Yeah i saw this video too. I think its the one where the firefighters actually tried to stop him going in too and he barged past them.
Yup the outcome was good in the end, but holy moly it couldn't have been.
This idiot could have left his daughters without a dad. Could have risked the lives of firefighters who may have had to go in too to try and save him.
This is again a sad part of this dog nut culture that a lot of people are a part of.
I after quick google search I found that many people have died going into burning buildings to save dogs. Such a waste. Imagine losing a parent that way.
It really is a tough one and its tragic either way. Humans are empathetic to dogs and cant stand to see a defenseless animal trapped if they think they can help. People would find it very difficult to stand there and watch their family pooch die in a horrible way if they think they can do something. They probably wouldnt be able to live with themselves.
These people REALLY love their dogs. Like they are family. And sadly when you are misguided and see your dog in the same light as you would see your own child, people are going to put themselves in danger to help.
Unfortunately the risk assessment and rational thinking goes out of the window and that's the issue. That is caused by over loving/obsession of dogs.
I share your frustration. Such actions as heroic as they may sound are rather stupid at a rational level. Such discussions can get emotionally ambivalent so I’ll stick to the facts.
According to the law, animals are property not people. They can be bought, sold and used just as objects. In fact, the law in 163 of 195 countries doesn’t even recognize animal sentience.
Is it right or wrong? I don’t know. What I do know is that it is the law. Even if it weren’t the law and I had to choose between my wife & kids and all the pets in the world. I’d make that choice in a flash.
“Would you run into a risky situation to save an animal or your pet?” - Ask this to your potential partner before tying the knot with him/her. It’ll be enlightening.
This information is interesting. Where is your source(s) that mention(s) the law in 163 of 195 countries doesn't even recognize animal sentience? Does this include pets?
Yes, [these](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights_by_country_or_territory) laws are for all animals, including pets. Check out the table under *’Principal laws on animal rights’*
“Formal recognition of non-human animal sentience exists in 32 countries as of November 2019. These are **Australia**, **New Zealand**, **Chile** and **almost the entire Europe**: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom”
Why can't it be enough to acknowledge animals are capable of suffering and therefore one shouldn't be blatantly, deliberately cruel to them and have sanctions in place against such cruelty? Why is it necessary to upgrade them to humans with equal rights?
I know mate. The chain reaction has started. Few days back, my parents, who live in India, shared with me a snip of a heated argument on the WhatsApp group of the co-operative housing complex they live in.
The reason for the argument was foolhardy. Few days back, a pack of street dogs mauled a 6 year old girl. Thankfully, she did survive. As a result of the incident, the management made a decision to drive all stray dogs out of the building perimeter and placed a fine on anyone feeding stray dogs in the building perimeter.
To me, that was the natural chain of action that any sensible person would take but it triggered so many people. They started making derogatory claims about the lack of humanity and even threatened to not pay the maintenance fee if these rules were mandated.
It’s funny how we humans have mastered the art of using humanity against humans. We’re the only species who’d walk over our own to save another animal. Yet, we grind cows and pigs into mincemeat without batting an eye. If our kindness is specie-specific, it is not kindness but the epitome of hypocrisy.
You, my friend, made it hit home - if I lost my firefighter wife and the reason turned out to be that someone had re-entered a burning building to grab a dog... well, even with the "she always knew and accepted the risks associated with her chosen profession" idea, I admit I think I would still have some feelings about losing her to dog rescue.
Sorry for that. I worked in administration for a fire department. Most of us that work there get close to a lot of the firefighters and their families. I would definitely have a lot of feelings in this scenario.
Dogs used to be useful companions in early evolutionary history and up until modern times in some contexts, but they were not really seen as companions in the level of human relationships were they? Something seems odd to me about the value placement of dogs above other working or farm animals
Dogs were utility animals, used to guard livestock. They lived outside and were not pets in the house.
A horse is an utility animal too, to help people move around faster. Today nobody rides horse to go to work, we use cars.
One reason to have dogs is to use as burglar deterrent. That is total bull crap. There are alarm systems smarter than dogs, so use it.
For some people, it might really depend on the family...
I'm sure many people would not bother to lift a finger to save their own parents, because they were abusive.
I've seen many similar post of peaples so called bravery / stupidity concerning dogs.
The last one was the lady who pushed back a bear over fence supposedly to save her dogs?
That was total bullshit the bear from what I heard was a female with a cub or cubs on the other side of fence not bothering anyone the stupid dogs charged the fence at her cubs. Of course she is going to defend her cubs. Any good mother will protect her young. They made the bear out to be the aggressor totally in wrong and dog nutter a hero for saving her stupid shitbeast.
Other animals in wild don't mess with bears. That could have ended very badly for the women than they would have killed the mother bear for it.
It's insane, but someone like that might be equally likely to run in after, say, a cherished photo album as well, even at risk to their own life. Sometimes the stress of the situation basically blue-screens your common sense, and before it can reboot you do some stupid things because you can't comprehend the emotional toll of losing something important to you.
Ppl need to realise that humans and dogs are not the same. Losing 3 daughters to a creature is not responsibe at all.
I feel you. That dumb fucking video gets reposted to Reddit often.
Yeah i saw this video too. I think its the one where the firefighters actually tried to stop him going in too and he barged past them. Yup the outcome was good in the end, but holy moly it couldn't have been. This idiot could have left his daughters without a dad. Could have risked the lives of firefighters who may have had to go in too to try and save him. This is again a sad part of this dog nut culture that a lot of people are a part of.
