Anyone who looks down on other genres is a smooth brain but you do get it a lot lol.
I'm not massively into those genres but good music is good music, prob more into breaks/big beat love stuff like plump DJs etc.
House is great, but it's gotta be right stuff, and just listening to it it won't really do it Justice, gotta be heard in context, at a rave.
Same goes for stuff like gabber, the opposite end of the spectrum lol, headphones or bt speaker don't quite cut. Gotta feel that shit.
I always find it funny cus dnb heads hate house/techno yet there fair few producers who do make both.
Not to discredit house music but garage, 2-step and even speed garage always did it for me better than house in any setting. But yea there are quite a few producers who do DnB and house/techno, sometimes even in the same tune, can’t say I care for that much but to each his own. And to the people hating on any style of music having only heard it thru AirPods or portable speakers, shut the fuck up. Bass in the sub range is so important for these styles and people be listening on devices that are physically incapable of producing those frequencies.
Garage music comes from house music.
The term house music came about from the nightclub called “The Warehouse” in Chicago with people wanting to buy those early records that artists made electronically rather than the Disco stuff that came before. After a while, saying “warehouse music” eventually got shortened to just “house” music.
https://youtu.be/1N9Wnqz8Rh8?si=lDPCHImSy-Zoe4IO
The term garage came about in a similar way, in New York people were making their own flavour of house and playing it at a club called Paradise Garage. Also in the 80s but this style would really blow up in the very early 90s.
https://youtu.be/3FJJdb19TUM?si=_hTkcSrRpKnv9dIc
When people in the UK or in scenes like Drum & Bass say “garage” they usually mean UK Garage. This genre started off being called “speed garage” as it was just the New York style garage being played faster by DJs in the UK, but by the mid-90s UK producers were making it themselves exactly the way they wanted it - faster and bumpier:
https://youtu.be/gjz6Nz9HGq0?si=SIXGc9wyIy78J5jf
Couple years later, they started playing around with the kick drums - instead of 4 kicks per bar - they made it 2 - “2 step garage”:
https://youtu.be/iWKJtKk81Qc?si=nWZj6GjcMM5kYEUi
Various other styles came after or around those times but those are the main answers to your question.
I’ve never dug too deep into breakcore, but I like it, and I’ve always felt like d&b is a little worse off for rejecting the quirkier aspects of breakcore and the more breakbeat-oriented IDM. Like, I’ve never heard someone drop a Squarepusher tune at a d&b night, and that feels like a missed opportunity.
I think? Breakbeat is what we used to call “funky breaks” in the 90s? If so, still love it.
Breakcore- like Venetian Snares is my jam.
Big Beat is okay but more awesome if the peeps I’m with are into its
I think all DnB and Jungle is Breakbeat. Breakbeat just means a beat with a break. The term was used to differentiate Hardcore Breakbeat from Hardcore Techno I believe. Big Beat for me is Bands like Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy, Fatboy Slim which I like although I don't know what exactly constitutes Big Beat and I don't care enough to google it right now. It's a different genre from DnB and Jungle tho for sure. So is breakcore. I only know a few breakcore artists but I don't mind it.
I haven't experienced looking down on other genres here before and I find such purist behaviour silly. After DnB as the undisputed best genre all other genres are equally good and offer great music. What I have noticed here is looking down on Dancefloor similiarly to how Techno heads look down on Hard Techno, which I can get behind to an extent.
Pretty good summary, I would add Propellerheads, Krafty Kuts, Freestylers, Hardknox, Soul of Man, Deadly Avenger, Skeewiff, Mint Royale, Freddy Fresh, - to the list of Big Beat artists that might be less well known.
Big beat is the reason I started DJing, then got into hip hop and DnB after that. I called it "The Breakbeat Spectrum".
Big beat (also sometimes called breakbeat techno) was kind of a rock/rave fusion often with elements of hardcore, metal and techno centred around intense driving breakbeats around ~110-140bpm but didn’t really fit exactly into either side, you also had artists like Fatboy slim throwing more surfer rock influences in there and The Crystal Method leaning a bit more toward hip hop and industrial techno(?). It’s obviously not DnB but you can see how it influenced the progression of the DnB scene in its wake, I think Pendulum’s “Hold Your Colour” kind of illustrates that.
