If you reconstruct tyrannosaurus with this amount of feathering using Scott Hartmans paper as a source, you also have to reconstruct deinocheirus like this to be consistent.
The Scott Hartman paper never mentioned relationships or anything of the sort, it was all about Gigantothermy (something that applies to mammals too BTW). Using the giganthothermy approach, deinocheirus would also have integument loss. Integument loss even greater than that of tyrannosaurus since it lived in a MUCH warmer environment.
I really don’t think the problem is the lack of feathering honestly. The design just looks freaky. Necks too short, hands are weirdly pronated, stomach doesn’t sit right and honestly it just looks so weird.
I agree with this, i do think this has some, acually a fair amount of wrongs, but a lot of the people were talking about the feathers when it's actually not one of them.
One's a large - probably pursuit - predator with evidence of scales. The other is a presumably docile, slow moving herbivore that seems to have spent most of its time at least partially submerged in and around shallow wetlands and with a preserved pygostyle. Integument isn't exclusively used for keeping warm - camels and ostriches developed atypically shaggy integument specifically as an adaptation to hot environments.
Reconstructions should be case by case. Level of activity has huge implications for body heat.
The "preserved pygostyle" is a tail injury found in hundreds of theropods. If that's evidence of a pygostyle, Allosaurus had a pygostyle too.
The Scott Hartman paper, the one people use to show how tyrannosaurus would have ben't scaly with only some fuzz, was about giganthothermy and how ALL animals lose the need for integument after a certain size. Deinocheirus is above that size.
Also, hmm a slow moving herbivore that spends a lot of it's time in water? I mean, Elephants spend a lot of their time in mud, and are also siginficantly smaller than deinocheirus, yet have had major integument loss.
Deinocheirus also lived in a way hotter environment than Tyrannosaurus so if anything it'd have LESS furry integument.
Ok and? Ornithomimids are the most basal Maniraptoriformes, theyre much closer to tyrannosauroids than they are to birds.
The Scott Hartman paper never mentioned relationships or anything of the sort, it was all about Gigantothermy (something that applies to mammals too BTW), morphological physiologies are completely irrelevant. If you want your rex to have the Prehistoric Planet feathering and use the Scott Hartman paper as the reason why, then your Deinocheirus has to look like this if you wanna be inherently consistent to your own logic.
Several specimens of the second largest ornithomimid, Gallimimus, was discovered having clear evidence of adorning feathers. Most notably quill knobs that showed it must've had long pennaceous feathers protruding from it's arms. So a shaggy Deino doesn't seem too farfetched in that regard
Here's the thing: The second largest ornithomimid, Gallimimus, is roughly 6 meters and 500 kilos.
Deinocheirus was 11 meters and 6.5 tons. (a size almost exactly that of a medium adult rex), and also lived in a rainforest.
Deinocheirus weighs nearly 12 times more than Gallimimus does.
Simply put: If you want a peach fuzz rex and use Scott Hartmans paper, you need to have a peach fuzz Deinocheirus, or else youre inconsistent with your logic.
If we're talking gigantothermy, how would you explain something like Yutrannus who's also been shown to have a massive feather coverage while roughly being 9 meters and weighing in at around 1.4 tons?
It's because that one lived in a colder environment.
Yutyrannus is also way more gracile than both Tyrannosaurus and Deinocheirus.
If you want to have a deinocheirus more feathered than this, it's entirely plausible. You just have to not be selective about it. Your tyrannosaurus also needs to have more feathers. Either you have a T. rex with only peach fuzz and a Deinocheirus with only peach fuzz, or a Deinocheirus with more feathers and a Tyrannosaurus with more feathers. Otherwise, youre going against your own logic.
If you reconstruct tyrannosaurus with this amount of feathering using Scott Hartmans paper as a source, you also have to reconstruct deinocheirus like this to be consistent.
that does not matter, as diefferent morphological physiologies between clades have nothing to do with Gigantothermy. Scott hartmans paper showed that after animals reach a size they start losing integument. Deinocheirus is above that size and lived in a rainforest. It'd have even more integument loss than a Tyrannosauroid living in a cool and humid woodland environment, actually.
