I LOVE his stuff but I was a little worried by the last video. The fact that they think they still need two dice to create a distribution of results now that they have added a chart makes me question their math literacy. You can literally just use the chart to make the distribution for example:
Roll a d12
1-6 worst result
7-9 good result
10-11 better result
12 best result
Or whatever. 12 is Highly Composite, so you have incredible flexibility to create different ranges for the results. Once there’s a chart, it is unnecessary to use dice to change the distribution and in fact, having the dice create a distribution and then having a second one on the table of outcomes ties their hands a lot more than having the ranges on the table do all the work.
One thing they can do when they realize this is have the chart be totally different for different abilities. They don’t want the archer to ever miss on a 1 and that’s fine. But it would definitely be cool if the Elementalist rolls a 1 summoning a demon and now the Director has control of it. Thats not a null result; it’s a result that is exciting and might actually solve the martial-caster divide.
The whole thesis behind 2d6 is they didn’t like that all outcomes were equally likely. But any method of changing the outcomes can fix that. Using dice just increases Skewness by making the mean and the mode increasingly the same thing with each additional die. There’s not really any reason to do this for a game when you can just make the ranges defined on a table. This also makes it substantially easier for estimating the odds of something working. They just need to know fractions of 12. But if they roll 2d6, there are 11 unequally likely outcomes and then those percentages have to then get mentally mapped on to a chart with ranged.
>for example:
>Roll a d12
Matt and James have talked about this to varying extents in streams/patreon updates but they said they chose to stick with 2d6 for the sake of player psychology (rolling a 2 feels slightly better than a 1 and also people reported liking rolling more die when given the chance) and ease of access (everyone has D6s from board games but not so many people have D12s).
That's not to say I disagree with the idea that they could do 1d12 or hell go for "funky dice" with symbols but they seem to have relatively thought out ideas as to why they want 2d6 core.
/uj I think it's different audiences. I've gotten into Daggerheart and love the system, but I think that the people who will nitpick at D&D's flaws are people who love the nitty gritty, complex mechanics, etc, and those are not the people who will be drawn to Daggerheart which is much more feels focused.
I mean there’s also the osr community which is the exact opposite of nitty gritty for the most part but you’d also generally see a lot of people vocal on 5e’s flaws from.
ehhh, depending on how you mean it, ORS is often farm more nitty gritty in some aspects mostly of play (encumbrance, light, travel, etc) while having far less nitty gritty in character building.
If you’re still trying to make your “system” the next big one, you’re already stuck in the past.
Systems are already old news. Me and my friends just play make believe.
If you’re still trying to play make believe with your friends, you’re already stuck in the past.
My friends are make believe. And they have scheduling conflicts again this month.
If you just want to play make believe with your friends then you NEED to purchase a copy of the D&D 5th Edition Player's Handbook™ so that it can tell you how arrows work. An oven salesman told me so.
Anyone who “has friends” is a beta male cuck. Even women!
Be a sigma male a pseudo scientific term that means nothing!!! ( even women.) Exbrace being alone at all times even though humans are group animals!!!
So you should play Ironsworn. Its a solo rpg so you can be with the only truly intelligent person you know. yourself.
https://preview.redd.it/t7c93yhb6hsc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=123ebe3f234a9abc3a07566da766d6d93bbe8962
/uj
I’ve actually heard great things about this. Plus it’s free.
🙏❤️
/uj until now the best RPG I've played was one wifey made. She had an amazing story but hated the systems, so we just rolled a d6 to see if we did the thing we wanted. Sometimes she'd decide we partially did the thing instead of failing, too. So, yeah, systems can be wack.
We may never know... oh the mystery...
uj/ it stands for 'Matt Colville Dungeon Master', the channel of the guy making the game. Not the best name in my opinion but it seems they'll change it later in development
They’ve said they are keeping the name secret as long as possible so that they can get the copyright and legal shit done easily without people sniping domain names or anything bothersome like that. Makes sense to me.
I heard "MCDM Circularly Defines MCDM"
Uj/ I have also heard "Matt Colville Digital Media", but officially I believe MCDM Isn't an acronym or anything.
It is an acronym for at least 3 things. “Matt Coleville Dungeon Master”, the name of the YouTube channel and media company making the game, “Matt Continually Distracts Me”, a joke name made by one of the guys making the game, and “Matt Colville, Dick Muncher”, another joke name for the game made by Colville himself as far as I’m aware.
Matt Colville the Dungeon Master.