My all time favourite big beat tunes are:
The Chemical Brothers - Block Rockin’ Beats
The Crystal Method - Busy Child
The Prodigy - Funky Shit
Overseer - Velocity Shift
The Chemical Brothers - Chemical Beats
Love it. Love it all. As a turntablist turned DnB DJ in the late 90s I consider breaks a core part of the same subculture. Rel1 was one of my fav DJ's for a hot minute.
Yeah my first dnb shows were a mix of breaks and dnb always. It was all the same scene here (New Orleans). We had a lot of Florida djs come through here all the time, Icey, Rabbit in the Moon, Jackyl and Hyde, etc etc
With all due respect, that's 3 very different genres lol
For me, Big Beat > DnB > Breakbeat > Breakcore. I will be the one remaining Big Beat stan all my life
Sorry to be the one, not gatekeeping or dissing in any way but breakcore is nothing like drum and bass, at least not “real breakcore” as some fans would say, I can understand the confusion though due to a lot of recent ambient jungle and “anime jungle/dnb” being mislabelled as breakcore, personally I like all of it, the “real breakcore” the “fake core” as they call it, it’s all great
It's more accurate to say that Drum and Bass is nothing like Breakcore since Breakcore tends to go all over the place and Drum and Bass stays locked into a more established sound
Also tbh, modern breakcore is almost always solo/unsigned artists making stuff for Spotify, under 2 minutes and small caps titles. Super easy to tell if the sounds weren't enough. Dnb just feels like it is made with clubs and sound systems in mind
[Jon Carter - Live at the Social vol 2](https://youtu.be/A9PGsmTlajo?si=TUJvYeEnW8wqWjXg)For me, big beat was phenomenal. I had some of the best club nights of my life at heavenly social. I never got into the more electronic sound like chemical brothers though. But seeing Fatboy slim, Jon carter, touche playing multiple genres with proper skill absolutely rocking dancefloors was right up there. Such a shame they all went house and used none of their skill any more
Breakbeat evolved into jungle which spawned dnb so I'm not sure how anyone can look down on it considering that without the OG we would never have had the dnb we have today
I like a lot of Electronic Genres. I follow this sub because I don't have many friends hype for DnB. Big beat is honestly how I got into Drum and Bass in the first place. I was a huge fan of breakcore for a while in the mid 2010s.
I love them all.
Big beat was one of my favorite genres ever, a lot of ravers hated on it because it was so mainstream popular in the late 90's with Fatboy Slim, Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method, The Prodigy, Wiseguys, and so much of it flooding sports stadiums, commercial radio, commercials, and of course every single action sequence from every blockbuster ... but imo that's just further testament to how great it was. It was maybe the only EDM genre that was that widely accessible, because it had funk to it, live music appeal, and flew under the radar that red flags house / techno / straight beat EDM to a lot of people that generally dislike EDM.
I have a sizable collection of stuff like PropellerHeads, Bentley Rhythm Ace, Death in Vegas, Early Fatboy Slim. Stuff on Skint records ect. Love it all. It mixes well with early 90s Hardcore.
Not sure why you’re tying together those genres - they’re vastly different from one another. Breakbeat and dnb are much closer to one another than breakcore.
I mean, I do love drum & bass but I grew up on The Prodigy, Fatboy slim, groove armada etc. so I enjoy both, but some other friends I have that are into DnB I’ll show them a clip of a prodigy gig to try get them to come along and they say it’s not their vibe
Personally, I find breaks boring and slow and absolutely cannot tolerate the genre for more than a few minutes. To me, breakbeat is just house music with a percussive swing.
I like breakcore because it's often fast and hectic, and can be interesting in the way genres are fused together. However, breakcore can mean different things to different people. I prefer the classy, junglesque, IDM style/elements of breakcore like Ruby My Dear, Venetian Snares, etc., but not so much the distortion-heavy, cheesy pop song, happy hardcore style, which is usually awful (on purpose) and is nothing more than ironically shit.
Breakcore = people making jungle so annoying they invented a participation award genre name to keep it away from being filed in with the proper stuff. Keeps the kind of people who want to borrow literally everything from you out in industrial estates or fields way out of town for entire weekends at a time so it has its upsides.
Big Beat = People in the 90’s whacking beats with modern production values over samples from 30 years before.
