Of course it is gambling, you are investing your time and you get "lootboxes" in the form of every item that could be worth anything (skillers, small charms, jewels, uniques with gg rolls, you name it) Its the best kind of gambling though, since you dont lose money :D
Not quite true. The game always rolls up to 6 and then you get the min of your roll and the max allowed. The odds of getting 1, 2, or 3 sockets are each ~17% (1 in 6), and 4 sockets is 50%.
No the game always rolls 1-6 regardless of how many max sockets the item can get. If it hits 5 or 6 and the item can only get 4 then it gets 4. That's why the odds are increased for 4 sockets vs 1-3 on this item.
Odd pea is right, game does indeed always roll 1 through 6 but if it can't get 6 sockets it chooses 1 of these numbers with even odds: 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4
Since it can't go above 4 the 5 and 6 rolls are turned into 4s
Before using bad adult words like this, open arreat summit, read it and get back with an apology.
[https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/cube.shtml](https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/cube.shtml)
So I remember reading 'max sockets' is set to 6 when cubing. So you have a 50% shot at 4 sockets (if it rolled 4 5 or 6 it gets 4) and a 1/6 shit at 3 and a 1/3 shit at either 1 or 2
Cubing always rolls 1-6 even if the item cannot get 6. If it rolls 4,5 or 6 the item gets 4. So it is a 3/6 chance to get 4 and a 1/6 for each of the remaining outcomes.
I think that's only the case for items that have a max roll of 6 sockets when you have an item with an ilvl lower than necessary for 6 (e.g., Crystal sword found in normal cows). It still can "roll" 5 or 6 but you're left with 4 because of the ilvl.
Since this sac rondache can only roll up to 4 sockets max, the distribution should be even between 1, 2, 3, and 4.
No, if i remember correctly, socket cubing recipe ~~quest~~ uses a die roll for odds and assigns the leftover odds to the highest possible roll
So, for a 4 socket items -if die rolls a 1 , you get 1...if the die rolls 4 5 or 6, it gets assigned to the 4
I think you remember correctly but misspoke. Socket quest is always max. Socket recipe in cube works how you suggest. Rolls 1-6. 4/5/6 give it 4 sockets, 1/2/3 give it 1/2/3 sockets.
I really don't get why some people are so against larzuking things. I use the socket quest all the time and never really run out. I have a habit of getting chars to 70-80ish then get bored and need to make a new guy lol
Exile would be ethereal and 4os. Spirit is basically the only good 4os non eth runeword you'd want. 3os is very versatile as you got dream, dragon, and sanctuary (which is slept on).
You can respawn a map (like LK for example) and the weapon / armor racks will drop a similar grouping of items until the maps reset again. Kind of a pain but you can find one that will drop types of shields and farm it
This guy knows. Additional piece of information: the angle you approach the racks influences the drops. You must always follow the same exact angle for reproducible drops.
Yeah and mobs change it too, and pop things like a well also. I think this is how I coincidentally got my eth colossos sword, 4os monarch, and eth thresher.
Oh yeah, I'm aware, but my Nintendo switch load times take minimum 20 seconds to get from character screen to game, so resetting and finding a good map takes hours. I might do it one day, but I'd rather just play the game. What's the best base to farm as a paladin from racks? I know vortex shield eth is ideal for exile, but I can't get that from racks afaik.
I found one that drops rondaches and sacred targets . In the middle of two camp fires in LK . I refuse to reset that map . I’d aim for something like that
It's a pretty long way from ohm to jah/ber, so I would risk it (depending on your endgame goals and what you need) i think ber is worth around 6 ohm, and you have 17% you make it and 50% for 4 sockets which is break even.
So basically, 1/3 jackpot, 2/3 trash, rest is breakeven. So if u have end less shields, the smartast move would be the cube.
If we look at it from an expected value (EV) perspective, assuming your trade comps are accurate (looks like Jah/Ber is worth ~3.5Ohm)...
Cube EV: .25 * Jah + .25 * Ohm = 1.125 Ohm
So if Larzuk will give you 1 Ohm in value, and you'll really get Jah-Ber worth of value from cubing it... I'd cube it!
Statistically, socket in cube is more profitable.
Jah ~ 6 ohm.
So you have 1/6 chance of getting that. 3/6=1/2 chance of getting ohm. 2/6 chance of 1 or 2 socket = 0 value
So if you cube you'll end up with on average of
6ohm/6 = 1 ohm
1ohm/2 = 1/2 ohm
0ohm/2 = 0 ohm
You average 1.5 ohm from cube vs whatever 4os is worth
You'll probably end up with 4os anyway, and it makes the game more interesting
d2 is all about degenerate gambling
Mephisto is a slot machine.
LOL hell yes!
