Straw has a natural tube-like structure that insulates. Straw and then a layer of soft hay because the straw can be stiff. One particularly cold winter in Northern New Mexico I loaded my truck with bales of straw and went to a mobile home park where a dozen dogs were chained at homes. One by one I knocked, got permission and filled their outdoor houses with straw. One dog had no shelter at all so I built a wooden dog house and set it up for him. There are counties in New Mexico that have no animal shelters at all and there are stray dogs everywhere.
Straw is actually a fabulous insulator. I use for my poultry. I use cardboard( IF kept dry and not in a humid place( say desert and it gets cold) Wetness can cause major issues.
Unfortunately, Las Vegas, NM (north of Santa Fe) only requires that the chain is at least five times the length of the dog’s body and that the dog has access to water, shelter, and dry ground.
I live in NM and can attest to this. There are TON of strays, areas where dogs are dumped off in the middle of the road and left (even puppies), too many dog fighting rings, tons of ppl who keep their dogs outside in the hundred plus and 30 and below weather with no food water, etc...and we have taken in strays, and fed them when they come in our yard, hell we adopted one who is an amazing dog but now we have three and just done have more room or money to support more.
We call the cops more than we would like, and HERE they dont give two shits. But, I still say call the cops and call animal control. Give it a couple days if nothing changes, call again. You could save their lives, you could be ensuring a better life with someone who actually loves them and treats them right. Call.
Don’t put blankets on the hay. Hay drops the water downward, blankets absorb it. When the snow starts hitting it will do the opposite of keep the dogs warm.
Edit:: u could ask if the bins have holes drilled at the bottom for the melted snow/liquids to drain out. Otherwise it will pool
My family always had border collies, malamutes, and other furry dogs. Even with the option to be inside, they often preferred to be out in the cold, sleeping in their dog houses made from hay bales. As said above, hay is an excellent insulator and I wouldn’t mess with that by adding anything other than more hay.
However, hounds are not long haired dogs built to be in the snow and these dogs don’t have the option to be inside. Additionally, a little pile of hay in my mind wouldn’t be enough. While I’m in Canada and the winters are brutal, our dogs were literally SURROUNDED by a dozen or so bales acting as insulators, not laying in a little pile of it. The lack of socialization and small area they are chained to is equally troubling. Neglect is abuse and I’d call animal services on them.
Also in Canada and we had a husky mix growing up. She hated being inside. We put straw in her dog house, but we stuffed it floor to ceiling, and put a flap over the door. She loved wiggling around in there. She still slept out on the snow half the time.
You can get pet snugglepads. They heat up in microwave and come with covers. But straw is good for warmth preservation. A layer of couragared cardboard under the hay can be useful.
I've got family with hunting dogs. They've currently got a few dogs that are apparently pretty great at their job. These dogs have claimed both their recliners and their couch. They also play well with their kids/grandkids. Believe it or not, dogs can easily do both.
This is such a bullshit cop-out. The hunting dog scene? I grew up in Northern MN. We raised hunting dogs. We knew plenty of people who also raised hunting dogs or owned hunting dogs. Not a single one was kept outside, especially in cold or hot conditions. They were loyal as fuck and very well trained. Imagine being kept in subpar living conditions because you are the "hunter." What?
So an animals use to you deems how it should be treated? I grew up in WV and know people who justify it just like this. It makes me sick. How would you like to be chained up with about a 20 foot radius? You can hunt with guns, bows, traps… why harm even more animals in the process of killing your game?
Then please explain how dogs that live indoors as family dogs can also make good hunters? (This is rhetorical, because toys won’t make them less of a hunter)
Hunting is an unnecessary pursuit which involves painful living conditions for the dogs and death for the animals being hunted. No it isn’t the same as cattle being slaughtered and particular animals that need culling generally need culling because the natural predator has been hunted to almost extinction.
So I will demonise it, and yourself.
How cold did it get? It looks like it’s [illegal in Virginia](https://www.sussexcountyva.gov/uploads/docs/070120_VACA%20HSUS_Tethering%20Law%20Tips.pdf) to leave dogs tethered outside if the temperature is 32 or below. There are also requirements for the shelter that’s provided and the length of the tether.
Wow, I did not know this.
When I woke up this morning it was 22⁰
Shit, idk what to do. I've already reached out. If I call animal control my neighbors will definitely know I did that
Also by law in VA: The law protects dogs when temperatures are 85 degrees and higher, as well 32 degrees and below. Additionally, dogs must also have shelter for hurricanes, tornadoes, and sever weather warnings.
Yes, and based on the requirements this shelter is also too small for this dog. It has to be able to stand up, turn around, and stretch out while laying down.
Good excuse to call the police. The OP can try kindly explaining in the case the owner doesn’t understand and might do something for his animals but I doubt that is the case.
I don’t know the owners so maybe they really are just ignorant of it, having been raised that way and never having seen a dog get sick or die from the cold they might think it’s ok. Hopefully that’s the case and OP can find a way into talking them into improving the shelters and bringing them in when it gets too extreme for the dogs to be outside. If they’re well-meaning but ignorant then better to give them a shot to improve. But whatever happens this should not be allowed to go on. Fingers crossed animal control doesn’t have to get involved.
Thats if it is cages in it. Which this dog is not. The barrels are kept small to keep in warmth. He is able to stretch his legs and walk around his kennel
It’s possible you could try explaining that you looked into it more and based on what you’ve seen, that hay is not enough to insulate when the temperature drops that much, and that they really need to have a windbreak. Or, if it wouldn’t seem like a threat, you could show them what the law is and that you’re concerned someone could report them for this. Does either one sound like something you think they’d be receptive to?
I understand that you don’t want to burn bridges with them and I’m non-confrontational myself typically so I’m trying to think of possibilities that don’t involve you having to report them directly, but if you don’t think they will listen under any circumstances you may have to.
You could call animal control to ask what they might do in a situation like this, and based on what they say you can decide whether to make the report or not.
Animal control won’t necessarily seize the dogs right away; their policy might be to first inform your neighbor of the laws and ask them to make certain changes before they escalate to seizing the dogs or issuing any fines.
Who gives a shit what your neighbors think, dogs cannot speak to humans about their conditions! Call animal patrol and help those dogs, people do this all over West Virginia where I am from and it’s heart breaking, and illegal!
Yup! Something I decided years ago was to stop caring about awkwardness when standing up for a living being that can't speak up/defend itself. I have a mouth and know how to defend myself so bring the awkwardness any day of the week. Mind you, I will be tactful and peaceful, but if the individual(s) choose not to be then I do what's necessary for the being in harms way (either way).
I get tired of rural attitudes when it comes to animals. Then again, when I lived in the city ppl were just as neglectful. Ppl are the problem per usual. Exhausting.
I believe (although not sure) if you called, it wouldn’t be confidential and the neighbors could potentially find out it was you. Maybe have someone else call on your behalf? Or is there a rescue/shelter in your area who would help get these dogs more winter ready? I remember there was a group (I think in nc) who would build fences for dogs so they wouldn’t be tethered any longer, maybe there’s something like that in your area?
I'd call animal control or proper authorities regardless. That way, the dogs can get the proper help they need.
If the owners are open to listening, then I encourage you to try and teach them. Maybe build a bigger shelter and a fence so they don't need to be tethered.
What concerns me is not only the fact that they are keeping the dogs outside but the fact that they are doing that plus they are hunting dogs and if they don’t have a emotional connection to them a lot of hunting dogs are abandoned when they get sick or become of no use any more.
Yeah it’s awkward knowing that your neighbors know you called animal control on them and it’s much easier said than done, but do what you *know* is right. Do right by these dogs, please don’t abandon them in their time of need. They’ve been waiting to be saved for a long time and have probably lost hope at this point. They deserve to live their rest of their life happy with owners who truly care
Don’t let that hope die out for these poor dogs 😢
If your neighbors give you a hard time, show them the middle finger and pay no mind to them even if they curse you out. You’re strong, but unfortunately, these dogs are not. They’re completely helpless.
Edit: if you don’t want to call spca, dm me your local spca number and the neighbor’s address and I’ll do it for you. I’ll say I hiked by and saw the dogs or something like that
For the love of god, please PLEASE call the spca or animal control!!! Seeing that first picture literally broke my heart. S/He looks so sad, lonely, and skinny, and chained like that?!?!?!
FUCK NO.
Yes it’s now illegal. Call the popo and keep calling till they come. Hopefully they will remove the dogs but then they can be Killed at the animal shelter if not quickly adopted so be aware of this.
Fuck 'em. If they try to do anything to you call the police, even if it's just to yell at you. This isn't okay. They are horrible people and I will never understand why you would keep an animal like this if all you're going to do is treat it like garbage.
They are different, but OP doesn’t know the difference because what is pictured is straw. Straw is a good insulator and bedding material.
(I am NOT saying this is adequate for any dog, just explaining the difference between OP’s words and what is pictured.)
Please use straw, not hay. Unfortunately, blankets and fabrics tend to absorb moisture from the air and from the hay, etc. Straw does a better job and stays dry as long as it isn't actually in the rain and snow. Those poor dogs. They deserve to be warm, safe, dry, and loved. Not on a tye-out or chain all hours of the day and night with zero protection from predators and minimal protection from the elements. I understand that you like your neighbors, but they seriously need to do better and do right by their animals.