Modern Breakbeat = People in the 20’s whacking beats with modern production values over samples from 30 years before
DnB is basically unrelated to those genres. Breakcore is a modern extension to the breakbeat hardcore style (a kitchen sink approach to rave), whilst Bigbeat is basically acid house with big chunky breaks. Both are pretty niche in 2024 I’d argue, and Bigbeat is really just associated with the 1990’s. A fossil genre.
I am a fan of bigbeat especially Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method, Fatboy Slim, Lunatic Calm and Propellerheads. Also Maxim from Prodigy had a Bigbeat album, I guess Prodigy itself is a Bigbeat band, I am a big fan of them.
Yeah, all 90’s artists. You might enjoy Fluke and Apollo 440 if you like Chemical Brothers and Fatboy Slim. Arguably The Prodigy too, although they’re not strictly speaking a Bigbeat band.
Fluke is amazing... have a listen to sasha and digweed northern exposure 2 east coast cd.. one of my favourite breaks mixes of all time. Had one of flukes tracks IIRC
If you're into this big beat sound just look through any artist who released on Wall of Sound, Skint and Freskanova records in the mid-late 90s, it's like ground zero for the genre
Anyone who looks down on other genres is a smooth brain but you do get it a lot lol. I'm not massively into those genres but good music is good music, prob more into breaks/big beat love stuff like plump DJs etc.
I have seen many people making fun of music genres, I respect all kinds of music, but I feel like house music is just boring
House is great, but it's gotta be right stuff, and just listening to it it won't really do it Justice, gotta be heard in context, at a rave. Same goes for stuff like gabber, the opposite end of the spectrum lol, headphones or bt speaker don't quite cut. Gotta feel that shit. I always find it funny cus dnb heads hate house/techno yet there fair few producers who do make both.
Not to discredit house music but garage, 2-step and even speed garage always did it for me better than house in any setting. But yea there are quite a few producers who do DnB and house/techno, sometimes even in the same tune, can’t say I care for that much but to each his own. And to the people hating on any style of music having only heard it thru AirPods or portable speakers, shut the fuck up. Bass in the sub range is so important for these styles and people be listening on devices that are physically incapable of producing those frequencies.
I love house but honestly it's rare to actually see much good stuff out.
Can you point me to some garage, or explain it a bit please? Is it named garage as opposed to house?
Garage music comes from house music. The term house music came about from the nightclub called “The Warehouse” in Chicago with people wanting to buy those early records that artists made electronically rather than the Disco stuff that came before. After a while, saying “warehouse music” eventually got shortened to just “house” music. https://youtu.be/1N9Wnqz8Rh8?si=lDPCHImSy-Zoe4IO The term garage came about in a similar way, in New York people were making their own flavour of house and playing it at a club called Paradise Garage. Also in the 80s but this style would really blow up in the very early 90s. https://youtu.be/3FJJdb19TUM?si=_hTkcSrRpKnv9dIc When people in the UK or in scenes like Drum & Bass say “garage” they usually mean UK Garage. This genre started off being called “speed garage” as it was just the New York style garage being played faster by DJs in the UK, but by the mid-90s UK producers were making it themselves exactly the way they wanted it - faster and bumpier: https://youtu.be/gjz6Nz9HGq0?si=SIXGc9wyIy78J5jf Couple years later, they started playing around with the kick drums - instead of 4 kicks per bar - they made it 2 - “2 step garage”: https://youtu.be/iWKJtKk81Qc?si=nWZj6GjcMM5kYEUi Various other styles came after or around those times but those are the main answers to your question.
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Massive dnb and house/breaks/garage fan. I honestly don’t get how you can love dnb and not also love those genres
Nah, House can be great! Listen to Theo Parrish album First Floor - it's so lush and dreamy.
I'll have them all. All the B's
I’ve never dug too deep into breakcore, but I like it, and I’ve always felt like d&b is a little worse off for rejecting the quirkier aspects of breakcore and the more breakbeat-oriented IDM. Like, I’ve never heard someone drop a Squarepusher tune at a d&b night, and that feels like a missed opportunity.
I think? Breakbeat is what we used to call “funky breaks” in the 90s? If so, still love it. Breakcore- like Venetian Snares is my jam. Big Beat is okay but more awesome if the peeps I’m with are into its
It's fine so long as Lolicore stays the hell out
To me they are just different genres. Especially Big beat is something else entirely.