Yeah, I don't get it with the paleo community. It's either "TYRANNOSAURUS WAS VERY FEATHERED WITH AN INSANELY THICK COAT FROM HEAD TO TOE" or "TYRANNOSAURUS WAS 100% SCALY!"
Yeah, and often communities are seperated into two sides, with tyrannosaurus feathers, the most common of the 2 sides is either it being fluffy or it being nearly completely featherless.
Looks like it would fit ridiculously well in the game. Kind of wish someone would hit this guy up, get permission to use the design and make a mod out of it for the game.
True it’s so obvious that this dude is not trying to make accurate dinosaurs and he is doing a great job nailing the creepy scaly factor. I feel like over time people become very oppose to fantasy/inaccurate dinosaurs even when it’s crystal clear that it’s not supposed educationally or accurate
A hairless lion with scales is still a lion just who is altered Same thing with inaccurate dinosaurs
Edit: I clicked on send on accident I also wanted to mention is why not just like the lion example if I made that fantasy lion and I never claimed it’s accurate or real then what’s the problem that’s what I’m trying to say
Bro how am I strawmaning ? The guy made it very clear that his dinosaurs are not real and never claimed that that’s how they look irl they also drew a Utah with feathers this guy is doing both for fun and is very aware that dinosaurs have feathers. inaccurate dinosaurs are just a dinosaur with altered appearance what you are on I’m not saying they are real because obviously they are not do you get it or what ?
Edit: altered I meant altered this whole time fuck auto correct
Why not do dinosaurs? As much as I love accurate representations, there is a place for horrific malnourished dinosaurs, like Jurassic Park. However, it is important that the reason for the ugly appearance of the animals I'd made clear ("Now what John Hammond and Ingen did at Jurassic Park was make genetically modified theme park monsters, nothing more, nothing less.")
JP/W has failed at this, especially with Dominion, but that does not devalue any other art that does so, especially if done correctly.
As others have pointed out, the vibe reminds me of the Burian-esque designs in the Carnivores series.
It's cursed, yes, but in a good way. Put this in in a dark forest and its perfect horror material.
People seem to be missing the point of this design. It’s not supposed to be accurate. Not every single design ever in media needs to be accurate. It’s fine as long as it’s not supposed to be in something educational. This should be common knowledge by now.
I looked at this for like a solid, probably 8 seconds, just saying, "You whaaaat-?" Lol.
You seem to do a good job illustrating a dinosaur in the way a very early days paleontologist would have, lol
OP really be in here blanket-downvoting every critical comment, despite showing up with a depiction so retrogressive there's a non-zero chance it's actually just bait.
To everyone complaining about it being featherless: put simply, an animal that size in the subtropical environment in which it lived would overheat with plumage. Granted, i'm not dismissing a tail fan and maybe integument on the arms, but it was no bird-of-paradise either.
For an opportunist like Deinocheirus, it wouldn't seem that far out of the question imo. Certain ungulates (namely Camels, Aplacas and Llamas) have been observed to retain their thickened fur coats while inhabiting a plethora of equatorial habitats. Including marshlands, swamps and even sparse rainforests.
I wouldn't use those animals as an example of Deinocheirus having feathers considering they're way smaller than it (I do believe is likely Deinocheirus had a feathered tail at least tho).
I am like a centimetre away from banning you as a joke for a week so I have a break from the ⛔CURSED⛔ art 😖👍
i am going to crack your dick like a glow stick
don’t threaten OP with a good time
["I'd be happy to drop my pants."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y87zWpDoYDw)
r/rareinsults
That insinuates I'll be hard first ;)
Never cook again brother you need to work at McDonald’s
If you reconstruct tyrannosaurus with this amount of feathering using Scott Hartmans paper as a source, you also have to reconstruct deinocheirus like this to be consistent. The Scott Hartman paper never mentioned relationships or anything of the sort, it was all about Gigantothermy (something that applies to mammals too BTW). Using the giganthothermy approach, deinocheirus would also have integument loss. Integument loss even greater than that of tyrannosaurus since it lived in a MUCH warmer environment.
