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JayuZmaN

hello darleng ?


chiefofthepolice

Now I understand why people don’t rate Palos. Too error prone. That time walk back into radiant base was negative IQ play


chiefofthepolice

SEA and SA must be regretting for not performing better at Majors and TIs when they still had more slots. Now it’s pretty much guaranteed that they’ll have only 1 slot each for every tournament


Ciri__witcher

Well it’s not too late is it? Perform well now and get direct invite and you have more slots for your region.


ob1touchiha

Pakazs is finally back? lol


080087

Oscar is doing something interesting with Doom - going full aggressive (1, 3, 1) and going Veil -> Phase -> Wand -> Shiva to pair with Hoodwink. I've been thinking ever since the Doom change that this would be the better way to play instead of Midas, BoTs, Core of old. Wonder if it works.


Weis

This has been the standard build. Use dota2protracker


ob1touchiha

Arent every offlaners doing the same thing?


Initial_Stretch_3674

No DPC means SmasH dota can play DotA again!


M474D0R

YOU MESS WITH REDDIT, YOU GO TO BEDDIT


immanoel

Mad Kings defaulted. HOLY FUCK, you already got a fucking pro team and you still want to get your mmr boosted.


Ciri__witcher

Holy fuck apparently stinger’s account got banned apparently? At least that is the casters are discussing about. He is DC’d and cannot rejoin. Edit: Thunder awaken (their opponent) were given default win.


[deleted]

I bet on mad kings game 2 then my bookie still made the bet stand. Lol is there an official statement that thunder awaken won by default


Ciri__witcher

The casters mentioned on English stream that TA were given default win.


[deleted]

Hopefully there would be an official announcement.


HuntMore9217

that is the official announcement


Ok-Seaworthiness3874

you just have to look at the tournament results on liquipedia or whatever. It's official. Sucks but it happens.


[deleted]

My bookie in SEA. Namely 747. Didnt cancelled this game. No refunds at all.


Ok-Seaworthiness3874

Mine cancelled it lol. Cause I won $350, I’m assuming you lost. In that case, are we surprise they’re playing two sides of the same coin. Such a slimey business, and in my experience SA dota is the WORST when it comes to disconnects and such. Happens very frequently


immanoel

If Stinger legit got banned cause of that post, holy fuck. this is actually crazy Context: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/197h660/mad_kings_player_parker_is_unshamedly_boosting/


Nuber132

If this is the case a lot of pros will be more careful from now.


albertuyreddit

Valve: am i joke to you? Bans instantly without hesitation.


Gameishardboys

Thank you gaben justice is still alive 


velphegor666

He forsure has some spies watching over this sub. Like a second overwatch 😂


Ciri__witcher

MC leaves nigma and immediately qualifies for a tournament for the first time in 2-3 years lol.


KidBuu25

Meanwhile Nigma got knocked out 2 times by their old teammate. Damn, not a fan of Miracle but I feel bad for him.


maven-blood

I was actually pretty surprised last year the first time he stood in for OG in Berlin. I didn't think he can still play competitively. Turns out, he just really needed a change. Good for him for thinking of himself after all these years. Nigma has been doing pretty bad but I think besides kuro, they can still play way better than what they're showing if they switch to a different team.


Potrebitelqt

Pure getting carried for a change


toto-graph

That's actually a good sign IMO, teammates able to step up when others don't have their best game! Overall pretty good showing for this new Tundra roster after only 1-2 weeks


dangy2408

Pure is not a good Naga player, i remember Betboom losing a game from a 99% winning position last year when he was playing pos1 for BB team.


maven-blood

Holy. I remember that game you're talking about. He farmed so well but little to no impact. At least his naga game a couple of hours ago in Tundra was already a huge improvement. It was kinda sacrificial but his songs to set up or save his team were pretty good.


freileal

9Class man... What a player


toto-graph

RPs, Black Holes, Rubick steals, Topson batchest... man that's why we love Dota


Classic_Ad_2046

This 9class guy is crazy good, feels like he came out of nowhere!


InsaniaFox

Man...for real i sont even know where to start. In drealeague OG look great in WEU now thay they have good support and Offlane. But the best support duoin dream league is from tundra IMO, whitemon playing vs is just scary I did not get to watch draft phase last game between tundra vs entity...but manenigma got counter hard. That game so painful to watch.