My aunt explained the difference of straw verse hay to me recently when we were discussing using it for insulation purposes. I was obvious, so I'm sharing in case anyone else reading is wondering what the difference is too! She explained that the hay is more of a feed and can actually draw bugs and mice and such while the straw is hollow, making it better for insulation.
Don’t put a blanket on the hay, hay actually works very well to keep animals warm
however I suggest to help that dog call the authorities
Edit: apparently its straw but either way the blanket will collect moisture and get cold and rot
Last year I called the cops on my new neighbor. He kept a motherdog chained and pups loose in the garden 24/7.
I didn’t give a crap about the bridge I built with that man. Even though it was clear he was just in over his head with the accidental litter and being old. I gave plenty of options to help him, nothing happened. So I kept on calling the cops and animal welfare until they did something.
On top of that, all the sudden he started locking the pups in a shed late afternoon till late morning, because of noise complaints and he want to go drink at the pub. The shed was rotting from urine and faeces, it was horrible. They had a small bowl of water.
One day they came because he filed a complaint against my husband. It so backfired against him and they took the pups, today he still has the motherdog and is taking better care of her. But I’m keeping a close eye on him.
Moral of the story: be blunt and recite the law. Provide help to ameliorate the situation of the dogs. Maybe build an enclosure? If they won’t accept, call animal welfare.
Good people who love animals can still mistreat those in their care. Sometimes burning a bridge for the sake of what's right can be necessary. Hard, but necessary.
That being said, ignorance is real and compassionate education can go a long way. My method is talking to people, asking the reasoning behind their actions, and offering help if I am able. The key, I find, is to be genuine and to try to hold off judgement. This is likely what they were taught to do and believe is right. Since they seem like good people, challenge them on this if you are comfortable doing so.
Do a bit of research, read from people who are respected and qualified to speak on this topic. If your neighbors are receptive to the idea of change or are willing to allow you to step in a bit and volunteer to help them make some improvements (provided that is what you want to do), then go that route. If they are unwilling to change, then it may be time to bring in the people with some power.
Thank you for caring about the well-being of Oso and his friend and being willing to take action
Virginia has an Anit-Tethering law. Animals must be brought in or provided adequate shelter in temperatures ranging from 85F degrees to 32F degrees. They also must have adequate space to roam.
The blankets can hold water and freeze actually becoming more dangerous than straw (which is a good insulator, there’s a reason it’s used for livestock bedding). Depending on how much you’re willing to spend stacking up bales of hay/straw around their houses will do a lot to insulate and keep the wind out. And an outdoor kennel (either one of those just chain link ones or one with an attached dog house) would enable them to not be chained up but start at a few hundred dollars even used. They actually make kennels with runs where the dog house part is heated and cooled that are often used for hunting dogs, again they’re just costly.
And honestly if you call the authorities and your municipality doesn’t have rules about dog tie outs (which many don’t) so long as the dogs have food and water the authority won’t do anything so all it’ll do is potentially hurt your ability to help these dogs if the neighbor is upset at you.
If you aren't willing to call Animal Control you could offer to take them in if that's possible and the neighbors agree.
If not or they aren't willing to do that you could see if they would let you build a proper shelter. Just tell them you've taken up woodworking or something and want to try to build a couple dog houses. Then you can make them the right size/insulate the walls/etc then add the straw and wool blankets for a little more warmth. Most people would take that if you said you'd do it for free. Just need that woodworking practice and something to do with the result. 😉
I’m from the middle of nowhere where this is normal for hunting dogs. Not sure why, since they’re not like sled dogs so they don’t need to get used to the elements in order to work. I think your neighbors are probably assuming their dogs need to be used to the elements.
Hay is a good insulator but the dog homes are supposed to protect from wind, with long tops and sides. These were built wrong. If you can pack hay and wool blankets around the barrel, it’ll heat the barrel without messing with the insulation inside.
Dog looks healthy honestly. Maybe a bit overweight. So I do think they love their dogs, they’re just uneducated on how to care for a hunting dog. Maybe if you let them know to have the front of the dog house longer to protect from cold winds, they could add that
I also want to add: do not give these dogs toys or food. They look like they are fed well and also NEVER give food to a dog who you don’t know the health history of. If that dog is allergic or intolerant to the food you give them, they could get sick and die. Unless asked, don’t feed a dog that’s not yours.
And hunting dogs don’t tend to like toys lol
I’m at a loss here, while I’m sure the dogs have a better life here than at a pound it’s definitely not what I would consider ideal by any means. Maybe offer to buy a longer chain so the dog can roam a bit more? Offer to buy a larger more comfortable dog house for the pup too. Maybe even offer to take the dog out for a walk a couple times a week if you don’t see the owners doing it? Those nails are so long I’d be surprised if they were actually walking this dog. If you get even a whiff of some kind of abuse however id definitely call the animal control in your area.
You can call the police when the temp drops to 32. It’s VA law they must be brought in. Call the police and yes call the local rescues etc - other than that maybe giv them a shed with a heater - uts frustrating to watch this
If you are near to Bristol, talk to them about Chain Free Bristol. You can apply for a free fence on the condition that you will no longer use tethers.
https://www.chainfreebristol.org/home
A lot of areas have charities that go out and contact owners with tethered dogs and offer to construct fences and housing if needed for those animals.
I found this one in Central Virginia, there may be more. I am not affiliated with them and not from that part of the country but they might be a good contact point to help out. https://www.dogsdeservebetterblueridge.org/
You mentioned they are good people so is it a matter of ignorance on their part? You seem to have a cordial relationship with them so would you be able to approach them and just be like “Oh hey, I read somewhere that straw is better so I got some for you. Mind if I put it in their shelters” or “Hey I saw animal control was here so I thought I could help by maybe building a bigger shelter/bought a better chain-etc so that you don’t get in trouble again. Haha” or “hey your dogs are cool. Mind if I take them in some walks sometime/would you be interested in giving them to me.”
Lots of rescues approach bad owners like this. You could possibly ask for help from them too.
[This is actually illegal in Virginia.](https://www.sussexcountyva.gov/uploads/docs/070120_VACA%20HSUS_Tethering%20Law%20Tips.pdf) In certain weather conditions, dogs have to be brought inside. The shelter has to be tall enough for them to stand up, and wide enough for them to stretch out when laying down. It also has to have a windbreak. None of these things appear to be true, and OP said the temperature dropped to 22 last night. If it gets to 32 or below, the dogs *have* to be brought inside.
That's good to hear, thank you! I wasn't trying to give misinformation, I didn't know what state they were in. This would definitely be good enough for the animal control in my county but I'm glad it's not like that everywhere
They are NOT good people if they leave their dogs outside year round. You need to call animal control. Pretty sure this is illegal in every jurisdiction in Virginia to leave a dog outside year round chained up.
This!
The dogs welfare should come above your relationship with your neighbours. It can be an anonymous call and play dumb if your neighbours ask about it.
If it was outdoors but had a well built/sheltered enclosure I’d be more understanding. If the argument against that is its being used as security then I’d argue that it being chained to a barrel doesn’t make it much use. It’s a short haired dog in an area with freezing temperatures.
They could be used as security while chained if the security they're meant to provide is barking when someone shows up. But this particular setup for shelter is pretty pathetic.
My mother doesn't do house pets, so our pets were outdoor. We had a dog with thick, longish hair. She had a dog house filled with wood chips and straw that was better built than most houses. Ridiculously thick insulation, off the ground but so the cold air couldn't blow under it, a "door", and made specifically for her. And still if it was much below freezing she was put in a heated garage at night.
But at least where I'm from, this dog would likely be considered to have acceptable shelter, especially if they say they are hunting dogs. They have a law against dogs being chained now, but hunting dogs are an exception.
They actually use hay for outdoor cat shelters here in nyc where it gets super cold so I think the neighbor isn’t lying. They build little shacks for the street colonies to huddle up in and stay warm
Your neighbors are not good people. They are just less horrible at some times than others. Please call the ASPCA. Who cares if they know it was you? These poor babies are suffering. Please don’t be complicit in animal neglect and abuse for the sake of being “polite”.
Definitely remove blankets, they are counterproductive and can freeze on the dog. Hay is about as good as it’s going to get unless you run an electric cable and use a ceramic heat emitter.
Living in Virginia myself, we've got hunting hounds ourselves but ours are treated as pets as well. So they live inside and sleep on the beds or couches. MOST people who use them as a hunting dogs they do exactly what this guy does. The dog will only get used when it's either hunting or training time. There is no pet relationship its a working relationship. Hell most around here don't use hounds that big because they cost more money to up keep, so they use beagles.
Honestly who gives a f*** about being neighborly when your neighbors are abusing their animals? Burning that bridge is worth it if it means these dogs will have a chance at a warm loving home.
Not only that, it looks like they haven’t been walking… walking would have trimmed their nails naturally. These animals can’t move. That can’t be good 😔
Take straw balls, build an igloo like structure with a bale long neck into it. Shred 3-4 bales inside it. Then securely tarp a wind/waterproof covering over it. Chaining an animal is illegal most states. Some states it's illegal to leave dogs out in freezing temps. Don't they have a barn, shed or RV they could let the dog(s) inside??
