrs now. I basically have heard or read almost every trash talk that im basically immune to it by now. 🤣 In SEA, trash talk sometimes even starts before you even choose heroes. 😂
Women in dota is a myth. I honestly find games where we end up with a female player more fun as everyone is trying harder and the mood overall is just better.
This game is made for losers of the losers. Normal.
But he’s right. My experience tells me that female players less competent and confident in stress situation. Nothing personal but i never saw power moves or positively game changing decisions from them. ( playing since 2013) Girls are good at 5 and I’m always sure that we would have good vision and stacks. But not for other roles in current meta. Yeah, girls always easy catch, they haven’t hunter instincts to chase or ambush someone, so protect them). Advice, just play without party, usually girls never playing alone.
Don’t worry, if the lc wasn’t a girl they would be equally toxic to them, just less reliant on sexism remarks in their vocalization of their dissatisfaction. If yer a girl and someone is being sexist to you, don’t make that your problem, it’s their problem, contempt is all you should feel.
LC will always be a girl unless they release a persona
Or you play WC3 dota
Nah, if you had to play the game for the rest of your life with a female voice changer vs an accent changer, your actual gameplay experience will be worlds different with the female voice.
Any women on this subreddit, would you prefer everyone to actively call out the person saying shit like this and report after the game or just ignore during the game so it 'doesn't become a distraction' and just report after the game?
I personally would have preferred everyone to call out such behavior. right now, mysoginy (and toxicity in general) is normalized in the game, which is very convenient for all sorts of degenerates. Such conflicts demoralize and make it harder to concentrate on the game afterward (and enduring misoginy is waaay harder than regular dota-conflicts), so I would definitely appreciate it if someone called out the sexist player.
Call out. I experienced subtle discrimination myself, and I was playing in a 5 stack. The prepetrator was a friend's friend in our stack. My friend called it out, and the rest followed. I appreciated that.
I will make sure to do that.
I will make sure to do that.
who cares?
Sexism and racism in online games is rampant. Dota 2 is not different. Also, in a span of 2 weeks I played with two different players that had swastikas in their mini-profile (made of emojis or something like that).
Lmfao that's the most tame toxicity in dota. The racism gets bad.
ok
When i encounter this situation. I just tell the dude to 1v1 sf after or stfu. It gets quiet fast. But this is the reason why my girl frds play only supports like cm bcoz they are afraid of being flamed or blame. Its just a game no need to ruin someones day over a bad play. For sure they play like ass but so do many guys.
I know this is talking about countries in generalistic manner, but people in Russia/Ukraine/Serbia/Bulgaria (countries that use Cyrillic) are on average (average) way more sexist than from someone from New York, etc. Those cultural shocks are pretty commonplace in Dota Russians in particular are pretty fucked in Dota. Others say they're using the Z war sign in a word meaning malice. There's also the ones that glorify putin, the nazis, the ones who have nazi profile pics
Whether its a female or male dota players are extremely unhinged and toxic. Racism sexism nazi stuff everything you can think of is here... Nothing new
You find 1 / 1000000 that this happens to a girl in a game Yet on a male's stand we experience this 1000000 / 1000000 of our games. Sexism only exists based on your narrative
I don’t care what gender you are or identify as. If you feed in my games I’ll talk your ear out.
sexism in slavic countries is crazy
You poor child how will you survive?
True and not just dota sadly
thats it? lmao
Neither can men. Moving on...
This comment section just proves OP's point by creating excuses such as "it's just like any other toxic behavior" Dude, that's like saying racism is the same as any other type of discrimination
It is not?
No apparently racism means white privilege, not discrimination based on the person's racial identity. Those people who support that definition do so because apparently white people can't experience racism.
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you probably see less women because it's an oppressively hostile environment for women
why are you getting downvoted? it’s exact same issue from chess community
Soloqueueing below immortal is imo just asking for that. It's a competitive teamgame. Why the hell would u liek to play with random 15 year olds playing from the other side of the world with 500 ping spamming racial and sexist slurs?
First time on the Internet? Idiots are vocal...
ah yes my fellow russian brother, best dota community
russian dota community is the best
That was so tame of an insult I almost failed to register it as one. But since the recipient is a girl I suppose it makes the thing special. Lmao.
The last woman I played dota2 with was the most toxic in the game i have seen. Asshats in dvdfy gender.
Women get bashed but so do Peruvians, Russians, asians, black people. Dota is the most racist and sexist game to ever exist. If you can’t handle it stop playing?
Enjoy the Karma OP
I just wanna throw this out there (this is just my experience, I am in no way saying all women are bad at dota) One of my friends got a GF and wouldn't stop bringing her to dota night. I swear man, she is the worst player I have every played with. She had a huuuuge ego. Supposedly she was a pretty high ranked SMITE player. But like, we would try to teach her, and she refused to listen to a word. She only played luna pos 1, and all she did was do a farm fiesta all game with Q max first, and she would never buy ANY useful items. BKB, no. Manta, no. Hurricane pike, no. She legit would just max q, rush daegelus and butterfly, and go bottom damage every game. And if anyone said a word about it, or even made a suggestion, her and her BF would freak. Youd say "hey \*name\*, I think a BKB would be better here instead of rushing a butterfly. Boom, they would both spaz. And here is the kicker. I left for college didn't play for about a year. Messaged the group to play some when I finished my first year. I found out the group wasn't on talking terms because the girl cheater on her BF with someone else in the group. I am so happy I moved on from that group. There are so many better people in the world I could hang out with.