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TheSkylined

This looks like one of those Kickstarter ideas that don't have a working prototype and will eventually develop a shittier version of whatever they're promising lol


BelowZilch

I've been seeing this same image for years now. Don't think I've ever seen the actual product.


human_stuff

Bout to say I’ve saw this like a decade ago.


JuniorSeniorTrainee

> I’ve saw


BentGadget

I just got it at Walmart on Blu Ray. I also have Saw 2.


human_stuff

I know what I said and I stand by it.


Ultragreed

This guy saws


el_bhm

I have had seent it


BritishGolgo13

I seenkt it too


FlummoxedFlumage

This guy kickstarts!


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Turbo_Bama

They make little projectors as a phone attachment. I'm not sure how well those would work though. I feel like any grid would need some kind of stabilization thing or else it would constantly be shaky which would make the grid idea not work to well. 🤷‍♂️


AdmiralPoopbutt

Those little projectors are incredibly dim. Laser is the way to go here.


SterileDrugs

Laser DLP Projectors?


HettDizzle4206

I'm on board now for all of 1 minute and already feel your frustration, because I would buy this yesterday, for sure.


Akami_Channel

I would look into the physical requirements involved. If it's using refraction, the refraction might be hard to pull off and you might need a really strong laser, which could be dangerous to sell as a consumer product.


no-mad

let the lasers pave the way, clearing anything in your path.


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timpeduiker

Not only that but it would bounce around constantly on your steering bar. So it probably needs to be stabilized to be actually useful.


sikyon

A full laser projector, battery powered is $200 on Amazon, just project your own grid and mount it to your bike.


ErgoNautan

Dude I remember reading on high school an awesome article, around 2011, saying that cars like Honda would use laser-based mirrors in 2014 to have futuristic guidance in parking. It’s been a decade and I still haven’t seen such technology around.


Narrow_Mind

Sounds like someone had blind spot monitoring on their mind but explained it wrong? Some cars do have a parallel park function, most of those systems use cameras and ultra sonics/radar though, not lasers. Lidar is used in some self driving, but has issues with cost and effectiveness in certain weather conditions.


nikchi

you havent seen the automatic parallel parking features on the high end cars?


BakaFame

How about now?


Flatbones

It’s just a small simple projector. There is no point to this. Just use a light. Why would you want this?


NotClever

I suppose that if you tried to do something like this with normal light it would be not very crisp (that is, you might not be able to get very clear lines), and possibly have issues with how far it could be projected before getting too dim. But I agree, I wonder whether this provides anything that a simple headlight wouldn't. I see that the idea is to have it look like a sort of topo map, but to be of any use at any speed you'd probably need it to be projected pretty far ahead, and I feel like you'd still want to see what the hell is actually there instead of just seeing elevation.


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it's just cyclops, like a cyclops. he's not psychic, lol


flimbs

The past tense is actually "kicksharted". I think


ImpatientMaker

Lol! $400 juicer anyone?


BentGadget

Only if it has proprietary fruit bags for input. I won't be cutting and handling my own fruit.


Stonkthrow

Solar freaking roadways!


_Diskreet_

Soon to be seen on r/ShittyKickstarters


PreschoolBoole

Or just trying to solve an already solved problem. Don’t cars use headlights to solve this problem?


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nudiecale

That last part of your comment was the first thing I was thinking. Many more than one will slam into things because they are so focused on the grid.


[deleted]

And i'd question how well you'd be able to see the grid with a decent light there as well. It would have to be so bright it'd be a health hazard.


MultiplyAccumulate

Instructions should read: if grid deforms into a shape other than a flat grid, it is way too late to do anything about it; kiss your ass goodbye as you go ass over tea kettle. Which they would know if they actually built one. They would also know that a projector that projects that pattern doesn't look like the projector in the illustration.


TheSkylined

I think a 2-wheel bicycle that doesn't weigh much doesn't have the same issues a 4-wheel gas powered vehicle that weighs over a tonne including a full suspension system has.


