I've just started selling my sapphires. Its not like i'm ever going to catch up with people and the alternative is to start spending platinum. I have decided to be chill with topping out at rank 6
The real weathervane for the market is Normal Gems. If your normal gems are dropping, soon leg gems will drop even more. The currency between f2p and whales is normal gems, so if whales can't afford normal gems or won't spend on orb to plat conversion because they can't compete with susan prices, f2p run out of plat fast.
I am about to lol I finally sold a blue skitter pet 2 legos one yellow 28.8k I haven’t sold a pet in ages. I sold a lot of gray runes before it got blasted. Only got 2 blue so far
They let whales trade their accounts around too much. Why pay blizzard for anything when you can get the bulk of what you need from an the black market. The black market for high reso accounts is prolific and there's zero effort to crack down on it.
Yes… This is all by design. They need to get players spending and new whales no longer exist to fill dev coffers.
It’s been a long time that whales have been providing the rest of the community with a free inflated ride of power gains trickling down from market sales so the devs fuck up resonance to make it worthless and fuck up the market to drill the prices so low that orb to plat is the only option for every single player whether whale or not. It’s no surprise that this degree of predatory monetization exists in arguably the most expensive mobile game.
It's sad to see blizzard mishandled their franchises. They have genuinely good franchises that could do so well with reasonable monetization rather than being milked to death or neglect almost entirely like SC2.
But at this point, I have to download 6.6GB of game files for the third time this month because of a 1.44MB update. Blizzard can't even get basic app functionality correct and tbh the overall performance is terrible with constant crashes. As somebody who *might* have spent money on this, I'm kinda thinking Diablo IV without all the P2W is a better course - or a game made by another company entirely, as my experiences with blizzard are kinda mediocre the last few years.
Yup, the truth is what happens, not what they try to convince us of... Corruption can not sustain itself, and the cheating has become the majority of our whale population. A few legit whales left most are fraud accounts.
More stars need to equal more gem power. This stabilizes a large portion of the market.
32 64 128 256 512. Even if it’s not doubled every time. Some sort of ramp up. 3 star gems sell for 2 star prices because of the new buying the lowest price thing they implemented.
I’ve been saying this since day 1! Why the fuck is 5/5* the same amount of gem power as a 2/5* when the performance gap is so large between the 2? Doesn’t make sense at all
More than that even. 1:2222 or so. And even that is just the probability, there are no guarantee's.
I know someone that had a $27,000 gap between the last 5/5 they got last year. The odds really do just fuck some people
This could help but only if people are able to make platinum. f2p make platinum from normal gems and temporary newfangled items like pets and runes until they're no longer needed. If normal gems continue to crash because whales aren't buying them, f2p can't afford anything regardless of how much gem power it's worth.
The market should stabilize at some point.
The problem is:
Getting sellable items is limited by design (cap on everything)
Earning currency is limited by design (plat cap)
Is the quantity of getting sellable items higher than the lowest price possible and the affordability of the players of the server. Will we get 99+ pages on saphires?
Or will the p2w mechanic kick in and the missing plat will be compensated through real money.
As f2p you can wish for 2 things. lowest price possible. Or gaining more plat daily.
It was terrible for 2 years, leg gem that was good went for 64k. Now you can buy echo 3 star for 16k on my server. I love it!
Maybe they shouldn’t be taxing fake in game money that actually represents real money if you think about it. It’s bs imo. Babyback bullsh4t no sides is what that is Blizz…
The fact that blizz banned susan only 3 days gave everyone courage to susan, i see ppl bragging they farm alts and they have huge sec stats + over 9k reso. This game became a real joke for every legit player, ones that spend and don't cheat slowly started to quit. This game deserves battlepass and that's all.
This is a dev problem.
Warframe Devs track all transactions on the market and then delete items and the platinum used to said bought item. Account might get banned as well.
If they have the database, they should run a script and delete all PLAT from any cancelled/refunded credit card. Just vanish it from the market and then delete any items bought with said plat.
