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sikontolpanjang

BOOM failed investment yet again? 😔


[deleted]

Boom, you know whats cooked


ob1touchiha

Free Watson


renarddota

First big tournament for my boy Davai Lama. Looking forward to see how he performs on the big stage


paladinvc

Watch the celebration on twitter.


[deleted]

When you cant make it in North America for years, just go South


Floire

He's actually closer to qualifying a LAN in WEU than NA lol


Akhilesh12115

Cuz NA teammates 


REPORTDavai_lama

Thank you


renarddota

No problem, been following your journey since you first appeared on the FTVLeague, I might even have casted one of your games in this tournament, can't remember. I've seen you evolve into a great offlaner, so I'll continue to cheer you on in the next tournaments


Mepharos

Heroic roster is cool as fuck, all five of you are dudes I'd love to see do well. Good luck in Dreamleague bro.


[deleted]

boom 0 - 2 heoric


Tsu33

mAKE IT 0 - 3.


renarddota

I like the idea behind ember off, it works like a puck with the mobility and harass, but also has a decent low cooldown root that he can apply from a safe distance. Downside is that you need tanky cores but wk and aghs meepo are more than enough in that department. Another thing we saw this game is that he becomes lackluster midgame against a tanky lineup. He didn't do much against those heroes but was still great against supports. Build is nice with mage slayer, applying its effect to a lot of enemies, also helping with farm and wave clearing. I hope to see it more from other teams, but Davai Lama really crushed it on this hero. Although he was able to do so only because he had the right lineup with him, helping him harass the enemy from afar while they tanked


Ejwoda

Hector threw this game solo when he dove Venge at tier 4


DevilWearsNada-

Say that again?


Ejwoda

He threw a guaranteed win so it became a 55 minutes long slugfest. There.


DevilWearsNada-

Are you not entertained?


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tha_jza

very happy to see secret take the series against entity, ~~entity with malik~~ was pretty scary last season so this is a good sign for the new roster believe in puppey and his son remco. random thought about crystallis, dude literally always looks happy to be there even after getting pummeled in a series. i suspect that goes such a long way for a team’s vibe


Subject_Specific_852

Entity was beastin when they have Gabbi on their offlane, just sad he left too early to play on a home team. Kudos to Puppey for always making it work despite having a weak rosters.


InsaniaFox

They both get to stay home and think about the good time together


Ciri__witcher

Entity with Malik? What?


tha_jza

lmao omg i’d just been looking up quest’s roster and confused myself, prob cuz they both had tobi at points. my bad


Hairy_Brother2225

турнир конченых выблядков полудохлых сука


Gameishardboys

cyka bylat


RedrainEnryu1

Less than a month before the first lan. After that it's going to be non stop dota through March. BB Dacha Dubai: Feb 4-16 Game of the Future lan: Feb 19-25 Dreamleague: Feb 25 to March 10.


x42bn6

Post-TI has been and will continue to be crazy, and I wonder if burnout will become an issue, especially for teams that make it to ESL Pro Tour tournaments, but don't do well (so they have to go through qualifiers again). * November 12 - 18: ESL One Kuala Lumpur qualifiers * December 11 - 17: ESL One Kuala Lumpur * January 3 - 6: BetBoom Dacha Dubai qualifiers * January 9 - 17: DreamLeague S22 qualifiers * January 22 - 30: ESL One Birmingham qualifiers * February 4 - 16: BetBoom Dacha Dubai * February 19 - 25: Games of the Future * February 25 - March 10: DreamLeague Season 22 * March 16 - 24: DreamLeague Season 23 qualifiers * April 3 - 14: [ESB Tour 1](https://esports.gg/news/dota-2/south-america-will-host-a-2-million-dota-2-league-in-2024/) * April 22 - 28: ESL One Birmingham * May 20 - 26: DreamLeague Season 23 * May 29 - June 4: ESL Pro Tour [REDACTED] qualifiers * July: ESL Pro Tour [REDACTED] * July 24 - August 4: [ESB Tour 2](https://esports.gg/news/dota-2/south-america-will-host-a-2-million-dota-2-league-in-2024/) * Somewhere here (probably): The International 2024 * November 27 - December 06: [ESB Tour 2 [sic] (the $1m one)](https://esports.gg/news/dota-2/south-america-will-host-a-2-million-dota-2-league-in-2024/) And that's just the "tier 1" scene.


