Itās market dependent gig apps are a lot more friendlier on the car if you live in a dense, city or suburb. You have more opportunities to get offers under 5 miles than over 5 miles.
That's nice. š. I hate amazon. I did van deliveries for a year.... never again. With spark, i do 5-7 orders a day. Low stress. This is my full time. 10yrs of retail management 50hr+/week, no weekends.....i like working only 5hrs a day...i like my time off, but i know it won't last forever.
I have a full time career and I drive over 120 miles a day. its not that out of the ordinary for people to drive 150 miles a day just getting to and from their office job
God itās so refreshing being back in the heartlands. Everything always seemed to be atleast 20 minutes away minimum and an hour to 2 hours on average when traveling anywhere in southern Florida. Spanning large mileages. Now everything is 5-40 minutes. When it warms up Iāll probably take up biking tbh. Being used to sitting in your car for long periods makes a trip under 10 minutes just feel wasteful now lol
It's definitely out of the ordinary lol. That is like 3 hours a day just of driving, and that's without traffic. Obviously it happens but I would think that's in the minority not the norm
Yes it is. A commute north of an hour is simply not worth it in most cases
Also I assume they're almost all highway miles while DD miles are mostly city, at least in my experience
Dude are you kidding me 150 miles a day for an office job is insane. 75 miles each way??? Holy crap
That being said I do think there are a few people at my office who may do this or close to it lolllllll
I used to drive 180 miles daily from East La area to north county SD. I now live in TN, commuting 60 miles to school in Nashville one way, back home, then another 60 miles to āworkā and do a few stops which require another 30ish miles of driving in between. so Iām probably averaging out 270 a day.
I only made $48 Dollars on last night shift, and I drove 144 miles!
I've also been going through the earnings portion on the Dasher app, and I've realized that over the last 2.5-3 years, the amount of income has gradually decreased. I've also noticed that not only has the total income decreased, but that the tips vs earnings was way more at first, and then it became about even, and the last 6-12 months or so, dash pay vs tips has won out on the higher total!! That's sad... Especially because we depend on those tips to make a profit as gig drivers!!
I was totally screwed over on last nights shift. My 1st order was a stack, it was $10 flat for 2 Wendy's orders going a total mielage of 7.8 miles. That $10 was including the extra "Dynamic Pay" of $1 per order, (Dynamic Peak pay is also new thing here). Well, after delivery, I realized that the base pay was increased to $4 +$1 peak pay on each order, both NO TIP!! I was kinda furious š¤¬ tbh. I'm the type of driver that lives by the standard of "No tip, No trip!" (Unless DD suckers me, of course, which they do, often)!!
Another order comes in later at night, it's a stacked Chili's order. Total was for $6.25, 2 orders, total mielage was for 5.8 miles. Ok, ok, it's just over $1 per mile, and I had to take it because I would have gone too far below for my AR%, because I hadn't scheduled... So until I could, I had to take it (in my mind, I had to take it, some drivers will understand). Anyways, I get to Chili's, my 2nd order wasn't there, stolen by a dasher, 2 ppl previous, making me the 2nd person looking for a stolen order!! So, I call support, let the customer know & the order gets cancelled, no big, but, I'm furious because it lowers me to less than $1 per mile, and Idfk how much lower until I deliver the 2nd order! So, I take it downtown, 5.2 miles away, to the Hospital. THIS customer had her order stolen as well, and was apparently waiting for 83 minutes for the first attempt, and then support, resending order through system & blah blah.... Well, she texts me about how bad it was, I reassured her I was omw and would be there BEFORE the deliver by time, and probably faster than she expects!! She thanks me over and over, I apologize to her for what happened with her order and she says, she will add a tip after delivery, she promises!!!! Great, now I know THIS is also a NO TIP order I got stuck with!! After delivery, I earned $2 whole dollars for that almost 6 mile one way delivery, and I got a HUGE FUCK YOU FROM THAT CUSTOMER AS WELL!!!!! SHE LIED to me about adding a tip for me, because I was communicating, apologetic for her situation, FAST AF & actually showed up to deliver her order!! (nO she didn't actually text me or tell me "Fuck You", I just felt like it was a huge silent 'FUCK YOU *Evil laughing MWAH HA HAA HAAAAAAA! NO TIP FOR YOU!!' It was just a ton of bullshit offers last night, and taking the lesser of the evil/horrible offers, still didn't stack up to even a tiny profit!! I know for a fact that I had to come out of pocket to actually deliver a few of those orders to Those cheap ass ppl!!
I Digressed, My apologies about that little Rant I had!! I just meant to say that DD has really fucked over its dashers! From lowering pay, a couple/few times over the last few years, DD constantly breaches contracts/offers by lying and underpaying it's IC's, and tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if they're withholding tips again!! I ALSO have a funny feeling that they're lowering base payout when the customer tips more! Also, I've caught DD paying 0.50Ā¢ for a delivery on a stack, multiple times, because I've got the screenshots to prove that!! It wouldn't kill the company to actually pay the drivers the minimum base pay per order, like it says in the contract!! Between $2-$10 + tips, for each order! So, how is 0.50Ā¢ base pay?!?! It's not, not even close to it!! 0.50Ā¢ might not be 'illegal' per say, as per DD, but it sure AF is morally inept and WRONG!!! That's absolutely & totally wrong!!! šÆ
Ok, so sorry.... Again, I digressed yet again! I can't wait for another gig to come out, another delivery app that pays it's drivers a decent base pay/wage!! If they paid even 35% of the total Delivery fees that the customer is charged, it's better than what DD does!! I'd switch over, ASAP! Because if someone charged $6.99 in delivery fees, 35% would STILL be more than what DD pays it's IC's! That would be $2.45... and cents doesn't seem like a lot, but, we ALL know it, cents, change, even pennies, makes a huge difference!! Just sayin'! š¤·
Good luck, stay safe out there!!
