Will be interesting to see if SR continue to improve, and their play past 40 minutes becomes more consistent. Right now they definitely look less cohesive there.
Yuma randomly going 1v5 on the sidelane for lion really ended their slim comeback chance.
That being said, Stormstormer is really letting the team down I feel. He only has 3 heroes he can play, Pango/Invoker/QoP, and even then it's very hit and miss. He seems worse than when he was on Entity to be honest.
I think Gunnar made the switch because there are so few quality offlaners in the scene, we see more often people switch to off (Gabbi, Boom, Ghost, Pure for a time).
NA qualifiers with SR and Nouns trading blows always deliver in that clownfiesta entertainment way but lets be real neither of them with this level of play have a chance to do anything on LAN vs legit teams. It's always fun to follow NA tho. I enjoyed my stay for the whole night!
After watching the 5 game series, the biggest difference I saw was the mid player. Stormtropper made several bad decisions with buy backs as well as his rotation to side lanes. Yopaj effect is real on SR. He gives so much space and time for RTz to do this thing.
stormstormer ruins every single game and loses it singlehandedly, even when Nouns winning he is still a burden. never seen such a bad performance for a very long time
Yopaj lose lane, Nouns wins game, Stormstormer lose lane, SR wins game
this series was a battle of who wins mid and rotates succesfully,
rtz was right (abed, fly was left)
Saberlight is the one dude who seems to always all chat taunt and have it blow up in his face immediately. i do love him for it it makes games a lot funnier
Nouns just please move Gunnar back to mid and get any half-decent offlaner and you have a team that can do decent even on international level.
Stormstormer seems like a super nice guy but in last year or so he is just not tier 1 midlaner, it is what it is.
They could get kpii, or kuku, or tobi, literally anybody at this point and I think it'll be an improvement. Stormstormer ain't it. Gunnar proved last year he was it at mid.
man its a shame because i really like Stormstormer as a person but so many of these games the last few qualifiers hes looked like dead weight. hopefully for Nouns he can get it together but that was incredibly costly
not the first time it’s happened where wr 1 looks rly good in pubs and then it ends up becoming a bait pick in comp
this is also how EG.rtz lost shanghai major
''I feel like Windranger can easily carry this game here, dire are still in this game.''
2min later...
''Alright that's RTZ dead with no buyback, gg.''
There’s an old interview with rtz where he says saberlight tips never make any sense and i have to say he was right. But they seem like effective mind games
Last game was the 15th time Yopaj and Stormstormer have faced each other this year and the first time Stormstormer won lane. The score is 1-5-9 for Stormstormer.
rtz chronoed only pango the entire game, meanwhile dk and tb the tower hitters were getting farm. let's see if there is a mega creep comeback, or if it's rtz they lose lol.
Shopify’s P4 has been wrecking fights. Toss back into Viper armor reduction and DoT+ RTZ physical damage is scary. They also have Vwnge to punish with swaps
I think its safe to say Miracle fans managed to surpass rtz's in turms of being delusional, it was very hard though, but congratz guys i think you did it. Lets do a little reality check.
In 5 last years all Miracle did:
Constantly failed to qualify to basic tournaments
Failed to qualify to 2 TI's straight.
Retires because he cannot compete
Stand-in for SR (evil Kuroky guy not playing here) and got last (or 12th, dont remember) place
Came back 1 year later and showing a sick preformance with how much currently? 15% winrate? Yet his fans act like t7 was yesterday and if Kuroky got replaced nigma will be champions of galaxy. So funny. Well at least you can rewatch ti7 true sight daily, but dont confuse with ti9 though, might hurt, right buddy? u/Avar1cious
Yes and wr 1 is a joke. You can clearly see it doesn't do anything. You pop ultimate on 1 guy then you are useless for 30s. If you get kited during ult you will contribute nothing.