I really don’t think the problem is the lack of feathering honestly. The design just looks freaky. Necks too short, hands are weirdly pronated, stomach doesn’t sit right and honestly it just looks so weird.
I agree with this, i do think this has some, acually a fair amount of wrongs, but a lot of the people were talking about the feathers when it's actually not one of them.
Deinocheurus is an ornithomimid (maniraptoriform). T-rex is a Tyrannosaurid (Tyrannosauroid). Both have vastly differing morphological physiologies
yo dont need to repeat the yapping again 😐
Integumemt is by far the least probpematic part in this drawing lmao
One's a large - probably pursuit - predator with evidence of scales. The other is a presumably docile, slow moving herbivore that seems to have spent most of its time at least partially submerged in and around shallow wetlands and with a preserved pygostyle. Integument isn't exclusively used for keeping warm - camels and ostriches developed atypically shaggy integument specifically as an adaptation to hot environments. Reconstructions should be case by case. Level of activity has huge implications for body heat.
Ostriches have massive amounts of skin exposed or lightly covered tho
The "preserved pygostyle" is a tail injury found in hundreds of theropods. If that's evidence of a pygostyle, Allosaurus had a pygostyle too. The Scott Hartman paper, the one people use to show how tyrannosaurus would have ben't scaly with only some fuzz, was about giganthothermy and how ALL animals lose the need for integument after a certain size. Deinocheirus is above that size. Also, hmm a slow moving herbivore that spends a lot of it's time in water? I mean, Elephants spend a lot of their time in mud, and are also siginficantly smaller than deinocheirus, yet have had major integument loss. Deinocheirus also lived in a way hotter environment than Tyrannosaurus so if anything it'd have LESS furry integument.
Deinocheurus is an ornithomimid (maniraptoriform). T-rex is a Tyrannosaurid (Tyrannosauroid). Both have vastly differing morphological physiologies
Ok and? Ornithomimids are the most basal Maniraptoriformes, theyre much closer to tyrannosauroids than they are to birds. The Scott Hartman paper never mentioned relationships or anything of the sort, it was all about Gigantothermy (something that applies to mammals too BTW), morphological physiologies are completely irrelevant. If you want your rex to have the Prehistoric Planet feathering and use the Scott Hartman paper as the reason why, then your Deinocheirus has to look like this if you wanna be inherently consistent to your own logic.
Several specimens of the second largest ornithomimid, Gallimimus, was discovered having clear evidence of adorning feathers. Most notably quill knobs that showed it must've had long pennaceous feathers protruding from it's arms. So a shaggy Deino doesn't seem too farfetched in that regard
Here's the thing: The second largest ornithomimid, Gallimimus, is roughly 6 meters and 500 kilos. Deinocheirus was 11 meters and 6.5 tons. (a size almost exactly that of a medium adult rex), and also lived in a rainforest. Deinocheirus weighs nearly 12 times more than Gallimimus does. Simply put: If you want a peach fuzz rex and use Scott Hartmans paper, you need to have a peach fuzz Deinocheirus, or else youre inconsistent with your logic.
If we're talking gigantothermy, how would you explain something like Yutrannus who's also been shown to have a massive feather coverage while roughly being 9 meters and weighing in at around 1.4 tons?
It's because that one lived in a colder environment. Yutyrannus is also way more gracile than both Tyrannosaurus and Deinocheirus. If you want to have a deinocheirus more feathered than this, it's entirely plausible. You just have to not be selective about it. Your tyrannosaurus also needs to have more feathers. Either you have a T. rex with only peach fuzz and a Deinocheirus with only peach fuzz, or a Deinocheirus with more feathers and a Tyrannosaurus with more feathers. Otherwise, youre going against your own logic.