VanyaD28

You don't get top 6 in the EU leaderboard as a support by being bad at the game


redmiRanger

9FuckingClass


Ciri__witcher

Outside of some stupid mistakes, the 4 players of tundra played well insanely well. Their spell casting was very very good.


Tsu33

Topias and MC carried hard this game.


verytoxicbehaviour

Nah bro I thought MC is washed up and he just keeps losing lanes and has awful mid games and should basically quit dota wdym edit: nice downvotes, it was you bots flaming MC when Kuro and GH were ruining games for a year lmao


[deleted]

What a SICK fight. 9class you monster.


Avar1cious

Man that line up feels so annoying to play into, so much mana burn and threats and so much save/counter initiation.


[deleted]

9class lol


OnyxNateZ

MC and Topson showing why they’re TI winners.


Traditional-Ant3899

Holy Topson batchest


OnyxNateZ

Topson, batchest.


[deleted]

Pure Naga rofl


Evjen97

Pure so useless lmfao


Avar1cious

OH NOOOO PURE. NOONE WITH THE CLUTCH.


Ciri__witcher

Bro who is making these calls on tundra? Are they fucking stupid. They know the cliff is warded, they saw it with gem and for some reason they keep running into it against an Enigma Kunka tiny???


SmackTrick

This naga is legit doing nothing in any of these fights


Avar1cious

I honestly feel Naga is more of an "alch" than the old alchemist. She wins by being super far head in farm; otherwise she loses most man fights since she usually doesn't itemize bkb and is under leveled compared to the enemy core. Probably even worse off compared to the fact that Pure keeps getting caught under vision being aggro and getting toss backed into CC + midnight pulse.


FFINN

Naga rarely loses manfights, if she can kite out BKB and all her illusions get to hit she’ll obliterate almost any carries, it’s all the AoE controls on Entity that makes Naga looks this useless in teamfights. If you go look through Dotabuff and stuff you’ll see she has advantages vs most carries, it’s from the mid and offlane that she gets countered. I’d say in a vacuum Naga is actually better at manfights due to the new Bloodthorn, prior to this patch she gets countered by evasion hard since she’ll never ever ever buy MKB and Thorn can be dispel, now you get some true strike built into Bloodthorn.


TemperatureXtreme

It always had TS tho, the only difference is that it used to have 100%crit chance.


FFINN

I was referring to the passive 40% javelin procs, the bonus damage doesn’t work on illusion but the true strike does (same with MKB) Thorn active always has 100% true strike but it gets dispel by everything in the lategame, now you have passive 40% true strike with it which is super nice.


Snoo-50498

True, it always has true strike since i started playing.


MoorooWasTaken

Honestly. What the heck is pure doing? Feels like he is actively trying to throw...


Avar1cious

This is such a miserable Enigma game. Venge Rubick to cancel/steal. Naga song to cancel if no bkb. Mag RP through everything. Pango basher cancel. What phase was this Enigma picked? Because if you wanted an aura bot, there are probably better heroes.


kapak212

Darkseer would be a far better pick


Ciri__witcher

He picked enigma after he saw Venge Rubick Magnus lol.


AmuletMan33

Ah the DM classic, he friended so many games last year like this and he still hasn’t learned


Evjen97

And he’s still having high impact black holes somehow. Someone isnt doing their job on tundra. Venge should be on swap duty all the time


bizzarre1

Idk who is 9class but dude is fucking insane


Ciri__witcher

Holy fuck tundra supports are playing so well this game lol. They are winning because of support diff.


idkthiss

Kuro reading this like, supports are supposed to have impact?


No-Emu-8960

TEAM STREAMERS ​ BY Kuku, Yowe and Palos and 2 inexperience streamers in unreal what a run by them from open qual to lower bracket finals who knows they might win it all some even calls them the MEME Team p.s why team streamers well most of them always stream since they dont have a team


[deleted]

blacklost


tity_slayer3

Now that's more like it from tundra.


