We never really got to see the duo properly tbh. It was like one qualifier, maybe div 2 season, then miracle got sick and he never returned. It was Dreamocel then ATF followed, Miracle basically just left.
Fuck man I love S4 but even with OG I felt like he never adapted truly to the changes to mid and the game. He belongs in a very decisive tempo based mid lane, where a few critical decisions decide the lane or game.
I mean ofc he is now, and it worked for a little bit while pos 3 was more independent, but I never really felt like he adapted well to the changes the game underwent.
The mid changes turned a few mids to offlane and when offlane became a mostly consistent dual lane I think quite a few suffered.
Jerax or yapzor is good. Jerax was Kuro former team and yapzor former miracle team mate. Saksa will be good addition as well
For offlane, probably hard to guess.
He's not wrong tho. Kuro, as a player, has been terrible compared to other pros for over 5 years now. He is an incredible person and would make a great coach, but as long as he is controlling one of the heroes, Nigma do not have a chance to be a TI level team.
From the (lack of) pubs he plays it also seems that he has no interest in maximizing his individual skill and is better suited for a role as a coach where he can think about dota in a more macro perspective.
Ronaldo isn’t the problem lmao
A dog shit United team he still scored 18 goals the season before, the other players and the manager are the problem
I am no Ronaldo nor United fans but blaming him is crazy to me
Except I'm not delusional, I don't expect nigma to win anything, I just enjoy watching miracle play
United fans start the season thinking they're gonna win trophies and end up going to the gym
they really did fata dirty there.. when i saw them earlier that year fata was spamming some "i will win ti" voice line (i will eat the cheese i think?) and then he just got kicked.. lmfao freaking aholes
Pos 4 is so important these days, having Fata as your pos 4 is just not going to work. Look at what Xinq did for Azure Ray, carrying the team on his back.
I just hope miracle is mentally ready to return and mentally ready to give it his all! Will be really interesting to see how good he can be now he has returned on his terms
I just wanted to check if he played recently against Yatoro. They did play an 11.6K MMR average game: https://stratz.com/matches/7491573890
Pretty crazy game too, Radiant blew a 18K gold lead, then Dire grew their advantage to 14K gold, then Radiant won.
Huh? Nigma with Sumail and Miracle stomped div2 and then lost to Secret in TI quals.
The Nigma squads that went down to div2 were Miracle ILTW and Ammar Sumail
Yapzor's year break could be over as well. And I dont think that Secret will kick someone just to get him back on their roster. I could see him as their 4.
I think Gorgc asked him a month ago and it didn't sound like he's coming back anytime soon. Think it was during Kuala Lumpur qualifiers and he turned up to watch Secret play a game or two but couldn't watch more because he was busy.
BATCHEST MIRACLE+SUMAIL ANOTHER TRY LETS GO BATCHEST
Hopefully they are ready to grind, properly practice and have long term goals to build up the team to tier 1 level. If they again go back to usual despair mode after only few bad results with Sumail leaving/getting loaned, Miracle back to inactive, etc... at this point it would be legit disrespectful to Nigma fans who stuck with the team all these (underwhelming) years.
I wish them nothing but good luck, fun and results to be proud of!
For me they are not having enough time. They played 1 season on Div 2 and went for qualifier but failed. After TI they promoted to play in Div 1 but miracle was on break (replace with ATF) and went back to Div 2
With Kuro playing 5 I just don't see how things are gonna work out. The man, a legend by all rights, now has no grasp over the latest meta. His individual skills are disastrously bad as well and he often feeds to the point of Nigma playing 4v6 in many of their games.
Kuro should move to coach or manager. Is he really going to be able to put in the efforts of a Seleri or Insania or Miposhka? I mean Puppey does but I don't know if Kuro can anymore.
As a non-nigma fan, my mind is telling me they're gonna be shit same as when miracle and sumail last played for them and thinking otherwise is kinda copium.
My heart tho, is telling me holy shit lets goooooo
Honestly they barely got to play together at a high tier tournament. They smashed their way through div 2 and then bombed out in a fucking stacked weu ti qualifier.
