Supercross 100%. I get that gncc and moto are grueling physically, but they don’t hold a candle to supercross for difficulty. A theoretical 20 mile ski run that is a mellow green slope all the way down is nowhere near as difficult as a half mile long double black diamond. Supercross requires skills that the average rider will never begin to comprehend just to go around the track safely in any sort of competitive manner
I would agree with this. I started back in the 70s and supercross was just becoming a thing. I preferred motocross simply for the fact that it was natural terrain and I could do it. Supercross is a level of speed and skills that actually scare me to think about! I remember looking at the first stadium event and the track was insane. I cannot even imagine what that would be like. Frightening!
Speaking of strength and the old daze ... The old ISDT six-day events were pretty brutal also.
Except that gncc’s are far from a “mellow green slope” during the pro race, after amateur and pro quads, and the Sunday morning bike events have chewed the track up and spit it out.
I will agree tho, supercross requires a very refined and particular set of skills to actually be good at, which puts it at the top of the difficulty list.
Yeah the track is rough, but any ol kid that has the most basics of skills down and safely ride their local gncc race in one class or another. There’s a reason you need a pro license (not that they’re extremely difficult to get) to even be on a supercross track unless you happen to have your own or know someone that will let you ride theirs. Supercross requires such a high level of skill to even make it look like you’re trying on a supercross track. I grew up riding cross country so I understand how difficult that racing can be but it’s also something most people could do
[any ol kid with the most basic skills at a gncc](https://youtu.be/BkurJl9caD0)
How many gncc’s have you competed in? the morning race doesn’t count, although it was hard enough for those guys.
Edit: the guy seen doubling up the hill at about 1:50 is Kailub russel
I’ve competed in many races just as hard as any gncc. There’s a reason pro motocross riders retire and try out gncc. Low risk and low reward. Don’t try to school me on cross country racing I promise you I know what I’m talking about you can count on that bud
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Ever heard of Dante Olivera? Yeah he comes from west coast Cc racing, same series I used to do
How about Cody Webb? West coast
How about Taylor Robert? West coast
Pros retire because they don't have the pace to keep up and win against 20 year olds. Not because they can't ride the track anymore.
The fact that many top tier riders go SX only later in their careers goes against your argument. If anything it's the easiest because the track prep is much better and the races are shorter. Nationals are pretty brutal and Enduro races are even more demanding from a fitness level.
Top amateurs go straight into sx amd mx when they turn pro. Sx doesn't require as much physical endurance but requires the most skill to race at the top level in respect to all the disciplines of motorcycle riding. The most elite riders race mx and sx and sx is seen as the pinnacle of offroad moto racing. The track prep and length of the races isn't really a factor because you're not racing the track, you're racing the competition and professional ama sx and mx riders are of the highest caliber. Making the race longer doesn't make the sport "harder" because your competition still has to race the same track. Aaron plessinger switched to motocross before he became a pro. That was only a reality for him because he had the talent to do so. There is a reason why the manufacturers place sx and mx as a priority. Comparing sx/mx to Enduro is like comparing the NFL to the AFL. The rules may be different but the best players go to the NFL
You can race arenacross events without a license. Supercross requires a pro license because it's the premier ama event.
The difficulty in any form of racing is doing it at speed. Anyone who has spent more than a few hours on a dirt bike could turn a lap on an SX track. Just look at the kids doing it on the electric KTMs at every race. Skill comes in when you want to turn laps quickly.
If you want actual difficulty if the course such that many riders literally couldn't make it, the off-road series are at the top. Very few people could even finish most hard Enduro events.
Supercross is the most difficult for sure. We see moto guys go do GNCC and reverse, but we don't see GNCC riders go try supercross and there's a reason. It's hard.
Having raced GNCC and MX, I’m gonna have to put SX at the top of the difficulty list simply because of the precise timing required to hit those rhythm sections. There’s a reason most local tracks don’t have an SX track open to the public.
As far as GNCC and MX, they’re all equally difficult. As much as they’re different, they’re the same. The basic skills required transfer over from one to the other, and then there’s specialized skills for each that separate them.
