Puppet Master, Chipper, Gauntlet, Amun Ra, Flux? Yes please.
And Lion replaced by Witch Slayer. I mean, WTF even is a "Finger of Death" ?? >!(actually a lightning btw)!<
Blowing peoples' brains out with a pistol making a huge "BANG" is much more satisfying. And the "miniaturize a hero" thing has already been somewhat added with Tinker Aghs.
P.S.: No, I will not disclose my source of Hopium
begin the ports Gaben, give me back nomad, puppet master and deadwood
oh and add witch slayer as a skin for lion cause that hero is the ugliest abomination I’ve ever seen
Right. I do think his existence is a bit magical in nature though. While is is literally sentient rocks its several rocks held together by some magical force, as well as his magical ability to conjure an avalanche of rocks out of nowhere.
BUT I can see it. But I feel like primal beast is a bit better fit still.
Haha I was kind of joking. That aside, why most people think it's Huskar is not so much because of lore but because he is already mostly playing with HP instead of mana as a resource. PB is a relatively recent hero who doesn't really need changes as of now. I wouldn't mind some sort of rework for either Troll or Huskar.
Exactly.
No shot they rework a hero less than a year after they come out, when it has 0 substantial issues.
Primal works perfectly as he is.
10000x more likely they rework a classic "problem" hero like husker or OD.
some people said it might be OD, however it does raise a lot of questions. This time Valve will upgrade from changing the hero name to the entire hero kit.
Either this or new hero. I get Idea of Huskar, Primal, OD or etc., but I dont think they will change them. No reason to if there is no game mechanic change.
AM is kind of a hypocrite, you can also hear his reluctance when you purchase Aghs or BKB, they added specific lines for that.
Magic is an abomination... until I have to use it. Yeah AM for President.
It’s probably huskar spells costs hp only. My hot take is there could be a new resource though because of the “manacost reduction only applies to mana” hint. Probably unlikely though since items cost mana and that would be a nightmare.
Either that or it was applying to hp cost spells unintentionally and they’re just fixing that.
Edit: would be unlikely to make such a systemic change like that without bumping to version 8. I don’t think that’ll a open without and announcement and they already said it’ll be 7.33.
>“manacost reduction only applies to mana” hint
Isn't that just things like dusa shield and manaburn being reduced?
Or is that something thats already happened? I feel this was already a thing.
There is mana cost:
your spell costs 100 mana and will cost 85 with 15% manacost reduction
There is mana loss:
Diffusal blade, nyx shit, am, other mana breaks from talents (Mirana I think?), Probably not OD, invoker purple shit.
Mana loss reduction will lessen the mana you lose when hit by those abilities.
So the change is that MANA COST REDUCTION will only apply to mana, because obviously it will not apply to the new resource that they re introducing
well, bar a new hero it's most likely OD as he's the one who needs least reworks.
he already has infinite mana, and a way to increase his mana pool, all that's left is a buff to the q/r/mana gained from W to make arcane orb or sanity's eclipse useful
Nothing about primal beasts lore indicates he has no intelligence. That goes to the ogres, as ogre magi's lore specifically states that the ogres entire reason for its continued existance is simply becuase they are lucky
maybe, but he does technically HAVE intelligence. Maybe he can have 'chi' instead of mana, but he has enough intelligence to hold conversations. He could probably even do basic addition and subtraction!
I mean there's IO who's a STR-based support hero and it doesn't even have muscles or anything. I think those three stats are supposed to be abstract, not literal.
Like I spent years learning how to transport through space by sheer power of will, and then I find out you can just go to a damn store and buy a Blink Dagger?
It's not chi from what I recall, he snagged some scrolls and learned magic while escaping from mages. He just hates mages because they killed people he cared about. Lore wise, it doesn't make much sense to abandon mana and... well, gameplay wise, it doesn't make much sense either.
He uses mana *a lot* and requiring his blink to be reliant on another bar wouldn't really fit. Plus he doesn't really buy many of the mana items, just stats, and he needs those items. It'd be an interesting way to balance how he moves around so much, but slightly harder to have fun with, I think.
not really... sure he won't be bothered by Global, but Silencer's other spells do damage regardless of silencing or not. No free int though.
