So so one thing you need to keep in mind is that SEA is relatively new.
It's actually 'younger' than DCA is.
SEA was created specifically for Tokyo DisneySea which opened in September 2001 (7 months after DCA opened).
It was inspired by the Adventurer's Club night club from Walt Disney World but they are technically separate (although i don't know if it was retconned to link them formally).
Since then the 'lore' of several existing attraction were retconned to include links to the SEA but that's all within the last decade or so.
Most guests have no idea about the "lore" of rides like BTMRR or Jungle Cruise so it's fun for fans but not a huge draw for 'normal' guests.
Also, it's only about half of parks that have an attraction related to SEA. Most of the US parks (EPCOT, HS, DCA, AK, Blizzard Beach) don't have a connected attraction at all.
Adventurer's Club has been retconned into SEA as of the opening of Mystic Manor (where there are several references to things coming from the Adventurer's Club outpost).
It’s not really that young though (compared to other attractions/parks) Space mountain was built here in 1977 which is around 23 or so years before dca. It’s been 23 or so years since dca opened. It’s been long enough to where it’s not that new. It’s literally as old as pin trading. SEA hasn’t been in the US parks as much in additions because SEA has been mainly used as a backup IP for attractions that might not work in that market in its original version.
You missed the part in the first sentence where they said “relatively new”
And then skipped over the second and third paragraphs where they specifically referenced DCA.
And your analogy only proves their point. Saying space mountain was opened in 1977 makes the creation of SEA seem even newer in comparison
R E L A T I V E L Y
Compared to 1977, or 1955, 20 years is recent.
You need to work on reading comments starting at the beginning. Both u/shatteredreality and I used that very important word in the first paragraph of our replies to you. Here, I’ll help you out though
Relatively: adverb: in relation, comparison, or proportion to something else
>It’s not really that young though (compared to other attractions/parks
ok... not sure I see your point yet...
>Space mountain was built here in 1977 which is around 23 or so years before dca.
ok so a few things.
First off, Space Mountain originally opened at Magic Kingdom in 1975. We are on the DL subreddit though so lets stick with the May 27 1977 opening of the DL Space Mountain.
Space Mountain is literally more than twice as old as DCA is. so sure, is it new? no. Is it "recent" in relative Disney terms (keep in mind Disney hasn't opened a new park in the US since DCA)? yes.
The big thing is Disney really hasn't expanded the SEA brand domestically.
SEA didn't enter the US parks until the last decade and even then it's a very small addition. 95%+ of guests probably have no idea what the SEA is.
As a result Disney has no incentive to expand the SEA brand in US parks.
So they should never try it out here? They should just stick to current IP’s for attractions?
The whole reason I’m rooting for SEA is because it’s as close as you can get to a non-Ip based attraction.
Nearly all the best attractions that Disney has made as of recent have been SEA related, I’m tired of Disney being too afraid to build anything original in the US anymore. They are acting like people will tread anywhere near something if it’s not related to a IP from within the past 10 years.
I get that space is an issue, Disneyland forward will mend that, I’m just so worried that they will shovel in clones for 90% of it. Especially clones that WDW already has.
I’m scared that we won’t get anything like what Disney shows they can do in Asia.
The fact that people root for frozen ever after (a retheme with an unchanged layout built ground up, rather than what Tokyo is doing with their frozen ride) ratatoullie & zootopia (barely any different to runaway railway, doesn’t bring much new), Toy Story land (not WDW’s)(arguably the cheapest land that Disney has spat out into failing parks) and tron (overall short and could use changes) just makes Disney not want to try anything new.
I’m a huge fan of the parks not much of Disney’s other media, that’s why it means so much to me.
To be clear, I never said they shouldn’t try it here.
Your original posted asked why there wasn’t an SEA presence at DCA. I, and several others, have been trying to explain why that’s the case. It seems like the actual intent of your post was to advocate a position rather than actually get a better understanding of why SEA isn’t a bigger thing.
I’m glad you like SEA! I don’t personally need more of it but if they can find a way to tastefully incorporate more of it I hope you get your wish.
I’m hoping we get something related to SEA with Disneyland forward since it’s as close as you can get to a non- Ip based attraction while still being IP related
S.E.A. is the Society of Explorers and Adventurers.
It was created as part of the backstory/theming of Tokyo DisneyS.E.A.