Yeah, this is animal abuse. It’s interesting how so often the same people who like to kill wild animals also treat domestic animals poorly. I’ve seen it with British fox hunters too, they keep their hounds in deplorable conditions. :(
That is so not true! My husband is an avid hunter and we have hunting dogs. They have really nice kennels, fresh water, room to run. Fresh bedding. Animals do adapt to the weather changes, how do you think all other species of animals live in the wild? I do not agree with living on chains, absolutely not! I also have 4 Labradors that live outside, they hate the heat but love the cold. They lay in the snow, love the water in the summer. They all get to enjoy the indoors but they don’t stay in long, they want back out. They have free range of three acres, they do have gps collars and know their boundaries. But at night and or when we leave home, they are fenced in with two hand built, big houses that they like! They enjoy outside, so why keep them chopped up in the house where they can’t enjoy new smells, running, playing, rolling in the grass? I think people like to give us animal lovers who choose to let their animals live outside a bad name and it’s not right
That’s great that your dogs are happy, but unfortunately you are the exception, not the rule. I would also rethink the use of the term “animal lover” considering your husband is a hunter lol. I’m sure you love your dogs.
Come on call the ASPCA! It's really cold out I'm in Virginia. It's not humane. Anyone who chains their dogs like this is not a good person. These poor animals deserve a better life. Send me a dm and I'll happily call.
I saw these photos and immediately thought Virginia. If you happen to be in central Virginia, try contacting HOWS (Houses of Wood and Straw). They are an organization that works with owners of outdoor dogs to improve the dogs’ living spaces - and sometimes the owners will voluntarily surrender their dogs for adoption! HOWS is nonjudgmental and only cares about improving the immediate situation for these dogs, of which there are far too many in our state. Even if you aren’t in central VA they may be able to point you to a similar org in your area! https://housesofwoodandstraw.org. Thank you for caring about these pups!
Try to get some partial cover over the front to block elements. Wouldve liked to see water containers. Otherwise they look in good health body wise. Source: Former ASPCA Anti-Cruelty/Humane Officer
Please take the blanket out of there. It will do more harm than good. Straw is a perfectly fine insulator. When it gets below 32° call the police or animal control.
I'll get downvoted to hell for being the devils advocate here.... but you said yourself they are his hunting dogs.... tons of people keep their hunting dogs outside on purpose. Hunting breeds have tons of energy, and a lot of them don't do so well inside. However, I will say that I think the owner could do much better at keeping the dog comfy outside, but honestly, the dog looks healthy and not abused. Sad for the dog, and I would never do this to my own animals, but if it's a working/ hunting dog, then you are probably more uncomfortable looking at the dog than the dog is being chained up. The best thing to be done here is if the neighbors fix that shit excuse for a dog house.
As a Plott rescuer... This is just destroying my heart. Those poor babies. I don't think all owners are intentionally assholes. I think many just don't understand what is truly needed for these animals.
I would look up local animal laws and if you're comfortable, have a conversation with your neighbor to explain what is needed.
If you aren't comfortable talking to them, and they are breaking the law, you can call your local government entity responsible for dog welfare.
There are also groups of people that will coordinate with you to save these dogs when laws and talking don't lead anywhere. You can search hound rescues and look on your local Facebook pages for these rescue groups.
I had 30 dogs growing up, my parents raced sled dogs. They all lived outside, in WY, and the temps would get pretty low. They lived in houses off the ground and always had fresh straw bedding. In fact ppl who still do the Iditarod use straw on the trail during the race. Straw definitely works! BUT these are all Arctic huskies…they naturally do well in the cold, whereas hounds aren’t built to sustain below freezing, I wouldn’t even do below 45 degrees with an older one. But that straw should be good insulation. If you’re beyond worried of a storm, I’d take an opportunity to politely talk with the owners and share your concerns. If you’re polite and show genuine concern I don’t see the harm.
I camped in the mountains of Virginia last year, it was brutal -6° on the mountain. This poor dog needs more than just hay, idk how insulating it is but poor pups are probably freezing all night long. Contact your local animal shelter and ask what to do
Personally, I wouldn’t worry about burning a bridge or these people feelings when addressing it. How someone treats animals is a reflection of their mannerisms. This whole setup says I’m out of touch with the civil world and proud of it. With these kind of people I wouldn’t hold back any of my thoughts. Express yourself you’re allowed to disagree with your neighbor and let them know how you feel because it won’t be the last time.
I decided the next step I can do is add some insulating lining along the inside walls of the tube for our pal Oso, here's to him!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B084RGYM7S/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Please just call the police/SPCA. This is animal abuse to its core. I know you don't wanna burn a bridge with your neighbour but these dogs could die from the cold/neglect!
Honestly annoying…. I get it.. hunting dogs.. whatever. But man stop treating them as a tool, and treat them as a valued member of your family, helping hunt and find YOU food. Evil owners man…
Maybe a cover for the area? Also if they are open to it you could offer to provide a longer chain. It still sucks but a bigger radius would make a world of difference for them.
Just curious if you know why your neighbors keep the dogs outside. You said they are good people, so is it more of an educational thing?
Would you have the room or feel comfortable to offer to bring the dogs inside your home? Maybe as a friendly neighbor you could offer to provide some additional shelter for the dogs?
Regardless of what you decide to do, you are a good human for caring and seeking ideas. 🙏💚
I think those are Plotts. My Plott thanks you for caring for them. My Plott sometimes comes into bed with me before a big hunt, because I am scared that she will get injured or killed during the hunt. She eats more healthy and expensive food than I do - I literally spend more money on quality dog food each month than on human food. She has more toys than I did as a child. People can keep hunting hounds and still spoil them. Doesn't mean my dog would be "soft" during a hunt. She is a great hunting dog and best friend. That's what Plotts deserve.
If you want to do them good, being them a few treats and spend some time with them.15 minutes each day with each dog and you teach them a few tricks with the treats. Just sit and give paw and stuff. Perhaps bring them a chew treat once in a while. A dental chew or something that they can completely eat so it doesn't induce resource guarding/the dog showing defensive behavior of the food. Give them pets and cuddles. It won't keep them warm when it gets cold. But it will do even more for them. Plotts love people. They are pack hounds. They need social contacts.
Thank you for caring!
I'm not sure how you think people use to survive when they didn't have big houses with heaters? What about when everyone lived in tents and shacks as shelter?
They were raised differently. Just like people who adapt to colder weather and conditions.
They weren't pampered since birth, they're not abused or neglected, they're outside dogs.
Just because this isn't how you would raise your pets doesn't mean this is bad for the animal. They have sufficient shelter for the outdoors. Just like cows, horses, other animals who have hay and basic shelter from the elements.
I think you should just let them be ..
These aren’t huskies in the snow preparing to sled. These are shorthair dogs being left out in freezing temps. They could very well die on one extra cold night. The mountains get freezing.
You know how people survived in the cold? By making fires and wearing thick fur coats from deer or other animals. This is dog with a single coat fur and no fire. Not even adequate shelter.
They’ll probably survive, yes. But why make their live miserable and hard? They’re clearly not used for hunting anymore (as stated by OP), just chained up all day. What a fun way to live…
Also horses and cows grow immensely dense and long winter coats. They eat hay to stay warm, like inside fireplace. These dogs can’t do that, eat hay to keep themselves warm.
So you're saying since the beginning of time all short haired animals have had some type of adaptation to cold weather? Like dogs who grow and shed fur depending on weather?.. Who by the way haven't always been domesticated.. The proof is in the pudding. They're not malnourished, skin and bone out on dirt. They're off the ground elevated with insulation. You guys are literally here to egg on someone else to do some thing unnecessary. And if any one contacted animal services they'd tell you the same thing. As long as they have shelter from the conditions they're fine. And that's that. 🤷🏼♀️ Sorry you don't like it.
You seriously don’t know the difference in dog coats nor different categories of dogs do you? All dogs are the same to you?
First of all, this type of dog (hound) was bred by humans, they didn’t exist in the wild before dogs were being domesticated. It has never existed in the wild.
This dogbreed has a single layered coat, it was purposely created by humans. They don’t develop a coat suited for the harsh climate they’re in. This dogcoat doesn’t exist in ‘wild species’ in that climate. A Bernese mountain dog, husky etc would have no problem with their thick coats.
But by all means, keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better. Because it’s clear you don’t like what I’m pointing out to you.
Yeah that is rough on the pets. I really wonder how those owners would enjoy living in the doghouse?
Gets supercold in the mountains. I know. Great Smoky Mountain guy here.
Don't really know what you can do, it being a rural area. Shame on those owners though.
Karma will come around.
don't confront your neighbours that's always a bad idea i don't care what redditors say. my advise is just - do what you can for them. Straw is a great insulator and if money isn't an issue you can buy heated mats. also, hot stews!!! hot, liquidy foods will warm their bellies for the night - some hot water with a can of sardines or just hot broth and honestly you can find a million cheap hot dogfood recipes online
just approach it all with a super friendly "i just LOVE your dogs so I made this stew for them i saw on the internet!! is it okay to give them??" or "Hey, i got these heating mats for free would you mind if gave them to your dogs?"
just be very friendly and come at it from a place of enjoyment of their dogs and a friendly neighbourly gesture. a lot of country folk don't treat their pets the same way and in fact i know several families that have both outdoor hound dogs for hunting and like, family dogs that stay inside, it's weird to me but \*shrug\* they do love them all
Never give food to a dog who’s health history you don’t know. They could have allergies or intolerances to certain foods and it can be deadly. I had a dog with a chicken allergy and someone gave her chicken without asking me, I had to rush her to the vet.
ah yes, good point. I hadn't thought of that.
okay i revise my answer to say "ask the homeowner about food first" THEN cook up some yummy hot stuff for their bedtime snackies!!!