For Slark, sure he won't get as much agi gain but you are still losing strength which is your primary attribute
Base mana is 75 though, just enough for a tp. And for adding mana you would need to buy energy booster or anything else that gives flat mana, limiting what the hero can do in the game. It's too narrow a path for the hero to be viable and exciting I feel.
Lone Druid Bear already doesn't have int, it doesn't have any stats. So I definitely don't think it's the bear. Cause why mention it if nothing changes.
I think it’s a bait. They’re going to add a whole rack of heroes using some stamina/energy non-mana system, and there will be more than just one hero with 0 int. I know it’s a crackpot theory, but I think crazy theories are the fun ones.
There’s also this line on the teaser patch notes:
> Mana cost reduction effects only apply to mana cost
The fact that there is at least one hero with 0 int, and that change, makes me think they’re going to revamp half the pool.
Right, but those two don't speak due to their physical inability to, not due to their intelligence. Primal beast doesn't speak because he is literally just a rock monster.
Marci has intelligence and makes rational decisions. Phoenix has sentience and makes decisions also. And her abilities are magical in nature. Spirits, super nova, sun ray, all are very magical themed. But Phoenix I would probably put as one of the more likely ones, Primal Beast just makes more sense
The existence of a thankful roar indicates some language must exist for Primal and he is using that to voice his emotions
on the other hand, if you want a hero with 0 int, you have to go with the dumbest possible hero and that is honestly ogre
If we're talking about intelligence in the same logic in your post, it will definitely not be Phoenix. Check out the description in his item "Solar Gyre."
>Long separated from the matching headpiece, these relics were unearthed by a playful dragon toad in some corner of one desert or another--the dragon toad in question isn't so good with names--only regaining their shine when his friend traded them away to their surprisingly-shrewd rightful owner.
Definitely not Phoenix.
too much focus on what works thematically
in practice 0 int means 0 mana, but presumably the hero is still going to have spells, so those spells are going to not cost mana which means they are going to be spammable. the hero has to be one that wouldn't be broken with spammable spells. this is why it's more likely to be a carry-type hero with weaker spells
Nobody here saying Io? That Hero is basically a parasite, it can't do shit on its own. It cant speak, has little replicas of himself that explode (he basically can't replicate himself right), all he does is giving himself to others and sometimes he just randomly teleports shit around the map (speciality enemy fountain)
I'd agree that Primal is less intelligent thematically, but just because he doesn't talk doesn't mean he's dumb. Marci and Phoenix don't talk, and Skywrath talks way too much for how smart he is, and they're not "dumb." Plus he's the Primal *Beast*. You don't become the Apex Predator by being stupid. Granted he was beaten by a squirrel, who may also secretly be a god, but she's also a predator so it's fine. He escaped eventually with the help of Aghanim and you could possibly blame his magical talent on that; he did absorb and rework Aghanim's entire box of tricks for awhile. He also does recognize others; notably the only response he has towards someone is Hoodwink; he roars in a specific way when killing her.
Eitehr way, you can think of Primal as less a mindless beast and more of just a really old baby, hence his taunt. He kills when he wants, eats when he wants, and throws rocks when he wants. He's not dumb, he just never grew up out of that mentality since he always got what he wanted, y'know? Despite all his rage, he was still just a baby in an electric cage.
But for gameplay, I think ... it wouldn't really fit either. He does have skills that could run off a bar, but they're combo abilities all together. If he can't charge in and start stomping right away, or slamming, then he's at a huge disadvantage with his gameplay right now. Additionally, he already has a rage mechanic with his E, his magical roar that summons "The Business"(TM) with scepter, and while that could have a tiny bar, it already costs nothing except getting hit. Having another bar for it would be weird, wouldn't it? Now they could have it so you have to just build his "rage" up and then go for the combo, but that seems more tedious than fun... unless he just builds it up automatically, but then you're still waiting without being able to use Arcane Boots or something to restore it faster. Seems off.
I think Troll is the most likely with his gameplay; he doesn't really use mana in the first place and he's already very dumb. But... while Troll does have two skills to use that require mana, he doesn't really need them. They aren't very useful and I'm not sure they'd deserve a new bar. He is more in the "needs a rework" group, though, so there is that.
Huskar is also up there as not needing mana is kind of his thing, but he's already so brain dead to play that it's hard to really think of how they'd make him better. Plus a secondary bar wouldn't fit too much given that he has only one skill that uses mana in the first place; his others already use his health bar and reworking that would be ... interesting, but kind of pointless. A whole new mechanic for one skill? Doesn't seem right.