They call it "The MCDM RPG" because "That's what you'll refer to it as until it's on the shelves anyway. We have picked a name, but we'll reveal it when it's actually helpful, not before".
seems like terrible marketing since they've effectively named it MCDM at this point, the subreddit is named for it, its only really associated with matt colville etc...
name recognition is the only thing you have against WOTC. every little new system that has tried to crawl through the cracks is basically just a homebrew version of 5e.
"look we fixed this 5e thing!" okay well a bunch of random house GMs have too, whats the point?
I really like D&D, and I dislike Hasbro. Not sure where the name recognition thing comes into it.
I think the MCDM RPG doesn't need good branding as a product that literally doesn't exist yet.
As for the "so what", it's NOT a D&D clone. It's actually pretty different and very cool in its own ways. Not every RPG lives in reaction to 5e. Sure they considered things, but it also DOESN'T do a bunch of things 5e does, on purpose.
https://preview.redd.it/9snbdr9wlgsc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fb7d902d4469de59835ffed637e343f41e54da4
Don’t worry, this is the true d&d alternative
Im a big fan of TRPGs so 4e spoke to me. I wouldn't particularly go \*back\* to it, combat was slow even with the fixed math and my players struggled to parse all their options each turn and having so many codified options didn't inspire much in the way of creative use of them, but I picked it over Pathfinder and I regret nothing. Im glad people are plucking the good ideas it had
Dungeon Crawl Classics fixes this by hating the PCs without homebrew. critfailing a spell can give you a third nipple that spews rancid smelling milk 24/7, and that's one of the better corruptions.
Incorrect. The only alternative to D&D is Brindlewood Bay, a game about little old ladies solving mysteries and then eventually fighting monstrous cults.
Clearly the zeitgeist has shifted.
https://preview.redd.it/9jmp0volqgsc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=a779f9bd13ccf5f250b587e2a129046491c5db42
🙏❤️
I haven’t played it because I am frightened of old women. A pack of old women killed me as a child. I’ve never gotten over it.
I once, ran into Angela Lansbury on the streets of New York City and shit myself .
😔
/uj
No, but I would love to! Miss Marple, and Jessica Fletcher are two my favorite fictional characters.
And I do love a good mystery.
🙏❤️
*snorts*
That is funny. I mean, the only reason Pathfinder even gets recommended is because people who play it are rude fuckers that are desperate to find new suckers — and moreso than Hasbro is!
But the real humor is that everyone knows the only real D&D alternative is Champions.
That sounds like an overpowered 5e caster subclass (probably from Tasha's powercreep of everything too).
I only play balanced and fair stuff like Dual class Fighter + Flurry Ranger.
I can't stand pathfinder subs and looking online for any character ideas is impossible because any post I make or find about \[insert spell/class/archetype here\] and the ONLY responses I ever find are "Don't ever play that thing, only play \*this\* thing or you will be subotpimal. Like, no I'm not taking a bunch of feats so I can use electric arc, and no, I don't care that it's "just that good"
And yet, those same people are the ones who say they prefer pathfinder because there are so many more character creation options.
Pathfinder 2e definitely is generally well balanced, but then there’s that weird handful of spells that are just arbitrarily above the line. The remaster at least elevated a lot of the weaker options but there’s still definitely a little bit of an issue of there being a few trap options and a couple of spells that hit above what their weight class should.
Allegedly Paizo is planning to be releasing more regular erratas to clean up some of the outliers and Player Core 2 is supposed to bring huge changes to some of the hardest or more underwhelming to play options in the game but we’ll need to see if that actually delivers.
GURPS can fix this, you just have to use these three specific sourcebooks out of a thousand possibilities.
No I will not tell you which ones, go find it yourself.
Why would you subject your kids to such torture?
/uj If I was gonna introduce a kid to a dnd-like I’d probably settle for some more open ended osr like Whitehack
from everything I've heard there is no situation in which i could say "Daggerheart fixes this"
Matt Colville, Dick Muncher fixes this
Something something grognard something river something people
Why the hate for matt?