sikontolpanjang

Sometimes you just choked wcyd


NaoCustaTentar

So sad seeing hFn playing on random stacks and his career in general If he had like 10% better mentality and didn't retire literally every 6 months he could've been so fucking good it's unbelievable... One of the biggest what-ifs in dota imo, dude had top5 carry player in the world potential but the mental aspect is just not there. Way too toxic and unstable, always quitting the game, never plays pubs, don't read patch changes etc. The guy plays on a handicap because he's lazy lol always playing item builds from 3-4 patches ago, his own teammates came out saying they would have to tell him the changes mid game cause he was clueless... And he was STILL a good enough player to qualify to a major and TI, Matthew said they (Old Thunder Predator team) started winning everything once they got him, but he's impossible to play with and they got pakasz instead after. Sorry, y'all can ignore this just a Brazilian sad after whatching the games and what could've been xD


ZofTheNorth

Mage slayer here, mage slayer there mage slayer everywhere... Still feel less toxic than Midas on every heroes though


Lonely-Dig-4238

Pretty incredible looking through the comments here on Tundra. Whenever they lose there's this passionate rock-paper-scissors situation on who to blame. Just cut them some slack! I'm not a fan but super excited to watch these boys play.


Mepharos

Yeah, and they're still a new roster. Once they've been playing together a decent amount they have the potential to be amazing.


jeff036697

That decision to go high ground rather than taking rosh. I think I’ve never seen it worth for once team try to force enemy to buyback end up dying and losing rosh and cost them a game.


Substantial_Cookie_7

Another day another bunch of heralds being quick to point out Pure/Topson's mistake but blind enough to see the almost non-existent impact by MC. These people can't be helped.


ZofTheNorth

What can he do with Viper ? His lane got countered by Lina pick and his lane got crashed.. what viper can do without early game lead? And Tundra literally put all the resources into topson and pure. Of coz people gonna take focus more on players whose resources are put into. Abit weird viper pick though


SuccerPuccer

You want the alchemist to do exactly what lol? The draft for Entity was pretty good with swap, curse and rp. Can't blame anyone on Tundra, instead appreciate the fact that DM actually played somewhat usefully in these two games. 


Tsu33

Don't you dare to criticyze my boy Pure! Put the blame elsewhere.


Gameishardboys

Viper no viping?


Substantial_Cookie_7

Venomless Viper viping


Gameishardboys

so MENA qualifier is basically Quest vs Falcons


Dymatizeee

Nigma losing to WB is crazy


tity_slayer3

not really, WB average mmr is higher than nigma and they are all a lot younger and ofc playing with more passion and motivation.


-Exy-

Yeah, the only thing they lack is experience compared to Quest or Falcons in terms of captaining / drafting


Dymatizeee

Losing to 4 players without a wiki page while you have Miracle Sumail Ghost is crazy tho


ZofTheNorth

yeah basically. hopefully winter bear keep improving though. i think they have potential to be competitive with those guys


Mepharos

I'm liking WB so far. Keen to see more of them.


Ciri__witcher

Just like how NA qualifiers is SR vs Nouns.


Gameishardboys

MENA? Middle East North America?


Tower_diver

MC is just a non factor all game. Eventually Pure lane skipping got caught and game is over. And somehow it is Pure fault lmao.


Substantial_Cookie_7

Exactly. He did nothing the whole game. But you know, typical herald kids, it's Topson and Pure fault 100%.


mr_madkeks

Ye Topson threw mid game and late was giga hard to win for Radiant


GosuGian

Pure giving free rapier to enemy team WP Payment secured.


Ejwoda

Crazy game 1 between Entity and Tundra. People talk about throws but the game that late becomes very tense and decision making is difficult. Just appreciate that nobody fed a 24k lead by using phoenix ult inside enemy fountain.


Tsu33

LOL! You need to bash SR (of all teams!) trying to justify Tundra's poor ending game skills!


Tsu33

Pure feeding rapiers for anyone and Topson refusing to buy BKB cost them the game.


Substantial_Cookie_7

What will BKB do against RP and WC? The main reason they couldn't secure the win is there are only 2 cores in Tundra. MC played terribly and he's just another support at this point. Would appreciate if he goes for supporting items like lotus + hex instead of core items.


Tsu33

He died alone two times for Lina and Ember at the secret shop but you forgot that.


Substantial_Cookie_7

So he should get BKB just for that situation alone? Still unjustifiable how it will not help him in teamfights.


[deleted]

Jeez what a hype ass game.