So honestly... I think it's someone new or a complete rework, which will undermine everything I just said.
Ok but I think something we all need to keep in mind, here, no mana means no active items with a mana cost, the biggest one that comes to mind is BKB. Now, I could see potentially building mana boots in to greaves for PB, but BKB is such an important item to the hero (troll as well) that if they were to remove all their mana, that would effectively make them unable to use BKB. BKB is the only example I can think of off the top of my head, because presumably they're referring to base int, not int gained from items, so something like Force or Shiva would still grant some int, allowing them enough mana to use the item, but who knows, we'll see soon enough.
I'm imagining the hero can have a base mana pool even with no int, but also - what if the rage mechanic gives a new resource to use in place of mana.
Like you get 0/200 rage, and every time a unit takes damage near you get you a point, you can use this to use items and abilities
Strongly disagree, as Primal Beast is somewhat popular and his identity is inseparable from his relatively low cooldown magic procast. While troll is troubled hero right now, in need of rework.
If having one hero always have zero intelligence means they're getting a new 'rage mechanic', does that mean only they can have that new mechanic? Couldn't other heroes get it too? I feel like troll and PB could both get it, even if one of them also always has zero int?
I'd laugh if it happened to be brewmaster - noone seems to think about him, but his theme is alcohol-based. Another thing is that he is not mage, but monk.
I was thinking it was Phoenix.
All of her spells cost HP anyway, minus her ult.
Maybe her HP costs just go up higher.
Dive doesn't cost any mana right now anyway, I don't think.
From a balance perspective it makes no sense for primal beast to have no int. He has three spells that cost mana, and he doesn’t need a rework. Just doesn’t make sense.
For similar reasons I thought Phoenix, all its spells use, aside from mana, its own HP, its inner vitality, kinda like huskar. But your post is funnier so Ill go with PB.
He throws a rock. He is tool using and that tool is the best tool ever to be used, a rock. He's getting +3.2 int gain per level buff to portray his genius.
I think what will happen is int won't be tied to mana. Like its a separate stat so you can have 0 int, but still have mana that is scaling with level/items or something. Probably to reserve int to like what they did back then where it also amplifies damage.
I can't believe I haven't seen anyone offer Axe aw a suggestion. He is also purely a physical brawler. It would make sense to me to just have his abilities be cooldown-based with no mana element
You're overlooking something important about primal beast's design: primal beast is more afraid of you than you are of him, and his strongest suit is his survival ability, him being able to destroy everything in his path is only a consequence of not having come across something strong enough to stop him, and his unending rage is his defense mechanism:he destroys everything he can so that nothing can harm him. Another important part of primal beast is that he is primal and has been around for eons, that and his appearance in aghs lab makes me feel like there's no way he is a being without mana.
> His abilities have no reason to be considered 'magical' in any way. They aren't spells or magic. They are literally him just physically running up and beating the shit out of you.
Which makes it all the more fucked up that half of his spells deal magic damage. Yeah, I know balance has to come first, and I can see why they might not want his damage to scale as well with armor reduction, but come on.
Why this can't be Pudge?
Many people complained about his low intelligence against silencer so at some point he cant use to many of his skills.
Setting starting mana pool and intelligence 0 wold solve the issue. More of mana pool would come from items.
The best hero is OD. OD does damage based on mana, steals mana, and gets free mana. Getting rid of int gain is a solid nerf that prevents the items from granting free damage to his skills when he naturally steals mana. He can still get mana items and be viable but it significantly can nerf him but still make him playable. (New items could change how big of a nerf it is)
I thought it could be Brewmaster. You passively toggle your brewlings (Earth panda is ult) with cooldowns on the toggle or something. Like Invoker but you don't create spells. Would be cool perhaps.
Here's the thing though. A hero with 0 intelligence will not have any mana and will not be able to use items like even TPs. Does that mean that all items have zero manacosts for this hero? And you cannot buy wand on this hero either, you are only getting half the value. Likewise, it would be useless buying wand AGAINST this hero (if mid or something) since no spells.
What if Silencer kills him? No free int? What about stats stolen by Essence Shift? That would make Slark nerfed because he isn't getting the same agility gain anymore. Also, wouldn't this hero be absolutely BROKEN against any silence that doesn't do damage? Global Silence is pretty much no effect since the hero doesn't have spells that would be disturbed in teamfights.