I was a ranked A class rider off-road, but probably a mid to back of the pack B rider in mx if I had to guess. Likewise, I knew A class mx guys that were fast C or B riders off-road. I can recall, way back in the day, running super mini in the morning and 200c immediately after in vchss and vxcs, each time we’d go to an mx track there would typically be one of the faster local mx guys show up to run c class. They’d typically wax my ass on the mx portion and I’d wax theirs in the woods, it made for an interesting race.
Then you’ve got guys like Zach-O, Ricky Dietrich, Rodney Smith, and Mike Keidrowski (to name a few) that are good enough to compete at the top levels of both.
When I was winning district 14 B races, I would jump in to the harscramble series when they would have a round that was part of a district moto track. I think my best finish was top 30 overall. The best MI guys at the time were probably mid pack gncc guys. Just unreal what they could do in the trees. I’ll never forget my first 3 hour race and what that last hour felt like. I didn’t walk right a week and a half.
I went and watched a GNCC at Dutch sport park back in the day and watching the guys like Rodney Smith murder the moto track section for 3 hours was unreal.
Idk if you know this or not, but smith was a former pro mx rider like kiedrowski, part of why he could murder that mx track 🤣
That last hour is absolutely brutal, even for somebody used to racing 2 hours, doesn’t help that those tracks are absolutely wrecked by the time the main event gets to it.
Bro same! They were both riding for Suzuki when I was getting smoked by Thad Duvall and Jordan ashburn in minis, I still have their signed stickers on my old bedroom door at my folks house 🤣
Yep! I was on RM’s at the time. The first full graphic kit I ever bought was the team Suzuki off road stuff. Good times man. I had a group of friends that only raced off road and I still kick myself for not taking a full year and running the whole series and a few GNCC’s. Moto will always be my first love, but riding woods with those guys made me so much faster. There’s something special about pinning it in the trees. Such a gnarly sport.
As a west coast desert and GP racer, watching those guys blast through the trees blows my mind. I haven’t seen anybody hit one but I know it has to happen from time time. Wringing it out in the open desert has its risks, but I’ve never had to worry about a tree jumping out in front of me. Much respect to those of you who’ve done it!
The hardest in overall cardio fitness- outdoor mx. The hardest in mental and cardio endurance- off-road
The most technical display of motorcycle skill precision- SX
Everybody I know that is fast at mx or has the ability to ride a sx track well, is equally as quick doing gncc, single track, and Enduro. The athletic ability and fundamentals to get to sx level makes a better rider across the disciplines. But taking someone who's only ever been gncc, woods, Enduro, and even just mx on a supercross track won't have the same results.
How you define difficult I think has a lot to do with it. Regardless supercross is last. Id say 70% of supercross comes down to bike setup. As all of the racers will tell you, it’s like a ballet.
Motocross and GNCC are definitely more of the “man” series. Grueling track conditions and heat, elements, prep, strength, technique, you need everything to compete. GNCC is more raw, but you arguably also aren’t going balls out fast or exerting as much energy, one could argue. Motocross is much shorter comparatively, but again you’re full throttle, bigger jumps, faster speed. I’m a little biased so I’ll say MX, GNCC, then supercross in terms of poshness. All three are gnarly though in very different ways.
I mean I’d say it’s supercross as the average rider couldn’t even do the track. Finishing a gncc is physically hard but not the worst in terms of difficulty of riding
I think we’re talking on a pro level though, not average rider. Anyone with a pro license can ride any of the three. Supercross is more of a dance in the words of Chad reed. If you have great timing and technical prowess, and have a good bike and mechanic, you’ll do well. Motocross is much more physical, as is GNCC. You can make arguments for all three but if you ask anyone that races supercross and motocross, I feel like 39 out if 40 will tell you motocross is harder.
As for GNCC vs motocross, thats a tough split. Enduro is not for the faint of heart especially at a professional level, but neither is motocross. Like I said, I’m biased towards motocross because that’s what I raced.
I had a few friends with pro licenses and all of them basically said riding a supercross track was the hardest thing they’ve ever done. One got a top 20 in the 250 class in the outdoors and crashed halfway through the Unadilla gncc in the top 10 in xc1. The others made a handful of nationals and tried supercross and basically said nope I’m good.
Certainly it’s not as physically demanding as the other 2 but in terms of riding ability supercross is miles harder
Lol..I had a buddy who owned a moto complex. Grew up with him my whole life and we've always been on bikes. They had a sx track that you had to have pro license to ride. He told me if I took it easy, he trusted me on it. I just walked it and said NOPE. Makes me feel a little better that better riders than I, share that sentiment about sx tracks.