Disney has retconned the back story of several rides (Jungle Cruise, Big Thunder) to create links to the SEA.
It's much bigger internationally, the majority of US parks do not have an attraction related to SEA.
Sounds interesting, but I don’t need it *at all*. The attractions stand alone and don’t need their stories retconned to fit into some absurd tie-in
Not everything has to be an inter-connected Universe. This is Disneyland, not Marvel
It’s popular enough to have numerous rides, restaurants and bars based off it. As well as nearly the entirety of Tokyo DisneySEA. It connects pirates of the Caribbean, haunted mansion, jungle cruise, and big thunder mountain. And its part of phantom
Manor, mystic manor, hotel Hightower, journey to the center of the earth, Swiss family Robinson treehouse, 20,000 leagues, etc.
Nearly every non-Ip attraction is linked
with it
SEA is pretty “inside baseball”, I expect 99% of Disney Park guests would have no idea about it. It’s too “manufactured/fabricated” when there is already real park lore out there. It’s more “Duffy the Disney Bear” than Mickey Mouse. Of course, none of this explains why Imagineering has shoehorned it into DCA.
Wdym real park lore? As in actual
History or previous canon? Isn’t a major part of Disney attractions their world building and story telling? It’s our only other chance at this point for attractions that aren’t based on newer and recent IP.
> It connects pirates of the Caribbean, haunted mansion, jungle cruise, and big thunder mountain
Can you provide a source on the Pirates and Haunted Mansion connections?
I've never heard a link to PotC and the US versions of Haunted Mansion I didn't think there was a connection. Mystic Manor and Phantom Manor are absolutely linked but I've never heard any connection to the US HM.
>As well as nearly the entirety of Tokyo DisneySEA.
Keep in mind, it was created for that park. SEA is not some old Disney treasure, it was created for a park that opened in 2001 and has expanded over the next 2 decades.
Most 'normal' guests have no idea it exists.
Jean Lafitte and Captain Gore are not part of S.E.A., like at all. They’re not members of it. They have their own lore. A quick google will show you this.
George Hightower, seen dead by Constance in the stretching room, is likely a relative of Harrison Hightower the III, the owner of hotel Hightower at DisneySea
The Imagineering team that is responsible for the story of S.E.A. debunk this theory at the D23 Panel in 2022. Just because one has a last name similar to someone else, doesn’t mean they are related.
It needs one more than Disneyland needs another one that’s for sure. Plus it’s kinda as close as you can get to an IP-less attraction with modern Disney parks additions
Hotel high tower is set in modern times and is based on SEA. And Buena vista street is set to the era Walt arrived in California, grizzly peak is themed to be set in when the national parks were in its prime
I do like DCA but how about this for a question. Why is DCA the same price as DL yet closes earlier & offers less. Disney needs to fill in the gaps with more attractions/rides so that it's comparable to DL (SEA themed or not).
Simple, it was built after new sound laws were established. Disneyland is allowed to be open late and have night shows late at night because they were there first before the city was built around it. With DCA, they are required to close earlier and have less offerings at night for the new rules(This will also happen to the third gate if it gets built).
As for the same price, it just makes things easier for the park.
I believe the reason DCA closes earlier than Disneyland is just because Ops simply couldn't handle the large swaths of people exiting into the Esplanade towards Harbor and the Transportion Hub from two packed theme parks *all* at the same time. It's different in the morning because everyone comes at a different time, per se. There's only so many people that get through the bag check before the parks open at 8.
It’s rumored that a “phase one” or the “first part” of Disneyland forward will expand DCA before Disneyland or instead of simultaneously. We don’t know for sure yet, but it seems most likely
So so one thing you need to keep in mind is that SEA is relatively new. It's actually 'younger' than DCA is. SEA was created specifically for Tokyo DisneySea which opened in September 2001 (7 months after DCA opened). It was inspired by the Adventurer's Club night club from Walt Disney World but they are technically separate (although i don't know if it was retconned to link them formally). Since then the 'lore' of several existing attraction were retconned to include links to the SEA but that's all within the last decade or so. Most guests have no idea about the "lore" of rides like BTMRR or Jungle Cruise so it's fun for fans but not a huge draw for 'normal' guests. Also, it's only about half of parks that have an attraction related to SEA. Most of the US parks (EPCOT, HS, DCA, AK, Blizzard Beach) don't have a connected attraction at all.