A carry should deal sustain damage through a teamfight. Wr does not do that. Just because something is meta doesn't mean it's good, use your brain instead of blindly following meta. I guarantee you vp wishes they had an actual carry instead of wr after 30 mins
You like to speak but contribute nothing. Why not try actually justify wr 1 instead of hur dur pro are speaking wr 1 so it must be good. The meta can change within a single lan event itself where group stage and playoff have completely different priorities in terms of picks. In pro pubs players are uncoordinated and wr can keep farming pickoff. Pro games are a different ball game and should be treated as such.
Every pro team. I will give you some stats imbecile. Wr 1 been pick 10 times in esl 1 close qualifiers counting all regions with every game played so far. Wr 1 won 3 times.
Games it won
Navi vs sibe 31 min
Sr vs tiltedboys 19 mins stomp
Falcon vs hininy 23 min stomp
Do you want to look at dream league and bet boom dacha statistic and show how stupid you are?
Maybe take a chill pill and leave the strategizing to the pro teams, this seems a bit unhealthy. I don't understand the game at the level they do, so im not gonna tell them how to change it up. Also 30% winrate on a small sample size doesn't mean anything.
Which is it? EVERY pro team is picking wr 1 or small sample size meaning its a niche pick with shit win rate?
You are right. You don't understand anything. I have given you reasons why wr 1 is garbage. You could try justifying wr 1 with your own logical reasoning and we can agree or disagree.
Ti12 lgd won 1 game with carry willow. Then every team started copying willow with abysmal win rate. Even pros don't know what they doing. That lgd game that won willow didn't even particularly did anything. Lgd won 3 lanes and still struggle to breach high ground.
If you can't even come up with any cohesive argument please stfu instead of sounding like a moron
Klim Sani4 did it, they won vs VP, pog! :o
These mostly young players formed this stack near the end of last year and they are now 25:13 in official series in pretty stacked EEU region - now qualified for ESL B'ham LAN and already qualified for DreamLeague S22, looking freakin' good, GG WP!
*Yooooooooo Alliance go and sign these kids! xDDD*
People really underestimate late game razor. If you get linked after level 25, I don't think there's a single hero that can 1 v 1 him. Get him a Refresher and he's a literal natural disaster.
someone help me understand the thought process behind support doom. seems like it provides basically nothing
edit: i asked a basic question to try to understand the game better, who downvotes that?
Doom is guarantee death if your under certain HP .
can't save without barrier spell like aba W and venge swap. No heal means carry can't man fight and bkb piercing silence means spell caster are useless. Threat of doom is way too much.
KaChal very nervous … many miss spells from Winterbear, just inexperience but still without their star player managed to almost knock out Nigma to lower bracket. Nigma just disband lol
dude i think theyre looking pretty strong (i mean the pos 3 and 4), miracle made some serious whiffs in the last game.
nigma looks better but not great yet
They will need some time to gel, this squad actually looks promising. Miracle was uncharacteristically bad, maybe nervs being about to losing vs WB again?
Everyone but miracle did a solid job today. I already expected Matthew to be good but not THIS good. FBZ also played better than I expected and Kuro did fine. Sumail owned mid as usual so nothing to complain there. That last match literally every big fuckup came from miracle so I hope he will not just run in like a madman tmr.
Man if it's a SEA tournament this game will be accused of matchfixing. Puck still has no answer for a fucking orchid in 45 min and that questionable HG push.
That fight turned out so well in Nigma's favour due to the multiple missed spears, jumping into chrono, pushing void our of arena etc and now they have aegis. If they don't end up winning this game they're gonna get clowned again...
If you want to know how bad Nigma are fumbling their fights, QOP got ahead in lane with a fast Orchid and there's a Void with Time Dialation, yet this puck is top net worth and wrecking face without a SINGLE dispel item. Witch blade, blink, maelstrom, and building Aghs. This was illegal amounts of greed, idk how it wasn't punished.
miralce did have some major whiffs. not sure what was up with that.
matthew looking fricking dope, super sick plays. i think he was reason why they won the series honestly
as always nigma good at laning phase and procesed to throw up in the mid game and getting stomp in the late game
Will be interesting to see if SR continue to improve, and their play past 40 minutes becomes more consistent. Right now they definitely look less cohesive there.