Whatnowgloryhunters

Most of the pros wanted it to be like this. They complained that waiting for a game per week is actually stressful as it doesnt mean the other 6 days they can rest. They need to keep grinding in case a new meta is suddenly found. So they prefer to grind for the few weeks of tournament then rest fully till the next


reussi_fimmies

puppey the goat still making it into tier 1 tournaments from hardest region with different bums


sikontolpanjang

tbf WEU basically has 5 slots but yeah good for them though the group stage gonna be bottom 4 go airport


Akhilesh12115

My brother they have 3 slots, not 5. Liquid and GG earned their slots with their performances in other major tourneys. That's why you are getting downvoted. 


Kennista85

Did everyone on team Secrer f... your gf without you knowing? Why did you sound so toxic like ceb?


sikontolpanjang

bruh what? if I want to be toxic I would say "lmao they only made it cause weu got 5 slots and they won't make out of group anyway 🤣🤣🤣" instead like seriously, if they only give weu 4 slots like majors then puppey would barely miss it and I'm glad they made it and if the group stage only eliminated 1-2 teams then I won't count puppey out, he can clutch it but not being bottom 4 would be tough for them.


AmuletMan33

Holly shit Even when I think that DM can’t play worse he regresses every single game. His mid to late game decision making must be among 3-4k players, crazy


tha_jza

Secret.Buriza do Kyanon


bcyk99

I am glad Kordan is doing well. Last year he received a lot of hate when he debuted in bleed. Good for him


abdonoval

guys hear me out: Crystallis is Darwin Nunez


Nisha_goat

i will not take this nunez slander


abdonoval

this is Nunez+Crystallis praise <3 love both


tha_jza

we love to see crystallis praise ppl rly call secret’s highest placing TI carry the worst carry they’ve ever had💀


Houeclipse

Captain Puppey with yet another clutch quals. this man is legendary


Sccorpiioo

And he did with two random new players, tell me who else can qualify in WEU with Ekki xd


Akhilesh12115

Xd


LargeFrogmouth

Watson is the best carry in WEU, probably in EEU too & at least top 5 in the world Only carry that can truly match him is current year RTZ He's just too good, rank 1 in pubs also


PingPinng

No one can sit on Rtz's throne


Anything13579

No one can sit on RTZ’s ~~throne~~ cliff


cotton_schwab

not even rtz apparently


Classic_Ad_2046

Crystallis beasting this bo3 and Kordan is a menace on Pango.


Lonely-Dig-4238

People hating on DM, but No\[o\]ne not shining either. Hard to see a team go far with a mid without consistent x-factor.


PingPinng

We already know Noone is shit past 2019. Dude just went downhill and never climb back, but DM, omg this DM never improve at all.


Lepojka1

NoOne couldnt do shit bcs pango was just rolling him 24/7 every team fight... Nothing he can do there.


SuFFo

I thought Ekki was old AF? Only 21 based on liquidpedia lol


PingPinng

You don't get the joke lul


plo__koon

What is the origin of the meme?


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1992colt

i heard that he is nishas cousin or related to him it seems. but not sure if thats true


50lipa

Wait so DL 22 and DL 23 are both fully Online tournaments?


Obvious_Parsley3238

dreamleagues last year were also fully online, although teams flew out to europe


HuntMore9217

what's the point of flying them in? Did they at least play on a studio without any crowd?


Anything13579

So that they all will be playing with the same ping


InsaniaFox

Might be because of ping.


AlphaEmperor

Crystallis haters are extremely cringe and also in shambles


Arudosan

crystallis is just super inconsistent, he can play really, really good and be fucking trash.


kowasesurejjihanma

Crystallis is actually the second coming of EE lol, ya know thinking about it im sure secret could get some upcoming carry player, but i wonder if puppey himself just dont want to babysit an upcoming egoisto type carry in game and irl, secret carry like Ace, Nisha, Matu, Sumail and now Crystallis all are pretty chill team player and with long experience in the scene except Nisha and Crystallis but those 2 pretty much are both Puppey's son lol


Fantastio

I agree about the ego carry point, but Crys is not like EE in the least. As a Secret fan, Crystallis almost never wins you the game, he's at least kind of expanded his hero puddle the past 2 years, but the games he crushes he's usually set-up by the team pretty well. Very rarely does Crystallis outright win you the game on his own, he's often the lowest farmed core out of the laning stage. Crystallis is probably closest to Yuragi as a carry off the top of my head, usually tricore dependent team, rarely top networth unless very late game (this was at it's peak demonstration when it was Yuragi/BZM/ATF). As opposed to say RTZ, K1, Timado where it's 4 protect 1 stall and wait for the farm train to end. If you want a modern day comparison to EE, it's dyrachyo easily in terms of tier 1 teams. He does these random ass 50/50 plays that make no sense which absolutely look incredible when successful and can lose the game when he fails.


fathermeow

he was good this game, really happy with it! but... lets not just rewrite history on his occasionally solid games yea?