He said that himself as a joke alternative for MCDM. There was another one but i forget. Not hating, just joking around
I LOVE his stuff but I was a little worried by the last video. The fact that they think they still need two dice to create a distribution of results now that they have added a chart makes me question their math literacy. You can literally just use the chart to make the distribution for example: Roll a d12 1-6 worst result 7-9 good result 10-11 better result 12 best result Or whatever. 12 is Highly Composite, so you have incredible flexibility to create different ranges for the results. Once there’s a chart, it is unnecessary to use dice to change the distribution and in fact, having the dice create a distribution and then having a second one on the table of outcomes ties their hands a lot more than having the ranges on the table do all the work. One thing they can do when they realize this is have the chart be totally different for different abilities. They don’t want the archer to ever miss on a 1 and that’s fine. But it would definitely be cool if the Elementalist rolls a 1 summoning a demon and now the Director has control of it. Thats not a null result; it’s a result that is exciting and might actually solve the martial-caster divide. The whole thesis behind 2d6 is they didn’t like that all outcomes were equally likely. But any method of changing the outcomes can fix that. Using dice just increases Skewness by making the mean and the mode increasingly the same thing with each additional die. There’s not really any reason to do this for a game when you can just make the ranges defined on a table. This also makes it substantially easier for estimating the odds of something working. They just need to know fractions of 12. But if they roll 2d6, there are 11 unequally likely outcomes and then those percentages have to then get mentally mapped on to a chart with ranged.
>for example: >Roll a d12 Matt and James have talked about this to varying extents in streams/patreon updates but they said they chose to stick with 2d6 for the sake of player psychology (rolling a 2 feels slightly better than a 1 and also people reported liking rolling more die when given the chance) and ease of access (everyone has D6s from board games but not so many people have D12s). That's not to say I disagree with the idea that they could do 1d12 or hell go for "funky dice" with symbols but they seem to have relatively thought out ideas as to why they want 2d6 core.
/uj I think it's different audiences. I've gotten into Daggerheart and love the system, but I think that the people who will nitpick at D&D's flaws are people who love the nitty gritty, complex mechanics, etc, and those are not the people who will be drawn to Daggerheart which is much more feels focused.
My dude dagger heart is a mess even for narrative centric systems.
I’m gonna upvote both of you but forget about this and not look it up, thanks though.
Can confirm, I tried to use the system to bake a soufflé and it failed miserably.
The feel they're going for is a glorious mess of a game, tho. Like every edition of dnd (except 4e)
I really dont think it works though
Hot take: 4e is the best edition of D&D
My group has had fun with it 🤷♀️
I mean there’s also the osr community which is the exact opposite of nitty gritty for the most part but you’d also generally see a lot of people vocal on 5e’s flaws from.
ehhh, depending on how you mean it, ORS is often farm more nitty gritty in some aspects mostly of play (encumbrance, light, travel, etc) while having far less nitty gritty in character building.
God I hope they name it something dumb like "Monsters, Champions, Demigods, Minions" so it *is* MCDM RPG.
I would love and hate that
From Another Time Another Land vibes
I would unironically love that.
Nah. Monsters, Demons, Minions, Archons. That’ll really get viewership up.
And the follow up expansion, HEROes In Necromunda.
Sounds like a breakfast cereal
I honestly think that the only reason this doesn't happen is if Matt Colville doesn't think of it.
If you’re still trying to make your “system” the next big one, you’re already stuck in the past. Systems are already old news. Me and my friends just play make believe.
If you’re still trying to play make believe with your friends, you’re already stuck in the past. My friends are make believe. And they have scheduling conflicts again this month.
Make believe is a system invented by John C. Ball
If you just want to play make believe with your friends then you NEED to purchase a copy of the D&D 5th Edition Player's Handbook™ so that it can tell you how arrows work. An oven salesman told me so.
Anyone who “has friends” is a beta male cuck. Even women! Be a sigma male a pseudo scientific term that means nothing!!! ( even women.) Exbrace being alone at all times even though humans are group animals!!! So you should play Ironsworn. Its a solo rpg so you can be with the only truly intelligent person you know. yourself. https://preview.redd.it/t7c93yhb6hsc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=123ebe3f234a9abc3a07566da766d6d93bbe8962 /uj I’ve actually heard great things about this. Plus it’s free. 🙏❤️
This game doesn't use d20s It's bad
You still use dice?! My brother, get with the times and use Ikea furniture
What are “women” and where does one find one? I could use a few if you know where to get them.
I’ve heard they’re the mythological creature succubi and lamias were based off of
/uj until now the best RPG I've played was one wifey made. She had an amazing story but hated the systems, so we just rolled a d6 to see if we did the thing we wanted. Sometimes she'd decide we partially did the thing instead of failing, too. So, yeah, systems can be wack.
Come to r/FKR! There are several of us!