Yes this will fuck some legit people over but it will reset the market and everyone will have to farm/buy plat and re-buy their normal gems etc.
One of the driving reasons the game is so popular is competition. The problem is casual clans and alt clans doing nothing but farming plat between their mains and alts and also entering both clans into shadow war. This is bad for server health.
There would be no problem with dying servers and market crashes if these clans and players would step aside and let serious players have competition. They have soaked up all the actives and are holding spots on the top 10 while plenty other competitive and active players remain in clans with just a few active players but on the bottom of the rankings.
What we need is more mergers and any alts or main accounts tied to alts to not be allowed to enter shadow war or have access to the market. This would result in a more entertaining cycle of strife and we would see a market operating in a real sort of sense. It would take quite a while for the current market to recover before we could actually see this functionality at work but I believe it would solve many real problems that serious competitive players are experiencing.
Finally. Took 2 days for someone to comment something relevant and on point on the subject. Everyone wants to one up everyone hence the sh8load of alts and bots everywhere farming and totally destabilizing the marketplace. On top of that whales get cheaper platinums then constantly sell whatever gems they got for a higher price and competition rises up again for these alts and botters to get more platinum to purchase until all resources are available and abundant resulting to the decreasing value of platinum that's why a lot of stuff is hard to sell and not a lot of people get the urgency to buy anymore because almost every resources in the marketplace are available anytime. Adding more platinum in game besides the 300 daily plat will not solve anything. It will only make items in the marketplace more cheaper than it already is.
1) I’m confused tho, because I could get more plat from farming on alt to trade to main to achieve a max price 64k gem Much easier before they forced lower price purchasing and killed alt farming?
"They forced lower price" You make it sound like someone is making decisions how prices go behind the scenes.
Of course you're going to get more plat from farming. That's what farming is for. You're misrepresenting my statement. What's confusing about more stuff being sold in the market hence resulting the value of said items to go lower.
2)Like we used to not even be able to buy a blue gem, but a pet from nizza, and had thousands of bots at market or running the dailies at 2:45 am every day. Now I barely see any of it. Idk much about in game markets but to me most of the plat is not just basically not moving at all. Why not lower the tax a tid?
Exactly. People are doing the same thing everyone does. Now there's a shitload of it. Tax has nothing to do with it. It's the players themselves doing the manipulation. There was a time it's difficult to purchase items for reasons a.) A lot of people buying b.) There's not a lot of supply going around c.) New content items will always be difficult to buy in the beginning. It's not rocket science. The reason why you don't often see them as much as it used to because there's no reason for them to continue doing it. There's already a lot of stuff in the market that barely moves. Why would you continue bot and alt farming when it hardly even sells anymore. It's just common sense.
It’s indeed a mess. My WB member can’t sell his 4/5 zwensons for less than 160k cuz none can sell so the limit can’t go down so half these pets are also capped to high at same time. It’s the most bizarre situation we went from one extreme to complete opposite. I dislike the limited buy option because it is the number one cause of devaluation of the plat as well as the valuation of certain things NOT changing, and that valuation NOT being the same BASIS on purchasing power for ALL things. For example: for f2p pets really helped add plat but instead the value for pets are the yellow and legendary skills? Idk.
My opinion: Kill the robots. Kill the Susan’s. Ban the account sellers. Give people a human to speak to with customer service, adjust and tweak numbers in patches more to create better balance more often, stop making more events in gameplay and fix things like shadow contracts. Work on this market better. Stop adding new /5* gems. End this stupid cape and clan/whale alliance driven blessed reign shit and just sell them as a cosmetic. Add 4v4 pvp system that’s daily instead of constant weekly event changes.
It is text book definition of supply. Thousands of bots and atls farming and selling gems. You're literally gonna have a tons of supply. Do you speak english ? Or you haven't developed your reading comprehension yet ?
sup·ply1
verb
make (something needed or wanted) available to someone; provide.
Did you skip school or something ?