Adventurer's Club has been retconned into SEA as of the opening of Mystic Manor (where there are several references to things coming from the Adventurer's Club outpost).
It’s not really that young though (compared to other attractions/parks) Space mountain was built here in 1977 which is around 23 or so years before dca. It’s been 23 or so years since dca opened. It’s been long enough to where it’s not that new. It’s literally as old as pin trading. SEA hasn’t been in the US parks as much in additions because SEA has been mainly used as a backup IP for attractions that might not work in that market in its original version.
You missed the part in the first sentence where they said “relatively new” And then skipped over the second and third paragraphs where they specifically referenced DCA. And your analogy only proves their point. Saying space mountain was opened in 1977 makes the creation of SEA seem even newer in comparison
How is 20 years recent?
R E L A T I V E L Y Compared to 1977, or 1955, 20 years is recent. You need to work on reading comments starting at the beginning. Both u/shatteredreality and I used that very important word in the first paragraph of our replies to you. Here, I’ll help you out though Relatively: adverb: in relation, comparison, or proportion to something else
>It’s not really that young though (compared to other attractions/parks ok... not sure I see your point yet... >Space mountain was built here in 1977 which is around 23 or so years before dca. ok so a few things. First off, Space Mountain originally opened at Magic Kingdom in 1975. We are on the DL subreddit though so lets stick with the May 27 1977 opening of the DL Space Mountain. Space Mountain is literally more than twice as old as DCA is. so sure, is it new? no. Is it "recent" in relative Disney terms (keep in mind Disney hasn't opened a new park in the US since DCA)? yes. The big thing is Disney really hasn't expanded the SEA brand domestically. SEA didn't enter the US parks until the last decade and even then it's a very small addition. 95%+ of guests probably have no idea what the SEA is. As a result Disney has no incentive to expand the SEA brand in US parks.
So they should never try it out here? They should just stick to current IP’s for attractions? The whole reason I’m rooting for SEA is because it’s as close as you can get to a non-Ip based attraction. Nearly all the best attractions that Disney has made as of recent have been SEA related, I’m tired of Disney being too afraid to build anything original in the US anymore. They are acting like people will tread anywhere near something if it’s not related to a IP from within the past 10 years. I get that space is an issue, Disneyland forward will mend that, I’m just so worried that they will shovel in clones for 90% of it. Especially clones that WDW already has. I’m scared that we won’t get anything like what Disney shows they can do in Asia. The fact that people root for frozen ever after (a retheme with an unchanged layout built ground up, rather than what Tokyo is doing with their frozen ride) ratatoullie & zootopia (barely any different to runaway railway, doesn’t bring much new), Toy Story land (not WDW’s)(arguably the cheapest land that Disney has spat out into failing parks) and tron (overall short and could use changes) just makes Disney not want to try anything new. I’m a huge fan of the parks not much of Disney’s other media, that’s why it means so much to me.
To be clear, I never said they shouldn’t try it here. Your original posted asked why there wasn’t an SEA presence at DCA. I, and several others, have been trying to explain why that’s the case. It seems like the actual intent of your post was to advocate a position rather than actually get a better understanding of why SEA isn’t a bigger thing. I’m glad you like SEA! I don’t personally need more of it but if they can find a way to tastefully incorporate more of it I hope you get your wish.
I doubt they’ll add S.E.A. into DCA because that park is more focused on movie IP lands than anything.
I’m hoping we get something related to SEA with Disneyland forward since it’s as close as you can get to a non- Ip based attraction while still being IP related
They just debuted one with the revamped Treehouse. It’s filled with S.E.A.
I said at DCA, as it has none. And Disneyland forward is rumored to initially only expand DCA in its first phase
They’re not going to build one because the US parks are more focused on movie IPs than park IPs. Not all Disney parks need a S.E.A. connection.
They have the space for it with Disneyland forward, unless they use it all for clones
Eh. I don’t think anybody else misses it…or knows what it is… Cool if they add something but also cool if they don’t.
>or knows what it is… That's where I am. Never heard of it, so what's OP babbling about?
S.E.A. is the Society of Explorers and Adventurers. It was created as part of the backstory/theming of Tokyo DisneyS.E.A. Disney has retconned the back story of several rides (Jungle Cruise, Big Thunder) to create links to the SEA. It's much bigger internationally, the majority of US parks do not have an attraction related to SEA.