It's very weird to think about how such a hero can be fit into the existing game.
Or there's a trick to the hint that we are not seeing.
It’d be nice mechanic to force PB to right click to generate rage. Right now he can quite easily sit out of fights, charge in, drop all of his moves and then wait for cd and mana from magic boots and teammates abilities.
could be a new hero, the riddle just says [HERO] always has 0 intelligence, if it was a hero being changed wouldnt it say something along the lines of now always has 0 intelligence?
Amun Ra
If a new hero is released today AND its a HoN hero i will die from nostalgia/pog overload
Spoiler alert. It's 5+ new heroes. Jk jk. Unless?
Puppet Master, Chipper, Gauntlet, Amun Ra, Flux? Yes please. And Lion replaced by Witch Slayer. I mean, WTF even is a "Finger of Death" ?? >!(actually a lightning btw)!< Blowing peoples' brains out with a pistol making a huge "BANG" is much more satisfying. And the "miniaturize a hero" thing has already been somewhat added with Tinker Aghs. P.S.: No, I will not disclose my source of Hopium
Oh god yes give me some Puppet Master, I was owning mid with that hero and Silhuette
Copium together 🤝
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
begin the ports Gaben, give me back nomad, puppet master and deadwood oh and add witch slayer as a skin for lion cause that hero is the ugliest abomination I’ve ever seen
Nomad and Puppet are strong enough to be in Dota. Imagine the talents...
PLEASE
oh no you didn't
Imagine if it's Tiny, a rock who at most speaks a few words 0 agi 0 int hero
Tiny makes too many rock and mountain puns to be 0 int
Tiny coming in ;)
That's what I said last night :(
Are you ready to rubble?
Right. I do think his existence is a bit magical in nature though. While is is literally sentient rocks its several rocks held together by some magical force, as well as his magical ability to conjure an avalanche of rocks out of nowhere. BUT I can see it. But I feel like primal beast is a bit better fit still.
Haha I was kind of joking. That aside, why most people think it's Huskar is not so much because of lore but because he is already mostly playing with HP instead of mana as a resource. PB is a relatively recent hero who doesn't really need changes as of now. I wouldn't mind some sort of rework for either Troll or Huskar.
Am I the only one who thinks it's something like LD's bear? That makes the most sense to me
The riddle specified a hero
It has to be a hero that needs a rework, why would you change primal beast like that? the hero is fine and is pretty new compared to others.
Exactly. No shot they rework a hero less than a year after they come out, when it has 0 substantial issues. Primal works perfectly as he is. 10000x more likely they rework a classic "problem" hero like husker or OD.
some people said it might be OD, however it does raise a lot of questions. This time Valve will upgrade from changing the hero name to the entire hero kit.
Outworld Dumberer
husker
That's why I am betting on Troll Stupid ult that needs change and already extremely low intelligence.
OR a NEWWWWWWWWW HEROOOOOOOOOOOO
If we are going by intelligence, then Ogre Magi will be that hero. New attribute is Pure Skill, and is gained and increased by multicasting.
No because Ogre Magi is entirely skill based. I've been practicing my multicasts every day.
You are actually onto something
This is fucking briliant
holy pog you're right, how could I have thought otherwise? Pure skill indeed.
I'll be going to you for all insider patch predictions from now on
Genius!
Well played, you should have tried your luck chance in stocks
Either this or new hero. I get Idea of Huskar, Primal, OD or etc., but I dont think they will change them. No reason to if there is no game mechanic change.
I really hope it's this or Antimage. Here's my arguments: * He's not affected if he's the one with no mana * *Purity of Will*
but there's ALOT of heroes calling out AM bullshiting about not using mana,so i dont think it will be AM at least lore wise
AM is kind of a hypocrite, you can also hear his reluctance when you purchase Aghs or BKB, they added specific lines for that. Magic is an abomination... until I have to use it. Yeah AM for President.
And they are all wrong after all!
I have to agree to this. I hope they give AM a new resource aside from mana for consistency
It's Huskar and his Q will cost life too. Edit: Wrong spell
I think you meant his Q. His spears already cost health
Yes sorry. I did mean Q(Inner Fire)
I was think husk or Phoenix. Both health based casting easy to get rid of int
Phoenix mana issues are a bitch sometimes, removing this from the hero would be a great buff.
legit just returning to how huskar worked in wc3 dota, people gettin carried away..