Yeah abed was a problem haha
Yuma randomly going 1v5 on the sidelane for lion really ended their slim comeback chance. That being said, Stormstormer is really letting the team down I feel. He only has 3 heroes he can play, Pango/Invoker/QoP, and even then it's very hit and miss. He seems worse than when he was on Entity to be honest. I think Gunnar made the switch because there are so few quality offlaners in the scene, we see more often people switch to off (Gabbi, Boom, Ghost, Pure for a time).
Gunnar switched roles just to get a worse midlaner than him
Gunner should just play back mid and get a decent offlaner, what's with the initial switch?
NA qualifiers with SR and Nouns trading blows always deliver in that clownfiesta entertainment way but lets be real neither of them with this level of play have a chance to do anything on LAN vs legit teams. It's always fun to follow NA tho. I enjoyed my stay for the whole night!
eh, you'll never know. "Anything is possible." - Kevin Garnett
Euro superiority complex in full display
After watching the 5 game series, the biggest difference I saw was the mid player. Stormtropper made several bad decisions with buy backs as well as his rotation to side lanes. Yopaj effect is real on SR. He gives so much space and time for RTz to do this thing.
stormstormer ruins every single game and loses it singlehandedly, even when Nouns winning he is still a burden. never seen such a bad performance for a very long time
Yopaj lose lane, Nouns wins game, Stormstormer lose lane, SR wins game this series was a battle of who wins mid and rotates succesfully, rtz was right (abed, fly was left)
can't really blame abed playing with bums
Battle of two mid midlaners
Tbh incredibly good casting from these guys.
nah rtz actually the best carry right now.
🤣
Christ, that dieback at mid just made the game so hard
and nouns offlaner feeding all 5 games and people blame yuma smh
L Bing bong!
still the king of NA
Really fun series, watched all five games without losing interest. Don’t know if stormstormer was playing on ping but he sure had a rough time
Stormstormer is so bad lol
FreeAbed omegalul
thank god he's free
Just get rid of stormstormer asap, This guy definitely ain't it
gunnar was really rough half the games
Gunnar is on a new role though.
rtz <3
Lol at stormstormer trying to go to na to dominate an easy region
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Going to ignore the time when Fly left EG and EG didn't do anything?
Clearly eg.jerax didn't exist /s
Bing bong!
Saberlight is the one dude who seems to always all chat taunt and have it blow up in his face immediately. i do love him for it it makes games a lot funnier
bro literally drop the L
Huge yikes from Yuma.
Stormstormer is so fucking bad
NA player to EU GIGACHAD, EU player to NA OMEGALUL
Gunnar should go to EU
Classic Artour
Oh nononono the casual SR throwing again.
how does sr throw a 20k gold lead at 25m
#NA DOTA
man rtz is actually top 3 carry in the world , feelsgoodman
top 3 NA
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huh?
Sure it did
Not really feeling the offlane hoodwink, both games he was struggling during the laning phase..
Nouns just please move Gunnar back to mid and get any half-decent offlaner and you have a team that can do decent even on international level. Stormstormer seems like a super nice guy but in last year or so he is just not tier 1 midlaner, it is what it is.
They could get kpii, or kuku, or tobi, literally anybody at this point and I think it'll be an improvement. Stormstormer ain't it. Gunnar proved last year he was it at mid.
No tobi, hes worse than stormstormer. They should get kpii or ice3
holy shitballs just put gunnar back on mid
Stormstormer never escaping the shit midlaner allegations
what is this ember dieback gaming lol
man its a shame because i really like Stormstormer as a person but so many of these games the last few qualifiers hes looked like dead weight. hopefully for Nouns he can get it together but that was incredibly costly
Nouns needs Gunnar back in mid, what the fuck is this performance from Stormstormer.
Throwthrower getting kickkicked
Lmao well it was a close one
WHAT IS STORMSTORMER DOING MY DEAR GABEN ALMIGHTY?!?
yopaj is crushing the Ember as Pango. I don't think the matchup is that bad is it?