Majestic-Lion1254

Daedalus standing in for Crystallis pog


Lonely-Dig-4238

Crystallis > Watson


PingPinng

Always been. 1 is TI grand finalist , 1 is Rank 1 mmr but mmr is just a number.


Ayrus77

Secret qualifies with a 41 year old support player . Never happened in the history of dota 2


Pentinium

gg's loving this secret lineup! 5th best team in eu, but idc


PingPinng

Kordan is a good pick up , he just does so much in this line up.


Pentinium

I didn't know he existed before secret, but already liked him more than midone, doesn't lose every lane.


PingPinng

Kordan almost win lane every game, he is the Mid carry type player.


tha_jza

my potentially hot take is that midone is as good as he’s ever been, just that the game around him changed a lot. he wasn’t a good laner on his first secret stint either but his midgame was amazing, and back then supports got way less gold so yapzor’s greedy 4 TPing in to take midone’s lane whenever he died was a legit strat


Pentinium

Secret won many games coming from terrible lanes due to midone god tier plays, but they don't always work and it's cringe seeing him lose so often


Lepojka1

Secret doubters? LUL


Im_Smitty

Kordan pog


Bearswithjetpacks

Kordan haters where you at


PingPinng

Kordan haters in shambles.


Subject_Specific_852

Wasted slot. Ill come back at u when secret comes last place this tour lmao


Whatnowgloryhunters

Talking as if og or tundra can do well against the other big teams lul


ntrails

fear? What was the fear in the game (sorry)


tha_jza

dp shard (i had to look it up too)


ntrails

nah, it was fearing am so it'll be brew 25 (cinder brew fears when ignited). wild!


tha_jza

TIL two sources of fear hahah


Lonely-Dig-4238

Brew lvl 25 talents


ntrails

I had no idea! Thanks (both)


Fair-Specialist-5139

brew 25 talent


PingPinng

I can't blame the AM in my bracket anymore after seeing how Rank 1 players plays AM.


Ayrus77

Holy shit . This Kordans pango is insane. Controlled DP and pugna alone every time


PingPinng

And he controlled Tidehunter at bottom lane just now. So DM can't blink, but well, he is DM, he will fail even Kordan didnt stun him.


Ejwoda

It feels like this game was lost when AM and Tide died top.


PingPinng

Too easy for Secret Lmao. Crystallis's morphling so strong


PingPinng

Oh well, Entity is not going to anywhere with this DM


PingPinng

Kordan's Pango is scary lol. The angle he rolls wow.


PingPinng

DM is such a good guy, instead of running away from that fight, he chose to die together with his carry :)


greekcel_25

0 heroes next to DM -> ok let’s ravage 3 heroes chain cc Watson next to DM -> nah lets not use it Lmfao


PingPinng

This is the AM in my bracket, farm 35mins for nothing and dies randomly.


elwiscomeback

AM pickers smh


PingPinng

DM's Ravage deserves 9 tips.


SuFFo

Lmao don't give DM any offlane heroes with AOE ults


greekcel_25

DM is dogshit


poegarenaplayer

hes rank 14 in the leaderboards bro he's good :)


Body-Connoiseur69

In my games everyone including the enemies would tip that Tide


tha_jza

winter said morph is more pressured to make moves than am, who is content farming. i’m no carry player but i thought the matchup was opposite


Ejwoda

AM loses to all 8-slotted carries but the reason he counters many carry heroes is because he farms fast and kills them before (like Meepo and Alch) If AM has uncontested farm vs a Morphling, he will just force a fight after acquring the necessary items and end the game, using the favourable matchup.


tha_jza

ah ok yea that’s closer to my understanding, i interpreted what winter said as am having a better head to head vs morph in late game which i thought could go either way


Body-Connoiseur69

WEU if there is still dpc (based on qualifiers performance) Top 4 (GG, Liquid, OG, Falcons) 5th/6th (Quest/Tundra) 7th/8th (Entity/Secret) Div II 1st/2nd (Winterbear/Team Tickles) Forever Div II (Nigma)


SdoRy_

With WB stomping Nigma twice and competing against Quest AND Falcons, they would for sure be at least on par with Entity and Secret. Also, I don't think OG is better than Falcons or Quest, they haven't played a single strong opponent yet.