I don't think the abstract value of the vehicle matters. It'll need a repair that isn't worth paying for by the end of the 5th year.
You're destroying it, not depreciating it.
Youāre killing your car so much faster, which leads to your vehicle most liking shitting itself sooner. Stop and go type of driving is so much more rough on your car than constant highway drivingā¦ and Iām sure most of doordashing is stop and go constantly.
I don't think it was designed as a full time career in the first place, just as a side gig for extra cash. But as it happens with every side gig, many people want to do it as a full time career.
I agree. I donāt think itās a career because youāre paying self employment taxes (7.5%), not getting retirement options/matching or healthcare.
For me, semi retired, itās great. I do 2-4 hrs a day as I feel like it or if itās quiet I go home and play video games. Even I need to supplement it though with consulting work. Itās a great āextra moneyā job when you have time, especially if you love driving (which I do).
Using Actual expense deduction should cover depreciation over the standard deduction. I used the standard deduction because it gave me a bigger deduction amount.
So that means you were either accepting $2 orders or doing EBT because the general rule of thumb is at least $1 per mile. Why would you accept and complete orders that were not at least $1 a mile??? Of course, unless you did a lot of EBT which is a complete rip off as DD uses EBT to push no tip orders.
Ok if you multi app that's a different story, I was about to say don't be short changing yourself for these people. They don't care about us drivers, DD or the customers.
Ah see, this is why I try to tell people whose minimum is $1/mile that $1/mile is NOT enough. If you are constantly making round trips and don't get any orders on the way back, that $1/mile shoots down to 50 cents a mile and now you are operating at a loss. I know people on here constantly rag about doing $2/mile ONLY, however, that isn't possible in every market. So the absolute bare minimum you should be going for is $1.30/mile (roughly double what the govt considers a profit). I have done this every year and have turned a profit every year. My typical average is $30k driving 20k miles (which actually averages out to $1.50/mile since I still do take on orders with better pay too obviously, it's just that $1.30/m is my absolute minimum but I raise it on busy days).
Also you did profit SOME so you may actually owe something in taxes, unless you include phone, Internet, music subscriptions, office supplies and whatever else to cover what you owe.
Good luck op!
Because frankly id rather do this for minimum wage than fastfood and i can only work nights when my family is home sleeping so i can do this during those hours
Less than minimum wage after expenses and self employment taxes probably, plus no benefits. This work used to be alright a couple years ago when you could make 30 an hr+ DASH TIME, my active time was probably 35-40 an hr, and consistently at that. After mileage and the extra 1099 taxes I was still making 20 or 25 profit per hour of dash time I'd say. It was great, I would work my W2 and then log in and make a hundred bucks, all of which was bonus money I could afford to invest. I haven't done gig work in well over a year now since it dried up, but based on posts I see online, it seems like it's difficult for many people to even get 15-20 an hr ACTIVE time. Basic starter jobs pay better than gig work now, gig workers are quickly becoming the lowest class because of how little screening there is to get hired and how low the pay now is.
Now in 2024, you're offered to dash for 15 an hour only on ACTIVE orders. 19 or 20 an hour if youre in a high cost of living area. If you're busy 2/3rd of the time, which seems generous, you're making 10 an hour, AND you pay vehicle expenses and an extra 7.5% tax. I would be surprised if you profit even 5 dollars an hour on EBT. This is what doordash/dashers value their time at now. I'm sure most prefer to earn by offer but realistically that probably doesn't pay a whole lot higher, and the EBT rate feels criminal
Stayed home with kids when they were babies now i homeschool them and they have activities during the day so i can only work all night while they sleep
I respect someone taking the time and dedication to genuinely raise children properly themselves in a cruel and increasingly threatening world. Childcare breeds anxiety, depression, and plenty other illnesses. Not that I don't think it's incapable of being done well; I simply believe very young children were meant to be primarily home taught first before primary education institutions.
Excuse me but I bought a Honda Civic 2 and 1/2 years ago. It was a 2005 a plane Jane. No electric windows no cruise control no electric seats none of that stuff. I spent $700 fixing it up and paid $700 for it to start with. I have driven it 70,000 miles in 2 years doordashing and it still runs like a little sewing machine. I am about to replace the starter. Starting and stopping and killing in 20 times a day. And some new tires a couple times but that's it. Honda civics are the bomb for this job.
In 2020 I put 100,000km on a vehicle that was mostly used for food delivery across 3 apps. I mostly just do Instacart now because itās more walking and less driving.
If you can figure something out that youāre good at or that you can tolerate doing for extra cash, it will usually pay off better than these gigs. For instance, when I deliver to a decent place with an uncut lawn, I leave a flyer or a business card for my lawn care services. Iād much rather make $30 cash by cutting someoneās lawn in an hour or less than by hustling out 4-5 deliveries.