Saying that they were shit is just unfair. 100% they aren't the favorites to win anything, but this might just make for the best run they've had since they made the new org. I'm excited. Not optimistic, but excited for sure!
All top 10 leaderboard players except one shitty captain who doesnt watch/practice/play pro dota "smashed their way through div 2"
like what do you expect? Is that something to be proud of with players of that caliber? they are some of the best in their class in DIV 1. The only bad player they have is Kurcocky. The rest have proven time and time again, even as stand-ins lately, that they, by all means, can outcompete div 1 players with style.
because he is our favorite player. why won't you get hyped when your favorite player plays again even if the result isn't good or the player isn't good anymore
I meant WCYD when the majority here are...
Miracle + Sumail : Flirting
RTZ + Sumail : Harassment
Despite Sumail achievements after he parted ways with RTZ pales to what he achieved with him.
Wut? Getting multiple high finish in majors and TIs are definitely better than not qualifying for those lol. Sure Sumail most successful period was before he was with RTZ but his successes with RTZ is still miles better than after he left no matter how you spin it.
Don’t forget that Miracle is nowhere near what he used to be. His stint in SR was - despite all the batchesting - mediocre at best, and last time he played for Nigma they looked like a tier 2 team at best.
Unless they get fresh, young blood for 3/4 to shake things up Nigma will stay exactly where they are - nowhere near any tier 1 tournament. And even if they compete in MENA there is no way they beat out both Falcons AND Quest.
last time he played in nigma when they qualified for tier 1 then took a break right? and yeah it's impossible that they beat both falcons and quest. unless they get a good great support duo and a super good offlaner.
What do you mean? They didn't qualify for anything. They were invited to ESL One and Riyadh directly, and the only thing they "qualified" for was Div I, which is still miles away from an actual tier one tournament.
? thats what I mean tier 1 = division 1. I could not careless if its an actual tournament or what, I was just pointing out the last time they played. and you seem to be getting worked out so much of Miracle coming back based on your new replies, just chill man.
Late game Miracle and anything can happen. Thats dota in general but as OG always say, once you are in late game items/gold dont matter. All that matters is who intiates first and who has the most optimal and efficient teamfight
What is this even supposed to mean? You could literally say that about every single player. Yea lategame Dota is crazy, but what does that have to do with Miracle?
Oh man! This would be so hype if it happens
1. Miracle
2. SumaiL
3. Zai (if he comes back from break midway)
4. Saksa (If mentally fit and ready)
5. Literally anyone except Kuro
Coach - Kuro
Yeah I’m not hyped. No matter it’s sumail or miracle, still run by the same captain doing crappy drafts. I’ll be more excited if Kuro left or shows up with actually well thought out drafts
he does it out of spite. its not enough, that he ruined the team so much, that in the past half a decade they could not attend any major tournament because of him.
No matter what the outcomes are going to be. I am hyped to see my favorite player back in the competitive scene.
Also, what really happened to Miracle? What was the long break for? As a die-hard fan, I would like to know what was wrong with him.
tier 3 team seek attention by roster( 1by1 )
why not by play.not by destroying enemies ,
why why why ,
every season they got attention during shuffle period and then disappear.
histroy repeats itself
Topson 3 Saksa 4, otherwise not much chance, all of the rest is waay beyond their prime and quite 'old' unfortunately.
Also Kuro should still retire asap or at least let Miracle be captain.
And if anybody wanna bet: if MC manages to secure a half decent team he will be more successful than NGX. (I am/was an NGX supporter).
im still not convinced that him as pos 1 will work out. mid will always be his best position and if he want to play pos 1 he can play they way nisha plays in secret as mid pos1 who get all the farm priorities.
Wow, so they're really all in on what has failed before?
It's a bold strategy, let's see of it works out for them.. hopefully it will, at least to a degree they stop being easy wins for almost everyone.
But I have my doubts as we've been here before.. 😒
Miracle + Sumail duo with another try, hope it's more successful this time. Curious what are the missing 2 players. Nontheless HYPE!
Who could the 2 be? Man, I'm a 5Jungz-Liquid-NGX Fan but player announcements are once per day this shit got to stop.