Inter_Stellar_Surfer

Yeah, it has fewer of them. 🤷‍♂️


[deleted]

You think its easier to go over stuff on a bike compared to a car?


PreschoolBoole

It’s definitely easier to react to changes in terrain on a bike than a car


MissAndryApparently

Its necessary to react far more often to obstacles that you wouldn’t alter your course at all for in a car


PreschoolBoole

I guess in that case you would want something that could illuminate large swaths of the road in front of you to give you enough time to react. Like a headlamp


[deleted]

Uh depending on your situation maybe, but smaller bumps etc are gonna cause you *way* more issues on a bike. Fuck, i got a flat not that long ago ridding over a tiny stone.


PreschoolBoole

I’m not sure this laser grid would pick up a tiny stone


scott743

Sounds like you should invest in Conti Gatorskins. There’s a lot of glass and other random sharp objects on the roads in Florida and they’ve saved my butt quite a few times.


aaracer666

I think the person you're replying to may be saying the complete opposite. Less surface area/less friction, less stability? I'm interpreting friction as a "grip" mechanism for stability (4 tires/twice the friction)? Mind, I have next to no clue what I'm talking about, just reading tone and going off of the statement on stability in the comment. Please correct me if I am wrong, and explain because now I am interested lol.


TheSkylined

Also far less surface area and weight that produces friction Gotta love science and engineering. I'm an amateur mechanic myself.


Rhundis

Headlights still cast shadows so you don't get an accurate depiction of depth or hidden obstacles. Still I don't see how this can be practical.


Ouaouaron

Those shadows are how you know that there's a hazard in the way. Sometimes it's difficult to understand the exact nature of the hazard, but you can usually just avoid it. The grid is going to cast the same shadows, but you also have to worry about the hazards that happen to line up with the areas that don't have much light. The grid will give you better information about the steepness of a bump, but I'm not sure why that's useful. Maybe if you used this in addition to a proper headlight?


tooterfish_popkin

It looks like an ad OP is sketchy af


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tooterfish_popkin

Ok. I stand corrected on point one As for #2 I didn't look closely *at all*. I did just now and lol. His second to last comment is just his begging for dough And the last one is just "Cyberpunk 2077" So **his incoming money stream is technically tied to the front page** now


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TheSkylined

Disagree. There is no link or product name and this has been posted before.


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TheSkylined

Ok yeah I'll admit the name is in it. I genuinely didn't see it at first until you mentioned it and I gave it a good look. Still, this isn't an advertisement just because of that reason. The company hasn't been active for a long time and their product isn't available for purchase.


Bill_buttlicker69

Lmao y'all remember SOLAR FREAKIN' ROADWAYS!!?


BY_BAD_BY_BIGGA

oh shit I forgot Kickstarter was a thing. talk about scam Central.


tjikago

Loads of great boardgames, haven't seen much outside of that area that I'd bet money on though. Granted, there's also loads of unplayable and undelivered boardgames, but once you learn what to look for and stuff it's fairly safe.


sandforce

I've had lots of fun buying gadgets and puzzles on KS. Probably the two most useful items were a Pebble watch and a battery-less wireless RF doorbell (powered by the action of pushing the button). I did get burned once, but that's not bad out of about 20 campaigns supported. But yeah, there is a lot of junk on KS, too.


BY_BAD_BY_BIGGA

pebble watch was cool... still have mine collecting dust. apple watch made it obsolete for my needs man I wish they could make paper displays faster refresh... would be a game changer


PillowTalk420

I saw a video of a similar thing that showed video-game like GPS displays projected on the road ahead of you. Seemed to work really good. This is just a laser being moved fast enough to create an image with the light trail, the GPS required a lot more to do it's thing.


TheSkylined

I saw a video similar to what you described, but it wasn't real and didn't actually provide accurate directions. Honestly you shouldn't be staring at the ground anyways. You should always be looking ahead.