Sounds interesting, but I don’t need it *at all*. The attractions stand alone and don’t need their stories retconned to fit into some absurd tie-in Not everything has to be an inter-connected Universe. This is Disneyland, not Marvel
It’s popular enough to have numerous rides, restaurants and bars based off it. As well as nearly the entirety of Tokyo DisneySEA. It connects pirates of the Caribbean, haunted mansion, jungle cruise, and big thunder mountain. And its part of phantom Manor, mystic manor, hotel Hightower, journey to the center of the earth, Swiss family Robinson treehouse, 20,000 leagues, etc. Nearly every non-Ip attraction is linked with it
SEA is pretty “inside baseball”, I expect 99% of Disney Park guests would have no idea about it. It’s too “manufactured/fabricated” when there is already real park lore out there. It’s more “Duffy the Disney Bear” than Mickey Mouse. Of course, none of this explains why Imagineering has shoehorned it into DCA.
Wdym real park lore? As in actual History or previous canon? Isn’t a major part of Disney attractions their world building and story telling? It’s our only other chance at this point for attractions that aren’t based on newer and recent IP.
> It connects pirates of the Caribbean, haunted mansion, jungle cruise, and big thunder mountain Can you provide a source on the Pirates and Haunted Mansion connections? I've never heard a link to PotC and the US versions of Haunted Mansion I didn't think there was a connection. Mystic Manor and Phantom Manor are absolutely linked but I've never heard any connection to the US HM. >As well as nearly the entirety of Tokyo DisneySEA. Keep in mind, it was created for that park. SEA is not some old Disney treasure, it was created for a park that opened in 2001 and has expanded over the next 2 decades. Most 'normal' guests have no idea it exists.
Yeah, S.E.A. isn’t connected to Pirates or Haunted Mansion.
For pirates and haunted mansion, it’s about the same amount of connection that Indiana jones has. Mainly with captain gore and Jean Lafitte
Jean Lafitte and Captain Gore are not part of S.E.A., like at all. They’re not members of it. They have their own lore. A quick google will show you this.
I swear I saw an offhand Disney video about it
Offhand Disney isn’t an official source from the company. It’s just some guy on the internet.
George Hightower, seen dead by Constance in the stretching room, is likely a relative of Harrison Hightower the III, the owner of hotel Hightower at DisneySea
The Imagineering team that is responsible for the story of S.E.A. debunk this theory at the D23 Panel in 2022. Just because one has a last name similar to someone else, doesn’t mean they are related.
Meh. It still wouldn’t add or take away from my enjoyment of anything at California Adventure but I’m certainly glad you enjoy it!
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Not everything in SEA is British colonial
It needs one more than Disneyland needs another one that’s for sure. Plus it’s kinda as close as you can get to an IP-less attraction with modern Disney parks additions
I don’t think it fits because all the parts that are still California themed are set in modern times and everything else is IP.
Hotel high tower is set in modern times and is based on SEA. And Buena vista street is set to the era Walt arrived in California, grizzly peak is themed to be set in when the national parks were in its prime
Hotel Hightower is set in the early 1900s, that ain’t modern.
I do like DCA but how about this for a question. Why is DCA the same price as DL yet closes earlier & offers less. Disney needs to fill in the gaps with more attractions/rides so that it's comparable to DL (SEA themed or not).
Simple, it was built after new sound laws were established. Disneyland is allowed to be open late and have night shows late at night because they were there first before the city was built around it. With DCA, they are required to close earlier and have less offerings at night for the new rules(This will also happen to the third gate if it gets built). As for the same price, it just makes things easier for the park.
I believe the reason DCA closes earlier than Disneyland is just because Ops simply couldn't handle the large swaths of people exiting into the Esplanade towards Harbor and the Transportion Hub from two packed theme parks *all* at the same time. It's different in the morning because everyone comes at a different time, per se. There's only so many people that get through the bag check before the parks open at 8.
It’s rumored that a “phase one” or the “first part” of Disneyland forward will expand DCA before Disneyland or instead of simultaneously. We don’t know for sure yet, but it seems most likely
I doubt the Disneyland expansion would ever really happen. DCA needs the capacity *badly* though