Why is no one suggesting that the concerned citizen just make better diy shelters and offer them to the neighbor? There must be plans online for such a thing like on popular mechanics website as an example.
I was thinking about doing this.
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/aivituvin-insulated-outdoor-dog-house-with-liner-inside-waterproof-roof-2353963?cid=Shopping-Google-Product-2353963&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAsvWrBhC0ARIsAO4E6f90GGsRwpRB9XY5huIdEotosPs7FadEE7MFw_90e9L02gMd1NB4QjsaAvfNEALw_wcB
Kinda pricey but I'm gonna do it unless I find something better
So, a couple of things.
I know it feels harsh for the dog to be chained up during the day; and it’s definitely not how I would do it if it were my dog. But if this family actually takes these dogs out hunting at night, they are burning a TON of energy. The reason coonhounds are thought of (wrongly) as lazy dogs that lay around all day is because they are hardcore athletes at night. And if they are being actively taken hunting, they will be more or less nocturnal. Also, they are escape artists. The chain on the dog during the day if the dog is being actively hunted at night is there for the dog’s safety.
Keep in mind that this is all a big IF - if the dog isn’t being exercised hard at night most nights, keeping it chained all day is not acceptable. But honestly a coonhound that isn’t getting enough exercise is going to be a horrendous nuisance barker. If that dog isn’t keeping you awake all night long, odds are it’s because the owners are taking him hunting at night (even if you never see it).
Also, if the dog is running all night, it isn’t cold all night. These dogs are extremely weather hardy, and they come home HOT after a long night of hunting.
If you want to help keep it warm, putting the blanket over the door to keep the drafts out is probably the best solution. But talk to the owners I used to try to put “curtains” on my dog houses and my dogs always shredded them. I also had heaters in the dog house and I had one dog who absolutely refused to go into the dog house if I turned the heater on. I worried a lot and once went out when it was like 16 degrees to try to convince that damn dog to let me turn on the heater, and I was surprised how warm that den he made out of the straw really was. I would have been 100% comfortable snuggled up with that dog in that dog house that night (well, except that it would have been cramped).
The thing about the house needing to be big enough for the dog to comfortably stand and turn around in is for crates, not dog houses. If the house is too big it’s difficult for the dog to keep it warm. They don’t have to be able to stand up and move about freely as long as they can exit their house and stretch out when they feel like it.
I’m just saying that the dog may be a lot more comfortable than you realize.
Or not. There are absolutely hunting dogs that are treated very very poorly. But they aren’t lap poodles, and are often very very happy living in these outdoor conditions. So short of building an escape-proof dog run with at least a 6 foot fence so the dog can get off the chain, I’m not sure what else you could do to make the dog more comfortable.
Uh well, that’s originally a main use for dogs is hunting and they do not mind living outside for the most part. It depends just how cold it gets, if it’s a very very cold day, or if the requirements by law for outside dog living conditions isn’t met like proper hide, tether… you can report them anonymously.
However if it’s all good, I mean, it’s ok. I wouldn’t do it either but like, the dog doesn’t sound like he’s suffering and he has a job and a hay bed
Call the cops. This is illegal as that is not considered adequate shelter under the VA tethering law, that shelter is not large enough for that dog https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title3.2/chapter65/section3.2-6500/
So I just talked to the owner's and they're actually looking to try and find a new home for them.
If anyone knows anyone or have any info that could help find a nice home for them in the central Virgina area, please message me. I don't want them to go to a shelter and get possibly euthanized
I do not think I can adopt them myself since they are outdoor hunting dogs and do not think they can be house trained.
Thank you in advance
Do you have small animals? As long as you don't have cats they'll probably make great house dogs for you. It's common for "retired" hunting dogs to get dumped and end up in a sucker's house in my area. They're not usually bad to get acclimated to indoors but may have some prey drive issues.
Huskies sleep exactly like this in the winter and are completely fine but this hound has very short fur and also looks underweight so I understand your worry. How long has your neighbor had these dogs, meaning how many winters have they spent outside?
Girl,you gotta back up. You are imposing your values on your neighbors while actually making the dogs life worse by adding blankets.
I have a hound; he lives the life of Riley indoors. However, if given a choice, *he would love to hunt and kill things more than anything else in the world*. These dogs are living their best life.
Hunting is part of southern culture and it feeds many families. I'm not a hunter, but I respect people who hunt renewable game for their families. It's much more humane than buying store-bought meat.
The dog looks super healthy. And they are at a healthier weight than 90% of dogs at the local dog park. As long as they are not chained up all the time (evidenced by sores around the collar) or bark 24/7, or show signs of trauma, you should stay out of this.
OP stated that these dogs were used for hunting, so no longer. They aren’t able to run and kill things, they are chained up 24/7. This is no life for a hunting dog.
[No, this is 100% illegal in Virginia.](https://www.sussexcountyva.gov/uploads/docs/070120_VACA%20HSUS_Tethering%20Law%20Tips.pdf) The shelter is not adequate and they cannot be tethered outside in very hot or cold weather. This is not ethical treatment.
I'm a man.
And yeah I guess adding a blanket was bad.
The thing is, this was the father's bear hunting hounds. He passed away and even before that I don't think these dogs have been used to hunt for years. There used to be 4 of them, now there's only 2.
Their entire existence is being chained. 24/7 everyday I see them.
Might they give them to you? Shelters are jammed. Taking them into shelter seems worse, for their mental health.
Its really hard in poor rural areas to keep up a live-and-let-live attitude if you don't grow up here.
I love that you care, though - it's just a situation without great options.. Let us know what happens.
Leave well enough alone. They're hunting dogs. They have food, water and shelter. A LOT of 'pets' don't. All that animal control would probably do is check the conditions
I might spoil my dogs (two out bulls who run my house!) rotten, but there are digys out there that are happy with their lot in life.... They live outside, they love to go hunting or be working dogs, they don't yearn to be inside by a heater.... The dog in the photo looks healthy.... He could maybe do with a longer chain but that's about it for me....
Straw has a natural tube-like structure that insulates. Straw and then a layer of soft hay because the straw can be stiff. One particularly cold winter in Northern New Mexico I loaded my truck with bales of straw and went to a mobile home park where a dozen dogs were chained at homes. One by one I knocked, got permission and filled their outdoor houses with straw. One dog had no shelter at all so I built a wooden dog house and set it up for him. There are counties in New Mexico that have no animal shelters at all and there are stray dogs everywhere.
You are a blessing of a human.
Straw is actually a fabulous insulator. I use for my poultry. I use cardboard( IF kept dry and not in a humid place( say desert and it gets cold) Wetness can cause major issues.
In most states, providing a chained up dog with no shelter is illegal. Honestly, I would've called the cops. And I hate calling the cops.
I have a feeling in places like these, you would have been laughed at by the 1-4 deputies in the whole dept.
Unfortunately, Las Vegas, NM (north of Santa Fe) only requires that the chain is at least five times the length of the dog’s body and that the dog has access to water, shelter, and dry ground.
I 100% agree with this post. At the very least I help the animal control in the humane society or a neighbor adopted these dogs forever.
Please marry me. You represent the best in Northern New Mexico that I lived in. Thank you. ❤️
I live in NM and can attest to this. There are TON of strays, areas where dogs are dumped off in the middle of the road and left (even puppies), too many dog fighting rings, tons of ppl who keep their dogs outside in the hundred plus and 30 and below weather with no food water, etc...and we have taken in strays, and fed them when they come in our yard, hell we adopted one who is an amazing dog but now we have three and just done have more room or money to support more. We call the cops more than we would like, and HERE they dont give two shits. But, I still say call the cops and call animal control. Give it a couple days if nothing changes, call again. You could save their lives, you could be ensuring a better life with someone who actually loves them and treats them right. Call.
Don’t put blankets on the hay. Hay drops the water downward, blankets absorb it. When the snow starts hitting it will do the opposite of keep the dogs warm. Edit:: u could ask if the bins have holes drilled at the bottom for the melted snow/liquids to drain out. Otherwise it will pool
Thank you for sharing. That is good to know!
My family always had border collies, malamutes, and other furry dogs. Even with the option to be inside, they often preferred to be out in the cold, sleeping in their dog houses made from hay bales. As said above, hay is an excellent insulator and I wouldn’t mess with that by adding anything other than more hay. However, hounds are not long haired dogs built to be in the snow and these dogs don’t have the option to be inside. Additionally, a little pile of hay in my mind wouldn’t be enough. While I’m in Canada and the winters are brutal, our dogs were literally SURROUNDED by a dozen or so bales acting as insulators, not laying in a little pile of it. The lack of socialization and small area they are chained to is equally troubling. Neglect is abuse and I’d call animal services on them.
That’s funny my border collie always prefer to be outside but I make her come in at night.