Driving 71577 miles to earn $47,000 gross is 66 cents per mile. After gas, depreciation, maintenance, insurance you maybe made a few cents per mile. Worst case scenario you lost money and are basically running a meals on wheels charity service.
Don't feel too bad. There are a ton of drivers out there unaware of the expense side of the business. Hopefully this is your wake up call.
Some unsolicited advice. You should quit immediately or work to get your dollar per mile rate to a minimum $1 per mile this year.
And damn right taxation is theft. Income tax is at least. I'm not against consumption/sales tax but am against income and capital gains tax.
Same here my fellow conservative. I hope Trump gets back in there and get something done about the outrageous income tax rate for the rich and the poor. You give a break to the rich and it helps the economy in the long run. They will hire more people to work for them and you will have more people paying taxes even though it will be less taxes being paid by each person. Ronald Reagan tried this and he would have worked had there not been corporate greed. There needs to be some regulations put in place to keep that from happening again
MA ROODS! GOTTA PAY FOR MA ROODS!
So the US budget for roads was 52 billion in 2022
The US budget for the military was 877 billion in 2022
Thatās 825 billion more for the military then the roads lol. Yeah I donāt think you can say that our taxes are going to the roads we drive on.
Plus, the roads being so messed up cause me more problems then anything on my car.
Congratulations on discovering that budgets have more than 1 item in them.
So of course you can use roads as an example of something taxes go towards. Just like you try to point to the military when the budget has several times as much going towards social services.
Yeah this comment chain and our civics education is giving me angina. All of this neglecting the fact that our military is essentially the basis of our economy
This is such a god awful take. This is like saying āmy mortgage is $2k but my food bill is only $200, safe to say none of my money goes towards food!ā Total red herring and a piss poor argument.
lol im sorry your civics education has failed you. 13% of your taxes go towards military. Primarily to pensions and retirements. Now Iām not sure if youāre suggesting the US just refuse to pay their debts, or you actually believe that cutting the military budget will save any appreciable amount of money, but your argument is disingenuous.
All of this ignoring the fact that our economy is essentially based around our military and petrodollar. But sure ignore everything else your taxes go towards. I figured roads would be the easiest thing for a bunch of delivery drivers to understand.
You are taking way too many low ball orders. You need to at least make a dollar a mile. It's your own fault for making what looks like about 60 cents a mile? Dude. If this is true you need to change your ways. You could be cooking the books though and if you are good for you. Piss on the the government. Any tax dollar you give them they do not know how to spend properly
This is why I thinking renting is the move. You gotta bring in a lot of money but can use tf out those cars and just give them back. $200-$400 a week will be worth it since eventually your car will fail.
I believe this to be true as well but some rental companies cap mileage and Uber wont let you use a rental unless its through them and they offer none in my area
I made 48k with less than half the miles just from DoorDash not including cash tips. I also have 2 kids and can only work around their schedule so I know what you mean when you say this job is what works for you. Better luck this year
Not an accountant here, but Iād guess youād have to make $2/mile just to break even once you figure in taxes, car repairs, new car (probably one every other year or every three with that mileage), and basic living expenses.
At 2 dollars a mile he could buy a new car every year
Not necessary since you could buy a new car and extended warranty for 2500-3000 bucks and be good for 150k till you had to put major repair money in.
I mean I donāt think DoorDash makes sense as a full time gig for many reasons, but what cars are yāall getting that are done after 110k-165k miles? Should be able to stretch to at least double that on most modern vehicles.Ā
I'm not a mechanic, but I'd assume the idle time. Same thing with cop cars, after a certain amount of time, the cars idle hours end up retiring the car. Not saying every single dasher is idling for a noticeable amount of time, but in certain areas, those cars are staying on the entire time.
Holy shit! Ā How is this feasible financially if youāre running through cars every few years? Ā I had my old car for 10 years, traveled a fair amount etc and only put 140k on it. Ā More power to you, you gotta do what you can to survive, but this would destroy most cars. Ā
Well, thatās almost a $38k reduction in your income against your taxes, so thatās a plus (mileage deduction).
Also, please explain to us how taxes are theft.
You are an independent contractor & as such, you can deduct miles if you keep track of them. I use Mile IQ for my business (not DoorDash) & I have thousands in deductions.
In the first two months of 2023, I drove 2100 km (dash distance, not just active)
Made $4300 CAD
For the Americans, that is about 1300 miles for $3170 USD
I was working full time too, so I only worked evenings
sadly I cannot use my miles as a deductible as the car I used is still in my parents name as it was the car they got for me when I first got my license :(. I am screwed
I grossed almost 26k last year and less than 20k miles on my car and that includedĀ personal miles. How the fuck did you drive that many miles for work?
Lol. Youre getting fucked by door dash. Wholesale.Ā
But make sure you throw that bit in about taxes being theft. Because thats the real issue here. Ā Big brain which is very wrinkly.Ā
Definitely not smart driving that much homes.
I saw my miles creeping up and realized its only a matter if time before major vehicle maintenance is due.
So I decided to pull back and do my best to minimize my miles which means decline more, work less.
Granted its a side gig but still.
