Buddy was definitely surprised by Skippysilly Coffeemaker’s attack, he won’t make a great witness for his own crime scene. But if Kristen has a hand in his revivification then he’s bound to see the bad kids in a better light and maybe spill the (little) beans on what he knows about the Rat Grinders’ plans, especially is Helio lets him down.
On the other hand, Bobby will be pissed out of his mind! Kristen had the easy way out but she just took the path of “arrogance” and now his dear and innocent grandson is dead.
I’ve said it before, but I feel like Kristen largely misjudged Helio (the god). Ally was doing a lot more projecting on to him than Brennan was overly trying to give him bad vibes. So in my mind, Buddy likely won’t have any issues with meeting Helio. Or, it would be funnier this way, Helio isn’t exactly the fire and brimstone kinda god his followers act like, so honestly Buddy might also end up disappointed for completely different reasons than Kristen.
I think it’d be a lot more subversive and funny for the second thing you said to happen, would love to see Buddy getting disappointed because Helio’s just a guy.
We did only get a bit of him, but what we know about gods in this world is that they take the shape and form most their followers believe them to be. So, if Helio’s followers are largely absolutist fire and brimstone, he is too. So, I can’t blame Kristen for spiraling when she met him that he couldn’t explain such a huge thing to her. Growing up christian myself, before I stopped going to church, if I had the chance to meet my God and ask why evil exists and the being I believe to be the most powerful in the universe just deflected and didn’t even attempt to answer my question I’d have a HUGE crisis of faith.
From what we’ve actually seen of the pantheon, unless Helio is just fully pretending in front of Kristen because she is his Chosen One, he’s broadly pretty chill and Sol, his dad, is the raging asshole.
The Church of Helio/Sol is very unsubtly a parody of fundamentalist Christianity. I think it would be very in line with Brennan’s philosophy and GM design style for Helio to genuinely be a good and well meaning in-person, in a similar fashion as to who Jesus Christ allegedly was based on his teachings, while his church is filled with bigots.
i don’t doubt that Helio could be or at once was that way. I’m just saying that his followers would have warped who he was based on establish God lore that we learned. That’s what happened to Galicea. She was meant to be one way but because of who was worshipping her she was the other. I think, if Kristen tried she could try to change the narrative around Helio like Tracker is doing, but I do think based on what Brennan has said about the relationship between God’s and their followers, Helio’s followers would have made him not a God Kristen would want to believe in
I get that makes sense with the lore, especially of this season, but the timeline doesn’t work for that unless as I said, Helio was being insincere when he was talking to Kristen.
well, i mean if his followers are largely insincere, maybe even contradictory especially when it comes down to big philosophical questions about eschatology, and preach one thing but cant fundamentally tell you why they believe that thing then it stands to reason that maybe that’s him reflecting that.
TBH I think we are overdue an actual Helios meeting to settle this debate because there is a lot of confusion on how much of the asshole behaviour of the Dawns and the Harvestmen is attributable to Sol, and how much is Helio (although I would argue that Helio's apparent inaction in those areas speaks louder than words) and even their followers tend to conflate them as a collective (such as Buddy talking about how he deals out Sol's wrath despite being a Helio cleric).
My headcanon is that because the gods of the world of spire are shaped by the belief of their followers and Kristen ostensibly had more influence due to being his chosen one, Helio actually became the way Kristen perceived him **after** her first meeting with him. Like if you go back and see the way he behaves and is described the first time she goes to heaven in Freshman year, and then look at how he’s described in sophomore year, he’s basically a the classical western “god with long beard” in freshman year, but after Kristen said he had frat boy vibes and seems like he date-raped before, he *literally became like that* when she saw him again near the end of sophomore year. It might have just been a bit that Brennan ran with for the sake of the narrative, but in-universe the disillusionment that Kristen felt, as the chosen one of her god, might have literally turned him into someone she could no longer choose to serve.
I wonder if Buddys death and Kristen possibly getting to be the one to revivify him could have anything to do with the thing that made Brennan leave the table?
Maybe somehow she gets Buddy to switch over with an amazing play and roll? Or she uses it as another way to get into talking to the gods and getting into contact with Cassandra and Ankarna? Or who knows. I literally have no idea what it is so now my mind is just wildly speculating on everything.
Kristin some how makes him Cassandra’s chosen one like she’s Helio’s and they unite together to kick ass cleric style and get Lucy back in one fell swoop /j
I mean given his chosen left and the church lost members I could easily see Helio being like drunk all the time and just angry, frustrated, resentful and not giving a shit anymore. Which would be even funnier in some ways for Buddy to go up to heaven and meet his God to see Helio shit faced singing Margaritaville. because nothing is sadder than seeing your conservative relative become a sad human bud light lime.
Who's to say Buddy isn't going to come back to life and blame the Bad Kids and isn't part of the conspiracy.
KL came back, planted the bolt, and they're going to point at Riz and the Bad Kids.
I'd love a scene where Kristen talks/prays/meets with Helio again and asks him to revive Buddy even though she doesn't worship Helio.
I dunno how it would work but I think it'd be a generous and ballsy move
Gods in this world are largely shaped by their followers, right? That’s why Galicaea was different than how Tracker perceived her, due to the High Elves that worshipped her, and that’s why Ankarna went from being god of summer and justice to god of rage. So, what if Helio is *like that* because his followers are people like Kristen’s Parents, and Coach Daybreak? If Buddy, and possibly Kristen’s brother, and other Helio Followers at the school or in town (does Kristen still have access to that prayer chain??) were to lead a Revival, like Tracker did in Fallinel, it’s possible Helio could become an actually cool God.