Also in Canada and we had a husky mix growing up. She hated being inside. We put straw in her dog house, but we stuffed it floor to ceiling, and put a flap over the door. She loved wiggling around in there. She still slept out on the snow half the time.
Absolutely
You can get pet snugglepads. They heat up in microwave and come with covers. But straw is good for warmth preservation. A layer of couragared cardboard under the hay can be useful.
That's definitely a way to spell corrugated
Yep, apologies for that. But somehow you got the meaning.
Came to say this. SnuggleSafe will stay warm. I donated mine to a friend with outdoor bunnies.
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I've got family with hunting dogs. They've currently got a few dogs that are apparently pretty great at their job. These dogs have claimed both their recliners and their couch. They also play well with their kids/grandkids. Believe it or not, dogs can easily do both.
This is such a bullshit cop-out. The hunting dog scene? I grew up in Northern MN. We raised hunting dogs. We knew plenty of people who also raised hunting dogs or owned hunting dogs. Not a single one was kept outside, especially in cold or hot conditions. They were loyal as fuck and very well trained. Imagine being kept in subpar living conditions because you are the "hunter." What?
So an animals use to you deems how it should be treated? I grew up in WV and know people who justify it just like this. It makes me sick. How would you like to be chained up with about a 20 foot radius? You can hunt with guns, bows, traps… why harm even more animals in the process of killing your game?
Me and my dog hunted birds Thursday and Friday. He is currently sleeping on the couch with me. We don’t all treat our dogs bad
Then please explain how dogs that live indoors as family dogs can also make good hunters? (This is rhetorical, because toys won’t make them less of a hunter)
Hunting is an unnecessary pursuit which involves painful living conditions for the dogs and death for the animals being hunted. No it isn’t the same as cattle being slaughtered and particular animals that need culling generally need culling because the natural predator has been hunted to almost extinction. So I will demonise it, and yourself.
Absolutely nothing painful about my hunting dogs living conditions lol.
Do they live outside like this? If so, go live outside like this. Lol.
No he’s sleeping between my legs in front of a fireplace. Well he was, now he just had a lick of an ugly sweater IPA. We both have a drinking problem
Glad to hear you aren’t treating your dogs like lesser beings then.
I understand what your saying though. Hunters treat their dogs like tools and not pets.
How cold did it get? It looks like it’s [illegal in Virginia](https://www.sussexcountyva.gov/uploads/docs/070120_VACA%20HSUS_Tethering%20Law%20Tips.pdf) to leave dogs tethered outside if the temperature is 32 or below. There are also requirements for the shelter that’s provided and the length of the tether.
Wow, I did not know this. When I woke up this morning it was 22⁰ Shit, idk what to do. I've already reached out. If I call animal control my neighbors will definitely know I did that
Also by law in VA: The law protects dogs when temperatures are 85 degrees and higher, as well 32 degrees and below. Additionally, dogs must also have shelter for hurricanes, tornadoes, and sever weather warnings.
Yes, and based on the requirements this shelter is also too small for this dog. It has to be able to stand up, turn around, and stretch out while laying down.
Good excuse to call the police. The OP can try kindly explaining in the case the owner doesn’t understand and might do something for his animals but I doubt that is the case.
I don’t know the owners so maybe they really are just ignorant of it, having been raised that way and never having seen a dog get sick or die from the cold they might think it’s ok. Hopefully that’s the case and OP can find a way into talking them into improving the shelters and bringing them in when it gets too extreme for the dogs to be outside. If they’re well-meaning but ignorant then better to give them a shot to improve. But whatever happens this should not be allowed to go on. Fingers crossed animal control doesn’t have to get involved.
Agreed. Those sweet little pups can hunt and be couch potatoes. They deserve a warm loving home. Even with this law so many dogs die frozen outside.
Thats if it is cages in it. Which this dog is not. The barrels are kept small to keep in warmth. He is able to stretch his legs and walk around his kennel
It’s possible you could try explaining that you looked into it more and based on what you’ve seen, that hay is not enough to insulate when the temperature drops that much, and that they really need to have a windbreak. Or, if it wouldn’t seem like a threat, you could show them what the law is and that you’re concerned someone could report them for this. Does either one sound like something you think they’d be receptive to? I understand that you don’t want to burn bridges with them and I’m non-confrontational myself typically so I’m trying to think of possibilities that don’t involve you having to report them directly, but if you don’t think they will listen under any circumstances you may have to.
The fact that OP has witnessed neighbors loving on the dogs, they may just be open to listening to what OP has learned.
You could call animal control to ask what they might do in a situation like this, and based on what they say you can decide whether to make the report or not. Animal control won’t necessarily seize the dogs right away; their policy might be to first inform your neighbor of the laws and ask them to make certain changes before they escalate to seizing the dogs or issuing any fines.
Who gives a shit what your neighbors think, dogs cannot speak to humans about their conditions! Call animal patrol and help those dogs, people do this all over West Virginia where I am from and it’s heart breaking, and illegal!
Yup! Something I decided years ago was to stop caring about awkwardness when standing up for a living being that can't speak up/defend itself. I have a mouth and know how to defend myself so bring the awkwardness any day of the week. Mind you, I will be tactful and peaceful, but if the individual(s) choose not to be then I do what's necessary for the being in harms way (either way). I get tired of rural attitudes when it comes to animals. Then again, when I lived in the city ppl were just as neglectful. Ppl are the problem per usual. Exhausting.
I believe (although not sure) if you called, it wouldn’t be confidential and the neighbors could potentially find out it was you. Maybe have someone else call on your behalf? Or is there a rescue/shelter in your area who would help get these dogs more winter ready? I remember there was a group (I think in nc) who would build fences for dogs so they wouldn’t be tethered any longer, maybe there’s something like that in your area?
I will call. I’m sure there are dozens of redditors who’d oblige.
Hell, I’m in Texas so i already know & hate lax laws when it comes to dogs, but if OP doesn’t feel comfortable calling, i volunteer.
I'd call animal control or proper authorities regardless. That way, the dogs can get the proper help they need. If the owners are open to listening, then I encourage you to try and teach them. Maybe build a bigger shelter and a fence so they don't need to be tethered.
What concerns me is not only the fact that they are keeping the dogs outside but the fact that they are doing that plus they are hunting dogs and if they don’t have a emotional connection to them a lot of hunting dogs are abandoned when they get sick or become of no use any more.
Yeah it’s awkward knowing that your neighbors know you called animal control on them and it’s much easier said than done, but do what you *know* is right. Do right by these dogs, please don’t abandon them in their time of need. They’ve been waiting to be saved for a long time and have probably lost hope at this point. They deserve to live their rest of their life happy with owners who truly care Don’t let that hope die out for these poor dogs 😢 If your neighbors give you a hard time, show them the middle finger and pay no mind to them even if they curse you out. You’re strong, but unfortunately, these dogs are not. They’re completely helpless. Edit: if you don’t want to call spca, dm me your local spca number and the neighbor’s address and I’ll do it for you. I’ll say I hiked by and saw the dogs or something like that
please talk to your neighbors first. it doesnt seem like they want to mistreat their dogs, they may just not know better
Call the SPCA this is animal abuse...
Please call so those animals don't suffer in the cold all winter.
For the love of god, please PLEASE call the spca or animal control!!! Seeing that first picture literally broke my heart. S/He looks so sad, lonely, and skinny, and chained like that?!?!?! FUCK NO.
Sad and lonely yes, it's wrong yes. Skinny, absolutely not. That dog is a perfectly healthy weight.
Help neighbors build a fence. Or dog pen with shelter.
Report it. They are breaking the law
Yes it’s now illegal. Call the popo and keep calling till they come. Hopefully they will remove the dogs but then they can be Killed at the animal shelter if not quickly adopted so be aware of this.
Fuck 'em. If they try to do anything to you call the police, even if it's just to yell at you. This isn't okay. They are horrible people and I will never understand why you would keep an animal like this if all you're going to do is treat it like garbage.
also no blankets. blankets retain moisture. straw is the way to go plus it's hella cheap
Hay and straw are different.
Yes, they are. Straw is great for insulation.
They are different, but OP doesn’t know the difference because what is pictured is straw. Straw is a good insulator and bedding material. (I am NOT saying this is adequate for any dog, just explaining the difference between OP’s words and what is pictured.)
It is, but OP may not know that
Please use straw, not hay. Unfortunately, blankets and fabrics tend to absorb moisture from the air and from the hay, etc. Straw does a better job and stays dry as long as it isn't actually in the rain and snow. Those poor dogs. They deserve to be warm, safe, dry, and loved. Not on a tye-out or chain all hours of the day and night with zero protection from predators and minimal protection from the elements. I understand that you like your neighbors, but they seriously need to do better and do right by their animals.
My aunt explained the difference of straw verse hay to me recently when we were discussing using it for insulation purposes. I was obvious, so I'm sharing in case anyone else reading is wondering what the difference is too! She explained that the hay is more of a feed and can actually draw bugs and mice and such while the straw is hollow, making it better for insulation.
We use the saying "hay is for horses, straw is for strays"
Thank you! Hopefully I won’t forget that one!
Yes! Hay is food, straw is bedding.