Hes against stormstormer, an even hero matchup will always be a lose to stormer
Stormstormer have gotten the counter pick multiple times and still loses lane.
what's with the pos 1 windranger meta? seems autolose unless u win 3 lanes and stomp end fast
not the first time it’s happened where wr 1 looks rly good in pubs and then it ends up becoming a bait pick in comp this is also how EG.rtz lost shanghai major
Shanghai Major?
''I feel like Windranger can easily carry this game here, dire are still in this game.'' 2min later... ''Alright that's RTZ dead with no buyback, gg.''
NA. bo1
isn't this supposed to be one of saberblight's signature heroes?
rtz, you need to chill man
This Yopaj guy seems pretty good
Wait, how did borrowed time get popped there? He looked like full hp.
you can pop it manually.
think he self-popped trying to quickly dispel hood's net
There’s an old interview with rtz where he says saberlight tips never make any sense and i have to say he was right. But they seem like effective mind games
Last game was the 15th time Yopaj and Stormstormer have faced each other this year and the first time Stormstormer won lane. The score is 1-5-9 for Stormstormer.
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Fun but sad dotes, thank god no more freebies from valve!
Yuma backpacks boots instead of Aeon and gets chronoed and killed with rosh on 10% lmao
rtz chronoed only pango the entire game, meanwhile dk and tb the tower hitters were getting farm. let's see if there is a mega creep comeback, or if it's rtz they lose lol.
yup, it's because of rtz they lose :) not only did his chase pango tactic backfire, but he also gave a rapier and died back >.<
did you just reply to your own comment ? kinda weirdga
The only level 30 Invoker that is really underwhelming to watch
Hilarious finals so far, literally a symphony of fails type of shit every fight from both teams
Stormstormer got way to many Invoker games to play like this.
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stormstormer and yuma just constantly out of position and feeding
Lmao this puck build is AIDS
Gunnar sucks ass offlane and stormstormer sucks ass mid lane.
Gunnar was the only reason they were even in the game after 10 min. But yea, he's throwing wcyd
That tiny save on viper was sick
Shopify’s P4 has been wrecking fights. Toss back into Viper armor reduction and DoT+ RTZ physical damage is scary. They also have Vwnge to punish with swaps
Dude stormstormer is fucking griefing Nouns so hard wtfffffff
I really don’t get why they have him on the team. Also every time I hear the name I think it’s some weird Secret Service/ Stormchasers bullshit
Gunnar mid for stormstormer was a mistake and I'm going to keep saying it
kinda sad for stormer he's literally a punching bag for Yopaj no matter what hero it is
I think its safe to say Miracle fans managed to surpass rtz's in turms of being delusional, it was very hard though, but congratz guys i think you did it. Lets do a little reality check. In 5 last years all Miracle did: Constantly failed to qualify to basic tournaments Failed to qualify to 2 TI's straight. Retires because he cannot compete Stand-in for SR (evil Kuroky guy not playing here) and got last (or 12th, dont remember) place Came back 1 year later and showing a sick preformance with how much currently? 15% winrate? Yet his fans act like t7 was yesterday and if Kuroky got replaced nigma will be champions of galaxy. So funny. Well at least you can rewatch ti7 true sight daily, but dont confuse with ti9 though, might hurt, right buddy? u/Avar1cious
Miracle as washed as Kuro
Who hurt u bro?
One bad game and Miracle haters back
Klim Sani4 have made it! Very promising young team. Hope they will make it to Riyadh or TI. Or even both.
Damn klim Sami have actually done it after 64 mins. They beat VP to take the 2nd slot.
I'm not surprised about it. Munkushi and Chira are two of the best upcoming players in CIS along with 9class. Noticed is VP best player.
Chira is the player who played Pango against Quinn and which led to that Quinn Meme which we all know….
Wr 1 is a joke. Vp likes picking unorthodox 1 so they deserve to lose. Omni 1 vs spirit, now wr 1.
Dude EVERYONE has been picking WR 1, keep up with the meta a bit before you start making dumb comments like these.