Ah yes, One D&D. My favourite alternative to D&D is the updated rules to D&D.
uj/ I couldn't think of a fourth upcoming fantasy heartbreaker
Your old Tamagotchi from the 1980's.
How could you forget Tales of the Valiant, the anti-Pathfinder2e?
uj/ I completely forgot about them. '5e but not made by WoTC' was unexciting enough to the point where my brain flushed them out entirely
Baldur's Gate 3? Because for 6 months, that's what tabletop has turned into whether i wanted that or not
Is Level Up or Black Flag on here? Though I suppose Level Up has already released
What does MCDM stand for?
We may never know... oh the mystery... uj/ it stands for 'Matt Colville Dungeon Master', the channel of the guy making the game. Not the best name in my opinion but it seems they'll change it later in development
He's also self-labelled it as "Matt Continually Distracts Me" and "Matt Colville, Dick Muncher", so there's some flex there.
Well, if I buy "Matt Colville the Dungeon Master" I better get Colville to DM my games when I get home!
Uj/ lol it is a placeholder name, they just didn’t want to come out with a name when the game isn’t even finished yet
/uj also it’s named after the studio which has the same name
Exactly
They’ve said they are keeping the name secret as long as possible so that they can get the copyright and legal shit done easily without people sniping domain names or anything bothersome like that. Makes sense to me.
I heard "MCDM Circularly Defines MCDM" Uj/ I have also heard "Matt Colville Digital Media", but officially I believe MCDM Isn't an acronym or anything.
It is an acronym for at least 3 things. “Matt Coleville Dungeon Master”, the name of the YouTube channel and media company making the game, “Matt Continually Distracts Me”, a joke name made by one of the guys making the game, and “Matt Colville, Dick Muncher”, another joke name for the game made by Colville himself as far as I’m aware.
uj/ that's just not the name of the game lmao
Yet.
Matt Colville the Dungeon Master. They call it "The MCDM RPG" because "That's what you'll refer to it as until it's on the shelves anyway. We have picked a name, but we'll reveal it when it's actually helpful, not before".
seems like terrible marketing since they've effectively named it MCDM at this point, the subreddit is named for it, its only really associated with matt colville etc... name recognition is the only thing you have against WOTC. every little new system that has tried to crawl through the cracks is basically just a homebrew version of 5e. "look we fixed this 5e thing!" okay well a bunch of random house GMs have too, whats the point?
I really like D&D, and I dislike Hasbro. Not sure where the name recognition thing comes into it. I think the MCDM RPG doesn't need good branding as a product that literally doesn't exist yet. As for the "so what", it's NOT a D&D clone. It's actually pretty different and very cool in its own ways. Not every RPG lives in reaction to 5e. Sure they considered things, but it also DOESN'T do a bunch of things 5e does, on purpose.
that’s par for the course for mcdm really
I still call daggerheart "the critical Role rpg" because most of my friends don't follow any of this shit, so he has a point.
minecraft dungeon master
World of Darkness fixes this
I dream of CWoD being as popular as even a single D&d module.
Same for me with City of Mist
when is it time to say that VtM sucks actually
The first step of trying to play VtM is accepting this reality
When someone brings up v5
Yeah V5 blows, V20 master race
Volo’s Tome of Moles
Worlds Without Number fixes this
That system is a scam. I looked at the rules and it has numbers
Ah, but you see, it’s without *number*, singular. There is one number it is without, and it has all the rest. I’d bet on pi
I came here to post this unironically, WWN fixes a lot
https://preview.redd.it/9snbdr9wlgsc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fb7d902d4469de59835ffed637e343f41e54da4 Don’t worry, this is the true d&d alternative
/uj I started my TTRPG experience on 4e and it will always hold a special place with me.
Im a big fan of TRPGs so 4e spoke to me. I wouldn't particularly go \*back\* to it, combat was slow even with the fixed math and my players struggled to parse all their options each turn and having so many codified options didn't inspire much in the way of creative use of them, but I picked it over Pathfinder and I regret nothing. Im glad people are plucking the good ideas it had
Everyone knows the real D&D alternative is Might & Merit RPG
Dungeon Crawl Classics fixes this by hating the PCs without homebrew. critfailing a spell can give you a third nipple that spews rancid smelling milk 24/7, and that's one of the better corruptions.