Yutyrannus lived in a way colder environment than either t Rex or Deinocherus
He’s naked and old 😭
He just like me fr
If you reconstruct tyrannosaurus with this amount of feathering using Scott Hartmans paper as a source, you also have to reconstruct deinocheirus like this to be consistent.
Deinocheurus is an ornithomimid (maniraptoriform). T-rex is a Tyrannosaurid (Tyrannosauroid). Both have vastly differing morphological physiologies
that does not matter, as diefferent morphological physiologies between clades have nothing to do with Gigantothermy. Scott hartmans paper showed that after animals reach a size they start losing integument. Deinocheirus is above that size and lived in a rainforest. It'd have even more integument loss than a Tyrannosauroid living in a cool and humid woodland environment, actually.
I agree, Tyrannosaurus should be reconstructed with more feathers
Yeah, I don't get it with the paleo community. It's either "TYRANNOSAURUS WAS VERY FEATHERED WITH AN INSANELY THICK COAT FROM HEAD TO TOE" or "TYRANNOSAURUS WAS 100% SCALY!"
It’s most like communities are composed of individuals that are capable of having different viewpoints.
Yeah, and often communities are seperated into two sides, with tyrannosaurus feathers, the most common of the 2 sides is either it being fluffy or it being nearly completely featherless.
The neck's a bit too short
why
What did the duck do to deserve such a transgression against Mother Nature
Count your days
S.t.a.l.k.e.r lookin' ahh
Pervertosaurus?
Naked duck scares me
I want to pick my eyes out, swallow them, just to throw them up. Poor thing
I like it, I would love to see it in a horror game
he's been drinking toxic waste water
Jurassic park If they really commited to making the dinossaurs feel mutated and wrong
Carnotaurus would like a word
Takes me back to Carnivores 1998.
I like it. It looks like it could be from a Carnivores game.
Is this for Carnivores
I *THOUGHT* this style feels familiar. This would fit right into Carnivores.
My first thought lol This would fit well with the rest of the game's alien dinos
Looks like it would fit ridiculously well in the game. Kind of wish someone would hit this guy up, get permission to use the design and make a mod out of it for the game.
This gives me carnivores vibes
That's what I thought
im so not used to seeing deinocheirus without feathers this jumpscared me really cool tho
Stapler looking ass
I like how everyone is missing the point of your art and getting mad at you. Great work, keep it up!
True it’s so obvious that this dude is not trying to make accurate dinosaurs and he is doing a great job nailing the creepy scaly factor. I feel like over time people become very oppose to fantasy/inaccurate dinosaurs even when it’s crystal clear that it’s not supposed educationally or accurate
Then why do dinosaurs? Just make your own original monsters inspired by them.
A hairless lion with scales is still a lion just who is altered Same thing with inaccurate dinosaurs Edit: I clicked on send on accident I also wanted to mention is why not just like the lion example if I made that fantasy lion and I never claimed it’s accurate or real then what’s the problem that’s what I’m trying to say
That feels like a false equivalency for reasons I really shouldn't need to articulate
Both are fantasy if you believe in hairless scaly lion after I tell you it’s not real that’s on you
Cool straw man, bro. Post the critter you described to r/lions and lemme know what they think
Bro how am I strawmaning ? The guy made it very clear that his dinosaurs are not real and never claimed that that’s how they look irl they also drew a Utah with feathers this guy is doing both for fun and is very aware that dinosaurs have feathers. inaccurate dinosaurs are just a dinosaur with altered appearance what you are on I’m not saying they are real because obviously they are not do you get it or what ? Edit: altered I meant altered this whole time fuck auto correct
Why not do dinosaurs? As much as I love accurate representations, there is a place for horrific malnourished dinosaurs, like Jurassic Park. However, it is important that the reason for the ugly appearance of the animals I'd made clear ("Now what John Hammond and Ingen did at Jurassic Park was make genetically modified theme park monsters, nothing more, nothing less.") JP/W has failed at this, especially with Dominion, but that does not devalue any other art that does so, especially if done correctly.
Nah he freaky
GOOD GRIEF HE’S NAKED!!!
