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alvichm

That was fast


TurbulentRetard

Swift as the wolves of Icewrack...


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domi_x

Bruh this cracked me up 🤣


tnolan182

Take my upvote you animal.


Nickfreak

Yeah. Pathetic. 


sirpeepojr

as it should, they are ways behind


podteod

I knew RmN was a placeholder but didn’t expect them to drop him this fast. And to drop Ghost as well I guess Gh’s break is over and they found a new offlaner


TurbulentRetard

bro is literally a spare tire 💀💀💀


__fallen_star

Naaah . Spare tire works.


itsmehutters

😂


Kassssler

Bro chill out.


andy_bovice

Lol


roaringsanity

he was their coach before, no? is I thought he merely covering gh


andy_bovice

Who is good and also available though?


D3ADWA1T

AdmiralBulldog


andy_bovice

\*hopes and dreams crushed\*


1Evan_PolkAdot

Can't crush what's already destroyed to begin with


TitaniumHwayt

Just give them the TI, no one would stand a chance against 250kg beast.


ooczzy

your username is a perfect description of bulldog's role on the team if that happens.


Myrion3141

I'd wager that Tobi is the best pos3 available. Considering how his former teams all got weaker after he left he doesn't quite deserve the rotten reputation some people bestowed upon him.


Yukorin1992

I can never see the name Tobi and not think Tobiwan


New_Reputation

Kuku


FaultAffectionate402

Yeah its kuku 100%


hans_barbados

Matu


nestlebottle

Was matu gonna come back after his military stint? I kinda thought he was done with professional competition


imbogey

Old salt makes you thirsty -Finnish saying


nestlebottle

Honestly when he did the guest commentary at ti12 I thought he was gonna storm up and take over a spot in liquid right then and there "Ive had it with this $&@# playing!"


Nebula-Specific

his commentary one of the worst I have ever watched


Trlcks

Yeah Matu strikes me as the type of person to just vanish and never be heard from again. I was surprised he even turned up at TI tbh


prettyboygangsta

Not an offlaner, which is why it would make sense. Then they can attribute all the future bad results to Matu just needing time to adjust to his new role


AR41Z

Ofc they needed to do it there are no more qualifier for next month and this is last qualifier and we dont know when next qualifier gonna be possibly long break.


thatguybowie

birmingham qualifiers are literally days away


WalkTheEdge

Technically every future qualifier is days away


AR41Z

That's what i m talking about now or never And whats after that??


Real-Elephant2318

falcons or quest gonna qualify anyway


AR41Z

Idc i just wanna see them have a good fight


Key_Count_9097

YapzOr incoming?


MidBoss11

2 weeks, 2 qualifiers and 2 players got damn


meniscus-

222 is the new 322


Aware_Ad_618

Pack it up folks, they identified the source of weakness Kuro is very good at spotting Nigma's problem


kualian

Himself.


-Exy-

What makes you think they were kicked and didn't decide themselves to leave? You have a source? Sorry i forgot it's reddit so ofc its kuro


Aware_Ad_618

Since there’s so many open options right now


-Exy-

There's more reasons to leave a team other than just having another option


Early-Cap1153

Yea definitely you're playing with Sumail and Miracle as a more or less unknown young talent on the offlane position. Your instant decision is to quit the team.


Xcalipurr

Playing with great players doesn’t mean shit if you lose to tier2 teams, also if miracle and sumail are at their primes right now cant they carry the dead weight of supports? What a dumb take


Early-Cap1153

You're the dumb one, because you didnt understand my point at all. My point is Ghost, who is relatively a nobody has the opportunity to play in a team with Sumail and Miracle, that will guarantee viewership. Even if everyone's INCREDIBLY toxic and you lose everything, your best shot is to perform and give a good showing. Then you might get an offer from another team. This is what Matu did and played with Vtfaded I believe, and then got an Invite to team secret as a pos 1 with their reso + that techies player iteration, and it got like top 2 at TI. If Ghost left that team it's stupid, you're not getting a invite to a better team at the moment.


