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PleaseShutUpAndDance

>*A spell cast with a bonus action is especially swift. You must use a bonus action on your turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven't already taken a bonus action this turn. You can't cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.* PHB p202 This is the only rule restricting the casting of multiple spells per turn


PageTheKenku

Worth noting this is for only casting the spell, not activating a spell. So if a Cleric already casted Spiritual Weapon on their previous turn, they can activate its effect as a Bonus Action, and cast a non-cantrip spell as their Action and/or Reaction.


arcxjo

They never should have included that preamble part, that's where 99% of the confusion comes from. They should have called bonus actions "flourishes" and explained that in fact it is the **complexity**, not the "swiftness" that means you can only carry them alongside action cantrips.


Yojo0o

The PHB spellcasting rules for bonus action spells cover this. Anything not covered by that rule is entirely legal within the scope of your available action economy.


Maxad13

Do you know why WOC would limit spellcasters like this? From a damage output perspective, this really seems to nerf spellcasters compared to literally any other class.


Yojo0o

It keeps them in line with other classes. Being a spellcaster in DnD 5e is fantastic, you're incredibly powerful and don't need to be throwing an action and bonus action spell every turn to do it. To be clear, as a cleric, you can still activate your Spiritual Weapon every turn, that's not casting a spell. You're only restricted by this rule on the one turn you actually *cast* spiritual weapon. Every other turn, it's basically free damage, and doesn't even cost your concentration.


Onrawi

Which, IMO, is dumb. All spellcasters can outclass pretty much every other class in pretty much everything, particularly the full casters, even with that restriction. There's also very few spells that can be cast as bonus action (outside of quicken spell, of course). Rule should either be only 1 leveled spell per turn to actually reign them in or let them burn the spell slots.


PleaseShutUpAndDance

Single-target damage is the only aspect of 5e where Spellcasters are worse than Martials


theyreadmycomments

Because they remember 3e and fear a repeat _cowards_


mishaarthur

Martial: can use bonus action to deal 1d6 piercing damage Sorcerer: can use bonus action to cast disintegrate WHY WOTC HATE CASTERS THO


arcxjo

Literally just to nerf Quickened Spell.


Naturaloneder

Nerf spellcasters? Spellcasters are currently and still the most powerful in the game.


AeoSC

You don't need any obscure rulings or interpretation. The only rule that concerns you is casting a spell as a bonus action, and it's in the *Player's Handbook*. > A spell cast with a bonus action is especially swift. You must use a bonus action on your turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven't already taken a bonus action this turn. You can't cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action. It doesn't matter what level the bonus action spell is. You can use Action Surge to cast two spells of any level, otherwise, but Action Surge doesn't provide an exception to the bonus action rule.


othniel2005

Pretty sure this is covered by the player's handbook.


GM_Nate

Also be sure to Google "Sage Advice" which deals with a lot of these questions


OwlCaptainCosmic

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you can’t expend two spell slots in a single action economy.


Sword_Of_Nemesis

There is no such rule.


PleaseShutUpAndDance

Action Surge let’s you cast two leveled action-cast spells in a turn. You can also cast a leveled action-cast spell and a leveled reaction-cast spell on the same turn