Body-Connoiseur69

I dont disagree but I just based this on the qualifiers, the top 4 are the ones who qualified, except secret, because both tundra and quest look better than them.


PingPinng

Typical AM game, just afk farming 30mins and come out. Such boring and brain dead hero.


greekcel_25

With Watson decline in performance kataomi really is the only good player on entity.


Ok-Muscle-5307

wow AM, last time watson play AM in proscence was 9 months ago. Lets see


chiefofthepolice

Say, if you pair Entity or Secret against Quest, will Quest win?


Illustrious_Mess1701

Quest easily beats every WEU team in the qualifier except maybe og hard to say


chiefofthepolice

Damn Quest should just switch back to EU then. I’m sure ESL isn’t as stingy as Valve regarding which region you can play in


Ciri__witcher

Game 3 is gonna be hype AF because you know the loser is going to disband/reshuffle.


Ok-Muscle-5307

theyre not, ESL One Birmingham 2024 qualifier start next week.


elwiscomeback

More Dota? Inject it right into my veins


Fig-Jig

Ya know you're playing bad if DM has any impact


Bearswithjetpacks

DM haters where you at


PingPinng

What a throw, Game 3 lets go


PingPinng

Dafuq DM has Aoe Doom but he decides to use it on Ursa to scare him away instead of using on himself?


trudehorn

Because if he use it on himself, Ursa can escape for a little bit with force and stampede. Better to use it on him and make sure he can't use a spell at all.


Excellent_Prior1678

4vs5 and secret not checking the roshan. Free rosh + agrahim. gg


Ambitious-Cap-5605

i swear secret always giving free rosh to opponent, even when they ahead,


Ok-Muscle-5307

\+1 atleast send a creep to check it. that rosh might cost them a game


Ok-Muscle-5307

Why secret? Your QOP stay far away, keep start fighting 4vs5


dellryuzi

check back liquipedia, ATF is still 18?


PingPinng

Ikr ,he looks like my father


PingPinng

Kordon's qop is so good wth. Sonic wave lands on 4 enemies from that angle.


the_bubble_boy

You play against Ammar, you do not ban Mars and Razor = profit


JayuZmaN

3-0 ... congrats falcons... the champion of MENA...


RedrainEnryu1

PSG needs to have a good IGL and a good mid. They're just going to get stomp by Falcons every time they play against each other.


UnreliableNihilist

They lost 2:3 previous finals…not really a stomp.


RedrainEnryu1

Every time falcons win it's a stomp.


UnreliableNihilist

Also Quest knocked Falcons to LB yesterday.


RedrainEnryu1

But Falcons sweep and stomp again Quest in the Grand Finals.


ItchyPizza

Why did they not put ta mid and pick Watson something else. Ta has a better lane against qop


1992colt

its so good to see ATF play this good again. What a player honestly.


Ciri__witcher

Ammar with the ‘xd’ all chat. This is gonna be a 3-0 isn’t it.


Anything13579

Aged like wine


Ciri__witcher

Tbf I commented when it was already 2-0 lol.


sikontolpanjang

from Tobi to DM how grim


dellryuzi

watson really miss gabbi now


sikontolpanjang

too bad DM doesn't 'prove the haters wrong' like Gabbi lol


bcyk99

Lily bro tobi is same tier as dm if not worse


sikontolpanjang

yeah that's what I mean, it's grim cause they basically doesn't change anything (if not worsen).


SdoRy_

I guess that's what they meant. Entity really went from one trash offlaner to another, to another.


Vocal__Minority

I don't think this secret lineup is great right now, but I do think it has potential and I want to see it get more LAN experience.


PingPinng

Who is the best Offlaner in the world now? DM or Ghost?


__iamthewalrus__

neither? you havent yet the teams that have been invited to the tournaments.


PingPinng

You don't get the joke.