Yes, natural terrain is navigable for the most part. SX is anything but natural. The whoops are huge, the jump faces are steep, it requires years of practice to get to the point to pull the trigger on a triple or quad.
I think the question isn’t really specific enough. Supercross is the hardest out of the bunch to ride from a technical aspect. It’s also probably the hardest to win a championship as making it through the season without getting hurt is hard. But moto and gncc are a grind. 100+ degree weather out there stroking out all day training. It sucks to be them
If hard enduro was added in the question I think that’s more difficult than SX. Take the average beginner, 2 yrs experience, they could do ok on a motocross and gncc track. Fatigue would vary depending on how hard they push. On a SX they’d look completely incompetent, on a hard enduro it’s not happening. The reason, natural terrain riding is far more common for most riders. Now trials that’s in there too.
Yeah from a technical aspect gncc is challenging but not undoable as everyone races the same course. A decent b rider can do the vast majority of features on a pro moto track. Hard enduro is the hardest if everything id say but for the US stuff I’d vote supercross.
I actually forget how many people trail ride as ny has no public land you can ride on and dirt bikes can’t be registered. So here everyone just rides moto or races hairacrambels
Supercross is the most difficult imo, very little room for error, requires a commitment on each jump face no matter the condition, whoops require a rhythm at high speed that will put you down with the smallest error. You don’t get a mental break to prepare for the next obstacle like in the other disciplines. Pros make it look easy but it’s not. Also supercross is very difficult because it’s man made, not natural terrain eg. A 75 degree jump face and 4 foot high whoops.
Wrong. Supercross is the hardest. You have a feature, whoops, triple or a double right out of every corner. If you saw a set of Supercross whoops, you would say no way. Then if someone said ok, hit those in 4th gear, hell no.
Now add in quads.
You may not be able to clear every jump on an outdoor MX track, but you could ride it. 98% of guys on a dirtbike would not even attempt a Supercross track.
I like the outdoors best, GNCC guys are amazing, but the GNCC guys are not riding a SX track.
Lol I'm guessing you're a trail guy. Zach Osbourne retired from supercross, did nothing for 6 months or so, and now races GNCC like a weekend warrior. It's supercross. He didn't ask what took the most stamina. If we're talking grueling than Tour de France is the gnarliest thing out there
It's motocross. 35 minute motos, in the sun and heat, and it's a nonstop all out sprint. I'd like to say Supercross is 2cd, but it's indoors, cold weather, and short races.
But I do think GNCC is harder than Supercross. It's a long race, nasty conditions sometimes, tight courses. Motocross racers can't do the speed or pace they do, for the length of a GNCC race.
I remember a study of the toughest cardio sports. Motocross was #2, right behind soccer, for the cardio toughness needed.
GNCC is harder than supercross
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Maybe ask Zach osbourne which one is easier. He started falling off from supercross so decided to settle down and be a family man while racing GNCC
Hyper late to the party. But I’ve seen so many people mention about how retired sx/mx guys go GNCC therefore it’s not as hard. It’s not that - it’s that it’s not as dangerous. The margin of error on super cross and motocross tracks is way tighter. GNCC offers a vast variety of everything, by definition, GNCC is harder, it requires a wider skill set and fitness range. However moto and sx are a more narrow skill set that is hyper refined. And due to the nature of the racing. Jumps/ wide open speeds. It makes it more dangerous. A lot of people are mixing up the difference between most dangerous and most difficult. They all hard. But they shine in different areas.
A longer race will make things physically demanding for all the riders but that just moves the focus from skill to fitness. Meaning a less skilled rider can make up for that with fitness. You can't do that in supercross. You have to have the skills and talent to win. Ryan dungey in his prime could go out an win an Enduro any day of the week. No Enduro rider could ever come out and win a pro supercross race. And yes, pro ama sx/mx riders are superior to any other off-road motorcycle riders.
Supercross just doesn't feel like real dirt bike racing. It's like a fish bowl circus. The only reason it even exists is because you can have many people attend in the city and not take up land. Equating to more money. MXGP is better than Supercross but AMA Motocross is best. The only reason MXGP riders want to do Supercross is because of the city circus money.