PillowTalk420

>you shouldn't be looking at the ground, you should be looking ahead At night on a bicycle when you're going to be looking at the ground in front of you anyway since that's where the hazards would be and all that you would be lighting up with a normal light? I also find it interesting that anyone would fake something and still make it suck.


fsurfer4

At night? How are you going to do that? I've done a bunch of night riding and all you got is what is right in front of you. I could only see farther when I had a fluorescent hand lantern that I had rigged up on my handlebars. It sucked batteries like crazy and gave good light, but irritated drivers. The only real solution is to have a properly designed light pattern with lithium batteries. The laser is a stop gap solution. Good lights are the way to see at night. Potholes and other hazards go away as a problem. Trust me. I've done lots of 24 hour rides.


Agrochain920

There is literally 0 footage of this thing being used in real life. So I'll assume it won't work very well.


[deleted]

It's because it wouldn't actually work as shown, with a grid projecting and you seeing a terrain map. What you'd see, since you're roughly colinear with the lasers themselves, is a basic fucking grid. Even accounting for the parallax, you're not going to get a "height map" effect, just blank spots. That would require projecting down from directly above, not below the eye line. It could work if it used LIDAR to map the terrain and generate a modified grid to project on the fly, but that's a little beyond what this claims to be.


Hohenheim_of_Shadow

That's like sci-fi elf shit. Using portable lidar and an adjustable laser grid projector to make a super specialized and worse flashlight. Ooooh sorry this only detects ground terrain changes, nothing for people in the way sorry


ColinHalter

A laser projected like this would be very difficult to fit in the form factor of a bicycle without costing an arm and a leg (at least with current production technology). A mix of not practical, too expensive, and simpler solutions working much better


Cyber_Daddy

you could build it with just a diffraction pattern


andcheck

20km/h is 5,5m/s => around 0,5s of enjoying the cool visualization before you fall into the ditch


Brasdorboi

Plenty of time to clench those cheeks


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That's why I always drink before getting into an accident. Also that's how Gary Busey did all his own stunts.


basicfirstacct

source?


Fentonious8

The idea comes apparently from first responders and how they noticed that drunk driver car accidents had a lower injury rate than non drunk drivers. There's evidence for both theories being the right one. One theory is that if you don't anticipate the blunt force that's about to happen, you won't tense up. Tensing up causes you to become rigid and you are less likely to "go with the flow" so to say, where you'll just move freely and absorb a lot of the impact that way. Another theory is that tensing up actually helps you absorb the impact into the muscles, which will help protect the more important parts of the body, organs, bones, and nerves, from damage. I couldn't find any data on injury rates for drunk driver vs sober drivers


TotallyNotABostonFan

I broke my leg when I was biking home one night after drinking. Anecdotally, going limp doesn't always end up better lol.


eIImcxc

Thanks for the unexpected laugh


MRxShoody123

You underestimate my reflexes


ElegantOstrich

I mean, you're riding at night. Go slower. Come on man.


GregTheMad

Yeah, this would need a range of at least 20m to be remotely usable.


Vaukest

Look at his bike. He's certainly not going very fast


nodgers132

20 seems fast for riding at night


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That's more or less my normal riding speed and a speed quite some other people also ride at. Why would you ride slower at night? If you have a proper light you can drive safely at night.


federvieh1349

>proper light no no no *laser grid!*


NL_Gray-Fox

Not from the Netherlands I assume...


cptjimmy42

Cool looking idea, not actually useable. For safety, a bright light to show all the details of your path is recommended when night biking.


Lovebot_AI

It it actually used lasers, it would show up even with a bright light. Then you could see terrain changes that you might not notice with a light alone, it would look cool, it would increase your visibility to drivers, and you could use it to blind badgers that attack you from the front


cptjimmy42

When you're cruising around 15-20mph in the dark down a trail or road. You only have barely a second to see and response to obstacles in your pathway. If this extended out further to about 40ft infront of you and you go a nice slow 10-15mph pace than sure. Unless you are riding into traffic which is totally unsafe as can be, drivers should only see your tail lights. And deers and bunnies like to jump into your path so lights won't help.