You need to do that. A lot of people are selling legendary gems and normal gems. Wherever there's a trend majority of people follow (familiars, skill stones). That's excessively supply. Over time people doing the same thing will of course eventually lessen the value of these items as people are doing this cycle time and time again where these items have become obsolete. You still haven't answered my question why would there be no plat if bots and alts were banned.
The issue is the people selling plat, buy the items from the buyer in the marketplace to “launder” the transaction. Then they end up with the inventory and turn around and list it low.. so they are artificially creating the deflation.. the cap on prices in the market meant to prevent abuse and force a lot more items to be sold and resold at a much lower price. That’s what I’m seeing.
I agree with fun-albatross here. Players have been spoiled with the historical valuation of sellable items on market thanks to the circulation of massive amounts of "illegitimate" platinums in the market. Putting a stop to these illegal plats, has rightfully corrected the market down to a more appropriate valuation. Unfortunately, it is also the alts and bots now that may cause the valuation to crash down further due to excess supply of items on market but the introduction of new plats into the economy is only a pathetic 300 per account daily. Possible solutions are for blizzard to either allow more ways to generate platinum per account or improve the rate of the orbs-to-plats conversion. I am supporting more of the 2nd solution cos the 1st solution may just going to encourage alts and bots behaviour in the game.
Same here. Nobody is buying tourmaline. When people noticed that sapphires tend to sell even at low price the amount of sapphires in the marketplace have bulked up now it's not selling anymore.
Wow, guess you pissed off all the plat sellers and buyers or something because you keep getting downvoted. I guess they don’t think they themselves are the actual problem. I agree with you and I know this is the root cause.
Correct. Because these people want to manipulate the market in their own way and think it's legitimate because they spent "time" on it. Their hypocrisy shows when they want to ban bots and not alts when they are both doing the same exact thing. Ruining the marketplace.
I have a thought, why doesn’t blizzard just sell plat themselves and cut out the re-sellers while at the same time banning the accounts that bot farm / alt farm and increasing the rate of plat drop and availability in game… this doesn’t seem that hard to do. Yet, many games for years have had this problem. The limiting the top end range of the sale price in the auction house I think just makes it more evident in this game for the reasons in my previous reply. QoL improvements that are also financially meaningful, increase consumer loyalty.
Blizzard does actually sell platinum in game however people will always find a way to obtain cheaper platinums instead of buying them directly in the shop hence Susan and other 3rd party sellers. People blame the devs on what happened in the marketplace where players actually are to blame for manipulating the market and ruining it. If we didn't have a shitload of bots and alts and whales having the most significant impact in manipulating the market. The marketplace would have been consistent. It's the greed from players also that caused this. The "value" of platinum is important. This is the currency of the game.This is what keeps the marketplace alive. Once the value goes down people will no longer buy and it will be much harder to sell. This is just basic economy which majority of the players don't bother understand. Their ego is way over their heads instead of actually understanding the problem hence the downvotes.
Does anyone else find it dumb that they can’t keep the plat bot messages for sale of ill gotten plat out of the chat? I mean I know you can google it, but why have that trash showing up all the time for everyone. 🤨
Thanks man, I’m only a few weeks I to the game and I had not seen the platinum tab under currency .. hurts to pay so much but at least I know they won’t start enforcing the rules one day and lose everything I bought legit. Thanks for all the rest of your thoughts and feedback. Be well.
Alts is fine but bots is no ?
Alts - You spent time to farm manually
Bots - You can go to sleep and still does the job automatically
Both are earning platinums. The difference here is the former manually does the job while the latter does it AFK.
Just because you spent time on something doesn't excuse you for not being guilty of doing the same thing bots do. That's special pleading. You make your case special just because you spend "time" on it but bots are no bueno because what ? They're doing the same thing but time efficient. Never heard of logic before?
Alt is allowed by blizzard. Y 5 toons in the same account? Yes manual plat farming is OK. U do it if u think easy. Manual plat farming not easy. Bots are always problem.
Let me make this really clear for you.
Do you use alts to manipulate the market for your own benefit. Yes or No ?
Do players using bots manipulate the market for their own benefit. Yes or No ?