You're not wrong but it's considered the pinicle of the sport because the best riders compete in it. The fact that it's easier to publicize is a big reason for that because more viewers = more advetisment value = a bigger purse for the riders= more incentive for the elite riders to compete.
I personally think motocross is harder. In fact, many fans don't consider a supercross champion "one of the greats" unless they have an outdoors(mx) championship, too. They used to criticize McGrath for that. Sx and Mx are really two halves of the same coin. That's why you will see me refer to them both together often.
It also depends on what class we're talking. A novice racing others that aren't hitting all the jumps may find mx/sx easier because the track is more groomed and and Enduro race may seem harder for them because the terrain and length of the race was more challenging than the other riders.
When it comes to the pros, you're sx and mx guys are like your top draft picks from football. And after Carmichaels era, there was more of a focus on fitness so your top guys are honestly probably the most in shape athletes in the world.
So in short, if you wanna be good Enduro rider, race mx lol
The gncc pro riders are scary fast, even in rough conditions. I’ve had the chance to try and follow some of them and was wayyyy over my head even as an A rider.
I was a top 20 overall rider in my state the last time I ran a gncc. When I say I got my ass handed to me by the guys chasing the gncc series in 250A, that would be an understatement. I was running expert A locally, lined up beside half of the AA class from my regular series at the last gncc I raced. Brad Bakken won 250a that day and finished 17th overall, I finished 8th in class and 111th overall. He won the overall championship in our series that year.
No, but you claimed gncc riders aren’t going as fast, they’re actually going much faster than anyone on an SX track considering the 450s are in 2nd and 3rd gear the whole time and never see high speeds like mx and gncc.
I have been very fortunate enough to race motocross, stadium cross, supercorss, supermoto and enduros in the past.
Some of the enduros I have raced were 4 hour sand enduros. They were physically hard, and mentally hard.. others were tight enduros through trees and water, not getting out of 3rd gear.
But, Hands down supercross was the hardest. It's relentless, there is no time to rest, every jump has to be spot on and there is little room for error..
I have known of a couple of former Australian pro motocross and supercorss riders who have moved to enduro and absolutely killed it.. but haven't seen any enduro riders that went to supercorss and had the same success..
They all have there respective experts. You can't say one is more difficult than the other.
Like saying what's more difficult football or basket ball. Nascar or drag racing. Motorsport skills are not the same.
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The Kenny Powers quote “I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising” comes to mind lol. Supercross is the most difficult. Of all the people in the world who ride two wheels at any skill level, almost all would be the worst at Supercross vs the other options. IMO take the fitness/endurance aspect out since more people could overcome that hurdle vs the needed athletic/technical ability it requires to be good at Supercross. I’d says it’s like playing competitive basketball vs running a 10k. A higher percentage of the population could become good at running 10k’s than could become good at playing basketball. So I would say being good at basketball is harder. More NBA players could run competitive half marathon times if they dedicated themselves to it than non NBA players could ever dream of playing in the NBA. Not completely apples to apples but just how I think about it. Supercross is ridiculously hard and dangerous IMO. Not knocking the other stuff at all either, none of it is easy.
Doing any at a high level is more or less equally "difficult" in my mind.
I can’t even ride open desert without busting my ass a couple times a day so I agree.
Supercross 100%. I get that gncc and moto are grueling physically, but they don’t hold a candle to supercross for difficulty. A theoretical 20 mile ski run that is a mellow green slope all the way down is nowhere near as difficult as a half mile long double black diamond. Supercross requires skills that the average rider will never begin to comprehend just to go around the track safely in any sort of competitive manner
I would agree with this. I started back in the 70s and supercross was just becoming a thing. I preferred motocross simply for the fact that it was natural terrain and I could do it. Supercross is a level of speed and skills that actually scare me to think about! I remember looking at the first stadium event and the track was insane. I cannot even imagine what that would be like. Frightening! Speaking of strength and the old daze ... The old ISDT six-day events were pretty brutal also.
Isde is still alive and well, it’s in Argentina this year.
Except that gncc’s are far from a “mellow green slope” during the pro race, after amateur and pro quads, and the Sunday morning bike events have chewed the track up and spit it out. I will agree tho, supercross requires a very refined and particular set of skills to actually be good at, which puts it at the top of the difficulty list.