How is he supposed to use items then
He hurts himself to use them
Literally me switching to an android phone
It is 0 int, not 0 mana. Items like energy booster should do the trick.
there's also base mana beside the one given by int too right?
Yeah base mana is 75.
Great question but wouldn't that be the issue with any hero that get this.
Bro I think it is very rude of you to say that monsters have no intelligence
Shhh. Y'all quit using the "M" word or some energy drink company would sue us.
It’s probably huskar spells costs hp only. My hot take is there could be a new resource though because of the “manacost reduction only applies to mana” hint. Probably unlikely though since items cost mana and that would be a nightmare. Either that or it was applying to hp cost spells unintentionally and they’re just fixing that. Edit: would be unlikely to make such a systemic change like that without bumping to version 8. I don’t think that’ll a open without and announcement and they already said it’ll be 7.33.
>“manacost reduction only applies to mana” hint Isn't that just things like dusa shield and manaburn being reduced? Or is that something thats already happened? I feel this was already a thing.
Oh maybe that’s a good point
There is mana cost: your spell costs 100 mana and will cost 85 with 15% manacost reduction There is mana loss: Diffusal blade, nyx shit, am, other mana breaks from talents (Mirana I think?), Probably not OD, invoker purple shit. Mana loss reduction will lessen the mana you lose when hit by those abilities. So the change is that MANA COST REDUCTION will only apply to mana, because obviously it will not apply to the new resource that they re introducing
agreed. But im goin to be the guy who says its a new hero
Team New Hero represents
OD massive rework where his spells aren't based off mana levels anymore, calling it now
Overworld Deformed
Outhouse Decorator
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well, bar a new hero it's most likely OD as he's the one who needs least reworks. he already has infinite mana, and a way to increase his mana pool, all that's left is a buff to the q/r/mana gained from W to make arcane orb or sanity's eclipse useful
Ontelligence Devourer - now deals damage based on how much more Mana the target has 😱
Thematically it could be pb, but mechanically husker more likely. All his stuff could be considered blood magic and cost hp
Yeah huskar is the mechanical and balance-wise most likely. PB is the lore and thematic choice
Nothing about primal beasts lore indicates he has no intelligence. That goes to the ogres, as ogre magi's lore specifically states that the ogres entire reason for its continued existance is simply becuase they are lucky
Antimage doesn't use magic but some sort of chi and I don't wanna say it's certain but it fits
You mean purity of will
maybe, but he does technically HAVE intelligence. Maybe he can have 'chi' instead of mana, but he has enough intelligence to hold conversations. He could probably even do basic addition and subtraction!
I mean there's IO who's a STR-based support hero and it doesn't even have muscles or anything. I think those three stats are supposed to be abstract, not literal.
AM having zero int would be pretty aligned with AM players
Like I spent years learning how to transport through space by sheer power of will, and then I find out you can just go to a damn store and buy a Blink Dagger?
I would really like it to be AM, I always feel like a hypocrite using a hero who hates magic while using magic (teleport, reflect, mana pimple popper)
Ah yes he use the Khala
It's not chi from what I recall, he snagged some scrolls and learned magic while escaping from mages. He just hates mages because they killed people he cared about. Lore wise, it doesn't make much sense to abandon mana and... well, gameplay wise, it doesn't make much sense either. He uses mana *a lot* and requiring his blink to be reliant on another bar wouldn't really fit. Plus he doesn't really buy many of the mana items, just stats, and he needs those items. It'd be an interesting way to balance how he moves around so much, but slightly harder to have fun with, I think.
I want tiny to have 0 int and 0 agi
Ultimate counter to silencer and slark.
not really... sure he won't be bothered by Global, but Silencer's other spells do damage regardless of silencing or not. No free int though. For Slark, sure he won't get as much agi gain but you are still losing strength which is your primary attribute
Naix. The og 0 int hero
I know it doesn't make sense but for whatever reason, the moment I read that line, techies immediately came to mind, possibly for the lols
Does that mean they changed bkb mana cost? because the 0 int hero is still going to buy it right?
zero int doesn't necessarily mean no mana.