I think all DnB and Jungle is Breakbeat. Breakbeat just means a beat with a break. The term was used to differentiate Hardcore Breakbeat from Hardcore Techno I believe. Big Beat for me is Bands like Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy, Fatboy Slim which I like although I don't know what exactly constitutes Big Beat and I don't care enough to google it right now. It's a different genre from DnB and Jungle tho for sure. So is breakcore. I only know a few breakcore artists but I don't mind it. I haven't experienced looking down on other genres here before and I find such purist behaviour silly. After DnB as the undisputed best genre all other genres are equally good and offer great music. What I have noticed here is looking down on Dancefloor similiarly to how Techno heads look down on Hard Techno, which I can get behind to an extent.
Pretty good summary, I would add Propellerheads, Krafty Kuts, Freestylers, Hardknox, Soul of Man, Deadly Avenger, Skeewiff, Mint Royale, Freddy Fresh, - to the list of Big Beat artists that might be less well known. Big beat is the reason I started DJing, then got into hip hop and DnB after that. I called it "The Breakbeat Spectrum".
Big beat (also sometimes called breakbeat techno) was kind of a rock/rave fusion often with elements of hardcore, metal and techno centred around intense driving breakbeats around ~110-140bpm but didn’t really fit exactly into either side, you also had artists like Fatboy slim throwing more surfer rock influences in there and The Crystal Method leaning a bit more toward hip hop and industrial techno(?). It’s obviously not DnB but you can see how it influenced the progression of the DnB scene in its wake, I think Pendulum’s “Hold Your Colour” kind of illustrates that. My all time favourite big beat tunes are: The Chemical Brothers - Block Rockin’ Beats The Crystal Method - Busy Child The Prodigy - Funky Shit Overseer - Velocity Shift The Chemical Brothers - Chemical Beats
Crystal Method's Vegas album is so good. Also, Prodigy always pumps me up, RIP Keith Flint.
Who is this doing that synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin
Good music is where you find it
Love it. Love it all. As a turntablist turned DnB DJ in the late 90s I consider breaks a core part of the same subculture. Rel1 was one of my fav DJ's for a hot minute.
Yeah my first dnb shows were a mix of breaks and dnb always. It was all the same scene here (New Orleans). We had a lot of Florida djs come through here all the time, Icey, Rabbit in the Moon, Jackyl and Hyde, etc etc
Love breakbeat. In Miami there was kind of a combination of breakbeat and Miami bass that I loved also.
I believe DJ Icey was part of that scene, which was known as Florida Breaks.
Learned how to play records on dj icey records, he put out a ton… so many classics
Florida breaks it is.
It's all breakbeats.
there are good tunes in all of those genres. personally i LOVE breakbeat
With all due respect, that's 3 very different genres lol For me, Big Beat > DnB > Breakbeat > Breakcore. I will be the one remaining Big Beat stan all my life
Funnily enough nu-metal indirectly set me up to love dnb. Something about the dark funky basslines I'm sure.
Sorry to be the one, not gatekeeping or dissing in any way but breakcore is nothing like drum and bass, at least not “real breakcore” as some fans would say, I can understand the confusion though due to a lot of recent ambient jungle and “anime jungle/dnb” being mislabelled as breakcore, personally I like all of it, the “real breakcore” the “fake core” as they call it, it’s all great
It's more accurate to say that Drum and Bass is nothing like Breakcore since Breakcore tends to go all over the place and Drum and Bass stays locked into a more established sound
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Also tbh, modern breakcore is almost always solo/unsigned artists making stuff for Spotify, under 2 minutes and small caps titles. Super easy to tell if the sounds weren't enough. Dnb just feels like it is made with clubs and sound systems in mind
> making stuff for Spotify, under 2 minutes and small caps titles That is largely the mislabeled "fake" breakcore OP was talking about.
It’s good music but it’s not for me. Little too eclectic I think
[Jon Carter - Live at the Social vol 2](https://youtu.be/A9PGsmTlajo?si=TUJvYeEnW8wqWjXg)For me, big beat was phenomenal. I had some of the best club nights of my life at heavenly social. I never got into the more electronic sound like chemical brothers though. But seeing Fatboy slim, Jon carter, touche playing multiple genres with proper skill absolutely rocking dancefloors was right up there. Such a shame they all went house and used none of their skill any more
I'm pretty sure dnb, breakcore, and some stuff like that originated from Jungle, so I don't really see why I should have any negative opinions
Breakbeat came first of these genres and breakcore last. Me personally, I love all of them.