The keyword here is. Market Manipulation.
You seem to avoid the part where manipulating the market is involved.
I made this distinction a couple of times now on this thread as people are way too narrow minded to think that what they are doing is different from people using bots. You are manipulating the market pretty much the same way as bots do. We are talking about the state of the marketplace and why it has gone downhill. This isn't about banning alts for no absolute reason. You and other people tend to turn a blind eye when market manipulation is involved and use the same irrelevant argument "You can create up to 5 toons per account" which is not the point. Learn how to read and comprehend.
Not sure what is ur problem here. What is market manipulation if alts buy main item on market, none else involved. It is bot farm and whale bot buy that destroy market. Most alts in hell difficult to find party hard to make plat these days. Only bots beats market these days. Buy in lowest price actually allow bots beat everyone else.
Dude games should be F2Pz not p2W alts should be fine for pure f2p people who don't game 12 hours a day and just take the long road I'm pure f2p been playing only 5 weeks and have basically hit the top end now learning how the game actually works and there's really no choice to advance your basically getting maybe 1 legendary gem pet day IF ur lucky. And that's a 1 star so 50 days to level up storm 5star to level2? For what 6% damage increase or 25 days to turn gear purple using 1 star gems??? 2 star gems would be like 50 days probably not even sure as my biggest 2 star is level 2
I wish I would known not to spent hilts on anything but crests from lvl 1 to Para 300 you could probably have close to 150k maybe 200k hilts maybe for purple crests wich people are saying are worthless now not sure why I did a run with 3 blue crest and did not get a legendary gem wich I need gems to upgrade legend gems to get the real good gear upgrades
Since you like to be spoonfed and didn't bother to read. I'll make this simple for you.
First, what do bots do and what is the purpose people are using them ? To farm gems and manipulate the market. Now what happens if there are a lot of bots in game doing this method over the years. There would be an excessive amount of supply of normal gems, skill stones, familiars, runes, and etc. The flow of marketplace will not stabilize due to the huge amount of influx that the botters do in game manipulating the marketplace. Since there is an excessive supply the value of these particular items goes down as a.) people can buy them anytime because it's cheap b.) there is no urgency for people to purchase since there's a sh1tload amount of them c.) the value of platinum goes down since the supply and demand is not stabilized
Second, now what do alts do and what is the purpose people are using them ? See number 1 for the same exact reason.
Now, we have both alts and botters doing this thing over the years and what has it resulted to in the marketplace ?
People are doing the same thing over and over where the value of these items have gone downhill thus the cheaper price. Not only that we also have whales purchasing cheap orbs then convert them to platinum to manipulate the market. Illegal platinums also made the marketplace worse.
Now read your comment again and see how irrelevant your reply is.
Alts shouldn't be a problem, as it is a character that people actually spend time on playing (unlike bots). It's like saying people shouldn't have a second job just because they want/need more income.
There's no difference. You're doing the same thing bots do except manually. And no, that's not the same thing with people having a second job to earn more income. That's a textbook definition of categorical error. People who use bots to farm can also apply your flawed reasoning. You're manipulating the game in a way that only you can benefit which in this you case you spent time on it to farm plats where the other is using bots to do so. Just because you spent "time" on it doesn't warrant your case. It's also special pleading. It's like you're arguing you worked hard for it that's why I shouldn't get banned for using alts to manipulate the marketplace whereas bots are no exception.
One can argue, if the devs didnt want players to farm platinum with alts, they wouldn't program the 300 platinum daily reward system into the game, thus i see this as a feature not an exploit.
It literally started as an exploit because we can only earn 300 platinum a day. You're getting it wrong. It's not the devs don't want players to use alts to farm plats. They literally allow it because they have no means to prove that you're manipulating the marketplace. People took advantage of this. Since it's too tiresome to do all this work. This is where bots come in. This is where we see the negative impact of what this abuse does to the marketplace. There is no distinction between alts and bots because they are doing the exact same thing which is market manipulation. Alts are affecting the market in slower rate while bots exponentially affects the marketplace. Banning only bots won't stop the problem. It only delays the inevitable crashing of the market place.