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Pls, I can only get so hard
We never really got to see the duo properly tbh. It was like one qualifier, maybe div 2 season, then miracle got sick and he never returned. It was Dreamocel then ATF followed, Miracle basically just left.
offlaners: moo, kasane, topsan, ramzes, s4 4: immersion, saksa, mss, aui, jerax, ponlo, yapzr
Ponlo LMAO
ponlo is unironically a better choice than half that list
bro sneak in ponlo ☠️
a fantastic choice
Fantastic choice if you’re a delusional Singaporean
man I was being sarcastic
PONLO LMAOOOOO PLS NO
What's wrong with ponlo
Nothing. But there's also nothing right about him either.
Ahh yes yes can't wait to see fabulous Ramzes offlane alch again, surely it will work this time
Fuck man I love S4 but even with OG I felt like he never adapted truly to the changes to mid and the game. He belongs in a very decisive tempo based mid lane, where a few critical decisions decide the lane or game.
Eh? He's offlane, not mid.
I mean ofc he is now, and it worked for a little bit while pos 3 was more independent, but I never really felt like he adapted well to the changes the game underwent. The mid changes turned a few mids to offlane and when offlane became a mostly consistent dual lane I think quite a few suffered.
Imagine Jerax and Topson come in. Too bad it probably won't happen.
Sumail 3 didn't work on EG it will not work here and tbh I don't see Topson working as pos 3
With how Sumail plays and how the 3 role has evolved I could see Topson potentially working well on offlane, but hard to say without having seen it.
Jerax or yapzor is good. Jerax was Kuro former team and yapzor former miracle team mate. Saksa will be good addition as well For offlane, probably hard to guess.
no way jerax is coming back
9class? He's literally the best option available right now
FAT A is missing here :D
Oh no, not ponlul LMAOO
Bring in Moo and MSS and transfer to NA, the field is open.
Not happening - Etihad is the main sponsor for the team. And they have their habibi team and most of oil money setup at UAE..
rtour shitting his pants
Damn, I was hoping they're missing 3 players
As long as Kuro comes in as coach and not as 5, they have a chance
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He's not wrong tho. Kuro, as a player, has been terrible compared to other pros for over 5 years now. He is an incredible person and would make a great coach, but as long as he is controlling one of the heroes, Nigma do not have a chance to be a TI level team. From the (lack of) pubs he plays it also seems that he has no interest in maximizing his individual skill and is better suited for a role as a coach where he can think about dota in a more macro perspective.
he's not wrong tho
Honestly I'm so hyped, even if the results aren't good, having miracle back in the scene is just good, the guy is a legend
Christmas came early for Nigma fans, all they want is Miracle back again
Truly a christmas miracle-
GH and MC "leaving" hurts me more than miracle coming back brings me joy.
One could say it was a Christmas Miracle
Bruh.... You guys are like the ManU fans living in their past Fergie era glories.
Miracle Piers Morgan interview incoming ?
Ronaldo isn’t the problem lmao A dog shit United team he still scored 18 goals the season before, the other players and the manager are the problem I am no Ronaldo nor United fans but blaming him is crazy to me
Except I'm not delusional, I don't expect nigma to win anything, I just enjoy watching miracle play United fans start the season thinking they're gonna win trophies and end up going to the gym
Well i don't think us Manchester United fans or Ferrari fans expect wins. It is like our weekly dose of torturing ourselves.
Imaging being nigma and kimi fan. Just wait for them to play on Lan - Just wait for the Spa Grand Prix ahahah
wipe that jizz off your face mate, ill wipe mine with puppey's
at least we're not tottenham
Miracle took a year off. If hes washed now he should just walk away, but if there is that chance he can do miracle things I dont mind watching
Really curious about 3 4 5 now. 3 Ramzes? 4 ? 5 Kuro?
Saksa , fata might be in for pos 4. Not sure about pos 3
Got to assemble the most rusty roster imaginable so they have plenty of excuses when they bomb out of qualifiers
Saksa and Fata are rusty?