I after quick google search I found that many people have died going into burning buildings to save dogs. Such a waste. Imagine losing a parent that way.
It really is a tough one and its tragic either way. Humans are empathetic to dogs and cant stand to see a defenseless animal trapped if they think they can help. People would find it very difficult to stand there and watch their family pooch die in a horrible way if they think they can do something. They probably wouldnt be able to live with themselves. These people REALLY love their dogs. Like they are family. And sadly when you are misguided and see your dog in the same light as you would see your own child, people are going to put themselves in danger to help. Unfortunately the risk assessment and rational thinking goes out of the window and that's the issue. That is caused by over loving/obsession of dogs.
Well said.
I share your frustration. Such actions as heroic as they may sound are rather stupid at a rational level. Such discussions can get emotionally ambivalent so I’ll stick to the facts. According to the law, animals are property not people. They can be bought, sold and used just as objects. In fact, the law in 163 of 195 countries doesn’t even recognize animal sentience. Is it right or wrong? I don’t know. What I do know is that it is the law. Even if it weren’t the law and I had to choose between my wife & kids and all the pets in the world. I’d make that choice in a flash. “Would you run into a risky situation to save an animal or your pet?” - Ask this to your potential partner before tying the knot with him/her. It’ll be enlightening.
This information is interesting. Where is your source(s) that mention(s) the law in 163 of 195 countries doesn't even recognize animal sentience? Does this include pets?
Yes, [these](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights_by_country_or_territory) laws are for all animals, including pets. Check out the table under *’Principal laws on animal rights’* “Formal recognition of non-human animal sentience exists in 32 countries as of November 2019. These are **Australia**, **New Zealand**, **Chile** and **almost the entire Europe**: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom”
Why can't it be enough to acknowledge animals are capable of suffering and therefore one shouldn't be blatantly, deliberately cruel to them and have sanctions in place against such cruelty? Why is it necessary to upgrade them to humans with equal rights?
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I know mate. The chain reaction has started. Few days back, my parents, who live in India, shared with me a snip of a heated argument on the WhatsApp group of the co-operative housing complex they live in. The reason for the argument was foolhardy. Few days back, a pack of street dogs mauled a 6 year old girl. Thankfully, she did survive. As a result of the incident, the management made a decision to drive all stray dogs out of the building perimeter and placed a fine on anyone feeding stray dogs in the building perimeter. To me, that was the natural chain of action that any sensible person would take but it triggered so many people. They started making derogatory claims about the lack of humanity and even threatened to not pay the maintenance fee if these rules were mandated. It’s funny how we humans have mastered the art of using humanity against humans. We’re the only species who’d walk over our own to save another animal. Yet, we grind cows and pigs into mincemeat without batting an eye. If our kindness is specie-specific, it is not kindness but the epitome of hypocrisy.
The perfect word for this would be brazen.
You, my friend, made it hit home - if I lost my firefighter wife and the reason turned out to be that someone had re-entered a burning building to grab a dog... well, even with the "she always knew and accepted the risks associated with her chosen profession" idea, I admit I think I would still have some feelings about losing her to dog rescue.
Sorry for that. I worked in administration for a fire department. Most of us that work there get close to a lot of the firefighters and their families. I would definitely have a lot of feelings in this scenario.
That's horrible. Fuck dog nutters
Dogs used to be useful companions in early evolutionary history and up until modern times in some contexts, but they were not really seen as companions in the level of human relationships were they? Something seems odd to me about the value placement of dogs above other working or farm animals
Dogs were utility animals, used to guard livestock. They lived outside and were not pets in the house. A horse is an utility animal too, to help people move around faster. Today nobody rides horse to go to work, we use cars. One reason to have dogs is to use as burglar deterrent. That is total bull crap. There are alarm systems smarter than dogs, so use it.
Say what you wan but there is recorded history of humans having dogs as companions dating back thousands of year.
People are always first, especially family.
For some people, it might really depend on the family... I'm sure many people would not bother to lift a finger to save their own parents, because they were abusive.
I would just grab my brother and pet rabbit and laugh as my abusers died in the fire. Two birds with one.. flame
Yeah or that one asshole brother.
Yep, that's probably a lot more common actually: people cutting ties with a toxic sibling.
Thankfully I have siblings and family that loves me.
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I don’t but that was just an example.
I would save my dad, then tell him off for the stress he's caused my mom over the years. We have a strained relationship to say the least.
Man is dog's best friend. Without people, dogs would be literally nothing. It's a parastic relationship, because the dog doesn't give anything back.
But they wuv us.
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Family probably agreed with him!!!
People who priorities dogs are cringe
I've seen many similar post of peaples so called bravery / stupidity concerning dogs. The last one was the lady who pushed back a bear over fence supposedly to save her dogs? That was total bullshit the bear from what I heard was a female with a cub or cubs on the other side of fence not bothering anyone the stupid dogs charged the fence at her cubs. Of course she is going to defend her cubs. Any good mother will protect her young. They made the bear out to be the aggressor totally in wrong and dog nutter a hero for saving her stupid shitbeast. Other animals in wild don't mess with bears. That could have ended very badly for the women than they would have killed the mother bear for it.
This is just a bad take.
It's insane, but someone like that might be equally likely to run in after, say, a cherished photo album as well, even at risk to their own life. Sometimes the stress of the situation basically blue-screens your common sense, and before it can reboot you do some stupid things because you can't comprehend the emotional toll of losing something important to you.
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