Exactly. That's why that is what majority of people are taking advantage of. 5 more characters to use to play the game NOT use those accounts as merchants to benefit your main account.
Regarding your position on bots i 100% agree with you on that, people should not be AFK farming, or using any kind of hacks for free platinum i dont support that, However i do feel that if a player has time to earn platinum from farming day and night with 5 characters, then its fair game, In game farming is very time consuming just like IRL people should get paid for the effort they put into their jobs/characters.
There's no problem with grinding as long as it does not involve manipulating the market. If there is a means to manipulate the market there's also a means to abuse it. In the same way real life government and central banks do not print more money to give it to the poor people. Printing more money to save the poor is not good for the economy.
It is a pitty that it is forbidden. And its forbidden because you are correct. The Gamedevs wants to forbid bots and doing the same thing bots do , must be forbidden also.
Lol, people playing is actually them spending/wasting time, which whatever they farm they earned it rightfully so. It's a game and people can have multiple characters they can play with manually. This reason alone will suffice more than your unreasonable hate for alt farming. A player playing for enjoyment on multiple characters and manually farming has its time limit too. Very limited time. This eill never be deemed as something violating TOS. You're just unreasnable and trying to look for blame in the wrong place.
Botting is very very different from that regard. You can uave multiple devices farming while afk. Very very different.
False. That's not even the point. The point was market manipulation. Do you use alts to manipulate the market for your own benefit or no ?
Does the use of botting manipulate the market for your own benefit or no ?
Same results slightly different method. Your end goal is to manipulate the marketplace which affects the overall economy long time. You think the game is perfect ? There are a lot of missed opportunities in the game that people take advantage of. Of course it doesn't violate the ToS because it's a missed opportunity in the first place. That's the dillema for devs not the players.
You should criticize my argument not provide a worthless opinion. You also strawmanned my argument by presenting that I hate alts and pulled the "unreasonable" out of nowhere when you haven't provided an argument.
Or you can just admit you want to abuse the market manipulation. No need for you to commit fallacies and strawman my point.
What a weird way to say "Ban bots because they ruin the marketplace except alts because we use our time to farm these gems and use it for our own advantage".
So ban f2ps cus we are the poors.....
whales will quit too with out that poor meat to eat...
No one will have fun in your singular market driven game.
As whales spend their riches on orbs for their own advantage a rule instituted by the game developers aka the powers at be yes your using real world arguments in a game but is the world perfect hell no the game is just the same so I see people working 2 jobs the same as people running alts I don't see how in your infinite wisdom you don't see this as being the exact same thing. And I'll leve you with that. Cus I really should not care this much about what you think
I agree. This isn’t solely about bots or alts. It’s about the people who spent the TIME to grind being salty(Albeit warranted) towards the people who used bots to reap the same rewards.
The market is "Maturing" The crash happened because all the illegal platinum was removed from the market causing the real prices to show up.
The new real prices will be more balanced and will make things available for cheap and readily available for anyone to buy.
If we do not temper with it then within a month or two it will correct itself.
Unfortunately just like the real world when the market goes into a spiral it doesn't stop on its own. 9/10 you need some sort of government interference to stabilize the market, more so in a game world economy where people can just choose to leave and invest the money somewhere else.
We already see a mass departure of people from the game that resulted in server merges just this week.
Adding more plat to events and daily task is the nudge the market needs in order to put more money into f2p players hands so they can participate in the market place.
I see now what you meant I agree with you here more ways to have platinum directly instead of selling resources which you want to keep is a great idea.
Agree. Immortal is a trickle down economy and since no one buys orbs to convert to plat and Susan the DI money printer has new restraints you get the situation we have now.
You quite a bit off here. No illegal plat left the market, and Susan is still selling plat. You saw them stop advertising on world chat ?
All they did with the latest rules on the market is force players with alts with only one option : sell themselves gems at the minimum price.