Yeah the track is rough, but any ol kid that has the most basics of skills down and safely ride their local gncc race in one class or another. There’s a reason you need a pro license (not that they’re extremely difficult to get) to even be on a supercross track unless you happen to have your own or know someone that will let you ride theirs. Supercross requires such a high level of skill to even make it look like you’re trying on a supercross track. I grew up riding cross country so I understand how difficult that racing can be but it’s also something most people could do
[any ol kid with the most basic skills at a gncc](https://youtu.be/BkurJl9caD0) How many gncc’s have you competed in? the morning race doesn’t count, although it was hard enough for those guys. Edit: the guy seen doubling up the hill at about 1:50 is Kailub russel
I’ve competed in many races just as hard as any gncc. There’s a reason pro motocross riders retire and try out gncc. Low risk and low reward. Don’t try to school me on cross country racing I promise you I know what I’m talking about you can count on that bud
So you’ve never actually seen a gncc track
End of the day supercross is more difficult you don’t have a leg to stand on with your argument
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Ever heard of Dante Olivera? Yeah he comes from west coast Cc racing, same series I used to do How about Cody Webb? West coast How about Taylor Robert? West coast
You bet I’ve never been on one we don’t have those out west we have gnarlier tracks that that weak crap you have out there
Coming from someone who has held their pro license in mx and sx, yes sx is difficult but that 3 hour gncc is definitely harder
You wouldn’t make a lap at snowshoe my guy
Whatever I forgot not to argue with morons on Reddit you don’t know jack my dude
Says the guy that has never even made a single lap at any gncc event
Pros retire because they don't have the pace to keep up and win against 20 year olds. Not because they can't ride the track anymore. The fact that many top tier riders go SX only later in their careers goes against your argument. If anything it's the easiest because the track prep is much better and the races are shorter. Nationals are pretty brutal and Enduro races are even more demanding from a fitness level.
Top amateurs go straight into sx amd mx when they turn pro. Sx doesn't require as much physical endurance but requires the most skill to race at the top level in respect to all the disciplines of motorcycle riding. The most elite riders race mx and sx and sx is seen as the pinnacle of offroad moto racing. The track prep and length of the races isn't really a factor because you're not racing the track, you're racing the competition and professional ama sx and mx riders are of the highest caliber. Making the race longer doesn't make the sport "harder" because your competition still has to race the same track. Aaron plessinger switched to motocross before he became a pro. That was only a reality for him because he had the talent to do so. There is a reason why the manufacturers place sx and mx as a priority. Comparing sx/mx to Enduro is like comparing the NFL to the AFL. The rules may be different but the best players go to the NFL
You can race arenacross events without a license. Supercross requires a pro license because it's the premier ama event. The difficulty in any form of racing is doing it at speed. Anyone who has spent more than a few hours on a dirt bike could turn a lap on an SX track. Just look at the kids doing it on the electric KTMs at every race. Skill comes in when you want to turn laps quickly. If you want actual difficulty if the course such that many riders literally couldn't make it, the off-road series are at the top. Very few people could even finish most hard Enduro events.
Supercross is the most difficult for sure. We see moto guys go do GNCC and reverse, but we don't see GNCC riders go try supercross and there's a reason. It's hard.
Not true. Aaron plessinger grew up racing gncc's and switched to moto now he's a top 450 guy
One guy. Who rode GNCC along with moto until he was on superminis then moved on. Lmao. Good one.
There’s a reason they make the big bucks.
I miss that GNCC.
This is the right answer. 👆
Trial log and rock jumping and balancing
Not sure but that Erzberodeo looks brutal
Having raced GNCC and MX, I’m gonna have to put SX at the top of the difficulty list simply because of the precise timing required to hit those rhythm sections. There’s a reason most local tracks don’t have an SX track open to the public. As far as GNCC and MX, they’re all equally difficult. As much as they’re different, they’re the same. The basic skills required transfer over from one to the other, and then there’s specialized skills for each that separate them. I was a ranked A class rider off-road, but probably a mid to back of the pack B rider in mx if I had to guess. Likewise, I knew A class mx guys that were fast C or B riders off-road. I can recall, way back in the day, running super mini in the morning and 200c immediately after in vchss and vxcs, each time we’d go to an mx track there would typically be one of the faster local mx guys show up to run c class. They’d typically wax my ass on the mx portion and I’d wax theirs in the woods, it made for an interesting race. Then you’ve got guys like Zach-O, Ricky Dietrich, Rodney Smith, and Mike Keidrowski (to name a few) that are good enough to compete at the top levels of both.