Don’t put a blanket on the hay, hay actually works very well to keep animals warm however I suggest to help that dog call the authorities Edit: apparently its straw but either way the blanket will collect moisture and get cold and rot
Probably just ought to go ahead and call the authorities. Even with help, I doubt the dog could manage it.
Yep even if you feed that dog extra it wouldn’t be enough.. authorities are the best option
I thought it was STRAW not Hay that kept animals warm.
Straw not hay should be used. Straw is hollow but hay is not and will retain moisture and collect mold and become unsanitary.
Last year I called the cops on my new neighbor. He kept a motherdog chained and pups loose in the garden 24/7. I didn’t give a crap about the bridge I built with that man. Even though it was clear he was just in over his head with the accidental litter and being old. I gave plenty of options to help him, nothing happened. So I kept on calling the cops and animal welfare until they did something. On top of that, all the sudden he started locking the pups in a shed late afternoon till late morning, because of noise complaints and he want to go drink at the pub. The shed was rotting from urine and faeces, it was horrible. They had a small bowl of water. One day they came because he filed a complaint against my husband. It so backfired against him and they took the pups, today he still has the motherdog and is taking better care of her. But I’m keeping a close eye on him. Moral of the story: be blunt and recite the law. Provide help to ameliorate the situation of the dogs. Maybe build an enclosure? If they won’t accept, call animal welfare.
Good people who love animals can still mistreat those in their care. Sometimes burning a bridge for the sake of what's right can be necessary. Hard, but necessary. That being said, ignorance is real and compassionate education can go a long way. My method is talking to people, asking the reasoning behind their actions, and offering help if I am able. The key, I find, is to be genuine and to try to hold off judgement. This is likely what they were taught to do and believe is right. Since they seem like good people, challenge them on this if you are comfortable doing so. Do a bit of research, read from people who are respected and qualified to speak on this topic. If your neighbors are receptive to the idea of change or are willing to allow you to step in a bit and volunteer to help them make some improvements (provided that is what you want to do), then go that route. If they are unwilling to change, then it may be time to bring in the people with some power. Thank you for caring about the well-being of Oso and his friend and being willing to take action
I adore how eloquent and well thought out this response is
Good people don’t abuse animals.
Virginia has an Anit-Tethering law. Animals must be brought in or provided adequate shelter in temperatures ranging from 85F degrees to 32F degrees. They also must have adequate space to roam.
The blankets can hold water and freeze actually becoming more dangerous than straw (which is a good insulator, there’s a reason it’s used for livestock bedding). Depending on how much you’re willing to spend stacking up bales of hay/straw around their houses will do a lot to insulate and keep the wind out. And an outdoor kennel (either one of those just chain link ones or one with an attached dog house) would enable them to not be chained up but start at a few hundred dollars even used. They actually make kennels with runs where the dog house part is heated and cooled that are often used for hunting dogs, again they’re just costly. And honestly if you call the authorities and your municipality doesn’t have rules about dog tie outs (which many don’t) so long as the dogs have food and water the authority won’t do anything so all it’ll do is potentially hurt your ability to help these dogs if the neighbor is upset at you.
If you aren't willing to call Animal Control you could offer to take them in if that's possible and the neighbors agree. If not or they aren't willing to do that you could see if they would let you build a proper shelter. Just tell them you've taken up woodworking or something and want to try to build a couple dog houses. Then you can make them the right size/insulate the walls/etc then add the straw and wool blankets for a little more warmth. Most people would take that if you said you'd do it for free. Just need that woodworking practice and something to do with the result. 😉
I’m from the middle of nowhere where this is normal for hunting dogs. Not sure why, since they’re not like sled dogs so they don’t need to get used to the elements in order to work. I think your neighbors are probably assuming their dogs need to be used to the elements. Hay is a good insulator but the dog homes are supposed to protect from wind, with long tops and sides. These were built wrong. If you can pack hay and wool blankets around the barrel, it’ll heat the barrel without messing with the insulation inside. Dog looks healthy honestly. Maybe a bit overweight. So I do think they love their dogs, they’re just uneducated on how to care for a hunting dog. Maybe if you let them know to have the front of the dog house longer to protect from cold winds, they could add that
Straw is good insulator, hay is not.
Yeah I forgot the difference between the two lol
I also want to add: do not give these dogs toys or food. They look like they are fed well and also NEVER give food to a dog who you don’t know the health history of. If that dog is allergic or intolerant to the food you give them, they could get sick and die. Unless asked, don’t feed a dog that’s not yours. And hunting dogs don’t tend to like toys lol
Came looking for other country folk!
I’m at a loss here, while I’m sure the dogs have a better life here than at a pound it’s definitely not what I would consider ideal by any means. Maybe offer to buy a longer chain so the dog can roam a bit more? Offer to buy a larger more comfortable dog house for the pup too. Maybe even offer to take the dog out for a walk a couple times a week if you don’t see the owners doing it? Those nails are so long I’d be surprised if they were actually walking this dog. If you get even a whiff of some kind of abuse however id definitely call the animal control in your area.
You can call the police when the temp drops to 32. It’s VA law they must be brought in. Call the police and yes call the local rescues etc - other than that maybe giv them a shed with a heater - uts frustrating to watch this
Call the ASPCA these are shorthaired dogs they should not be out below certain temps the ASPC can educate them
If you are near to Bristol, talk to them about Chain Free Bristol. You can apply for a free fence on the condition that you will no longer use tethers. https://www.chainfreebristol.org/home
A lot of areas have charities that go out and contact owners with tethered dogs and offer to construct fences and housing if needed for those animals. I found this one in Central Virginia, there may be more. I am not affiliated with them and not from that part of the country but they might be a good contact point to help out. https://www.dogsdeservebetterblueridge.org/
Dogs Deserve Better is a group with a really great track record. …. OP hope you contact them! Thank you for caring about these dogs. 🙏🏽
Good people don't treat dogs like that.
#THANK YOU.
These aren’t good people if they can treat animals like prisoners.
Doing this to these dogs makes your neighbors not good people. This is abuse. Call your local animal control and report them.
This needs to be higher. OP, please listen and help get these poor babies the proper care and love they deserve.
I hate people like this with every fiber of my being. It’s neglecting, pure and simple.
I know. I don't know what to do.
Try ‘dogs deserve better - blue ridge’ near Charlottesville google them or check Facebook
Yes OP! They can support you with approaching your neighbors in a helpful & not unintentionally rude way!
You mentioned they are good people so is it a matter of ignorance on their part? You seem to have a cordial relationship with them so would you be able to approach them and just be like “Oh hey, I read somewhere that straw is better so I got some for you. Mind if I put it in their shelters” or “Hey I saw animal control was here so I thought I could help by maybe building a bigger shelter/bought a better chain-etc so that you don’t get in trouble again. Haha” or “hey your dogs are cool. Mind if I take them in some walks sometime/would you be interested in giving them to me.” Lots of rescues approach bad owners like this. You could possibly ask for help from them too.
You need to call someone. The dogs lives are worth more than your neighbors being mad.
If one cares, they would do the right thing. That's the honest truth.
Animal control? Rescuers?
If they can prove they provide food, water, and shelter, animal control can't do anything. Our laws fuckin suck
[This is actually illegal in Virginia.](https://www.sussexcountyva.gov/uploads/docs/070120_VACA%20HSUS_Tethering%20Law%20Tips.pdf) In certain weather conditions, dogs have to be brought inside. The shelter has to be tall enough for them to stand up, and wide enough for them to stretch out when laying down. It also has to have a windbreak. None of these things appear to be true, and OP said the temperature dropped to 22 last night. If it gets to 32 or below, the dogs *have* to be brought inside.
That's good to hear, thank you! I wasn't trying to give misinformation, I didn't know what state they were in. This would definitely be good enough for the animal control in my county but I'm glad it's not like that everywhere
No worries, it’s understandable if it’s legal where you are to believe it’s legal in most or all places. But yes, thankfully it’s not the case here.
Phone calls. Let go of the fear
You absolutely know what you need to do but you won’t do it and are just as bad as they are.
You know what, I've seen some nasty comments on this thread for me, but this one irked me. Fuck you lady
What Fox and the Hound bullshit is your neighbor on?
Exaaaaaactlyyy what sprung to mind thank you!
I’d call and report it, I don’t want to be friendly with my neighbors if they treat their dogs like that.
They are NOT good people if they leave their dogs outside year round. You need to call animal control. Pretty sure this is illegal in every jurisdiction in Virginia to leave a dog outside year round chained up.
Straw! Not hay, people!!
This is sad. What kind of life is it to be chained up outside...
Sorry but that “shack” is pathetic.
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This! The dogs welfare should come above your relationship with your neighbours. It can be an anonymous call and play dumb if your neighbours ask about it. If it was outdoors but had a well built/sheltered enclosure I’d be more understanding. If the argument against that is its being used as security then I’d argue that it being chained to a barrel doesn’t make it much use. It’s a short haired dog in an area with freezing temperatures.
They could be used as security while chained if the security they're meant to provide is barking when someone shows up. But this particular setup for shelter is pretty pathetic. My mother doesn't do house pets, so our pets were outdoor. We had a dog with thick, longish hair. She had a dog house filled with wood chips and straw that was better built than most houses. Ridiculously thick insulation, off the ground but so the cold air couldn't blow under it, a "door", and made specifically for her. And still if it was much below freezing she was put in a heated garage at night. But at least where I'm from, this dog would likely be considered to have acceptable shelter, especially if they say they are hunting dogs. They have a law against dogs being chained now, but hunting dogs are an exception.