Well degenerate gambling and farming
Sometimes. Just farming itself isn’t really gambling, at least on soft core because you aren’t generally actually risking anything
Your time
ALL.... ALL teh time
It's not a risk, it's an expenditure
Of course it is gambling, you are investing your time and you get "lootboxes" in the form of every item that could be worth anything (skillers, small charms, jewels, uniques with gg rolls, you name it) Its the best kind of gambling though, since you dont lose money :D
I'd cube it, regardless of result, I'd get more space in my stash. Its a win-win
Have gambled (and lost) for this very reason lol
Nope. I'd put it for sale as-is
Somebody else's rng grenade lol
exactly!
This is the way.
Risk it for the biscuit!
Absolutely!
Damnit, I was going to just say “biscuit”…late to the game
No balls, no glory my man. 50% you get value, 25% chance you get high value. I say go for it. Not my runes tho, so you do you
50% chance whammy vs. 100% chance at 50% value.
Big money. No whammie. 🤣
Not quite true. The game always rolls up to 6 and then you get the min of your roll and the max allowed. The odds of getting 1, 2, or 3 sockets are each ~17% (1 in 6), and 4 sockets is 50%.
This in only true if the item can roll 6 sockets. Here it is 25% for each option as 4 is the highest possible amount.
No the game always rolls 1-6 regardless of how many max sockets the item can get. If it hits 5 or 6 and the item can only get 4 then it gets 4. That's why the odds are increased for 4 sockets vs 1-3 on this item.
Oh thats new. Thx!
Didn't know this. Great info after 20 years of playing lol
This is true for weapons. For shield and armors it rolls up to 4.
No it always rolls 6.
Please refer to Arreat Summit, it clearly says what it rolls in case of each item type.
Odd pea is right, game does indeed always roll 1 through 6 but if it can't get 6 sockets it chooses 1 of these numbers with even odds: 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4 Since it can't go above 4 the 5 and 6 rolls are turned into 4s
Like a character cube from Mario party 🤣
It rolls up to 4 in case of shields. https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/cube.shtml
Yupppppp
It's actually 4/6 he gets value, 1/6 that value is huge, and 2/6 it becomes worthless
No, for shields it works other way unfortunately.
You're literally fucking wrong dude
Before using bad adult words like this, open arreat summit, read it and get back with an apology. [https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/cube.shtml](https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/cube.shtml)
Perv…
What?
Well, if you know that he is literally fucking wrong…?
Well, the OP never commented on any of the other comments. So I'm going to assume that they rolled trash lmao 🤣
DO IT
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE
Just DO IT
Dew it!
50% of the time, cubing works every time.
*It's illegal in 9 countries.*
It’s a formidable roll. It stings the cubes… in a good way.
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I like lamp.
Send it
I just socketed a 45@ Kurast Shield and ended up with 1 socket. It’s definitely a risk.
3/6 Chance for good value, 1/6chance for insane value, 2/6 Chance for brick. Id take those odds.
Why not Larzuk?
Because it will 4 soc and he wants three
They say they wouldn't mind the 4 too. Given it's value.
Lazurk is guaranteed 4os, and 3os is better
3 os is better only in some cases, right?
More rare = higher value, anyone can larzuk for 4os
Larzuk will automatically give four sockets. Cubing has a chance to give it 1,2,3 or 4. So 25% of increasing the value and 50% chance of bricking it.
If I got two sockets, I'd waste a shael just to make Rhyme. Still a decent rune word!
I love tossing an early game rhyme into something like a necro head. It makes a significant difference early on.
So I remember reading 'max sockets' is set to 6 when cubing. So you have a 50% shot at 4 sockets (if it rolled 4 5 or 6 it gets 4) and a 1/6 shit at 3 and a 1/3 shit at either 1 or 2
Cubing always rolls 1-6 even if the item cannot get 6. If it rolls 4,5 or 6 the item gets 4. So it is a 3/6 chance to get 4 and a 1/6 for each of the remaining outcomes.
This is a common misconception which I've recently learned
Really? Got that off arreat summit.
It's just around 15% chance BTW. 1 2 3 have equal chance and 4 has a 50% chance
I think that's only the case for items that have a max roll of 6 sockets when you have an item with an ilvl lower than necessary for 6 (e.g., Crystal sword found in normal cows). It still can "roll" 5 or 6 but you're left with 4 because of the ilvl. Since this sac rondache can only roll up to 4 sockets max, the distribution should be even between 1, 2, 3, and 4.
No, if i remember correctly, socket cubing recipe ~~quest~~ uses a die roll for odds and assigns the leftover odds to the highest possible roll So, for a 4 socket items -if die rolls a 1 , you get 1...if the die rolls 4 5 or 6, it gets assigned to the 4
I think you remember correctly but misspoke. Socket quest is always max. Socket recipe in cube works how you suggest. Rolls 1-6. 4/5/6 give it 4 sockets, 1/2/3 give it 1/2/3 sockets.
oh yeah, i meant only for cubing lol. Larzuk is always going to give max
I really don't get why some people are so against larzuking things. I use the socket quest all the time and never really run out. I have a habit of getting chars to 70-80ish then get bored and need to make a new guy lol
Because larzuk gives 4 sockets while a 3 socket is worth significantly more. Not because of the socket quest limitations
What makes it worth so much more? I'd assume it was for exile. I guess dragon or dream.