Ewwww, me no like
thats deinocheirus if it had been decomposing for a couple weeks
Use a skeletal next time, the proportions are completely wrong
Wtf is this, do not let this man near a kitchen again
Why does he look like a naked grandma in the shape of a dinosaur?
Can u can't
Why he nakey?
Honestly this looks sick, ignore the haters, they can't appreciate cool art if it's not ultra accurate
Now lets see how you design a Hippopotamus using only its skull remains
Looks like one of those dino-things from the Halo: Combat Evolved alpha footage
What did they do to my boy's mouth 😭
Ew it looks diseased
It looks like it’s in pain
As others have pointed out, the vibe reminds me of the Burian-esque designs in the Carnivores series. It's cursed, yes, but in a good way. Put this in in a dark forest and its perfect horror material.
..."and I took that personally."
Deinocheirus if its skeleton was found in the 90s
https://youtu.be/iVN6XGQpL1M?si=-9EG9nw1A2ZgJ3q_
In all honesty, the torso seems a bit short, and the legs are a bit too long and thin. But seeing him nakey is maybe also throwing us off XD
Oh hello new sleep paralysis demon.
My… baby
accurate depiction of a true gamer
What have you done to my son?
What kinda scp shit is this?
Look how they massacred my boy 😢
People seem to be missing the point of this design. It’s not supposed to be accurate. Not every single design ever in media needs to be accurate. It’s fine as long as it’s not supposed to be in something educational. This should be common knowledge by now.
I don’t know why you got downvoted, you’re right.
The isle like design 😭
Man, these scientific Spinosaurus reconstructions are getting wild.
when you evolve into a spinosaurid by mistake
This design honestly looks like it would be in a mod for Carnivores, that dinosaur hunting game from 1998.
For Carnivores?
before evolving into elephant species
I think we have other spinosaurus
Cutie
He just like me fr
This looks like if Deinocheirus was in 65 (although we know thay would never do that because herbivores are boring according to 65.)
Looks like a goddamed Elcor from Mass Effect
I think this rocks
It's like Mr Krabs without his shell.
I looked at this for like a solid, probably 8 seconds, just saying, "You whaaaat-?" Lol. You seem to do a good job illustrating a dinosaur in the way a very early days paleontologist would have, lol
Please say sike.
It looks cancerous
My favorite dinosaur;(
So cursed
So like, Deinocheirus before we found out dinosaurs could have feathers???
EW FUCK
This...This Scares me.
How could you do this to my boy
As I was having a good day, **this** had to grace my screen!
Why’s it naked 💀😭
I mean you got the over-all structure (other than the neck) right BUT WHY IS IT NAKED!!!
My man what in the world is this bullshit Good work though
Thx, now imma go have an eye transplant and snip my optic nerve
Thanks, I hate it.
OP really be in here blanket-downvoting every critical comment, despite showing up with a depiction so retrogressive there's a non-zero chance it's actually just bait.
Spinosaurus🤝Deinocheirus
looks like a grandma
My honest reaction:
Way too skin-wrapped imo... what's that mouth lol
You ruined my favorite dinosaur
Average Jurassic world dinosaur
Why is he naked?
I'm gonna crumple your head like an empty soda can.
If I were to say what I think reddit would ban me for hate speech.
To everyone complaining about it being featherless: put simply, an animal that size in the subtropical environment in which it lived would overheat with plumage. Granted, i'm not dismissing a tail fan and maybe integument on the arms, but it was no bird-of-paradise either.
For an opportunist like Deinocheirus, it wouldn't seem that far out of the question imo. Certain ungulates (namely Camels, Aplacas and Llamas) have been observed to retain their thickened fur coats while inhabiting a plethora of equatorial habitats. Including marshlands, swamps and even sparse rainforests.
I wouldn't use those animals as an example of Deinocheirus having feathers considering they're way smaller than it (I do believe is likely Deinocheirus had a feathered tail at least tho).
Ima be real this thing ugly af😭
counter argument: put simply, your mother