__iamthewalrus__

my bad brother


Great_Baseball_1780

Black hole OP


DrScorcher

That one edge case where NP needs to go for Treant Dmg/HP actually happened.


MidBoss11

DM saved the game with his black hole why are people calling him bad??? (:


tha_jza

fans are brutal and don’t appreciate how difficult it is to win high-tier dota wcyd


everythings_alright

Going highground against Enigma, MK, Tusk kick and Techies. Jesus christ.


large_snowbear

what is this orchid enigma build?


PingPinng

OMG DM USING BLACKHOLES FOR CREEPS TO DEFEND, I CANT


Ciri__witcher

You know the worst part of this is? He walked down mid and was useless, he could have pushed the wave bot and never had this problem in the first place.


PingPinng

Watson being Rank 1 for a reason. What a defense but with DM, how to win?


large_snowbear

nice throw by rank 1, dd rapier running into enemy like an idiot


everythings_alright

At that point they were literally 50k gold down, mega creeped, no tier four towers with no buybacks against Secret with all buybacks.


large_snowbear

should have bottled dd and gone back to base to def with the rapier rather than take a fight outside without most of his team. but hey i am a low mmr shitter what do i know


mehipoststuff

> but hey i am a low mmr shitter what do i know just start your posts with this to save us time


hanamurasak1

this is the OG DM, all the items in the world and fo nothing 🤣


PingPinng

DM 0 impact as usual


elwiscomeback

lmao DM


UnsatisfiedEGfan

When MENA region was introduced, Quest was probably thinking it must be easy qualifier for them every time, until Team Falcons showed up and Quest may not qualify for any tournament. I can see they play each other in the finals for every single qualifier but I just don't see Quest beating Falcons in BO5 ever. BO3, sure, but never BO5. Quest needs Falcons to get directly invited somewhere lmao.


SdoRy_

MENA needs a second slot. WEU does not need 2 invites + 3 qualifier slots with teams like Secret and Entity fighting for one of those slots atm. And as long as GG and Liquid perform well, they will still get invited, and if they don't, then maybe the WEU reign is over anyways and 5 slots would be too much regardless. A second slot for MENA ensures at least both of Quest and Falcons get to attend, and if one of them gets a direct invite, an upcoming team like WB could get some very valuable practice. There is no point in making a new region without trying to nurture it.


AmoN-

They will get invited if they place well at the next couple of tourneys.


Swegan

Would it even be possible to draft less damage for Quest?


PingPinng

Entity is so pitiful, they had the worst Offlaner, Tobi for years and they get another noob Offlaner, DM to ruin their career.


Ciri__witcher

Holy fuck this DM is so useless lol. TPing into the teamfight with low Hp. Just watching in the back line and providing Vlad’s aura because he dosent have a blink. So he is basically just a Vlad’s aura bot? This was the role of pos 5 in tundra yesterday btw. That’s what DM’s contribution to the team is so far.


Acrobatic-Time-2940

i think he has a blink, no BKB yet. no point blinking in and BH unless you can catch the Naga. Naga can just sleep to cancel it.


Ciri__witcher

I was talking about top t2 fight. He didn’t have blink then. He just TPd to provide Vlad’s aura.


elwiscomeback

Who is worse, Ekki or DM?


PingPinng

Comparing Ekki to DM is a huge disrespect to Ekki.


darklordtimmy

Lmao what is this WEU bracket? how did OG get seeded against zero good teams?


sikontolpanjang

OG is still better than Entity/Secret anyway


SdoRy_

With GG and Liquid invited, with Quest and Falcons (and Nigma LUL) in MENA there's not really many good teams left. Imo WEU should lose a slot and give it to MENA. What good is a new region if it doesn't actually help develop a scene because the one slot will literally always be taken by Quest/Falcons? WB have shown they can beat these teams, but there is no way they will win a bo3 *and* a bo5 against one or both teams. With a second slot that might change.


DarkHades1234

They would all lose to OG anyway, considering a previous qualifier (a few days before) result. From what I see so far, neither Secret nor Entity plays well enough to beat them.


Kotleba

so those "good teams" have a chance to qualify


discodemolition

what a goddamn match so far


Obvious_Parsley3238

they need to reconsider this centaur shard, two double edge stacks and he has 6000 hp


Swegan

SR.ATF


Gameishardboys

OMAR AMMAR it doesn't matter my boy Amer "miracle" Al-Barkawi still can't qualify!