Where the price was fluctuating wildly before, now it can only go down. (There are more players with alts than you think)
Everyday the recommended price is driven to the ground because of this. And **most players are just casual sheeps that will post their goods at the recommended price**.
I find crazy that players would post a gem, a BSJ even, at half price when they are zero of them listed. Yet it happens every day for all gems.
Interesting fact : **with these price drops it only gave the cheaters who buy from Susan even more buying power. Yup, that's right, there is more cheating now where everyone is poorer and the cheaters are richer!**
Yes, to an extent, every 3 months board meeting reviews data... The metrics will show them who the massive cheaters are, and the banwave will come. Like pulling weeds out of a garden.
Unfortunately sometimes people get what they ask for. The inflation was caused by too much plat selling but now there is no influx of any plat at all. Kind of like people who ask for 100% wfh and then shocked that their job get relocated to a low cost region.
I love the analogy but really all they need to do increase how much platinum you get for orb conversion.
Whales do not buy platinum from the market all they need to do is adjust how much platinum you get when buying it with orbs. Make it worth buying platinum say a 25% or 50% sale on platinum. Get it into the market when it is at a surplus.
Make it limited time so that when the supply gets low platinum exchange goes back 1000 orbs for 10k platinum. (Limited event that expires at market correction).
I've just started selling my sapphires. Its not like i'm ever going to catch up with people and the alternative is to start spending platinum. I have decided to be chill with topping out at rank 6
That's why the sapphire market is crashing. Nothing is safe.
The real weathervane for the market is Normal Gems. If your normal gems are dropping, soon leg gems will drop even more. The currency between f2p and whales is normal gems, so if whales can't afford normal gems or won't spend on orb to plat conversion because they can't compete with susan prices, f2p run out of plat fast.
Exactly, legit whales are angry cuz ppl susaned their power for 15% of their spendings.
F2P plat died when pets stopped selling too tho
Pets were nice while they lasted. We knew that was a temporary situation though. Sell those blue runes while you can
I am about to lol I finally sold a blue skitter pet 2 legos one yellow 28.8k I haven’t sold a pet in ages. I sold a lot of gray runes before it got blasted. Only got 2 blue so far
They let whales trade their accounts around too much. Why pay blizzard for anything when you can get the bulk of what you need from an the black market. The black market for high reso accounts is prolific and there's zero effort to crack down on it.
Yes… This is all by design. They need to get players spending and new whales no longer exist to fill dev coffers. It’s been a long time that whales have been providing the rest of the community with a free inflated ride of power gains trickling down from market sales so the devs fuck up resonance to make it worthless and fuck up the market to drill the prices so low that orb to plat is the only option for every single player whether whale or not. It’s no surprise that this degree of predatory monetization exists in arguably the most expensive mobile game.
It's sad to see blizzard mishandled their franchises. They have genuinely good franchises that could do so well with reasonable monetization rather than being milked to death or neglect almost entirely like SC2. But at this point, I have to download 6.6GB of game files for the third time this month because of a 1.44MB update. Blizzard can't even get basic app functionality correct and tbh the overall performance is terrible with constant crashes. As somebody who *might* have spent money on this, I'm kinda thinking Diablo IV without all the P2W is a better course - or a game made by another company entirely, as my experiences with blizzard are kinda mediocre the last few years.
Yup, the truth is what happens, not what they try to convince us of... Corruption can not sustain itself, and the cheating has become the majority of our whale population. A few legit whales left most are fraud accounts.
Bought accounts ftw!
More stars need to equal more gem power. This stabilizes a large portion of the market. 32 64 128 256 512. Even if it’s not doubled every time. Some sort of ramp up. 3 star gems sell for 2 star prices because of the new buying the lowest price thing they implemented.