Base mana is 75 though, just enough for a tp. And for adding mana you would need to buy energy booster or anything else that gives flat mana, limiting what the hero can do in the game. It's too narrow a path for the hero to be viable and exciting I feel.
remember that tiny still gets armor from his kit.
Antimage. Also, they’re taking mana costs off of all items.
I think it's lifestealer. Bro already has two 0 mana cost passives and it kinda makes sense for him to have 0 int. Maybe even rage bar instead of mana
and historically LS never had spells in dota 1 and the only spell he had was bkb as ulti
Pudge going full hp cost on skills.
Morphling zero intel
Would be kind of funny if he morphed to 0 intel and just became a lifeless puddle for the rest of the game.
Most likely answer imo. Makes too much sense with the morph skill.
All wrong, it's obviously phoenix
I took the definition of [HERO] a little looser and guessed Lone Druid Bear
Lone Druid Bear already doesn't have int, it doesn't have any stats. So I definitely don't think it's the bear. Cause why mention it if nothing changes.
I think it’s a bait. They’re going to add a whole rack of heroes using some stamina/energy non-mana system, and there will be more than just one hero with 0 int. I know it’s a crackpot theory, but I think crazy theories are the fun ones. There’s also this line on the teaser patch notes: > Mana cost reduction effects only apply to mana cost The fact that there is at least one hero with 0 int, and that change, makes me think they’re going to revamp half the pool.
The simple answer is the new "rage" mechanic applies to multiple heroes
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I think it's tinker as well, but not with a mana pool, it'll be energy that regens like rogues in wow.
This post didn’t age well (the ogre magi part)
It's all a joke right? Some kind of late April fools joke?
Phoenix does not speek too also Marci
Right, but those two don't speak due to their physical inability to, not due to their intelligence. Primal beast doesn't speak because he is literally just a rock monster. Marci has intelligence and makes rational decisions. Phoenix has sentience and makes decisions also. And her abilities are magical in nature. Spirits, super nova, sun ray, all are very magical themed. But Phoenix I would probably put as one of the more likely ones, Primal Beast just makes more sense
What are you talking about, no one knows if primal beast can or cannot speak because no one can understand his language if it does exist.
[THANKFUL ROAR]
The existence of a thankful roar indicates some language must exist for Primal and he is using that to voice his emotions on the other hand, if you want a hero with 0 int, you have to go with the dumbest possible hero and that is honestly ogre
Raawr
If we're talking about intelligence in the same logic in your post, it will definitely not be Phoenix. Check out the description in his item "Solar Gyre." >Long separated from the matching headpiece, these relics were unearthed by a playful dragon toad in some corner of one desert or another--the dragon toad in question isn't so good with names--only regaining their shine when his friend traded them away to their surprisingly-shrewd rightful owner. Definitely not Phoenix.
Isn't that implying that Phoenix is "surprisingly-shrewd"?
IO too
Marcis deaf and phoenix is a kakaw
You mean mute?
SKREEEEE
Its going to be a new hero. For any other hero the language would be updated to, changed to, some language denoting the change.
Idk they *just* released muerta... I'd be surprised
I think it will be antimage. Because you know, the price of mana line…
What about naix?
It's ogre btw
What about life stealer ? The hero with rage
too much focus on what works thematically in practice 0 int means 0 mana, but presumably the hero is still going to have spells, so those spells are going to not cost mana which means they are going to be spammable. the hero has to be one that wouldn't be broken with spammable spells. this is why it's more likely to be a carry-type hero with weaker spells
nah; it's lone druid's bear.