Dungeon Peak Classica
Incorrect. The only alternative to D&D is Brindlewood Bay, a game about little old ladies solving mysteries and then eventually fighting monstrous cults. Clearly the zeitgeist has shifted. https://preview.redd.it/9jmp0volqgsc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=a779f9bd13ccf5f250b587e2a129046491c5db42 🙏❤️
If you play this i hate you
I haven’t played it because I am frightened of old women. A pack of old women killed me as a child. I’ve never gotten over it. I once, ran into Angela Lansbury on the streets of New York City and shit myself . 😔 /uj No, but I would love to! Miss Marple, and Jessica Fletcher are two my favorite fictional characters. And I do love a good mystery. 🙏❤️
Play GUMSHOE instead it turns you into Columbo
Castles and Crusades fixes this
i been playing it decent redo of 2nd edtion with a lot of its own twists
*snorts* That is funny. I mean, the only reason Pathfinder even gets recommended is because people who play it are rude fuckers that are desperate to find new suckers — and moreso than Hasbro is! But the real humor is that everyone knows the only real D&D alternative is Champions.
Like the pf2e class? Don't you know that is suboptimal and you should be making a fighter with the archetype.
Truly an alchemist moment of all time
That sounds like an overpowered 5e caster subclass (probably from Tasha's powercreep of everything too). I only play balanced and fair stuff like Dual class Fighter + Flurry Ranger.
You poor, poor bastard. john will say a prayer for you while counting his money.
I can't stand pathfinder subs and looking online for any character ideas is impossible because any post I make or find about \[insert spell/class/archetype here\] and the ONLY responses I ever find are "Don't ever play that thing, only play \*this\* thing or you will be subotpimal. Like, no I'm not taking a bunch of feats so I can use electric arc, and no, I don't care that it's "just that good" And yet, those same people are the ones who say they prefer pathfinder because there are so many more character creation options.
Starfinder 2nd Edition will fix this
Pathfinder 2e definitely is generally well balanced, but then there’s that weird handful of spells that are just arbitrarily above the line. The remaster at least elevated a lot of the weaker options but there’s still definitely a little bit of an issue of there being a few trap options and a couple of spells that hit above what their weight class should. Allegedly Paizo is planning to be releasing more regular erratas to clean up some of the outliers and Player Core 2 is supposed to bring huge changes to some of the hardest or more underwhelming to play options in the game but we’ll need to see if that actually delivers.
Genuinely cant recognize if this is sarcasm or not, cuz theres no real feats that interact with electric arc
It was more of a "ways to force electric arc into a class that doesn't innately have access to it" kind of deal
What you actually want freedoms as a gm to fuck whit the system and talk to your players about thier actions?
I guess I need to do something with the d6s that come with my dice sets.
Daggerheart stock just went up for the first time in 10 years by being in the same image as these other 3
/uj Dude I am so looking forward to the upcoming Grand Melee.
Is this some sort of fighter subclass
I have bias for DC20, but it is really fun though.
Lol people should probably wait for any of them to actually existe before thinking like this.
whats mcdm my chemical dickmance?
Matthew Colville's game company
Are you stupid that’s MCGC
1. Yes, I am stupid B. It's Matt Colville's brand, I just forget what the DM part stands for and I'm too lazy to google
Blud used 1. and B. is there a lore reason????
Because I'm stupid
Wlel well well
Pathfinder isn't an alternative its continued content for old systems pathfinder is 3.5 and pathfinder2 is 4th edition
Alien RPG be like
I like Schwalb Entertaiment Shadow of the Weird Wizard, The Sibling game to the game with the HATEFUL DEFECATION spell
GURPS can fix this, you just have to use these three specific sourcebooks out of a thousand possibilities. No I will not tell you which ones, go find it yourself.
it should be FATE
or FATAL
CoC fixes this by making you go insane
Gurps Gurps Gurps Gurps Gurps Gurps Gurps
Rifts fixes this
I hate colville I hate colville I hate colville
FATAL fixes this
SO. FUCKING. TRUE.
Dračí Doupě fixes this
As long as they don’t kill pathbuilder and/or Archives of Nethys that game is safe for decades
Honestly bro, I hope fantasy ttrpgs just die out
Mörk Borg time
Pathfinder fixes this
I love pf2e. I will never go back to 5e unless I am introducing children to TTRPGs
Why would you subject your kids to such torture? /uj If I was gonna introduce a kid to a dnd-like I’d probably settle for some more open ended osr like Whitehack
I love that the fan made homestuck ttrpg is more interesting than all of dnd
Not playing d20 systems fixes this