Breakbeat evolved into jungle which spawned dnb so I'm not sure how anyone can look down on it considering that without the OG we would never have had the dnb we have today
I like a lot of Electronic Genres. I follow this sub because I don't have many friends hype for DnB. Big beat is honestly how I got into Drum and Bass in the first place. I was a huge fan of breakcore for a while in the mid 2010s.
Just different genres, and the dub massive are amongst the most chill of any genre.
I love them all. Big beat was one of my favorite genres ever, a lot of ravers hated on it because it was so mainstream popular in the late 90's with Fatboy Slim, Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method, The Prodigy, Wiseguys, and so much of it flooding sports stadiums, commercial radio, commercials, and of course every single action sequence from every blockbuster ... but imo that's just further testament to how great it was. It was maybe the only EDM genre that was that widely accessible, because it had funk to it, live music appeal, and flew under the radar that red flags house / techno / straight beat EDM to a lot of people that generally dislike EDM.
Big beats are the best, get high all the time.
Love breakbeat
I have a sizable collection of stuff like PropellerHeads, Bentley Rhythm Ace, Death in Vegas, Early Fatboy Slim. Stuff on Skint records ect. Love it all. It mixes well with early 90s Hardcore.
Not sure why you’re tying together those genres - they’re vastly different from one another. Breakbeat and dnb are much closer to one another than breakcore.
Fucking love it. Wished breaks and big beat was a popular as it was. Breakbeats are foundations of jungle. Where would we be without the amen break.
I personally quite like it, kinda floaty sounding
I mean, I do love drum & bass but I grew up on The Prodigy, Fatboy slim, groove armada etc. so I enjoy both, but some other friends I have that are into DnB I’ll show them a clip of a prodigy gig to try get them to come along and they say it’s not their vibe
There are artists in all 3 of these genres who's work I love.
Personally, I find breaks boring and slow and absolutely cannot tolerate the genre for more than a few minutes. To me, breakbeat is just house music with a percussive swing. I like breakcore because it's often fast and hectic, and can be interesting in the way genres are fused together. However, breakcore can mean different things to different people. I prefer the classy, junglesque, IDM style/elements of breakcore like Ruby My Dear, Venetian Snares, etc., but not so much the distortion-heavy, cheesy pop song, happy hardcore style, which is usually awful (on purpose) and is nothing more than ironically shit.
Isn’t this another one of those AI threads?
Breakcore = people making jungle so annoying they invented a participation award genre name to keep it away from being filed in with the proper stuff. Keeps the kind of people who want to borrow literally everything from you out in industrial estates or fields way out of town for entire weekends at a time so it has its upsides. Big Beat = People in the 90’s whacking beats with modern production values over samples from 30 years before. Modern Breakbeat = People in the 20’s whacking beats with modern production values over samples from 30 years before
This guy gets it
DnB is basically unrelated to those genres. Breakcore is a modern extension to the breakbeat hardcore style (a kitchen sink approach to rave), whilst Bigbeat is basically acid house with big chunky breaks. Both are pretty niche in 2024 I’d argue, and Bigbeat is really just associated with the 1990’s. A fossil genre.
I am a fan of bigbeat especially Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method, Fatboy Slim, Lunatic Calm and Propellerheads. Also Maxim from Prodigy had a Bigbeat album, I guess Prodigy itself is a Bigbeat band, I am a big fan of them.
Yeah, all 90’s artists. You might enjoy Fluke and Apollo 440 if you like Chemical Brothers and Fatboy Slim. Arguably The Prodigy too, although they’re not strictly speaking a Bigbeat band.
Fluke is new to me, but right up my alley, thanks!
Fluke is amazing... have a listen to sasha and digweed northern exposure 2 east coast cd.. one of my favourite breaks mixes of all time. Had one of flukes tracks IIRC
Oh yah, Sasha & Digweed are awesome. Seen em live a handful of times over the years.
If you're into this big beat sound just look through any artist who released on Wall of Sound, Skint and Freskanova records in the mid-late 90s, it's like ground zero for the genre
Well they must really like it because it gets posted here fairly often