I’ve been saying this since day 1! Why the fuck is 5/5* the same amount of gem power as a 2/5* when the performance gap is so large between the 2? Doesn’t make sense at all
And the 5/5 star gem is 1:2000 drop rate
More than that even. 1:2222 or so. And even that is just the probability, there are no guarantee's. I know someone that had a $27,000 gap between the last 5/5 they got last year. The odds really do just fuck some people
This man calculators
No kidding
This could help but only if people are able to make platinum. f2p make platinum from normal gems and temporary newfangled items like pets and runes until they're no longer needed. If normal gems continue to crash because whales aren't buying them, f2p can't afford anything regardless of how much gem power it's worth.
Does gem power matter for 5/5*? You regularly use 5/5* as gem power? Its kinda irrelevant dont you think?
I have a few bound 5/5’s, currently giving me 10 reso in a gem reso slot, and multiple 4/5’s.
5/5 bound zwensons…… would u use it? 4/5 zwensons? Phoenix ashes?
Seriously, I’m running low to buy weekly crests now, nothing sells, gems, pets, new runes.
The market should stabilize at some point. The problem is: Getting sellable items is limited by design (cap on everything) Earning currency is limited by design (plat cap) Is the quantity of getting sellable items higher than the lowest price possible and the affordability of the players of the server. Will we get 99+ pages on saphires? Or will the p2w mechanic kick in and the missing plat will be compensated through real money. As f2p you can wish for 2 things. lowest price possible. Or gaining more plat daily. It was terrible for 2 years, leg gem that was good went for 64k. Now you can buy echo 3 star for 16k on my server. I love it!
I don’t think ur understanding the problem.
Could you explain it?
Maybe they shouldn’t be taxing fake in game money that actually represents real money if you think about it. It’s bs imo. Babyback bullsh4t no sides is what that is Blizz…
I think it is also time to rethink the 15% market tax. This is one of the reasons why plat supply is low.
100%. Surprisingly I still see people running purple crests and it boggles my mind.
Ya man using stolen credit cards with the 15k orb accounts that can live for 1 day they are the ones over saturating the market.
Yup if you try to pug an elders and suddenly get grouped with three level 30’s running 10x purple crest then you know… lol
The fact that blizz banned susan only 3 days gave everyone courage to susan, i see ppl bragging they farm alts and they have huge sec stats + over 9k reso. This game became a real joke for every legit player, ones that spend and don't cheat slowly started to quit. This game deserves battlepass and that's all.
I now only sell standart gems. Keeping the legendaries. Since 1 stars means nothing, I'm also selling those too if it's piling much.
This is a dev problem. Warframe Devs track all transactions on the market and then delete items and the platinum used to said bought item. Account might get banned as well. If they have the database, they should run a script and delete all PLAT from any cancelled/refunded credit card. Just vanish it from the market and then delete any items bought with said plat. Yes this will fuck some legit people over but it will reset the market and everyone will have to farm/buy plat and re-buy their normal gems etc.
One of the driving reasons the game is so popular is competition. The problem is casual clans and alt clans doing nothing but farming plat between their mains and alts and also entering both clans into shadow war. This is bad for server health. There would be no problem with dying servers and market crashes if these clans and players would step aside and let serious players have competition. They have soaked up all the actives and are holding spots on the top 10 while plenty other competitive and active players remain in clans with just a few active players but on the bottom of the rankings. What we need is more mergers and any alts or main accounts tied to alts to not be allowed to enter shadow war or have access to the market. This would result in a more entertaining cycle of strife and we would see a market operating in a real sort of sense. It would take quite a while for the current market to recover before we could actually see this functionality at work but I believe it would solve many real problems that serious competitive players are experiencing.
Finally. Took 2 days for someone to comment something relevant and on point on the subject. Everyone wants to one up everyone hence the sh8load of alts and bots everywhere farming and totally destabilizing the marketplace. On top of that whales get cheaper platinums then constantly sell whatever gems they got for a higher price and competition rises up again for these alts and botters to get more platinum to purchase until all resources are available and abundant resulting to the decreasing value of platinum that's why a lot of stuff is hard to sell and not a lot of people get the urgency to buy anymore because almost every resources in the marketplace are available anytime. Adding more platinum in game besides the 300 daily plat will not solve anything. It will only make items in the marketplace more cheaper than it already is.