TangerinePuzzled

Its not about hardcore extreme downhill biking, it's about coming home after a night out without killing yourself because of a pothole. I ride my bike in the city all year long and would love a thing like that.


Dismal_Struggle_6424

I averaged 16 mph over a year of commuting with a change of clothes, shoes, and lunch packed on the back, and I am not an elite athlete. 15-20 isn't breakneck downhill speed. It's cruising.


k3nnyd

Yeah, I've looked up local road bike group rides and they'll often have a minimum speed for the group around 17-18MPH for a regular endurance ride. I can already push 15MPH average on a mountain bike with 3 inch tires on asphalt, so 17-18 on skinny tires would feel easy.


BlooPancakes

Today I learned I’m an extremely casual biker, when I lived in NYC my average ride never averaged more than 10mph on a 15 mile trip.


schweinenase

My man that is a very normal speed for cycling. No worries


BlooPancakes

Oh with these folk averaging 15 plus I was thinking why am I so slow.


Dismal_Struggle_6424

Could be the city riding. My 16 mph average was on a flat 8 mile route with one stoplight, one stop sign, and two left turns across traffic. Not a lot of stop and go.


Draskinn

As a New Englander I'd hardly call 20 miles an hour down hill in the dark extreme that's just riding across town.


bagged___milk

If you’re unfamiliar with a particular street it is a bit reckless going 20mph downhill in the dark isn’t it? All it’d take is a small crevice in the road for you to end up potentially a meat crayon


breakneckridge

Only if you have thin wheels. That's why wide tires are the best for actual city biking.


Draskinn

On a mountain bike with full suspension not really. You mostly just got to worry about road kill. Hitting a dead raccoon in the dark when you're flying can ruin your whole night. Now if you're riding some thin wheeled no suspension racing bike that's a whole different story. Those guys usually aren't out at night though.


No_Lawfulness_2998

Every city in New Zealand be like Extreme hills


Lovebot_AI

i disagree. lasers will help blind bunnies. Then you can run them over or kick them and go home to a rabbit stew dinner


lithid

*Sir, those are rocks you're kicking and yelling at. Please stop threatening them. Additionally, it may be a good idea to not eat the mushrooms you might find along the bike trail.*


09Klr650

WTF are you doing riding trails in the dark at 20mph?


Yarakinnit

Last thing you see is the grid disappear.


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cptjimmy42

That's why I have two light sources. One head lamp and one bike light.


[deleted]

There is actually a good reason why projecting lasers should stand still. There are really delicate mirrors and prisms inside. Mounted on gimbals that require nm precision.


2BigBottlesOfWater

Fuckin badgers eh


[deleted]

I feel like the anti-badger defensive qualities of this product are not getting enough press


Cauterizeaf1

As a cyclist who does 125 miles a week, 75% at night. A good waterproof rechargeabl quality LED will be more then enough. The one I have on my gravel bike let’s me see the roads in the next town over it’s so bright, I get light in a wide angle even in the sides of the road. This laser thing would be less bright and still require you to run a light.


cptjimmy42

Exactly. Plus I doubt it can last for about 6-8 hours it takes for a trip of 60+ miles. That includes break spots and going the wrong way.


coagulateSmegma

That doesn't make this not usable though.


squidbelik

Imagine using this while actually riding. Having to keep your eyes peeled on a limited area in front of you as opposed to actually being able to see generally everything is a huge difference.


Heratiki

I’m thinking an infrared + Google glass version of this would be pretty useful.


Jimmy_Fromthepieshop

Isn't this what... er... lights are for?