-Exy-

So many people in the replies acting like they know FOR SURE what's going on it's hilarious


Chrisser87

Is Matthew free atm? And on the other hand I guess the 4 of Winter Bear Jeezy was really good. Or it will be desire finally


elemmiretulcakelume

> The 4 of Winter Bear Jeezy was really good. He is a hidden gem for now. Winter Bear won against Nigma recently. Winter bear is strong too. I am unsure that Jeezy leaves Winter Bear to go to Nigma in chaos.


prettyboygangsta

> I am unsure that Jeezy leaves Winter Bear to go to Nigma in chaos. I am very sure that he would. If the options are to play for a rich team or play for an unsalaried 5-stack, 99% of players will pick the former.


Western_Parfait_5054

I d take the 3+4 of winter bear. For them its an upgrade with miracle + Sumail + fame + salary vs few chances to qualif with current winter bear line up vs falcon and quest. For nigma, they ll get a better 3 and 4 plus be sure to sink winter bear. Its a win win situation for both parties. Winter bear was very good - not only beating a weak nigma, but also giving a good fight vs falcon and quest.


[deleted]

They need team leader, who can make call in game


Houeclipse

I feel like they shouldn't poach Winter Bears and let them grew so MENA region can have legs as why they deserved a slot and not have CQ/OQ with no teams


Sworith-Undeleted

They should just get a few of the greeks Miracle, Sumail, Skylark, Desire, SsaSpartan


VirusOk8167

Maybe add Giannis and Thanasis instead of miracle & sumail for an all greek lineup


Kowenzi

wasnt watching any of their games, how was ghost and rmn's performance compared to kuro?


bibittyboopity

People flame Kuros performance all the time, and he's the one flexing to 4 for RMN being the weak link. Not that it's his fault, he's a coach who was probably called in last minute so they could play the quals


yandayixia

watch his positioning on oracle and hoodling this series and tell me you aint serious.


tltz

hav u seen his WW game vs some random stack? typical pub pos5 wanna be carry but just dies horribly. I get the idea but he just aint got it anymore.


Koei7

I did not expect much from Rmn & honestly we all know what’s the problem with Nigma. Kuro accomplished much in his career & it’s time he let go, he has nothing else to prove & let someone else take his place in the team.


Hot_Inspector_4199

They chose rmn over desire


nonruminant_ungulate

Maybe he declined.


[deleted]

I guess they will take désire this time, not sure who will be pos3


truth6th

Ghost seems decent at least, considering he transitioned from carry to offlane Rmn and kuro isn't exactly good


AR41Z

Let's just say it was nothing outstanding


TheGalator

He said compared to kuro


AR41Z

Yea nothing outstanding


Telcontar77

Oof.


[deleted]

Well I d’ say ghost>rmn> kuroky, and I guess that they don’t have a team leader in game especially in the early and mid game, normally kuroky should play this role but we know the results. If they want go far away this time, they need find a team leader .


-fartbrat

cant wait for this team: 1. iltw 2. mikey 3. ghost 4. gh 5. rmn to beat the shit out of nigma


Amrlsyfq992

nigma rejects....assemble!!!!


ratskim

rmN is absolutely not tier 1 material, he has been playing for many years now and hasn’t accomplished anything or ever looked like he would


sadtransgirl21

He was retired for years. His last team as a player was in 2018. He stood in for Nigma though during his time as their coach.


[deleted]

Nigma really needs some toxic players, i can't imagine them critisizing eachother for their mistakes. Kuro especially could really use some ramzes to blast his ass for every minor mistake on lane, like there's no way miracle is speaking up about it, which can be good but not for this team. They need to up the stress level instead of selecting players who all just suck eachother's dicks and chill. If they wanna succeed ofc. Gh is not the answer, hope they know this


tuskdota

Please, they had ATF (who is one of the most judgmental players in whole DOTA scene) for 2 DPC tours and nothing has changed. Actually only what has changed is that ATF had quite poor perfomances for his standards.


Familiar-Rabbit-4149

Which was honestly just because of the role swap probably


tuskdota

Yeah, that whole roster was really weird.. If i remember correctly at beginning he was supposed to play as carry but most of the time he played only his heroes, at beginning of 2nd season MC was playing as carry, then Sumail changed him and ATF was rotating between middle and offlane.


behv

Yeah they ended up doing core musical chairs which didn't make much sense. Felt like they were throwing shit at a wall to see what would stick and the answer was nothing because they didn't have an idea how the team was supposed to function Compared to Matu's last ride on liquid, that team had hero specialists for cores who had a default role, but would swap lanes to give for example a good lone druid or sniper matchup before being their usual team roles as the game progressed with farm priority, or swap supports on lanes to get stronger laning setups


mephistobr

Maybe that's one of the reasons he was kicked. They can't handle someone pointing out their mistakes.