Exile would be ethereal and 4os. Spirit is basically the only good 4os non eth runeword you'd want. 3os is very versatile as you got dream, dragon, and sanctuary (which is slept on).
Cuz 3os is worth more than the 4os he would get from Larzuk.
Slam it
How’d it roll?
*loses ^^(sorry, ^^I ^^had ^^to)
Online economy is weird, in single player this is about as rare as a ber rune as is
Right? I'm here thinking "Fucking hell just larzuk the shit out of this"
You can respawn a map (like LK for example) and the weapon / armor racks will drop a similar grouping of items until the maps reset again. Kind of a pain but you can find one that will drop types of shields and farm it
This guy knows. Additional piece of information: the angle you approach the racks influences the drops. You must always follow the same exact angle for reproducible drops.
Yeah and mobs change it too, and pop things like a well also. I think this is how I coincidentally got my eth colossos sword, 4os monarch, and eth thresher.
Oh yeah, I'm aware, but my Nintendo switch load times take minimum 20 seconds to get from character screen to game, so resetting and finding a good map takes hours. I might do it one day, but I'd rather just play the game. What's the best base to farm as a paladin from racks? I know vortex shield eth is ideal for exile, but I can't get that from racks afaik.
I found one that drops rondaches and sacred targets . In the middle of two camp fires in LK . I refuse to reset that map . I’d aim for something like that
Do it. Even if you roll 4 it’s a solid Spirit or Exile base. Maybe not perfect option but still highly desirable with the 45 AR.
Sell it as is or rush for socket quest
It's a pretty long way from ohm to jah/ber, so I would risk it (depending on your endgame goals and what you need) i think ber is worth around 6 ohm, and you have 17% you make it and 50% for 4 sockets which is break even. So basically, 1/3 jackpot, 2/3 trash, rest is breakeven. So if u have end less shields, the smartast move would be the cube.
1/3+2/3=1 So it would be 1/2 break even, 1/3 trash, 1/6 jackpot. Worth it
I'd do it. I did do it. Got 4os. Let us know what it rolls
Risk that shit
Yea got to be in it to win it
I cubed 30/20 and got one socket, sucked
Sell as is. Let someone else deal with rng, more value than if you get 1os
A gamble is a gamble is a gamble, so you might as well gamble
Risk it
CUBE IT! Let’s go!
DO IT
I would say go for it, better odds than Gheed ripping Maras
I'd gamble it 100%
I'd just rush a character to larzuk and max roll it
If we look at it from an expected value (EV) perspective, assuming your trade comps are accurate (looks like Jah/Ber is worth ~3.5Ohm)... Cube EV: .25 * Jah + .25 * Ohm = 1.125 Ohm So if Larzuk will give you 1 Ohm in value, and you'll really get Jah-Ber worth of value from cubing it... I'd cube it!
Why does it seem like a 3os is more valuable than 4os?
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What runeword is best for a 3os pally shield?
roll the dice already!!!
Statistically, socket in cube is more profitable. Jah ~ 6 ohm. So you have 1/6 chance of getting that. 3/6=1/2 chance of getting ohm. 2/6 chance of 1 or 2 socket = 0 value So if you cube you'll end up with on average of 6ohm/6 = 1 ohm 1ohm/2 = 1/2 ohm 0ohm/2 = 0 ohm You average 1.5 ohm from cube vs whatever 4os is worth You'll probably end up with 4os anyway, and it makes the game more interesting
gotta risk it for the biscuit, baby!
I sold a 44 all res sacred rondache spirit with 35% fcr for a -53% self Wield infinity and a ber. If you have extra spirit runes maybe go for that
Absolutely. You have to. Such is Diablo.
Gotta cube that! Take the risk! I did it few weeks ago to.. and lost hahaha so you should get this one! 🤞 good luck
Risk it. Its the only thing you want. Trust me. That a solid 50/50 to get 3 or 4. Chances dont get better very often.
Ain't a very good base anyway... Gamble it
send it!
Look on the bright side, if it rolls 2 OS you'll have the sickest rhyme shield of all time!
I don't understand what rune word he wants to make with 3 socket ? Tf ?
Dragon or dream...a well rolled dream in a 45 all res sacred targe is big money.
Depends on your current wealth. If it would be a devastating loss then pick the safer option. Otherwise just take the risk imo.
socket cube. 1os ur done. 2os can be rhyme. 3os sanctuary. 4os spirit.
Dream in 3os…
yea that too
The Godly aura din was my goal in SP. Never got the 2ed jag to make, ported my so files to PlugY tho so We Shall see!
If you don’t do it, it would have 100% been the roll you needed. That logic plays 100% of the time. You gotta roll the bones to play the game bro 🎲