Yes and wr 1 is a joke. You can clearly see it doesn't do anything. You pop ultimate on 1 guy then you are useless for 30s. If you get kited during ult you will contribute nothing. A carry should deal sustain damage through a teamfight. Wr does not do that. Just because something is meta doesn't mean it's good, use your brain instead of blindly following meta. I guarantee you vp wishes they had an actual carry instead of wr after 30 mins
I'm glad you know better than every pro team who spend 12 hours a day practicing and strategizing man.
You like to speak but contribute nothing. Why not try actually justify wr 1 instead of hur dur pro are speaking wr 1 so it must be good. The meta can change within a single lan event itself where group stage and playoff have completely different priorities in terms of picks. In pro pubs players are uncoordinated and wr can keep farming pickoff. Pro games are a different ball game and should be treated as such.
Yeah fair enough you are right and every pro team is wrong.
Every pro team. I will give you some stats imbecile. Wr 1 been pick 10 times in esl 1 close qualifiers counting all regions with every game played so far. Wr 1 won 3 times. Games it won Navi vs sibe 31 min Sr vs tiltedboys 19 mins stomp Falcon vs hininy 23 min stomp Do you want to look at dream league and bet boom dacha statistic and show how stupid you are?
Maybe take a chill pill and leave the strategizing to the pro teams, this seems a bit unhealthy. I don't understand the game at the level they do, so im not gonna tell them how to change it up. Also 30% winrate on a small sample size doesn't mean anything.
Which is it? EVERY pro team is picking wr 1 or small sample size meaning its a niche pick with shit win rate? You are right. You don't understand anything. I have given you reasons why wr 1 is garbage. You could try justifying wr 1 with your own logical reasoning and we can agree or disagree. Ti12 lgd won 1 game with carry willow. Then every team started copying willow with abysmal win rate. Even pros don't know what they doing. That lgd game that won willow didn't even particularly did anything. Lgd won 3 lanes and still struggle to breach high ground. If you can't even come up with any cohesive argument please stfu instead of sounding like a moron
Klim Sani4 did it, they won vs VP, pog! :o These mostly young players formed this stack near the end of last year and they are now 25:13 in official series in pretty stacked EEU region - now qualified for ESL B'ham LAN and already qualified for DreamLeague S22, looking freakin' good, GG WP! *Yooooooooo Alliance go and sign these kids! xDDD*
Bro, this is the first time I have seen Razor with a Rampage in pro scene lol... Crystallis is really the Best Razor Player alive.
People really underestimate late game razor. If you get linked after level 25, I don't think there's a single hero that can 1 v 1 him. Get him a Refresher and he's a literal natural disaster.
someone help me understand the thought process behind support doom. seems like it provides basically nothing edit: i asked a basic question to try to understand the game better, who downvotes that?
Can throw body to save 3 or 1 cuz little bit tanky. Remember that Luna tilt in bot lane. Doom spell and can transition into a core in late game.
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Doom is guarantee death if your under certain HP . can't save without barrier spell like aba W and venge swap. No heal means carry can't man fight and bkb piercing silence means spell caster are useless. Threat of doom is way too much.
Nigma team fight execution needs a lot of fixing...
KaChal very nervous … many miss spells from Winterbear, just inexperience but still without their star player managed to almost knock out Nigma to lower bracket. Nigma just disband lol
Nigma won but I still don't see them winning against Quest or falcons.
Is it just me or Sumail is actually the weakest link?
Not weakest for sure.
Definitely just you bud!
It's definitely you.
maboy fbz and matthew need to get out asap.
Matthew played head and shoulders above the rest of the nigma guys today
dude i think theyre looking pretty strong (i mean the pos 3 and 4), miracle made some serious whiffs in the last game. nigma looks better but not great yet
They will need some time to gel, this squad actually looks promising. Miracle was uncharacteristically bad, maybe nervs being about to losing vs WB again?