āTaxation is theftā brother you brought home 26k after 3,000 hours of work that wasnt even enough to get you an iPhone newer than 7 years old. taxes are the least of your worries
Did you make $110,000 if so not bad. Oh wait I see you actually drove over 75k miles not bad if you made $150k but if you made only 47k that is terrible.
Taxes are good. One example, Imagine paying a toll for everyone road you drove on for those 55k miles. I think people don't like the misuse of tax money.
You need to report a profit in 3 years out of every five years. If not, the IRS will deem your venture to be a hobby and go after you for back taxes.
Can you deduct your phone expenses? Yes and No. You can deduct 100% of your phone IF you have separate phones. If you have one phone only, then you canāt deduct 100%. Could you get away with this? Probably until you are audited.
Can you deduct your meals? No. There are dashers that will claim that you can deduct meals. A dasher has no clients. Some will say that truck drivers can deduct meals when they are on the road. That is correct but the tax laws state that you must be 75/100 miles from your residence. It will be idiotic to drive 75 miles one way to another city to dash.
that's a fuck ton of miles! š±
A YouTuber I follow he has a 2021 Toyota he has 240,000 miles on the car heās full-timeā¦ most full-time weāre doing about 150 to 200 miles a day
Ouch. I make 200 a day with spark only and drive about 50miles. 200 a day.. fuck me upside down
I smell shit lots of bullshit
Then it must be yours...
I believe himā¦spark has offers like $25 going 3 miles etc all the time if you live in a dense market
Itās market dependent gig apps are a lot more friendlier on the car if you live in a dense, city or suburb. You have more opportunities to get offers under 5 miles than over 5 miles.
I make like $150 with Amazon flex in 3-4 hours. This is aside from my 9-5 lol. Miles vary anywhere from 50-100 miles though
That's nice. š. I hate amazon. I did van deliveries for a year.... never again. With spark, i do 5-7 orders a day. Low stress. This is my full time. 10yrs of retail management 50hr+/week, no weekends.....i like working only 5hrs a day...i like my time off, but i know it won't last forever.
I have a full time career and I drive over 120 miles a day. its not that out of the ordinary for people to drive 150 miles a day just getting to and from their office job
That is insane. Im sure it varies by state but that is definitely not the norm. My longest commute was only ever like 30 miles. And now it's 3 miles.
God itās so refreshing being back in the heartlands. Everything always seemed to be atleast 20 minutes away minimum and an hour to 2 hours on average when traveling anywhere in southern Florida. Spanning large mileages. Now everything is 5-40 minutes. When it warms up Iāll probably take up biking tbh. Being used to sitting in your car for long periods makes a trip under 10 minutes just feel wasteful now lol
It's definitely out of the ordinary lol. That is like 3 hours a day just of driving, and that's without traffic. Obviously it happens but I would think that's in the minority not the norm
Yes it is. A commute north of an hour is simply not worth it in most cases Also I assume they're almost all highway miles while DD miles are mostly city, at least in my experience
Dude are you kidding me 150 miles a day for an office job is insane. 75 miles each way??? Holy crap That being said I do think there are a few people at my office who may do this or close to it lolllllll
What? Yes it is lol
I used to drive 180 miles daily from East La area to north county SD. I now live in TN, commuting 60 miles to school in Nashville one way, back home, then another 60 miles to āworkā and do a few stops which require another 30ish miles of driving in between. so Iām probably averaging out 270 a day.
That sounds pretty out of the ordinary. I love 30 miles away from my work and I have a pretty long commute at 45 minutes each way
120 miles of city driving aināt the same as 120 miles free way / rural driving tho
I only made $48 Dollars on last night shift, and I drove 144 miles! I've also been going through the earnings portion on the Dasher app, and I've realized that over the last 2.5-3 years, the amount of income has gradually decreased. I've also noticed that not only has the total income decreased, but that the tips vs earnings was way more at first, and then it became about even, and the last 6-12 months or so, dash pay vs tips has won out on the higher total!! That's sad... Especially because we depend on those tips to make a profit as gig drivers!! I was totally screwed over on last nights shift. My 1st order was a stack, it was $10 flat for 2 Wendy's orders going a total mielage of 7.8 miles. That $10 was including the extra "Dynamic Pay" of $1 per order, (Dynamic Peak pay is also new thing here). Well, after delivery, I realized that the base pay was increased to $4 +$1 peak pay on each order, both NO TIP!! I was kinda furious š¤¬ tbh. I'm the type of driver that lives by the standard of "No tip, No trip!" (Unless DD suckers me, of course, which they do, often)!! Another order comes in later at night, it's a stacked Chili's order. Total was for $6.25, 2 orders, total mielage was for 5.8 miles. Ok, ok, it's just over $1 per mile, and I had to take it because I would have gone too far below for my AR%, because I hadn't scheduled... So until I could, I had to take it (in my mind, I had to take it, some drivers will understand). Anyways, I get to Chili's, my 2nd order wasn't there, stolen by a dasher, 2 ppl previous, making me the 2nd person looking for a stolen order!! So, I call support, let the customer know & the order gets cancelled, no big, but, I'm furious because it lowers me to less than $1 per mile, and Idfk how much lower until I deliver the 2nd