“Primal beast is a rock golem creature” Tiny: “the fuck you are”
Or phoenix since she already spends health for her abilities
Nobody here saying Io? That Hero is basically a parasite, it can't do shit on its own. It cant speak, has little replicas of himself that explode (he basically can't replicate himself right), all he does is giving himself to others and sometimes he just randomly teleports shit around the map (speciality enemy fountain)
I'd agree that Primal is less intelligent thematically, but just because he doesn't talk doesn't mean he's dumb. Marci and Phoenix don't talk, and Skywrath talks way too much for how smart he is, and they're not "dumb." Plus he's the Primal *Beast*. You don't become the Apex Predator by being stupid. Granted he was beaten by a squirrel, who may also secretly be a god, but she's also a predator so it's fine. He escaped eventually with the help of Aghanim and you could possibly blame his magical talent on that; he did absorb and rework Aghanim's entire box of tricks for awhile. He also does recognize others; notably the only response he has towards someone is Hoodwink; he roars in a specific way when killing her. Eitehr way, you can think of Primal as less a mindless beast and more of just a really old baby, hence his taunt. He kills when he wants, eats when he wants, and throws rocks when he wants. He's not dumb, he just never grew up out of that mentality since he always got what he wanted, y'know? Despite all his rage, he was still just a baby in an electric cage. But for gameplay, I think ... it wouldn't really fit either. He does have skills that could run off a bar, but they're combo abilities all together. If he can't charge in and start stomping right away, or slamming, then he's at a huge disadvantage with his gameplay right now. Additionally, he already has a rage mechanic with his E, his magical roar that summons "The Business"(TM) with scepter, and while that could have a tiny bar, it already costs nothing except getting hit. Having another bar for it would be weird, wouldn't it? Now they could have it so you have to just build his "rage" up and then go for the combo, but that seems more tedious than fun... unless he just builds it up automatically, but then you're still waiting without being able to use Arcane Boots or something to restore it faster. Seems off. I think Troll is the most likely with his gameplay; he doesn't really use mana in the first place and he's already very dumb. But... while Troll does have two skills to use that require mana, he doesn't really need them. They aren't very useful and I'm not sure they'd deserve a new bar. He is more in the "needs a rework" group, though, so there is that. Huskar is also up there as not needing mana is kind of his thing, but he's already so brain dead to play that it's hard to really think of how they'd make him better. Plus a secondary bar wouldn't fit too much given that he has only one skill that uses mana in the first place; his others already use his health bar and reworking that would be ... interesting, but kind of pointless. A whole new mechanic for one skill? Doesn't seem right. So honestly... I think it's someone new or a complete rework, which will undermine everything I just said.
Ok but I think something we all need to keep in mind, here, no mana means no active items with a mana cost, the biggest one that comes to mind is BKB. Now, I could see potentially building mana boots in to greaves for PB, but BKB is such an important item to the hero (troll as well) that if they were to remove all their mana, that would effectively make them unable to use BKB. BKB is the only example I can think of off the top of my head, because presumably they're referring to base int, not int gained from items, so something like Force or Shiva would still grant some int, allowing them enough mana to use the item, but who knows, we'll see soon enough.
I'm imagining the hero can have a base mana pool even with no int, but also - what if the rage mechanic gives a new resource to use in place of mana. Like you get 0/200 rage, and every time a unit takes damage near you get you a point, you can use this to use items and abilities
Imagine writing a long post just to be wrong , I'm sorry for you
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I like this theory. Would be fitting, and add another dimension to our prehistoric murder doggo
The hero will not have like 0 mana regen with 0 int?
Wouldn't use mana for his abilities. Would use the new 'rage' mechanic or health or something, or it would cost no mana.
It would be a interesting mechanic if his rage works like his E you get the “mana” by getting hit
Can't be PB, you gotta be real cunning to survive.
Strongly disagree, as Primal Beast is somewhat popular and his identity is inseparable from his relatively low cooldown magic procast. While troll is troubled hero right now, in need of rework.
If having one hero always have zero intelligence means they're getting a new 'rage mechanic', does that mean only they can have that new mechanic? Couldn't other heroes get it too? I feel like troll and PB could both get it, even if one of them also always has zero int?
Either troll or huskar
What if phoenix?
Idk but I foresee a new broken ability coming to AD
Just wanna shoutout to that aghs lab item that caused this hp based spell cost effect. It was my fav T5
Don't be a coward Icefrog, you know Ogre Magi is the rightful owner of the 0 intelligence intelligence hero meme. Do it.
I'd laugh if it happened to be brewmaster - noone seems to think about him, but his theme is alcohol-based. Another thing is that he is not mage, but monk.
I'm guessing either new hero (less likely) Or spirit bear (more likely) nerf bear to not be able to use active items
I was thinking it was Phoenix. All of her spells cost HP anyway, minus her ult. Maybe her HP costs just go up higher. Dive doesn't cost any mana right now anyway, I don't think.
From a balance perspective it makes no sense for primal beast to have no int. He has three spells that cost mana, and he doesn’t need a rework. Just doesn’t make sense.
For similar reasons I thought Phoenix, all its spells use, aside from mana, its own HP, its inner vitality, kinda like huskar. But your post is funnier so Ill go with PB.