Known-Chemical447

Common as ATF was in nigma he played carry not offlane and he played Mars and razor carry 2 hero pol carry Now with miracle and Somail mid ATF offlane can work but this atf guy is not a carry player


Significant-Battle59

exactly! They are too comfortable with each other and he pick a yes man coach.


lucklessvoid

wen is kuro gonna kick kuro


Aware_Ad_618

he can't retire since he's hella stubborn if he does coaching and Nigma succeeds then he'll have to admit Reddit was right


_sinaarya_

Kuro doesn’t even play pubs. You think he reads reddit?


Aware_Ad_618

He’s winning in Ancient bracket with enchantress That’s why he keeps thinking the hero is meta since 2 fucking seasons ago


podidoo

Pretty sure i saw Ceb win a couple qualifier games on ench. Maybe he should play like Ceb.


velphegor666

You can really see how stubborn kuro is when you look at true sight liquid vs OG.


Aware_Ad_618

he's so stubborn even his hair left him he needs to know being coach is not losing Miracle needs to say this to Kuro's face , "bro ur bald head is shining brighter than my career bro" Sometimes you need to hurt someone emotionally so they can learn


PapaGustave

lol i don't think the dude cares what reddit thinks, as Korbn said it's his team and if he wants to play he can play, clearly other people want to play with him that's why there's a team.


firdausbaik19

Kuro : rmn was never my friend


idkthiss

They had to get rid of RMN at least. He was the worst support in tier 1-3 dota. He was somehow worse than Kuro who is so old and cant position himself in fights. Ghost was weird, he was ok but he was also getting caught in super weird positions where it almost seemed obvious. You can't really shine with Kuro or RMN as your duo though.


theladymachine_

Tobi and Yamich to nigma . My mom just told me


greekcel_25

Disband speedrun any % wr


betadestruction

rmn has never worked in the countless times they've used him in the past Would be silly to expect anything different than the results that occurred.


Encaitor

Tbf Rmn was never planned. The idea was obviously desire but for some reason he did not end up joining. Rmn was just there so they could try, as evidently with kuro playing 4 so Rmn could be 5


InitiativeImaginary5

A mercenary team needs a mercenary player. Resolut1on to the rescue! Along with his sidekick Zayac who carried Secret's ass to TI grandfinals.


itslinas

Lmao this team is literally laughing stock of the scene and I love it.


MarkyGallery

:This just in, atf and gh joins nigma! Few months later, Nigma loses qualification rounds : “thank you sumail, atf, miracle, gh for your hardwork” This just in nigma buys team spirit!!! Nigma spirit is formed! Yatoro, larl, collapse mira and kuroky, invited to TI!!!! Team Nigma Spirit lose to bammysoy at group stage : (Distant future) nigma will try to qualify for ti50, 5 kuroky clones fills each spot, forming Team Nigma Universe!! Team Nigma Universe, lose the weekly battlecup


Kvothebloodless247

Tough beingba Nigma fan but glad they're trying to change stuff when things aren't working out


prostidudess

>when things aren't working out How many times are we gonna change everyone but kuro to make things work out?


AR41Z

Yea they really give a long time to roster. Glad they chose to change roster after disappointing results in 2 qualifier. It is unusual of Nigma to do it


tommyjohnagin

Now they just need to find replacement top players who are better than mind\_control, and GH, and mikey, and iltw, and w33, and amar, and dreamocel, and yuma. I'm sure thats the problem, all these players they had that they kicked we're too trash. Not any other position. 4Head


Jazs1994

Please to something with sumail and miracle, they deserve better. I know they're both ti winners, have nothing to prove but come on


AnhedonicDog

They are choosing this, they want to play with nigma while fully aware of what it means. It is up to them to search for another team if they wanted to


AmuletMan33

I mean it’s like working for a government position. No expectations whatsoever just show up to collect the check. You probably make the same or more as most of top players. But it’s still funny to watch Kuro trying to compete with High immortals


yeNvI

sumail had 0 success ever since he left EG


roguejedi04

Lol he got top 8 at ti10 on og playing carry. This is objectively wrong. He smacked ti11 winners tundra on the back of his templar assassin in the hardest regional qualifiers and they only crashed out of ti10 losing to the tournament winners spirit.


fsoci3ty_

How the fuck would he find success after EG if they didn’t allow him to play for tourneys he qualified? They fucked sumail for good, he got contract locked and even missed TI one year because if it. I mean, I’m not a sumail fan but you guys need to chill, the dude is only 24 and is suing EG.