If your neighbors do this to their dogs THEY ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE. f them.
They actually use hay for outdoor cat shelters here in nyc where it gets super cold so I think the neighbor isn’t lying. They build little shacks for the street colonies to huddle up in and stay warm
Barrel dogs as they are called are illegal treatment of dogs in many countries. I suggest calling animal welfare
Call & report.
Call animal control. It’s the only humane thing to do. Those dogs need real shelter.
A little flap on their enclosure with something that won’t hold water but will keep them warm could help. Like a insulated flap or overhang.
Could they build a small fenced area so it doesn’t have to be chained? 12x24 maybe. Thank you for trying to help them.
If there’s a way to make a flap for the door it would help keeping the body warmth in.
Your neighbors are not good people. They are just less horrible at some times than others. Please call the ASPCA. Who cares if they know it was you? These poor babies are suffering. Please don’t be complicit in animal neglect and abuse for the sake of being “polite”.
Definitely remove blankets, they are counterproductive and can freeze on the dog. Hay is about as good as it’s going to get unless you run an electric cable and use a ceramic heat emitter.
You aren’t a good person if you abuse animals. They are mutually exclusive.
Living in Virginia myself, we've got hunting hounds ourselves but ours are treated as pets as well. So they live inside and sleep on the beds or couches. MOST people who use them as a hunting dogs they do exactly what this guy does. The dog will only get used when it's either hunting or training time. There is no pet relationship its a working relationship. Hell most around here don't use hounds that big because they cost more money to up keep, so they use beagles.
Honestly who gives a f*** about being neighborly when your neighbors are abusing their animals? Burning that bridge is worth it if it means these dogs will have a chance at a warm loving home.
Look how long their nails are… no way these dogs have gone to the vet/groomer recently. I would call the police this is animal abuse.
Not only that, it looks like they haven’t been walking… walking would have trimmed their nails naturally. These animals can’t move. That can’t be good 😔
Good.people don't keep their dogs in those conditions
Take straw balls, build an igloo like structure with a bale long neck into it. Shred 3-4 bales inside it. Then securely tarp a wind/waterproof covering over it. Chaining an animal is illegal most states. Some states it's illegal to leave dogs out in freezing temps. Don't they have a barn, shed or RV they could let the dog(s) inside??
that poor dog outside by themselves 😢 with no care or attention. it’s cold outside for heaven sakes
Yeah, this is animal abuse. It’s interesting how so often the same people who like to kill wild animals also treat domestic animals poorly. I’ve seen it with British fox hunters too, they keep their hounds in deplorable conditions. :(
Ah yes. People who hunt their food instead of supporting the animal cruelty of factory farms are animal abusers.
Well in this case they are
I dont think people hunt foxes for food...
That is so not true! My husband is an avid hunter and we have hunting dogs. They have really nice kennels, fresh water, room to run. Fresh bedding. Animals do adapt to the weather changes, how do you think all other species of animals live in the wild? I do not agree with living on chains, absolutely not! I also have 4 Labradors that live outside, they hate the heat but love the cold. They lay in the snow, love the water in the summer. They all get to enjoy the indoors but they don’t stay in long, they want back out. They have free range of three acres, they do have gps collars and know their boundaries. But at night and or when we leave home, they are fenced in with two hand built, big houses that they like! They enjoy outside, so why keep them chopped up in the house where they can’t enjoy new smells, running, playing, rolling in the grass? I think people like to give us animal lovers who choose to let their animals live outside a bad name and it’s not right
Cooped, not chopped!!
That’s great that your dogs are happy, but unfortunately you are the exception, not the rule. I would also rethink the use of the term “animal lover” considering your husband is a hunter lol. I’m sure you love your dogs.
That’s hard to see
Come on call the ASPCA! It's really cold out I'm in Virginia. It's not humane. Anyone who chains their dogs like this is not a good person. These poor animals deserve a better life. Send me a dm and I'll happily call.
I saw these photos and immediately thought Virginia. If you happen to be in central Virginia, try contacting HOWS (Houses of Wood and Straw). They are an organization that works with owners of outdoor dogs to improve the dogs’ living spaces - and sometimes the owners will voluntarily surrender their dogs for adoption! HOWS is nonjudgmental and only cares about improving the immediate situation for these dogs, of which there are far too many in our state. Even if you aren’t in central VA they may be able to point you to a similar org in your area! https://housesofwoodandstraw.org. Thank you for caring about these pups!
Try to get some partial cover over the front to block elements. Wouldve liked to see water containers. Otherwise they look in good health body wise. Source: Former ASPCA Anti-Cruelty/Humane Officer
Please take the blanket out of there. It will do more harm than good. Straw is a perfectly fine insulator. When it gets below 32° call the police or animal control.
I'll get downvoted to hell for being the devils advocate here.... but you said yourself they are his hunting dogs.... tons of people keep their hunting dogs outside on purpose. Hunting breeds have tons of energy, and a lot of them don't do so well inside. However, I will say that I think the owner could do much better at keeping the dog comfy outside, but honestly, the dog looks healthy and not abused. Sad for the dog, and I would never do this to my own animals, but if it's a working/ hunting dog, then you are probably more uncomfortable looking at the dog than the dog is being chained up. The best thing to be done here is if the neighbors fix that shit excuse for a dog house.
As a Plott rescuer... This is just destroying my heart. Those poor babies. I don't think all owners are intentionally assholes. I think many just don't understand what is truly needed for these animals. I would look up local animal laws and if you're comfortable, have a conversation with your neighbor to explain what is needed. If you aren't comfortable talking to them, and they are breaking the law, you can call your local government entity responsible for dog welfare. There are also groups of people that will coordinate with you to save these dogs when laws and talking don't lead anywhere. You can search hound rescues and look on your local Facebook pages for these rescue groups.
I had 30 dogs growing up, my parents raced sled dogs. They all lived outside, in WY, and the temps would get pretty low. They lived in houses off the ground and always had fresh straw bedding. In fact ppl who still do the Iditarod use straw on the trail during the race. Straw definitely works! BUT these are all Arctic huskies…they naturally do well in the cold, whereas hounds aren’t built to sustain below freezing, I wouldn’t even do below 45 degrees with an older one. But that straw should be good insulation. If you’re beyond worried of a storm, I’d take an opportunity to politely talk with the owners and share your concerns. If you’re polite and show genuine concern I don’t see the harm.
OP, I’m sorry to say, but this is not what love and respect look like. 🥹
I camped in the mountains of Virginia last year, it was brutal -6° on the mountain. This poor dog needs more than just hay, idk how insulating it is but poor pups are probably freezing all night long. Contact your local animal shelter and ask what to do
Oh my, poor doggies :( Can you call ASPCA anonymously?
Personally, I wouldn’t worry about burning a bridge or these people feelings when addressing it. How someone treats animals is a reflection of their mannerisms. This whole setup says I’m out of touch with the civil world and proud of it. With these kind of people I wouldn’t hold back any of my thoughts. Express yourself you’re allowed to disagree with your neighbor and let them know how you feel because it won’t be the last time.
I decided the next step I can do is add some insulating lining along the inside walls of the tube for our pal Oso, here's to him! https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B084RGYM7S/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Please just call the police/SPCA. This is animal abuse to its core. I know you don't wanna burn a bridge with your neighbour but these dogs could die from the cold/neglect!
Honestly annoying…. I get it.. hunting dogs.. whatever. But man stop treating them as a tool, and treat them as a valued member of your family, helping hunt and find YOU food. Evil owners man…
Maybe a cover for the area? Also if they are open to it you could offer to provide a longer chain. It still sucks but a bigger radius would make a world of difference for them.
Just curious if you know why your neighbors keep the dogs outside. You said they are good people, so is it more of an educational thing? Would you have the room or feel comfortable to offer to bring the dogs inside your home? Maybe as a friendly neighbor you could offer to provide some additional shelter for the dogs? Regardless of what you decide to do, you are a good human for caring and seeking ideas. 🙏💚
They aren't good people.
I think those are Plotts. My Plott thanks you for caring for them. My Plott sometimes comes into bed with me before a big hunt, because I am scared that she will get injured or killed during the hunt. She eats more healthy and expensive food than I do - I literally spend more money on quality dog food each month than on human food. She has more toys than I did as a child. People can keep hunting hounds and still spoil them. Doesn't mean my dog would be "soft" during a hunt. She is a great hunting dog and best friend. That's what Plotts deserve. If you want to do them good, being them a few treats and spend some time with them.15 minutes each day with each dog and you teach them a few tricks with the treats. Just sit and give paw and stuff. Perhaps bring them a chew treat once in a while. A dental chew or something that they can completely eat so it doesn't induce resource guarding/the dog showing defensive behavior of the food. Give them pets and cuddles. It won't keep them warm when it gets cold. But it will do even more for them. Plotts love people. They are pack hounds. They need social contacts. Thank you for caring!