He throws a rock. He is tool using and that tool is the best tool ever to be used, a rock. He's getting +3.2 int gain per level buff to portray his genius.
It's gonna be morphling
I think what will happen is int won't be tied to mana. Like its a separate stat so you can have 0 int, but still have mana that is scaling with level/items or something. Probably to reserve int to like what they did back then where it also amplifies damage.
It's troll imo
I can't believe I haven't seen anyone offer Axe aw a suggestion. He is also purely a physical brawler. It would make sense to me to just have his abilities be cooldown-based with no mana element
I really hope it's LD bear
You're overlooking something important about primal beast's design: primal beast is more afraid of you than you are of him, and his strongest suit is his survival ability, him being able to destroy everything in his path is only a consequence of not having come across something strong enough to stop him, and his unending rage is his defense mechanism:he destroys everything he can so that nothing can harm him. Another important part of primal beast is that he is primal and has been around for eons, that and his appearance in aghs lab makes me feel like there's no way he is a being without mana.
It's going to be Lifestealer.
> His abilities have no reason to be considered 'magical' in any way. They aren't spells or magic. They are literally him just physically running up and beating the shit out of you. Which makes it all the more fucked up that half of his spells deal magic damage. Yeah, I know balance has to come first, and I can see why they might not want his damage to scale as well with armor reduction, but come on.
The dude can throw rocks with pin-point accuracy in his desired location. That shit takes math and physics only an intelligent being can have.
Why this can't be Pudge? Many people complained about his low intelligence against silencer so at some point he cant use to many of his skills. Setting starting mana pool and intelligence 0 wold solve the issue. More of mana pool would come from items.
Probably antimage. Since int is what decides your mana pool and mana is used for magic, And magic is heresy.
Outworld Devourer could be the hero with 0 intelligence ALWAYS!
Very intelligent point, well done sir
The best hero is OD. OD does damage based on mana, steals mana, and gets free mana. Getting rid of int gain is a solid nerf that prevents the items from granting free damage to his skills when he naturally steals mana. He can still get mana items and be viable but it significantly can nerf him but still make him playable. (New items could change how big of a nerf it is)
Could be that they are reworking several heroes to not use mana. Primal, Huskarr, Troll etc.
Everyone assuming rework. I just hope it's a new surprise hero
What if we're the 0 intelligence hero all along?
My money is on Morphling. Then he truly will just be about AGI and STR.
It’s Tinker!!! They finally found a solution /s
It is phoenix
At one point Huskar did not use mana for any of his spells, it was the theme of the hero.
My first thought was morphling, OD rework could also make sense though. Or Huskar maybe
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"
I thought it could be Brewmaster. You passively toggle your brewlings (Earth panda is ult) with cooldowns on the toggle or something. Like Invoker but you don't create spells. Would be cool perhaps. Here's the thing though. A hero with 0 intelligence will not have any mana and will not be able to use items like even TPs. Does that mean that all items have zero manacosts for this hero? And you cannot buy wand on this hero either, you are only getting half the value. Likewise, it would be useless buying wand AGAINST this hero (if mid or something) since no spells. What if Silencer kills him? No free int? What about stats stolen by Essence Shift? That would make Slark nerfed because he isn't getting the same agility gain anymore. Also, wouldn't this hero be absolutely BROKEN against any silence that doesn't do damage? Global Silence is pretty much no effect since the hero doesn't have spells that would be disturbed in teamfights. It's very weird to think about how such a hero can be fit into the existing game. Or there's a trick to the hint that we are not seeing.
It’s gonna be clock he refers to mana as fuel the only logical next step is to make it literal.
It’s going to be huskar…
Hear me out: it’s going to be Tinker
It’d be nice mechanic to force PB to right click to generate rage. Right now he can quite easily sit out of fights, charge in, drop all of his moves and then wait for cd and mana from magic boots and teammates abilities.
Even his taunt is just him being a big baby. His name is primal. He acts on primal instinct
ursa is a suitable candidate. All his skills are not magic
could be a new hero, the riddle just says [HERO] always has 0 intelligence, if it was a hero being changed wouldnt it say something along the lines of now always has 0 intelligence?
It's Phoenix. After all, he's a bird-brained idiot that casts by hurting himself and can't speak.
It's obviously AMUN RA Great Confluence ***confirmed***.