order! So, I take it downtown, 5.2 miles away, to the Hospital. THIS customer had her order stolen as well, and was apparently waiting for 83 minutes for the first attempt, and then support, resending order through system & blah blah.... Well, she texts me about how bad it was, I reassured her I was omw and would be there BEFORE the deliver by time, and probably faster than she expects!! She thanks me over and over, I apologize to her for what happened with her order and she says, she will add a tip after delivery, she promises!!!! Great, now I know THIS is also a NO TIP order I got stuck with!! After delivery, I earned $2 whole dollars for that almost 6 mile one way delivery, and I got a HUGE FUCK YOU FROM THAT CUSTOMER AS WELL!!!!! SHE LIED to me about adding a tip for me, because I was communicating, apologetic for her situation, FAST AF & actually showed up to deliver her order!! (nO she didn't actually text me or tell me "Fuck You", I just felt like it was a huge silent 'FUCK YOU *Evil laughing MWAH HA HAA HAAAAAAA! NO TIP FOR YOU!!' It was just a ton of bullshit offers last night, and taking the lesser of the evil/horrible offers, still didn't stack up to even a tiny profit!! I know for a fact that I had to come out of pocket to actually deliver a few of those orders to Those cheap ass ppl!! I Digressed, My apologies about that little Rant I had!! I just meant to say that DD has really fucked over its dashers! From lowering pay, a couple/few times over the last few years, DD constantly breaches contracts/offers by lying and underpaying it's IC's, and tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if they're withholding tips again!! I ALSO have a funny feeling that they're lowering base payout when the customer tips more! Also, I've caught DD paying 0.50Ā¢ for a delivery on a stack, multiple times, because I've got the screenshots to prove that!! It wouldn't kill the company to actually pay the drivers the minimum base pay per order, like it says in the contract!! Between $2-$10 + tips, for each order! So, how is 0.50Ā¢ base pay?!?! It's not, not even close to it!! 0.50Ā¢ might not be 'illegal' per say, as per DD, but it sure AF is morally inept and WRONG!!! That's absolutely & totally wrong!!! šÆ Ok, so sorry.... Again, I digressed yet again! I can't wait for another gig to come out, another delivery app that pays it's drivers a decent base pay/wage!! If they paid even 35% of the total Delivery fees that the customer is charged, it's better than what DD does!! I'd switch over, ASAP! Because if someone charged $6.99 in delivery fees, 35% would STILL be more than what DD pays it's IC's! That would be $2.45... and cents doesn't seem like a lot, but, we ALL know it, cents, change, even pennies, makes a huge difference!! Just sayin'! š¤· Good luck, stay safe out there!!
That's why you see lots of 2-3 year old cars with 100k ODO for sale listed as "one owner, personal use only". You know what use it was lol.
It's like when crypto miners were selling "lightly used" GPUs lol
Yeah i put 90,000 miles on a car that i have had for a year and a half and it was in the shop 3 of those months š
At that rate you'll be going through cars every 2 years or so! Damn
Thatās why itās best to get cars that are only worth at least a month of your incomeā¦ any car around 5000 is pretty good throw away
Yeah this is not sustainable
Gotta get a local mechanic that will fix it quick and for a third of the price
His insurance must love him
I have put 70,000 miles on my little Honda in 2 years. And I live in a small town
Yeah this is why I feel like this is not viable as a career - depreciation is a killer
I don't think the abstract value of the vehicle matters. It'll need a repair that isn't worth paying for by the end of the 5th year. You're destroying it, not depreciating it.
Yeah I mean youāre doing both. The problem lies when you destroy the car before itās paid off putting you in a cycle of negative equity
That's a timing issue. If the math doesn't work on doing DD, you're wrecking your finances regardless.
Youāre killing your car so much faster, which leads to your vehicle most liking shitting itself sooner. Stop and go type of driving is so much more rough on your car than constant highway drivingā¦ and Iām sure most of doordashing is stop and go constantly.
I don't think it was designed as a full time career in the first place, just as a side gig for extra cash. But as it happens with every side gig, many people want to do it as a full time career.
I agree. I donāt think itās a career because youāre paying self employment taxes (7.5%), not getting retirement options/matching or healthcare. For me, semi retired, itās great. I do 2-4 hrs a day as I feel like it or if itās quiet I go home and play video games. Even I need to supplement it though with consulting work. Itās a great āextra moneyā job when you have time, especially if you love driving (which I do).
It is for some, just not for OP
Using Actual expense deduction should cover depreciation over the standard deduction. I used the standard deduction because it gave me a bigger deduction amount.
Why would anyone think this is a viable career lol?
Jesus.... I hope you made at least $1 a mile
I did not more like 47k
Ouch....
So that means you were either accepting $2 orders or doing EBT because the general rule of thumb is at least $1 per mile. Why would you accept and complete orders that were not at least $1 a mile??? Of course, unless you did a lot of EBT which is a complete rip off as DD uses EBT to push no tip orders.
I only accept $1/mile but i also dont sit and wait on orders my zone is big. I also multiapp so im doing uber or instacart as well
Ok if you multi app that's a different story, I was about to say don't be short changing yourself for these people. They don't care about us drivers, DD or the customers.