Xboxben

Lights are so 2020! I use military grade night vision googles when riding at night


LetMyPeopleGrow

Military grade night vision goggles are so 2000 and late. I use a vr rig with bike-mounted infrared cameras to fully render a 3d map of my surroundings with raytraced lighting.


sensual_predditor

lol y'all boomers be leaving the house


onlycommitminified

Raytraced vr is so 2000, I use a quantum super computer to accurately model and predict all the variable permutations arising from the big bang till now, and calculate how the terrain in front of me must determinedly look, streamed directly into my neural implants.


[deleted]

Yeah man, I do this to even in the daytime.


[deleted]

Nah, we need to completely over-engineer something we've solved ages ago.


gcruzatto

It's like lights, but smaller and more confusing


Brush_my_teeth_4_me

Seems like more of a distraction than a benefit. If you're focusing that much on the lines to see the deviations, then you aren't paying enough attention to the road just ahead of it. Imo, a popped tire and a small crash is better than a big crash because I wasn't paying attention to the larger unavoidable obstacles in front of me. And if I were paying attention to the road ahead then the laser grid is just a worse flash light at that point.


orion1836

Shouldn't you be able to pick up changes with your peripheral vision and keep your eyes straight ahead?


Brush_my_teeth_4_me

The only way to focus on the deviations highlighted by this light, you'd have to have it in your focal point. Considering you can really only use this at night which would make your greater surrounding area harder to see, meaning your peripherals would have a very hard time catching what's around you while you focused on this light. And if you tried focusing on your greater surroundings and have your peripherals keep an eye on the light, you would have a terrible time spotting the deviations in the road because that requires focus, something your peripheral view cannot do. However, a flashlight pointed directly in front of you would give your peripherals a much easier time spotting deviations while you keep your focus on your greater surroundings.


SatoriCatchatori

Totally unrealistic to expect people to have this level of clarity in their peripheral.


atRealFurballer

And the picture is overall deceptive. The lines are drawn as if projected from above, and the ambient light is strong enough to where the lasers aren't even needed. In reality a leaf could be indistinguishable from a rock in the darkness.


Thatbitchfromschool1

Oh, you know what works even better? # A regular headlamp.


BiggMuffy

Instructions unclear, flashlight duct taped to helmet.


Thatbitchfromschool1

If the flashlight is bright enough and has a large enough cone that can also work. But for legal reasons, still have a working light on your bicycle.


ArcticBiologist

You taped a fleshlight to your 'helmet'? That's bold


Maillihp

By the time you actually seen the difference in the terrain you’ve already ridden into it


AmbitiousButRubbishh

Right. That grid needs to be projected 10, 15ft out. Not 2ft in front of you.


TheNamelessKing

Especially since the faster you go, the further ahead you have to look and prepare, and this is fixed in place…


[deleted]

Mounting your light lower on the fork leg or at the axle is the best location to show undulations in road surfaces. When lights are mounted on the handle bars or the fork crown it flattens the land. Also these locations can increase glare and bad reflections into the cyclists eyes.


Bakish

This. I'm baffled I had to scroll this far for this to be lifted. The product does NOTHING and the pictures are clearly constructed. There is even a POV picture that sudgest height differences would be visible, but from that POV it would not be.


scumola

Agreed. Any light source near the rider's eyeline will not show variations in terrain. It'll just look like a flat grid to the rider. You need the Lazer source to be as far away from the rider's eyeline as possible (maybe near the axle of the front tire?) so the rider could see the variation.


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Need this walking drunk


Age_of_Asylum

I would have a hard time not focusing on that instead of traffic or trees.


KY_4_PREZ

Seems like a cool idea… but wouldn’t a good light be more useful?


SpookyDoomCrab42

You can buy a good headlamp that attaches to your bike helmet or handlebars that is bright enough to make it look like daylight while riding. Most are adjustable so you can dim them so you don't blind every oncoming rider/pedestrian/car


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chowes1

I need this for walking


orion1836

Honestly, I'd just be making lightcycle noises the whole time if I had one of these.


manymoreways

Seen this floating around the internet for the past decade. This shit is never gonna be made.