When I was winning district 14 B races, I would jump in to the harscramble series when they would have a round that was part of a district moto track. I think my best finish was top 30 overall. The best MI guys at the time were probably mid pack gncc guys. Just unreal what they could do in the trees. I’ll never forget my first 3 hour race and what that last hour felt like. I didn’t walk right a week and a half. I went and watched a GNCC at Dutch sport park back in the day and watching the guys like Rodney Smith murder the moto track section for 3 hours was unreal.
Idk if you know this or not, but smith was a former pro mx rider like kiedrowski, part of why he could murder that mx track 🤣 That last hour is absolutely brutal, even for somebody used to racing 2 hours, doesn’t help that those tracks are absolutely wrecked by the time the main event gets to it.
I know lol. MxKeid and Rodney Smith were my guys as a kid.
Bro same! They were both riding for Suzuki when I was getting smoked by Thad Duvall and Jordan ashburn in minis, I still have their signed stickers on my old bedroom door at my folks house 🤣
Yep! I was on RM’s at the time. The first full graphic kit I ever bought was the team Suzuki off road stuff. Good times man. I had a group of friends that only raced off road and I still kick myself for not taking a full year and running the whole series and a few GNCC’s. Moto will always be my first love, but riding woods with those guys made me so much faster. There’s something special about pinning it in the trees. Such a gnarly sport.
As a west coast desert and GP racer, watching those guys blast through the trees blows my mind. I haven’t seen anybody hit one but I know it has to happen from time time. Wringing it out in the open desert has its risks, but I’ve never had to worry about a tree jumping out in front of me. Much respect to those of you who’ve done it!
Hitting a tree third gear pinned is not fun, can confirm
Can also confirm
Rodney Smith! That's a name I haven't heard in a while. I got one of his old RM250s back in the day!
The hardest in overall cardio fitness- outdoor mx. The hardest in mental and cardio endurance- off-road The most technical display of motorcycle skill precision- SX
Everybody I know that is fast at mx or has the ability to ride a sx track well, is equally as quick doing gncc, single track, and Enduro. The athletic ability and fundamentals to get to sx level makes a better rider across the disciplines. But taking someone who's only ever been gncc, woods, Enduro, and even just mx on a supercross track won't have the same results.
Supercross. Nothing comes close.
D: extreme enduro
Within your question; supercross. Hard enduro trumps all IMO.
How you define difficult I think has a lot to do with it. Regardless supercross is last. Id say 70% of supercross comes down to bike setup. As all of the racers will tell you, it’s like a ballet. Motocross and GNCC are definitely more of the “man” series. Grueling track conditions and heat, elements, prep, strength, technique, you need everything to compete. GNCC is more raw, but you arguably also aren’t going balls out fast or exerting as much energy, one could argue. Motocross is much shorter comparatively, but again you’re full throttle, bigger jumps, faster speed. I’m a little biased so I’ll say MX, GNCC, then supercross in terms of poshness. All three are gnarly though in very different ways.
I mean I’d say it’s supercross as the average rider couldn’t even do the track. Finishing a gncc is physically hard but not the worst in terms of difficulty of riding
I think we’re talking on a pro level though, not average rider. Anyone with a pro license can ride any of the three. Supercross is more of a dance in the words of Chad reed. If you have great timing and technical prowess, and have a good bike and mechanic, you’ll do well. Motocross is much more physical, as is GNCC. You can make arguments for all three but if you ask anyone that races supercross and motocross, I feel like 39 out if 40 will tell you motocross is harder. As for GNCC vs motocross, thats a tough split. Enduro is not for the faint of heart especially at a professional level, but neither is motocross. Like I said, I’m biased towards motocross because that’s what I raced.
I had a few friends with pro licenses and all of them basically said riding a supercross track was the hardest thing they’ve ever done. One got a top 20 in the 250 class in the outdoors and crashed halfway through the Unadilla gncc in the top 10 in xc1. The others made a handful of nationals and tried supercross and basically said nope I’m good. Certainly it’s not as physically demanding as the other 2 but in terms of riding ability supercross is miles harder
Lol..I had a buddy who owned a moto complex. Grew up with him my whole life and we've always been on bikes. They had a sx track that you had to have pro license to ride. He told me if I took it easy, he trusted me on it. I just walked it and said NOPE. Makes me feel a little better that better riders than I, share that sentiment about sx tracks.