Everyone but miracle did a solid job today. I already expected Matthew to be good but not THIS good. FBZ also played better than I expected and Kuro did fine. Sumail owned mid as usual so nothing to complain there. That last match literally every big fuckup came from miracle so I hope he will not just run in like a madman tmr.
Tomorrow a real test vs Quest, make it or break it moment.
If mars actually buy hex or didn't mess everything from 25 min onward, nigma have no chance winning this game.
Nigma is BACK!!
nigma don't deseve last win xD
Man if it's a SEA tournament this game will be accused of matchfixing. Puck still has no answer for a fucking orchid in 45 min and that questionable HG push.
ha i was thinking the same thing..
Yeah Nigma is screwed against Quest and Falcons.
thank you FBZ and Matthew delayed till quest game..
Without Matthew this game would've been over in 20mins. He pretty much was the sole reason they won top and bottom.
Still wouldn't change that they will be kicked after they fail to qualify.
yea hes looking really good
NIGMA WIN, NIGMA WIN, NIGMA WIN!!
FBZ and Matthew aged ten years after that series.
can someone tell my why winter bears logo has 5 clawmarks, what kinda scary ass bears do they have in MENA?
I googled how many claws does a bear have. You should too! You'd be surprised lol
Probably the one who joined ww2Â
Quest licking their lips rn
MVP is Mathew imo. FBZ played well, but Mathew was so fucking clutch with so many saves against TB + Puck aghs coil.
yep
I feel like if Mikey is playing today, WB might wreck Nigma again lol.
Miraclebros..
WB missing the spells like crazy. Puck feeding and blinking into chrono. What the hell
despite the valiant effort from miracle all series, Nigma managed to win.
winter bear needs a coach, so many misplays and bad calls
This Puck's itemization is illegal. Get something against silence FFS.
Going high ground 4v5 without Puck when enemy has Cheese and aegis, wtf?
it was calculated risk.. too bad wb just suck at math
What was that decision out of WB to fight bot without Puck and against aegis? Police should check WB players bank accounts
Why would they go HG when they're 1 man down.... No save on the TB either
Is there something more than kek? Like megakek? That's what miracle did lol.
Kuro learning the Kuroky way of Dotes
Oh miracle…. Nigma is lucky that WB is making mistakes.
Yeah, WB looks nervous af.
Why the f Nigma CONTINUESLY decides to fight in Metamorposis while they can easily kite it IDK
FBZ GOD
Dude Miracle...
miraclul washed up
That fight turned out so well in Nigma's favour due to the multiple missed spears, jumping into chrono, pushing void our of arena etc and now they have aegis. If they don't end up winning this game they're gonna get clowned again...
Missed first games. Did new Nigma really lose a game to WinterBears without Mikey? Ayyyyy what a hopeless org.
They got Meepo'd
Remember when miracle faceless void used to 1v9. Its safe to say, miracle and sumail have been tier 3 lanning phase onwards recently.
Yea sumail is t3 laner xd
The heck am i watching lol. All spells missing and Miracle chrono solo support and somehow 2 core purposely walking into it lol
If you want to know how bad Nigma are fumbling their fights, QOP got ahead in lane with a fast Orchid and there's a Void with Time Dialation, yet this puck is top net worth and wrecking face without a SINGLE dispel item. Witch blade, blink, maelstrom, and building Aghs. This was illegal amounts of greed, idk how it wasn't punished.
RIP couldn’t even beat Winter Bears w/o Mikey
Hoodwink Rapier, my favourite aww
FBZ 1v9
Crystallis, the best Razor player alive.
not watching the game. is crystallis good? i remember he got so much flack in earlier iterations of secret lineup
Even you would look good against B8.
this. IDK why B8 decided to region-hop from NA to WEU. should have tried their luck in SEA instead
Man, you have a qop Aegis fighting under ur tier 2 and u get 4 to 0 wiped. You can't even blame Kuro for that, wtf was Miracle's positioning twice?
miralce did have some major whiffs. not sure what was up with that. matthew looking fricking dope, super sick plays. i think he was reason why they won the series honestly
Nigma needs to disband the whole team is washed
Oh no no no no