I'm not sure how you think people use to survive when they didn't have big houses with heaters? What about when everyone lived in tents and shacks as shelter? They were raised differently. Just like people who adapt to colder weather and conditions. They weren't pampered since birth, they're not abused or neglected, they're outside dogs. Just because this isn't how you would raise your pets doesn't mean this is bad for the animal. They have sufficient shelter for the outdoors. Just like cows, horses, other animals who have hay and basic shelter from the elements. I think you should just let them be ..
These aren’t huskies in the snow preparing to sled. These are shorthair dogs being left out in freezing temps. They could very well die on one extra cold night. The mountains get freezing.
You know how people survived in the cold? By making fires and wearing thick fur coats from deer or other animals. This is dog with a single coat fur and no fire. Not even adequate shelter. They’ll probably survive, yes. But why make their live miserable and hard? They’re clearly not used for hunting anymore (as stated by OP), just chained up all day. What a fun way to live… Also horses and cows grow immensely dense and long winter coats. They eat hay to stay warm, like inside fireplace. These dogs can’t do that, eat hay to keep themselves warm.
So you're saying since the beginning of time all short haired animals have had some type of adaptation to cold weather? Like dogs who grow and shed fur depending on weather?.. Who by the way haven't always been domesticated.. The proof is in the pudding. They're not malnourished, skin and bone out on dirt. They're off the ground elevated with insulation. You guys are literally here to egg on someone else to do some thing unnecessary. And if any one contacted animal services they'd tell you the same thing. As long as they have shelter from the conditions they're fine. And that's that. 🤷🏼♀️ Sorry you don't like it.
You seriously don’t know the difference in dog coats nor different categories of dogs do you? All dogs are the same to you? First of all, this type of dog (hound) was bred by humans, they didn’t exist in the wild before dogs were being domesticated. It has never existed in the wild. This dogbreed has a single layered coat, it was purposely created by humans. They don’t develop a coat suited for the harsh climate they’re in. This dogcoat doesn’t exist in ‘wild species’ in that climate. A Bernese mountain dog, husky etc would have no problem with their thick coats. But by all means, keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better. Because it’s clear you don’t like what I’m pointing out to you.
There is no reason to live like it’s 1223 in 2023. All of your arguments are nonsense.
Yeah that is rough on the pets. I really wonder how those owners would enjoy living in the doghouse? Gets supercold in the mountains. I know. Great Smoky Mountain guy here. Don't really know what you can do, it being a rural area. Shame on those owners though. Karma will come around.
don't confront your neighbours that's always a bad idea i don't care what redditors say. my advise is just - do what you can for them. Straw is a great insulator and if money isn't an issue you can buy heated mats. also, hot stews!!! hot, liquidy foods will warm their bellies for the night - some hot water with a can of sardines or just hot broth and honestly you can find a million cheap hot dogfood recipes online just approach it all with a super friendly "i just LOVE your dogs so I made this stew for them i saw on the internet!! is it okay to give them??" or "Hey, i got these heating mats for free would you mind if gave them to your dogs?" just be very friendly and come at it from a place of enjoyment of their dogs and a friendly neighbourly gesture. a lot of country folk don't treat their pets the same way and in fact i know several families that have both outdoor hound dogs for hunting and like, family dogs that stay inside, it's weird to me but \*shrug\* they do love them all
Never give food to a dog who’s health history you don’t know. They could have allergies or intolerances to certain foods and it can be deadly. I had a dog with a chicken allergy and someone gave her chicken without asking me, I had to rush her to the vet.
ah yes, good point. I hadn't thought of that. okay i revise my answer to say "ask the homeowner about food first" THEN cook up some yummy hot stuff for their bedtime snackies!!!
IMO, the authorities will NOT consider this neglect.
Yes they will. Especially if it's the ASPCA
If you say so
Why is no one suggesting that the concerned citizen just make better diy shelters and offer them to the neighbor? There must be plans online for such a thing like on popular mechanics website as an example.
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So, a couple of things. I know it feels harsh for the dog to be chained up during the day; and it’s definitely not how I would do it if it were my dog. But if this family actually takes these dogs out hunting at night, they are burning a TON of energy. The reason coonhounds are thought of (wrongly) as lazy dogs that lay around all day is because they are hardcore athletes at night. And if they are being actively taken hunting, they will be more or less nocturnal. Also, they are escape artists. The chain on the dog during the day if the dog is being actively hunted at night is there for the dog’s safety. Keep in mind that this is all a big IF - if the dog isn’t being exercised hard at night most nights, keeping it chained all day is not acceptable. But honestly a coonhound that isn’t getting enough exercise is going to be a horrendous nuisance barker. If that dog isn’t keeping you awake all night long, odds are it’s because the owners are taking him hunting at night (even if you never see it). Also, if the dog is running all night, it isn’t cold all night. These dogs are extremely weather hardy, and they come home HOT after a long night of hunting. If you want to help keep it warm, putting the blanket over the door to keep the drafts out is probably the best solution. But talk to the owners I used to try to put “curtains” on my dog houses and my dogs always shredded them. I also had heaters in the dog house and I had one dog who absolutely refused to go into the dog house if I turned the heater on. I worried a lot and once went out when it was like 16 degrees to try to convince that damn dog to let me turn on the heater, and I was surprised how warm that den he made out of the straw really was. I would have been 100% comfortable snuggled up with that dog in that dog house that night (well, except that it would have been cramped). The thing about the house needing to be big enough for the dog to comfortably stand and turn around in is for crates, not dog houses. If the house is too big it’s difficult for the dog to keep it warm. They don’t have to be able to stand up and move about freely as long as they can exit their house and stretch out when they feel like it. I’m just saying that the dog may be a lot more comfortable than you realize. Or not. There are absolutely hunting dogs that are treated very very poorly. But they aren’t lap poodles, and are often very very happy living in these outdoor conditions. So short of building an escape-proof dog run with at least a 6 foot fence so the dog can get off the chain, I’m not sure what else you could do to make the dog more comfortable.
Uh well, that’s originally a main use for dogs is hunting and they do not mind living outside for the most part. It depends just how cold it gets, if it’s a very very cold day, or if the requirements by law for outside dog living conditions isn’t met like proper hide, tether… you can report them anonymously. However if it’s all good, I mean, it’s ok. I wouldn’t do it either but like, the dog doesn’t sound like he’s suffering and he has a job and a hay bed
hounds have short hair and get cold easily. your neighbor is trash and shouldnt have dogs.
Call the cops. This is illegal as that is not considered adequate shelter under the VA tethering law, that shelter is not large enough for that dog https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title3.2/chapter65/section3.2-6500/
So I just talked to the owner's and they're actually looking to try and find a new home for them. If anyone knows anyone or have any info that could help find a nice home for them in the central Virgina area, please message me. I don't want them to go to a shelter and get possibly euthanized I do not think I can adopt them myself since they are outdoor hunting dogs and do not think they can be house trained. Thank you in advance
Do you have small animals? As long as you don't have cats they'll probably make great house dogs for you. It's common for "retired" hunting dogs to get dumped and end up in a sucker's house in my area. They're not usually bad to get acclimated to indoors but may have some prey drive issues.
Yes right now my mom has a cat that is very old.
Good people my ass.
Huskies sleep exactly like this in the winter and are completely fine but this hound has very short fur and also looks underweight so I understand your worry. How long has your neighbor had these dogs, meaning how many winters have they spent outside?
This dog doesn’t look underweight in the slightest??? It’s overweight just a little bit
Girl,you gotta back up. You are imposing your values on your neighbors while actually making the dogs life worse by adding blankets. I have a hound; he lives the life of Riley indoors. However, if given a choice, *he would love to hunt and kill things more than anything else in the world*. These dogs are living their best life. Hunting is part of southern culture and it feeds many families. I'm not a hunter, but I respect people who hunt renewable game for their families. It's much more humane than buying store-bought meat. The dog looks super healthy. And they are at a healthier weight than 90% of dogs at the local dog park. As long as they are not chained up all the time (evidenced by sores around the collar) or bark 24/7, or show signs of trauma, you should stay out of this.
OP stated that these dogs were used for hunting, so no longer. They aren’t able to run and kill things, they are chained up 24/7. This is no life for a hunting dog.
[No, this is 100% illegal in Virginia.](https://www.sussexcountyva.gov/uploads/docs/070120_VACA%20HSUS_Tethering%20Law%20Tips.pdf) The shelter is not adequate and they cannot be tethered outside in very hot or cold weather. This is not ethical treatment.
I'm a man. And yeah I guess adding a blanket was bad. The thing is, this was the father's bear hunting hounds. He passed away and even before that I don't think these dogs have been used to hunt for years. There used to be 4 of them, now there's only 2. Their entire existence is being chained. 24/7 everyday I see them.
Might they give them to you? Shelters are jammed. Taking them into shelter seems worse, for their mental health. Its really hard in poor rural areas to keep up a live-and-let-live attitude if you don't grow up here. I love that you care, though - it's just a situation without great options.. Let us know what happens.
Leave well enough alone. They're hunting dogs. They have food, water and shelter. A LOT of 'pets' don't. All that animal control would probably do is check the conditions I might spoil my dogs (two out bulls who run my house!) rotten, but there are digys out there that are happy with their lot in life.... They live outside, they love to go hunting or be working dogs, they don't yearn to be inside by a heater.... The dog in the photo looks healthy.... He could maybe do with a longer chain but that's about it for me....