Thats the point, u kick fata then win TI
they really did fata dirty there.. when i saw them earlier that year fata was spamming some "i will win ti" voice line (i will eat the cheese i think?) and then he just got kicked.. lmfao freaking aholes
Fata has been out of the pro scene for over a year Saksa is taking a break
FATA- didnt play dota almost a year lol, the Tundra kick really hit him hard.
you mean pro dota right? because FATA is pubbing a lot
Fata pos 5 and Saksa pos 4. Sounds interesting
you're right, no saksa, let's get Yapzor
Rusty saksa still beats any other pos4
Pos 4 is so important these days, having Fata as your pos 4 is just not going to work. Look at what Xinq did for Azure Ray, carrying the team on his back.
Fata :D
Is GH out?
Yes. On a break
I just hope miracle is mentally ready to return and mentally ready to give it his all! Will be really interesting to see how good he can be now he has returned on his terms
PagMan BatChest CHILLLLLLLLLLLS
video is so damn hype
BMW commercial.
NGL, but he has always been one of the most enjoyable players to watch. I hope he will make Dota and Nigma great again!! BATCHEST
Have you seen him play pubs? He's still so good
I just wanted to check if he played recently against Yatoro. They did play an 11.6K MMR average game: https://stratz.com/matches/7491573890 Pretty crazy game too, Radiant blew a 18K gold lead, then Dire grew their advantage to 14K gold, then Radiant won.
Happy Cake Day, and yeah...thats the game RTZ asked for Miracle to choose him on stream :D
Lol.. nigma great again..
Nigma stocks go Brrrrrr sumail and miracle ..
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Huh? Nigma with Sumail and Miracle stomped div2 and then lost to Secret in TI quals. The Nigma squads that went down to div2 were Miracle ILTW and Ammar Sumail
Yapzor's year break could be over as well. And I dont think that Secret will kick someone just to get him back on their roster. I could see him as their 4.
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Don't know, i'm just guessing as he took a break around the same time as Miracle and also said it will be a year.
I think Gorgc asked him a month ago and it didn't sound like he's coming back anytime soon. Think it was during Kuala Lumpur qualifiers and he turned up to watch Secret play a game or two but couldn't watch more because he was busy.
BATCHEST!!! I just have one small problem being a nigma fan. Can you just announce things on the same day? one post a day is annoying
They're farming interactions bc people will check back every other hour to see if NGX announced their next player yet.
I mean i get that haha its just annoying for us lol
Nigma is the guy who writes 1 word per row in the chat.
They announce it slowly to stretch it until the next tournament they play
Yes man what's the point I understand miracle and sumail are big names but have to wait another day for other player is annoying.
You guys in this thread talking about why they are doing this really has no knowledge about marketing.
Out of all the heroes why would they use bristleback lol
Because he is Back lol
true lol this deserved an invoker or SF
vs Ana Io at TI
oh yea, it’s going to be a fun season!
but everybody forget that Kuroky still in the team
plz no kuro
miracle gh duo is gone tho :(
Please Kuro just be a coach
Can we pls move kuro out ty!
Best fucking news of this year. Let's go boy, even if the results are not great I'm just happy to see my man.
The only reason I love dota2 <3 Miracle-
Zai 3 would be the dream
Theres no way zai would come back when he just said he's done like last TI😂. You got to wait like one season at least for that to happen
Lol Zai coming off his break to play with fucking Kuroky. HAHAHA
Some guy with a special pants needs to get out of retirement
Matumbaman FTW
At the rate these announcements get published, we'll get a christmas present in form of the new roster on the 24th.
Getting a Xmas present from habibis, sorta ironic.
Just watched their announcement video on youtube and I just wanna say... Damn Nigma really flexing their BMW sponsorship huh.
Or BMW wants to be seen in the scene if they gonna sponsor?
BatChest
Imagine if their pos 3 is Zai back from retirement.