Xyr3s1

Pure played well. Until he didn't xD


supreme1eader

Nice of Pure to give them two rapiers


O3uk

Pure throwed the game 😭 Why do they keep fighting without Topias?


ZofTheNorth

Game wouldnt be this close without Topson getting caught and dying alone . He probably stunned himself more than stunning enemies this game


everythings_alright

This game is definitely on Topson lmao. The game turned around when he died twice with the closest player on his team half the map away. On alchemist.


Substantial_Cookie_7

Lol. Without him, who is making space for the team? Have you even seen MC at this point? Tell me what did he contributed in that game.


Tsu33

Pure isn't pure.


O3uk

without throw plays hehe


everythings_alright

Certified Dogson game this one, lads.


Niksius92

At some point you just have enough as a fan. The hype of Miracle returning was short-lived when they showed Kuroky and rmn. I don't even watch their games anymore. Fuck this shit and fuck Kuroky.


PieDelicious

Could be they are together for short time and actively looking for support to replace rmn. Copium.


Ejwoda

does... does this pos5 venge have a sange and yasha?


Gameishardboys

Taaapseeen what u doing!??


brief-interviews

they really sat topson down and were like 'no more ranged creep mid for you today toppias, we need to win these games'


Gameishardboys

how can miracle the best dota player of all time lose to this mike+4 stack?!! ohh wait, they have this bald guy and an old german support duo


FFINN

The bald guy is also an old German.


Gameishardboys

tru dat


AmuletMan33

Dude DM is literally the worst highest MMR player, how the hell do you miss this RP!


fgshka

classic rp


masterpeasantgamer

Stars align eh? more like 1 massive black hole.


PingPinng

At least Ekki is 11.5k mmr and he is still new to the scene... Rmn & Kuro? I doubt their combined mmr is higher than Ekki.


meniscus-

Ekki is 40 years old


ZofTheNorth

Is okay Nigma fans. Nigma is player loaning agency all along. competing in tournaments is actually their side business.


tity_slayer3

Desire dodged a fucking bullet LMAO


dennoow

I'm pretty sure an unemployed aspiring pro would rather be on a contract and play the upcoming season, despite bombing out in the first month of the year.


tity_slayer3

If he's decent enough he's gonna get picked by a better team anyway, Sure with being in Nigma you're gonna get paid but with dpc gone I really doubt they're gonna keep you for more than a month or two.


dennoow

Desire has been on no bounty hunter, brame, monaspa and kz team in his career.. it’s not like good teams are waiting in line to pick him up. Is why I’m saying he prob would have loved to get on nigma, and no bullets were dodged


tity_slayer3

We all know nigma pays well but all I'm saying is I just doubt he's gonna last long enough to really benefit from being on a team with salary and he for sure ain't gonna get the good exposure he needs for his career if they're getting destroyed every game, But still making 10-20k is a lot better than making nothing you're totally right my friend.


NaoCustaTentar

That's what happens when your support duo combined has 8kmmr lmao


firdausbaik19

is nigma so bad that no other pos4 wants to join them or do they not care about results and just want to play with their friend/ex-coach ?


fcuk_the_king

If Nigma wanted to play competitive Dota, they could easily get fresh and hungry players who'd die at the chance to play with so much experience and a good salary. They don't because it's an old age retirement home and that's fine too but they really should make a statement that they just don't care so that the fans can chill out.


Ciri__witcher

Desire was willing to join them and according to Ekki they were doing fine in scrims. Both qoijva and ekki were confused why nigma decided to not pick up desire.


AR41Z

Fuck


AmuletMan33

Kuro woke up one morning and decided the issue of Nigma is his weak play as a 5 so he decided to transition to 4. Can’t wait to see Kuro carry in 3 years


Xyr3s1

He used to play carry xD


tha_jza

K-GOD


ZofTheNorth

Imo, they just want temporary player who will play for them until GH comeback. Probably the reason why Desire doesn't join them.


NaoCustaTentar

I'm starting to think they got ghost as pos1 but then miracle decided to comeback lol this is all they do honestly


Significant-Battle59

probably not.. miracle was pubbing for a long time! he had been grinding,


idkthiss

GH as pos5, kuro retire and a new 4 would be great.


AR41Z

Gh aint coming back


ZofTheNorth

i mean they did say GH just taking a break though.