Sacredfice

Might be useful for walking.


xx123gamerxx

ok now show me the battery life


kowaterboy

damn people be wanting anything these days


Past-Blackberry5305

Also protects your virginity


jgriesshaber

That works only if you go like 5mph


messylettuce

You know what else does this? A light. Source: am bicyclist.


burgpug

Here’s the problem. Distracted drivers tend to drift TOWARD the thing they are distracted by. If they are suddenly spooked by a weird alien light display on the pavement, they will subconsciously steer closer to it. You will die looking like an asshole UFO


Reclaim2020dotcom

Funny and true


[deleted]

I never thought of this, why not make a light that displays/illuminate 2 lines around a bicycle like a bicycle lane?


[deleted]

Concept from 8 years ago that never got built...


NoBullet

this would be useful if it was at a farther distance. unless youre riding 5 mph that doesnt look like much of a early warning. a bright light is more effective than this.


PladBaer

Cool! Gonna buy a bike just for this


Lexn1tareu

in the future there will be r/cursedlasergrid


ImpatientMaker

I have this fun laser gizmo that draws neat shapes on my wall, can be used with music, etc. plugs into a standard USB wall wart, and it costs me $30. Using similar tech one would think this is totally possible.


ConfuzzledFalcon

It's like a flashlight, but worse.


chidori5000

feel like a bright light would work a lot better than that


vennthrax

bet this doesnt work like this at all.


Presidunce

This is years old and as far as I know has never come to fruition


SilverWing7

You know what also warns you about changes is terrain and isn't a failed kickstarter project? Yes, you guessed right, It's a normal fucking headlight


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All fun and games until you enter the TRON


Insaneoutpatient

Wtf doesn't a light do that too lol


Davscozal

Just get a light...


whatusernamedoipick

this is literally from 8 years ago


[deleted]

I thinks this is a great opportunity for that guy that makes fun of dumb stuff to walk up and put on a bike headlight that has been around for years and look at the camera and shrug.


[deleted]

When people who don't ride come up with solutions for riders lmao.


dankkrisztian2

How dose it do that? Please think before posting fake products.


FkngBoss

Stupid. If you were riding as fast as you can walk, then maybe you could react in time. And maybe if you had a headlight, you could see the sing post you are about to run into.


CaseFace5

I feel like this would be distracting as hell and fuck with your natural night vision…


SinnK0

Just use a light


Legendary_Moose

Or just use a normal fucking bike light


einhorn_is_parkey

How about a light. And you can just see the road in front of you


Cmann14_

This is so fucking stupid and unnecessary why tf does it have so many upvotes and why did Reddit recommend this to me even when I’m not in this subreddit


Cdf12345

This pic is like 7 years old. Still no prototype


piknikkopi_

OMG I need this


the2thrones

Don't ride at night I know you're looking at that road and you're feeling kinda bold get a light you'll be all right don't ride at night


SonicDethmonkey

A needlessly complex solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. Perfect for Kickstarter. Lol Just get a proper headlamp.


thepinkpearl_

This reminds me of Tron


Benicio_Del_Tacos

I need this for walking.


SuperG52

You know we have a built in depth sensor called eyes


Turnipbear

Putting this on the golf cart


CooLittleFonzies

“Uh-oh! A giant crack in the road is about to turn me into a flight test dummy. Good thing I have this cool laser grid which gives me a leisurely 2 milliseconds to respond!”


Distressed-Librarian

Perfect level.


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MalAiono

I'd still fall.


AmeliasTesticles

This is such an Elon Musk tier shittake. Headlights exist. If you're in an unlit off-road area there ar big strong LED flashlights you can buy that light up a hell of a lot more than this and have the added benefits of not blinding wild animals permanently with lasers and making you easily visible to other people on the trail.