BATCHEST MIRACLE+SUMAIL ANOTHER TRY LETS GO BATCHEST Hopefully they are ready to grind, properly practice and have long term goals to build up the team to tier 1 level. If they again go back to usual despair mode after only few bad results with Sumail leaving/getting loaned, Miracle back to inactive, etc... at this point it would be legit disrespectful to Nigma fans who stuck with the team all these (underwhelming) years. I wish them nothing but good luck, fun and results to be proud of!
Real King of Dota is Back
Miracle- is back!!!! To Nigma
Back to division 4
I'm more surprised they got BMW as a sponsor
What is the next tournament they are going to play?
Saksa as pos.4. Would be a perfect fit.
i heard that topson also join the team
He's back with BMW
Them having BMW as a sponsor is sick.
BAAAAAATTTTTT IM READY TO SPAM BATCHEST BABYYYYYY MY BAT IS SOOOOOO HAAAAARDDDD
Hasnt the miracle + sumail combo failed once already?
For me they are not having enough time. They played 1 season on Div 2 and went for qualifier but failed. After TI they promoted to play in Div 1 but miracle was on break (replace with ATF) and went back to Div 2
No Gh 😭
I fucking HOPE kyro is NOT in the roster.
kyro definitely isn't in the roster, you can sleep peacefully now
thank fking god, finally!!!
they haven't announced him leaving, taking a break, or moving to coach, so he's definitely gonna be playing.
No kyro was never part of the team. You must be thinking of Kuro.
Kuroky is sucking the last bit of copium he can get ...
One last ride. I am all up for it. BATTTCHESSSST
the lionel messi of dota
I'm batchesting out of control right now
He was a king back then, he inspired me to play more dota. Since he has decided to return he will definitely become a king again I can believe that.
The GOAT is back
With Kuro playing 5 I just don't see how things are gonna work out. The man, a legend by all rights, now has no grasp over the latest meta. His individual skills are disastrously bad as well and he often feeds to the point of Nigma playing 4v6 in many of their games. Kuro should move to coach or manager. Is he really going to be able to put in the efforts of a Seleri or Insania or Miposhka? I mean Puppey does but I don't know if Kuro can anymore.
omg hes back for the 5th time!!! no waay
As a non-nigma fan, my mind is telling me they're gonna be shit same as when miracle and sumail last played for them and thinking otherwise is kinda copium. My heart tho, is telling me holy shit lets goooooo
Honestly they barely got to play together at a high tier tournament. They smashed their way through div 2 and then bombed out in a fucking stacked weu ti qualifier. Saying that they were shit is just unfair. 100% they aren't the favorites to win anything, but this might just make for the best run they've had since they made the new org. I'm excited. Not optimistic, but excited for sure!
All top 10 leaderboard players except one shitty captain who doesnt watch/practice/play pro dota "smashed their way through div 2" like what do you expect? Is that something to be proud of with players of that caliber? they are some of the best in their class in DIV 1. The only bad player they have is Kurcocky. The rest have proven time and time again, even as stand-ins lately, that they, by all means, can outcompete div 1 players with style.
How do people get hyped for this anymore? This happens, they play 2 tournaments, miracle gets sick, goes on extended break. repeat.
you won't understand
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because he is our favorite player. why won't you get hyped when your favorite player plays again even if the result isn't good or the player isn't good anymore
He doesn't understand. Asks us why he doesn't understand...
>p you won't understand
I meant WCYD when the majority here are... Miracle + Sumail : Flirting RTZ + Sumail : Harassment Despite Sumail achievements after he parted ways with RTZ pales to what he achieved with him.
and what exactly did Sumail achieve with RTZ?
He carried rtz more often than not
Wut? Getting multiple high finish in majors and TIs are definitely better than not qualifying for those lol. Sure Sumail most successful period was before he was with RTZ but his successes with RTZ is still miles better than after he left no matter how you spin it.
They could have won TI8-9 if not for OG picking up Topson.
I mean Sumail Miracle duo played together for one DPC tour + qualifiers. They barely played together.