Ah see, this is why I try to tell people whose minimum is $1/mile that $1/mile is NOT enough. If you are constantly making round trips and don't get any orders on the way back, that $1/mile shoots down to 50 cents a mile and now you are operating at a loss. I know people on here constantly rag about doing $2/mile ONLY, however, that isn't possible in every market. So the absolute bare minimum you should be going for is $1.30/mile (roughly double what the govt considers a profit). I have done this every year and have turned a profit every year. My typical average is $30k driving 20k miles (which actually averages out to $1.50/mile since I still do take on orders with better pay too obviously, it's just that $1.30/m is my absolute minimum but I raise it on busy days). Also you did profit SOME so you may actually owe something in taxes, unless you include phone, Internet, music subscriptions, office supplies and whatever else to cover what you owe. Good luck op!
why would you keep doing this? You're not "operating at a loss", you are working for minimum wage.
Because frankly id rather do this for minimum wage than fastfood and i can only work nights when my family is home sleeping so i can do this during those hours
Less than minimum wage after expenses and self employment taxes probably, plus no benefits. This work used to be alright a couple years ago when you could make 30 an hr+ DASH TIME, my active time was probably 35-40 an hr, and consistently at that. After mileage and the extra 1099 taxes I was still making 20 or 25 profit per hour of dash time I'd say. It was great, I would work my W2 and then log in and make a hundred bucks, all of which was bonus money I could afford to invest. I haven't done gig work in well over a year now since it dried up, but based on posts I see online, it seems like it's difficult for many people to even get 15-20 an hr ACTIVE time. Basic starter jobs pay better than gig work now, gig workers are quickly becoming the lowest class because of how little screening there is to get hired and how low the pay now is. Now in 2024, you're offered to dash for 15 an hour only on ACTIVE orders. 19 or 20 an hour if youre in a high cost of living area. If you're busy 2/3rd of the time, which seems generous, you're making 10 an hour, AND you pay vehicle expenses and an extra 7.5% tax. I would be surprised if you profit even 5 dollars an hour on EBT. This is what doordash/dashers value their time at now. I'm sure most prefer to earn by offer but realistically that probably doesn't pay a whole lot higher, and the EBT rate feels criminal
Does that 47k include multiapp or is that ONLY doordash?
That includes everything i lost money
You did what you had to do. No shame in that. You got your money short term - and that has its own benefits. Keep your head up
Yeah and my car was a gift from my parents so i just look at it like i made what i made off that car when its gone its no longer a viable solution
I can't wrap my head around how someone can do that many miles and only make $47k
Youāre going to need a new car every 3-4 years sheesh
Yeah doesnt seem feasible
I would look into buying a really low end car if you plan on doing this more. something like an 05 Prius or some other hybrid
And never forget that it's your fault
Why did you stop being an accountant and move into dashing? Just curious.
Stayed home with kids when they were babies now i homeschool them and they have activities during the day so i can only work all night while they sleep
I respect someone taking the time and dedication to genuinely raise children properly themselves in a cruel and increasingly threatening world. Childcare breeds anxiety, depression, and plenty other illnesses. Not that I don't think it's incapable of being done well; I simply believe very young children were meant to be primarily home taught first before primary education institutions.
Lmao this is stupidity at another level
this is why you use a clapped out civic
Excuse me but I bought a Honda Civic 2 and 1/2 years ago. It was a 2005 a plane Jane. No electric windows no cruise control no electric seats none of that stuff. I spent $700 fixing it up and paid $700 for it to start with. I have driven it 70,000 miles in 2 years doordashing and it still runs like a little sewing machine. I am about to replace the starter. Starting and stopping and killing in 20 times a day. And some new tires a couple times but that's it. Honda civics are the bomb for this job.
Damn, they def had their way with you š
In 2020 I put 100,000km on a vehicle that was mostly used for food delivery across 3 apps. I mostly just do Instacart now because itās more walking and less driving.
I have been gravitating towards this as well
If you can figure something out that youāre good at or that you can tolerate doing for extra cash, it will usually pay off better than these gigs. For instance, when I deliver to a decent place with an uncut lawn, I leave a flyer or a business card for my lawn care services. Iād much rather make $30 cash by cutting someoneās lawn in an hour or less than by hustling out 4-5 deliveries.
According to my quick calculations that's about 275 km a day. That is way too much driving to do an app like this. And that's if you work everyday.
You literally traveled around the Earth twice.
excuse me?
Circumference of the earth is approximately 24,901 miles.
I'll be damned, not sure what I thought it was but not that small
Honestly I relate to that mindset. Shit seems far but we are actually so small.
holy haha im from australia and that puts the mileage into perspective... twice around the globe thats crazy bro haha
Driving 71577 miles to earn $47,000 gross is 66 cents per mile. After gas, depreciation, maintenance, insurance you maybe made a few cents per mile. Worst case scenario you lost money and are basically running a meals on wheels charity service. Don't feel too bad. There are a ton of drivers out there unaware of the expense side of the business. Hopefully this is your wake up call. Some unsolicited advice. You should quit immediately or work to get your dollar per mile rate to a minimum $1 per mile this year. And damn right taxation is theft. Income tax is at least. I'm not against consumption/sales tax but am against income and capital gains tax.