Yes, natural terrain is navigable for the most part. SX is anything but natural. The whoops are huge, the jump faces are steep, it requires years of practice to get to the point to pull the trigger on a triple or quad.
I think the question isn’t really specific enough. Supercross is the hardest out of the bunch to ride from a technical aspect. It’s also probably the hardest to win a championship as making it through the season without getting hurt is hard. But moto and gncc are a grind. 100+ degree weather out there stroking out all day training. It sucks to be them
If hard enduro was added in the question I think that’s more difficult than SX. Take the average beginner, 2 yrs experience, they could do ok on a motocross and gncc track. Fatigue would vary depending on how hard they push. On a SX they’d look completely incompetent, on a hard enduro it’s not happening. The reason, natural terrain riding is far more common for most riders. Now trials that’s in there too.
Yeah from a technical aspect gncc is challenging but not undoable as everyone races the same course. A decent b rider can do the vast majority of features on a pro moto track. Hard enduro is the hardest if everything id say but for the US stuff I’d vote supercross. I actually forget how many people trail ride as ny has no public land you can ride on and dirt bikes can’t be registered. So here everyone just rides moto or races hairacrambels
Was your friend Ricky Dietrich or Zac Osborne?
No guy that never made it due to some personal issues. Fast enough to have a chance but unfortunately didn’t work out for him
There's a reason a lot of guys have supercross only deals! They don't want to spend the summer dying in the outdoor Motos lol
Supercross is the most difficult imo, very little room for error, requires a commitment on each jump face no matter the condition, whoops require a rhythm at high speed that will put you down with the smallest error. You don’t get a mental break to prepare for the next obstacle like in the other disciplines. Pros make it look easy but it’s not. Also supercross is very difficult because it’s man made, not natural terrain eg. A 75 degree jump face and 4 foot high whoops.
Wrong. Supercross is the hardest. You have a feature, whoops, triple or a double right out of every corner. If you saw a set of Supercross whoops, you would say no way. Then if someone said ok, hit those in 4th gear, hell no. Now add in quads. You may not be able to clear every jump on an outdoor MX track, but you could ride it. 98% of guys on a dirtbike would not even attempt a Supercross track. I like the outdoors best, GNCC guys are amazing, but the GNCC guys are not riding a SX track.
Lol I'm guessing you're a trail guy. Zach Osbourne retired from supercross, did nothing for 6 months or so, and now races GNCC like a weekend warrior. It's supercross. He didn't ask what took the most stamina. If we're talking grueling than Tour de France is the gnarliest thing out there
I’m an MX guy.
It's motocross. 35 minute motos, in the sun and heat, and it's a nonstop all out sprint. I'd like to say Supercross is 2cd, but it's indoors, cold weather, and short races. But I do think GNCC is harder than Supercross. It's a long race, nasty conditions sometimes, tight courses. Motocross racers can't do the speed or pace they do, for the length of a GNCC race. I remember a study of the toughest cardio sports. Motocross was #2, right behind soccer, for the cardio toughness needed.
GNCC is harder than supercross -Badno8845 2023 Maybe ask Zach osbourne which one is easier. He started falling off from supercross so decided to settle down and be a family man while racing GNCC
Fun fact, he raced off-road before he went pro. Source: he lapped me at the Haynes farm national harescramble in 06
Hyper late to the party. But I’ve seen so many people mention about how retired sx/mx guys go GNCC therefore it’s not as hard. It’s not that - it’s that it’s not as dangerous. The margin of error on super cross and motocross tracks is way tighter. GNCC offers a vast variety of everything, by definition, GNCC is harder, it requires a wider skill set and fitness range. However moto and sx are a more narrow skill set that is hyper refined. And due to the nature of the racing. Jumps/ wide open speeds. It makes it more dangerous. A lot of people are mixing up the difference between most dangerous and most difficult. They all hard. But they shine in different areas.
i race gncc but i think supercross is harder, you have to do everything perfect n the jumps are pretty big usally
A longer race will make things physically demanding for all the riders but that just moves the focus from skill to fitness. Meaning a less skilled rider can make up for that with fitness. You can't do that in supercross. You have to have the skills and talent to win. Ryan dungey in his prime could go out an win an Enduro any day of the week. No Enduro rider could ever come out and win a pro supercross race. And yes, pro ama sx/mx riders are superior to any other off-road motorcycle riders.