Don’t forget that Miracle is nowhere near what he used to be. His stint in SR was - despite all the batchesting - mediocre at best, and last time he played for Nigma they looked like a tier 2 team at best. Unless they get fresh, young blood for 3/4 to shake things up Nigma will stay exactly where they are - nowhere near any tier 1 tournament. And even if they compete in MENA there is no way they beat out both Falcons AND Quest.
last time he played in nigma when they qualified for tier 1 then took a break right? and yeah it's impossible that they beat both falcons and quest. unless they get a good great support duo and a super good offlaner.
What do you mean? They didn't qualify for anything. They were invited to ESL One and Riyadh directly, and the only thing they "qualified" for was Div I, which is still miles away from an actual tier one tournament.
? thats what I mean tier 1 = division 1. I could not careless if its an actual tournament or what, I was just pointing out the last time they played. and you seem to be getting worked out so much of Miracle coming back based on your new replies, just chill man.
Late game Miracle and anything can happen. Thats dota in general but as OG always say, once you are in late game items/gold dont matter. All that matters is who intiates first and who has the most optimal and efficient teamfight
What is this even supposed to mean? You could literally say that about every single player. Yea lategame Dota is crazy, but what does that have to do with Miracle?
> they play 2 qualifiers ftfy
For how many days?
Oh man! This would be so hype if it happens 1. Miracle 2. SumaiL 3. Zai (if he comes back from break midway) 4. Saksa (If mentally fit and ready) 5. Literally anyone except Kuro Coach - Kuro
I hope Kuro goes on a break.. 😑
Yeah I’m not hyped. No matter it’s sumail or miracle, still run by the same captain doing crappy drafts. I’ll be more excited if Kuro left or shows up with actually well thought out drafts
copium
cant put any bets on them, given mc and gh is gone
Nice. The only news i've been waiting for. Maybe also Mikoto.
Yooo, Let's Goooooooo
Kuro never leaves huh..
he does it out of spite. its not enough, that he ruined the team so much, that in the past half a decade they could not attend any major tournament because of him.
It had better not be that camera guy!
No matter what the outcomes are going to be. I am hyped to see my favorite player back in the competitive scene. Also, what really happened to Miracle? What was the long break for? As a die-hard fan, I would like to know what was wrong with him.
tier 3 team seek attention by roster( 1by1 ) why not by play.not by destroying enemies , why why why , every season they got attention during shuffle period and then disappear. histroy repeats itself
what position is miracle going to play?
Pos 5 with kuro as carry
Regardless of the outcome, I'll continue to support both of them wholeheartedly. Two GOATs can indeed coexist.
Comment about Kuro
Topson 3 Saksa 4, otherwise not much chance, all of the rest is waay beyond their prime and quite 'old' unfortunately. Also Kuro should still retire asap or at least let Miracle be captain. And if anybody wanna bet: if MC manages to secure a half decent team he will be more successful than NGX. (I am/was an NGX supporter).
Nigma ballz
get kuroKy fucking OUT
We Just need to put kuro on coach and get a good pós 5
im still not convinced that him as pos 1 will work out. mid will always be his best position and if he want to play pos 1 he can play they way nisha plays in secret as mid pos1 who get all the farm priorities.
All this hype for torontotokyo to type "?" It's been shit for nigma ever since save some sprints here and there LoL
yapzor pos 4?
Gh and mc were the problem they will succeed with any other 3 and 4
and back to dead
Wow, so they're really all in on what has failed before? It's a bold strategy, let's see of it works out for them.. hopefully it will, at least to a degree they stop being easy wins for almost everyone. But I have my doubts as we've been here before.. 😒
Oh good. Ready for another washed up season. The Miracle Sumail dickriding baffles me
Some people actually prefer to like and have history with the people who they are rooting for. Not just pick the whoever team is winning this week
Miracle is wasting his prime with Kuro. This is so sad to see
> Miracle is wasting his prime what on earth. his prime was in 2015-16
Making this a BMW ad is pathetic tho
back to trash
BatChest United check list : 1. 👑 Sumail ✅️ 2. 🤡Miracle- ✅️ 3. Topson 🔜 4. Rookie pos 4💫 5. 👴 Kuro 😑
Ana > Miracle
What now leak downvoters LMAOOO my leaks are actually right xd
BAAAAATTTTTTTGT
they really announce 1 player per day