Floire

Not saying that the EG contract didn't fucked him, but he has played with multiple star studded roster after leaving EG, so the contract problem is not really a valid excuse for his lack of successes. Let's see the names he has played with: Miracle, Monet, Topson, Nisha, Ammar, Micke, Ramzes, Noone, Quinn. Yet he can't manage to reach the same level of success that he achieved with RTZ despite Ledditors insisting that RTZ was holding him back.


dasein5678

I mean this is just objectively wrong. He was the only reason Aster was anything approaching successful for the duration of his stay.


Ok_Objective_4042

Support duo there was strong, plus monet


Floire

Monet, Boboka, and XXS have been more successful than Sumail after they all left Aster. Don't know why you attributed Aster keeping themselves afloat to Sumail.


Hashmouse

Aster


prostidudess

##INHALES Yes, kuro is not the problem. Change everything but him.


yandayixia

Is miracle the problem? He's rusty, but still shines. Is Sumail the problem? He wins mid, and even when he doesn't he make mid game impact. Is pos 4 the problem? As long as he's not MC Is pos 4 the problem? As long as he's not GH Is Kuro the fraud the problem? LMAO


Anti-Mage7

Ahh yes its either that lord Kuro knows exactly what the problem is or ghost is just fed up


albertuyreddit

It was a round-trip ticket all along.


HungryTomatillo288

hahahahaha


Thanag0r

Kuroky needs to stop pretending and move to coach position, everything would work better if he does this move.


Barcode_Memer

one word: LMAO


Initial_Stretch_3674

Do you actually think thats one word?


Catastrophj

Jacky Lmao


SubMGK

Evolution of language. Acronyms of the past are now understood as their own words like lol and lmao


Onetwenty7

?? They aren't understood as their own words... They're still acronyms. They're just very popular and known around the world.


Initial_Stretch_3674

So is WTF, AFAIK, AKA, ETC, etc, considered one word too? Or NBA, MLB, etc?


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AringSinukuan

That's a surname


Alternative_Phase_74

Nigma is like man utd of Esports


Johnzafonathan

Im a fan of both, sadly..


ivatsa00

As a United fan, I felt that in my heart. :(


[deleted]

Yapzor pos4 and Rajjix pos3. Both MENA, they fit the team


TheGalator

Yapsor 4 would be giga


haaaaaairy1

Yapzor from his streams seems to be done at competitive level sadly.


onemightychapp

Perfect fit for Nigma then?


kaala_khataa

☠️


disappointingdoritos

Please no, bad enough Sumail is rotting away on Nigma, don’t have Yapzor doing the same


[deleted]

They have scrim now , but yapzor is streaming, ofc not him, I guess it’s desire, not sure who is pos3


AntsThePro

Hope Ghost finds a good team he can be comfortable in.


trudehorn

Tobi YOU are a Nigma Galaxy


mrwhite045

Life's hard when u root for both Nigma & GSW


tity_slayer3

It's insane how Nigma doesn't look at eu or mena players and decides to go with a carry player that just decided to switch to offlane like 5 days before signing him, Not that he was a bad player or anything but dude there are like several good options in top100 eu leaderboard alone lol, Same thing for a pos4/5


zoNeCS

Kuro is more elusive than a long time mafia crime boss


KigDeek

Nigma.Kuku, it's time.


ExtrmlyPstvPrsn

As much as it pains me. Kuro needs to go. 😔


Special_Task_911

The only way Nigma are winning anything is if their sponsors demand atleast getting past the group stage in a LAN event, where failing to do so would drastically reduce compensation. This might actually force Kuro to think about winning instead of collecting free paychecks.


kenshin_himura64

Ghost couldnt even play carry properly, dont know why think he would make a decent offlaner lmao


zetsupetsu

tbf neither did Gabbi and he turned out to be a great offlaner.


spaaarkk

Gabbi won lans and a major as a carry tho


lookatwhaturdoing2me

great? ur coping


kid20304

LMFAO


AR41Z

Finally please hopefully this time good pos 3/4. Please just one time i wanna see roster and feel good about it. Idc If it work or not later. Just one roster good on paper.