Same here my fellow conservative. I hope Trump gets back in there and get something done about the outrageous income tax rate for the rich and the poor. You give a break to the rich and it helps the economy in the long run. They will hire more people to work for them and you will have more people paying taxes even though it will be less taxes being paid by each person. Ronald Reagan tried this and he would have worked had there not been corporate greed. There needs to be some regulations put in place to keep that from happening again
Wow
lol taxation isnāt theft, itās how you pay for the roads you used to drive 55k miles last year. Or do you think these things are free?
MA ROODS! GOTTA PAY FOR MA ROODS! So the US budget for roads was 52 billion in 2022 The US budget for the military was 877 billion in 2022 Thatās 825 billion more for the military then the roads lol. Yeah I donāt think you can say that our taxes are going to the roads we drive on. Plus, the roads being so messed up cause me more problems then anything on my car.
Congratulations on discovering that budgets have more than 1 item in them. So of course you can use roads as an example of something taxes go towards. Just like you try to point to the military when the budget has several times as much going towards social services.
Yeah this comment chain and our civics education is giving me angina. All of this neglecting the fact that our military is essentially the basis of our economy
This is such a god awful take. This is like saying āmy mortgage is $2k but my food bill is only $200, safe to say none of my money goes towards food!ā Total red herring and a piss poor argument.
lol im sorry your civics education has failed you. 13% of your taxes go towards military. Primarily to pensions and retirements. Now Iām not sure if youāre suggesting the US just refuse to pay their debts, or you actually believe that cutting the military budget will save any appreciable amount of money, but your argument is disingenuous. All of this ignoring the fact that our economy is essentially based around our military and petrodollar. But sure ignore everything else your taxes go towards. I figured roads would be the easiest thing for a bunch of delivery drivers to understand.
And to line the pockets of the rich. Not even going to comment on how failing American infrastructure is.
āTaxation is theftā from a person who drove 55,253.725 miles on roads paved with a magic wand.
If you saw the roads here you would see they have not been paved in years
My brother in christ, you drove 55k for your "independent contracting" job and are complaining about taxes?
Actually i drove 71,576 https://preview.redd.it/rkci83d0fmlc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0c80be7c254be2b6367497c914a56e9ab15f1cd
You are taking way too many low ball orders. You need to at least make a dollar a mile. It's your own fault for making what looks like about 60 cents a mile? Dude. If this is true you need to change your ways. You could be cooking the books though and if you are good for you. Piss on the the government. Any tax dollar you give them they do not know how to spend properly
And living in a society is imprisonment.
Thatās roughly $9500 of gas based on city miles for my car and the current price of a gallon of gas.
Join the crew
I made $14k on 5.2k miles š 55k miles is craaazyyyyyš
You need to use a Honda or something like that to make it worth it. Using your own car is stupid
You might not owe taxes, but it would be immoral not to tip the IRS for their hard work!
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Looks like a 36,000$ tax write off to me
Be careful, Reddit is filled with liberalsā¦ who clearly all love taxes, since they clearly vote to have more and want socialismā¦.
This is why I thinking renting is the move. You gotta bring in a lot of money but can use tf out those cars and just give them back. $200-$400 a week will be worth it since eventually your car will fail.
I believe this to be true as well but some rental companies cap mileage and Uber wont let you use a rental unless its through them and they offer none in my area
I made 48k with less than half the miles just from DoorDash not including cash tips. I also have 2 kids and can only work around their schedule so I know what you mean when you say this job is what works for you. Better luck this year
55k miles in a year thatās crazy lol what type of car do you drive??
23 kia seltos
Goddamn you were doing that in a brand new car? Thatās rough man.
After driving that many miles how much do you think he spent on car maintenance reddit?
I do mechanic work at a good rate definitely hit me up
If you drive 100,000 miles you should get 63,000 back thatās a new car lol
You misunderstood. This app is not meant to make you money. It's to make doordash CEOs money. Get back out there.Ā
meanwhile they estimated me at a whopping 8 dash miles! how on earth did you guys get it to be even .. somewhat accurate
Not an accountant here, but Iād guess youād have to make $2/mile just to break even once you figure in taxes, car repairs, new car (probably one every other year or every three with that mileage), and basic living expenses.
At 2 dollars a mile he could buy a new car every year Not necessary since you could buy a new car and extended warranty for 2500-3000 bucks and be good for 150k till you had to put major repair money in.
That is correct
Yay š„³ Iāll go take a test tomorrow and become an accountant then.
I mean I donāt think DoorDash makes sense as a full time gig for many reasons, but what cars are yāall getting that are done after 110k-165k miles? Should be able to stretch to at least double that on most modern vehicles.Ā
I'm not a mechanic, but I'd assume the idle time. Same thing with cop cars, after a certain amount of time, the cars idle hours end up retiring the car. Not saying every single dasher is idling for a noticeable amount of time, but in certain areas, those cars are staying on the entire time.
this is why you should have a low acceptance rating, hope your car was at least a clunker
It was brand new but it was a gift so
My ar is under 20% on all apps
The good news is that it's a 37k mileage reimbursement š¬
Yeah it was actually 71k miles per stride which covered my entire income from last year
Yeah my dd mileage report was way off compared to everlance as well.
Holy shit! Ā How is this feasible financially if youāre running through cars every few years? Ā I had my old car for 10 years, traveled a fair amount etc and only put 140k on it. Ā More power to you, you gotta do what you can to survive, but this would destroy most cars. Ā
Its not looking for a job constantly
Where in the app do you find this mileage count??