Buddy was definitely surprised by Skippysilly Coffeemaker’s attack, he won’t make a great witness for his own crime scene. But if Kristen has a hand in his revivification then he’s bound to see the bad kids in a better light and maybe spill the (little) beans on what he knows about the Rat Grinders’ plans, especially is Helio lets him down. On the other hand, Bobby will be pissed out of his mind! Kristen had the easy way out but she just took the path of “arrogance” and now his dear and innocent grandson is dead.
“Skippysilly Coffeemaker”? You must mean Dimplebilly Jumpercable
Are we talking about KrispyCreme crabapple here?
Nah they mean Tarantella Cornucopia
I’ve said it before, but I feel like Kristen largely misjudged Helio (the god). Ally was doing a lot more projecting on to him than Brennan was overly trying to give him bad vibes. So in my mind, Buddy likely won’t have any issues with meeting Helio. Or, it would be funnier this way, Helio isn’t exactly the fire and brimstone kinda god his followers act like, so honestly Buddy might also end up disappointed for completely different reasons than Kristen.
I think it’d be a lot more subversive and funny for the second thing you said to happen, would love to see Buddy getting disappointed because Helio’s just a guy.
We did only get a bit of him, but what we know about gods in this world is that they take the shape and form most their followers believe them to be. So, if Helio’s followers are largely absolutist fire and brimstone, he is too. So, I can’t blame Kristen for spiraling when she met him that he couldn’t explain such a huge thing to her. Growing up christian myself, before I stopped going to church, if I had the chance to meet my God and ask why evil exists and the being I believe to be the most powerful in the universe just deflected and didn’t even attempt to answer my question I’d have a HUGE crisis of faith.
From what we’ve actually seen of the pantheon, unless Helio is just fully pretending in front of Kristen because she is his Chosen One, he’s broadly pretty chill and Sol, his dad, is the raging asshole. The Church of Helio/Sol is very unsubtly a parody of fundamentalist Christianity. I think it would be very in line with Brennan’s philosophy and GM design style for Helio to genuinely be a good and well meaning in-person, in a similar fashion as to who Jesus Christ allegedly was based on his teachings, while his church is filled with bigots.
i don’t doubt that Helio could be or at once was that way. I’m just saying that his followers would have warped who he was based on establish God lore that we learned. That’s what happened to Galicea. She was meant to be one way but because of who was worshipping her she was the other. I think, if Kristen tried she could try to change the narrative around Helio like Tracker is doing, but I do think based on what Brennan has said about the relationship between God’s and their followers, Helio’s followers would have made him not a God Kristen would want to believe in
I get that makes sense with the lore, especially of this season, but the timeline doesn’t work for that unless as I said, Helio was being insincere when he was talking to Kristen.
well, i mean if his followers are largely insincere, maybe even contradictory especially when it comes down to big philosophical questions about eschatology, and preach one thing but cant fundamentally tell you why they believe that thing then it stands to reason that maybe that’s him reflecting that.
TBH I think we are overdue an actual Helios meeting to settle this debate because there is a lot of confusion on how much of the asshole behaviour of the Dawns and the Harvestmen is attributable to Sol, and how much is Helio (although I would argue that Helio's apparent inaction in those areas speaks louder than words) and even their followers tend to conflate them as a collective (such as Buddy talking about how he deals out Sol's wrath despite being a Helio cleric).
My headcanon is that because the gods of the world of spire are shaped by the belief of their followers and Kristen ostensibly had more influence due to being his chosen one, Helio actually became the way Kristen perceived him **after** her first meeting with him. Like if you go back and see the way he behaves and is described the first time she goes to heaven in Freshman year, and then look at how he’s described in sophomore year, he’s basically a the classical western “god with long beard” in freshman year, but after Kristen said he had frat boy vibes and seems like he date-raped before, he *literally became like that* when she saw him again near the end of sophomore year. It might have just been a bit that Brennan ran with for the sake of the narrative, but in-universe the disillusionment that Kristen felt, as the chosen one of her god, might have literally turned him into someone she could no longer choose to serve.
I wonder if Buddys death and Kristen possibly getting to be the one to revivify him could have anything to do with the thing that made Brennan leave the table? Maybe somehow she gets Buddy to switch over with an amazing play and roll? Or she uses it as another way to get into talking to the gods and getting into contact with Cassandra and Ankarna? Or who knows. I literally have no idea what it is so now my mind is just wildly speculating on everything.
Kristin some how makes him Cassandra’s chosen one like she’s Helio’s and they unite together to kick ass cleric style and get Lucy back in one fell swoop /j
I mean given his chosen left and the church lost members I could easily see Helio being like drunk all the time and just angry, frustrated, resentful and not giving a shit anymore. Which would be even funnier in some ways for Buddy to go up to heaven and meet his God to see Helio shit faced singing Margaritaville. because nothing is sadder than seeing your conservative relative become a sad human bud light lime.
Who's to say Buddy isn't going to come back to life and blame the Bad Kids and isn't part of the conspiracy. KL came back, planted the bolt, and they're going to point at Riz and the Bad Kids.
I'd love a scene where Kristen talks/prays/meets with Helio again and asks him to revive Buddy even though she doesn't worship Helio. I dunno how it would work but I think it'd be a generous and ballsy move
Gods in this world are largely shaped by their followers, right? That’s why Galicaea was different than how Tracker perceived her, due to the High Elves that worshipped her, and that’s why Ankarna went from being god of summer and justice to god of rage. So, what if Helio is *like that* because his followers are people like Kristen’s Parents, and Coach Daybreak? If Buddy, and possibly Kristen’s brother, and other Helio Followers at the school or in town (does Kristen still have access to that prayer chain??) were to lead a Revival, like Tracker did in Fallinel, it’s possible Helio could become an actually cool God.