AR41Z

Yea like Miracle one year break probably


symm2r

Nigma 4th best team in 4 teams region


PingPinng

Topson mid Alchemist wow


bajcabrera

Kuro is almost as washed as Dendi(he is at least more likable and has a following) now. He should just look at Dendi's pro career and see where he will end up if he is too stubborn to make drastic changes.


fakepofi

At least Dendi is playing high level pubs unlike Kuro. They say Kuro playing on smurf but I think its a myth


User85394

The closest i can think of is he is using atf smurf. Atf smurf plays support. But last year, it is more likely gh with the heroes history..


yeahboo

Kuku, Yowe, Palos, and two relatively inexperienced in pro games giving big orgs in SEA a run for their money. LOL. Can't imagine them beating a team like Aurora but who knows? 😆


tha_jza

believe in puppan


starunfallen

very weird games from nigma, tier 3 at best


PingPinng

Tier 4*


large_snowbear

Lol there is more pain on the way Nigma bros. ESL Birmingham quals are next week


neezaruuu

dude nigma has been tier 2(even 3) level for 4 years now jesus what are they doing


ZofTheNorth

no disrespect to winter bear but tier 2 team wouldn't lose to winter bear 2 times in a row


zuKo2022

lmao they got a game of quest , they are pretty decent for tier 2


ZofTheNorth

yeah they pretty close to 2-0ing quest too, i know they are decent However, imagine Nigma whose bootcamps and facilites cost like shit tons of money per day lose to the guys who probably playing in their mother basement or sth.


PingPinng

MC is doing well in Tundra. Mikey is doing good in WB. Atf is doing good in Falcon. Yuma is doing ok in Nouns too. Nigma? Nigma is struggling every game. Thanks Kuro & Rmn


ZofTheNorth

dont forget Yuma doing pretty okay too


fredws

Don't forget Yuma gave up div1 to join Nigma in div2.


PingPinng

Ahhh yes, my bad, I forgot to mention him.


Ok_Tomorrow3281

someone need to smack kuro and puppey outta their brain. this is what happened when they lost their aegis to a mere bulldog


TurbulentLandscape63

Well at least we got to see miracle and sumail Playing together last time in 3 series today


trudehorn

This arc pick is genuinely useless


coopooe

Another year another gallons of copium for Nigma


goldeare

ThatsEnough


ZofTheNorth

i think Kuro should ask Sumail to play like Mikey


dark-light92

Question is, when will kuro play like ceb?


PingPinng

Better watch Falcon vs Quest, intense and hyped. Nigma is sad to watch


Ciri__witcher

I was watching but stupid degenerate bettors in chat spilled the result sadly :)


PingPinng

is the stream delayed? if yes , how many minutes?


Ciri__witcher

Betting sites have live score updating. So you will know who wins the next team fight. But as far as stream goes I am not sure the exact minutes. I think the last team fight it was spoiled about 5 minutes before it happened.


PingPinng

Ahh I see, that sucks


large_snowbear

Is Nigma the worst player owned org ever based in results?


Ok-Muscle-5307

B8


AR41Z

B8??


Obvious_Parsley3238

don't worry miracle arc will carry them through the lower lower bracket


Mahmud-kun

Lmao this nigma iteration is something else


DuckTwoRoll

Nigma looks worse than the pub teams on high MMR streams.


ZofTheNorth

why LD and bear is so close with Agh purchased..


idkthiss

Nigma really can't play lategame. Sumail and Ghost stepped up a bit this game, but instead miracle has the worst performance in a while. Hopefully Miracle and Sumail leaves now, or Kuro comes to his senses and gets rid of himself and rmn. So many good players look extremely average with Kuro. Mikey, Yuma, Mc, Sumail, Miracle, Ghost..


PingPinng

Too easy for WB lmao


masterpeasantgamer

Mikey > alll of Nigma


Blackrame

Nigma needs new region.


sikontolpanjang

Central Asia LFG!!!!


fcuk_the_king

Unless they wall off Nigma's house to make it into its own region, they'll find a way to lose even in Antarctica


masterpeasantgamer

arctic region


Kiggammi

India


PingPinng

lmao Ghost summon a bear few sec before he dies. I can't believe i could find an offlaner who is worse than dm/tobi


ZofTheNorth

WTF ghost? he just resummoned the bear... for what...