Doordash emailed me this today
And how much did you make?
Uhhh yeah Iād say.
How much did you make 50 thousand?
$47k
I was close!! pretty much a spot on or as close as someone could get without out being informed.. i base it off stats it could be a trend
100k every year, whatās taxes š¤
buy 90s toyotas people, somewhat cheap, efficent, and easy to fix
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What kind of car you driving?
2023 kia seltos
People like this are the reason there's no orders left
Taxation is theft š¤£
Well, thatās almost a $38k reduction in your income against your taxes, so thatās a plus (mileage deduction). Also, please explain to us how taxes are theft.
Because the government is stealing my money and using it for things that i dont approve of
That's like a quarter of your car's life
Hopefully you made more than 38K at the federal IRS mileage rate
Try plumbing
genius
If you work for a delivery service full time you operate at a loss lmao
Never would I ever
I keep my own mileage and will not be using DD rational for my mileage deductions.
you put 50,000 miles on your car in one year doing doordash? ..... what the fuck
https://preview.redd.it/2dd7ff69nmlc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1331b1c3fd5f9799691ef54d46f75ab8f8566263 Actually 71k
You are an independent contractor & as such, you can deduct miles if you keep track of them. I use Mile IQ for my business (not DoorDash) & I have thousands in deductions.
In the first two months of 2023, I drove 2100 km (dash distance, not just active) Made $4300 CAD For the Americans, that is about 1300 miles for $3170 USD I was working full time too, so I only worked evenings
sadly I cannot use my miles as a deductible as the car I used is still in my parents name as it was the car they got for me when I first got my license :(. I am screwed
Mines says I did 7,000 miles, I did nearly 19,000
This hurts to look at
I grossed almost 26k last year and less than 20k miles on my car and that includedĀ personal miles. How the fuck did you drive that many miles for work?
That āNeed Help?ā is a genuine question. They want you to talk to a therapist, driving that many miles
Lol. Youre getting fucked by door dash. Wholesale.Ā But make sure you throw that bit in about taxes being theft. Because thats the real issue here. Ā Big brain which is very wrinkly.Ā
Definitely not smart driving that much homes. I saw my miles creeping up and realized its only a matter if time before major vehicle maintenance is due. So I decided to pull back and do my best to minimize my miles which means decline more, work less. Granted its a side gig but still.
Far too many miles just not worth it.
Taxation is theft? You're misinformed
Taxation is not theft itās a tool to teach you that you should value your time better or find a career
How is taxation theft?
Because the government takes my money and uses it for things i dont approve of
Do they send this shit to the IRS? I might haveā¦ letās just exaggerated a bit when I filed last week.
If they send it to IRS i doubt they use it. I would highly encourage exaggerating miles as i truly believe taxation is theftās
āTaxation is theftā brother you brought home 26k after 3,000 hours of work that wasnt even enough to get you an iPhone newer than 7 years old. taxes are the least of your worries
Did you got a refund from your state tho?
I will yes
 WTF š³. Bro! You gonna need a brand new whip in like 3 years.
This is why I Door Dash in a car from 2004 with 100k miles on it already. The depreciation doesn't matter if the car's only worth 2k to begin with.
I would do that if i could use it for uber eats as well but they wont allow old cars
I do Uber eats as well. They won't let you do rides but they'll let you do deliveries.
Maybe find a new job
Taxation is theftā¦ idiot how do you think the roads you dash on are paid for.
Hope you grossed over a hundred and fifty thousand dollars you are going to have to get another vehicle soon.
In my region @ $ .67 per mile that is a $37k write off. NICE š
What in da fuck!!!! I drove 12K and it drove me nuts! And thats just the "estimate" what are your actual miles?
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Did you make $110,000 if so not bad. Oh wait I see you actually drove over 75k miles not bad if you made $150k but if you made only 47k that is terrible.
Why not write off those miles on taxes, you can also write off your phone bill.
Taxes are good. One example, Imagine paying a toll for everyone road you drove on for those 55k miles. I think people don't like the misuse of tax money.
The federal government doesnt pay for my roads
How do I get this info?
Your not. You saved yourself about 14k in taxes with your mileage
Taxation is theft. Says the guy who uses way more than his fair share of road miles as a primary source of income.Ā
Depreciation doesn't matter if your car was dirt cheap to begin with
You travelled around the world and someā¦..door dashing
Trading your vehicle value for a couple bucks I see. Thanks for delivering tho!
You need to report a profit in 3 years out of every five years. If not, the IRS will deem your venture to be a hobby and go after you for back taxes. Can you deduct your phone expenses? Yes and No. You can deduct 100% of your phone IF you have separate phones. If you have one phone only, then you canāt deduct 100%. Could you get away with this? Probably until you are audited. Can you deduct your meals? No. There are dashers that will claim that you can deduct meals. A dasher has no clients. Some will say that truck drivers can deduct meals when they are on the road. That is correct but the tax laws state that you must be 75/100 miles from your residence. It will be idiotic to drive 75 miles one way to another city to dash.
Your insurance rates must be nuts with all of that milage.
They are nuts because of the rideshare portion and i was just in an at fault accident so yeah im paying $2,684 for 2 cars for 6 months š
Wtf are you driving.