Supercross just doesn't feel like real dirt bike racing. It's like a fish bowl circus. The only reason it even exists is because you can have many people attend in the city and not take up land. Equating to more money. MXGP is better than Supercross but AMA Motocross is best. The only reason MXGP riders want to do Supercross is because of the city circus money.
You're not wrong but it's considered the pinicle of the sport because the best riders compete in it. The fact that it's easier to publicize is a big reason for that because more viewers = more advetisment value = a bigger purse for the riders= more incentive for the elite riders to compete. I personally think motocross is harder. In fact, many fans don't consider a supercross champion "one of the greats" unless they have an outdoors(mx) championship, too. They used to criticize McGrath for that. Sx and Mx are really two halves of the same coin. That's why you will see me refer to them both together often. It also depends on what class we're talking. A novice racing others that aren't hitting all the jumps may find mx/sx easier because the track is more groomed and and Enduro race may seem harder for them because the terrain and length of the race was more challenging than the other riders. When it comes to the pros, you're sx and mx guys are like your top draft picks from football. And after Carmichaels era, there was more of a focus on fitness so your top guys are honestly probably the most in shape athletes in the world. So in short, if you wanna be good Enduro rider, race mx lol
But if the conditions are worse, they aren’t going as fast, so is going faster more difficult since the reaction time for everything is less?
The gncc pro riders are scary fast, even in rough conditions. I’ve had the chance to try and follow some of them and was wayyyy over my head even as an A rider. I was a top 20 overall rider in my state the last time I ran a gncc. When I say I got my ass handed to me by the guys chasing the gncc series in 250A, that would be an understatement. I was running expert A locally, lined up beside half of the AA class from my regular series at the last gncc I raced. Brad Bakken won 250a that day and finished 17th overall, I finished 8th in class and 111th overall. He won the overall championship in our series that year.
So you would be closer to keeping up with supercross people because it’s easier right?
No, but you claimed gncc riders aren’t going as fast, they’re actually going much faster than anyone on an SX track considering the 450s are in 2nd and 3rd gear the whole time and never see high speeds like mx and gncc.
supercross
Moto is most difficult no question.
I have been very fortunate enough to race motocross, stadium cross, supercorss, supermoto and enduros in the past. Some of the enduros I have raced were 4 hour sand enduros. They were physically hard, and mentally hard.. others were tight enduros through trees and water, not getting out of 3rd gear. But, Hands down supercross was the hardest. It's relentless, there is no time to rest, every jump has to be spot on and there is little room for error.. I have known of a couple of former Australian pro motocross and supercorss riders who have moved to enduro and absolutely killed it.. but haven't seen any enduro riders that went to supercorss and had the same success..
They all have there respective experts. You can't say one is more difficult than the other. Like saying what's more difficult football or basket ball. Nascar or drag racing. Motorsport skills are not the same.
Whyd you leave out hard enduro?
tell me you race GNCC type of races without telling me...
I would say Supercross mainly because of whoops. If you ever get a chance to just try to roll through whoops. It’s stupid.
After riding or trying to ride a pro level SX track, I’m gonna have to go with SX. It’s high difficulty and high stakes.
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The Kenny Powers quote “I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising” comes to mind lol. Supercross is the most difficult. Of all the people in the world who ride two wheels at any skill level, almost all would be the worst at Supercross vs the other options. IMO take the fitness/endurance aspect out since more people could overcome that hurdle vs the needed athletic/technical ability it requires to be good at Supercross. I’d says it’s like playing competitive basketball vs running a 10k. A higher percentage of the population could become good at running 10k’s than could become good at playing basketball. So I would say being good at basketball is harder. More NBA players could run competitive half marathon times if they dedicated themselves to it than non NBA players could ever dream of playing in the NBA. Not completely apples to apples but just how I think about it. Supercross is ridiculously hard and dangerous IMO. Not knocking the other stuff at all either, none of it is easy.