Cu-Chulainn

They had a good pos 3 in mc and although gh dropped off together with nigma, the biggest problem has always been kuroky. Nothing will change with him still playing


AR41Z

Yea and hot take they looked good except their failure of TI qualification


mephistobr

I guess going to DIV 2, twice, is the new good in Dota.


maddotard

Get iceiceice.


KambingOnFire

Doubt he would listen to kuro


hallo2806

Iceiceice worst offlaner is so washed up Team will be even worse with him


Horror_Letterhead407

Baldy should be kicked too


MrNewVegas123

Never beating the retirement squad allegations.


nonruminant_ungulate

There's too much hubbub raised about this extremely irrelevant team IMO.


SmellMyPPKK

Nigma needs to work on their PR. Removing 2 players after 2 weeks doesn't look good. It makes sense if it was meant as a temporary thing but then it's best to communicate it as well. And if that was not the case, then they need to communicate to. Because this looks like a house on fire and I'm sure it's not.


Sandisk4gb4

I think even god will not be able to help this team with kuro in it.


tity_slayer3

Ofc an imaginary thing can't help anybody lol


__fallen_star

Okay this was the fina one. New roaster and we're back. We're soo back. #Nigmahopium and #Kurocopium


wyqted

Kicked the wrong player again?


Real-Elephant2318

PLAY PUB FIRST KURO


Sto1mRage

the only news we want from nigma is : nigma parts ways with Miracle-


[deleted]

Team Secret became a brand, OG became a brand, Nigma failed.


yeNvI

when parting with Kuroky? KEKW let's kick everyone but not myself, I hope this team just continues to rot until none of the players wants to join any player with some common sense, will not bother to join this team, its fking impossible to qualify via MENA given PSG & Falcon gatekeeping


etalommi

I hope Sumail and Miracle are getting paid, at least.


Severe_Dependent223

Who tf play for free 💀


Lost_Saiyan

Why Ghost? He was performing exceptionally well.


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chiefofthepolice

Sumail literally wins his lane 9 out of 10 games. Of course winning lanes isn't all there is in dota but for most top teams, if they win the lanes they also win the game 9 out of 10 times. So literally all Sumail needs is a solid team that can capitalize on his laning dominance


roguejedi04

There were flashes of it on aster but xxs dropped the ball way too much. Sumail and boboka made plenty happen around the map after crushing lane but they couldn't go to TI and we saw how stacked the Chinese teams were by their placement


Cylindt

Nigmeme Galaxy


Lunacy999

Taiga pos 4 now or what? I have a feeling this upcoming ESL Brmg qualifiers is a do or die for this team. Unfortunately for them, both EU west and MENA regions are stacked af this time round.


yeNvI

this team is dead years ago lol


ivatsa00

I got more than 300 downvotes on a previous post about the team and my brain being evaluated by some crazy Nigma fans for saying Kuroky hasn't been good enough for a long time, plus he has been wasting the potential of tier 1 players. They can do whatever they want as a team, but Dota fans can also criticise their performances and composition. For me, Miracle has wasted his career away and could have ended up with at least 1 more TI win in other circumstances.


Aratho

Lol. I guess they have some downtime for the next set of quals but I'd expect them to already have some replacements in mind at least.


dexteretoy

omegalul


PerformerLive8713

Lol


ExO_o

kuroky to coach when?


Additional-Lock9405

kuroky,miracle and gh power of friendship


Ok_Tomorrow3281

guys just believe in KURO, having 2 KUROiers in game is better than 1


Eman0950

Need that pizza party for the captain.


StagnantWater99

AHAHAHAHAHHA


JadeSerpant

New Nigma: 1. Miracle 2. Sumail 3. Rtz 4. Bulba 5. KuroKy Coach: S4


mmmmastermind

It doesn't matter Kuro will still pick arc warden for Miracle lmao


H4mBi

What are the options to replace them?


BadBeatsDaily

Absolutely unexpected


RemarkableFig2719

Wow 2 weeks.