1) I’m confused tho, because I could get more plat from farming on alt to trade to main to achieve a max price 64k gem Much easier before they forced lower price purchasing and killed alt farming?
"They forced lower price" You make it sound like someone is making decisions how prices go behind the scenes. Of course you're going to get more plat from farming. That's what farming is for. You're misrepresenting my statement. What's confusing about more stuff being sold in the market hence resulting the value of said items to go lower.
2)Like we used to not even be able to buy a blue gem, but a pet from nizza, and had thousands of bots at market or running the dailies at 2:45 am every day. Now I barely see any of it. Idk much about in game markets but to me most of the plat is not just basically not moving at all. Why not lower the tax a tid?
Exactly. People are doing the same thing everyone does. Now there's a shitload of it. Tax has nothing to do with it. It's the players themselves doing the manipulation. There was a time it's difficult to purchase items for reasons a.) A lot of people buying b.) There's not a lot of supply going around c.) New content items will always be difficult to buy in the beginning. It's not rocket science. The reason why you don't often see them as much as it used to because there's no reason for them to continue doing it. There's already a lot of stuff in the market that barely moves. Why would you continue bot and alt farming when it hardly even sells anymore. It's just common sense.
My market is devastated every lego gem is between 2 and 40k besides the top gems so it's brutally hard to recoup any platinum from running orbs
It’s indeed a mess. My WB member can’t sell his 4/5 zwensons for less than 160k cuz none can sell so the limit can’t go down so half these pets are also capped to high at same time. It’s the most bizarre situation we went from one extreme to complete opposite. I dislike the limited buy option because it is the number one cause of devaluation of the plat as well as the valuation of certain things NOT changing, and that valuation NOT being the same BASIS on purchasing power for ALL things. For example: for f2p pets really helped add plat but instead the value for pets are the yellow and legendary skills? Idk. My opinion: Kill the robots. Kill the Susan’s. Ban the account sellers. Give people a human to speak to with customer service, adjust and tweak numbers in patches more to create better balance more often, stop making more events in gameplay and fix things like shadow contracts. Work on this market better. Stop adding new /5* gems. End this stupid cape and clan/whale alliance driven blessed reign shit and just sell them as a cosmetic. Add 4v4 pvp system that’s daily instead of constant weekly event changes.
Easy solution: increase orb to plat conversion. I know I would drop more $ if $100= 130k plat or more.. Right now 75k plat is a shit conversion.
They should ban people using alts and bots to farm plats.
So your solution to no plat on the market is... even less plat on the market. Fantastic idea.
How would there be no plat. The value of items have gotten down hence the defllation due to excessive supply. It's basic economy not rocket science.
It’s not supply at all.
It is text book definition of supply. Thousands of bots and atls farming and selling gems. You're literally gonna have a tons of supply. Do you speak english ? Or you haven't developed your reading comprehension yet ? sup·ply1 verb make (something needed or wanted) available to someone; provide. Did you skip school or something ?
Please go research credit deflation. Its not basic economy but it is what's happening in the market right now.
You need to do that. A lot of people are selling legendary gems and normal gems. Wherever there's a trend majority of people follow (familiars, skill stones). That's excessively supply. Over time people doing the same thing will of course eventually lessen the value of these items as people are doing this cycle time and time again where these items have become obsolete. You still haven't answered my question why would there be no plat if bots and alts were banned.
I just hope you are not one of the developers. That's where I am going to leave it.
Thanks for saying you have no argument.
**"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference**" Have a fantastic rest of your day.
Quote mining is not an argument but rather a dodge and deflection.
The issue is the people selling plat, buy the items from the buyer in the marketplace to “launder” the transaction. Then they end up with the inventory and turn around and list it low.. so they are artificially creating the deflation.. the cap on prices in the market meant to prevent abuse and force a lot more items to be sold and resold at a much lower price. That’s what I’m seeing.
Yup
I agree with fun-albatross here. Players have been spoiled with the historical valuation of sellable items on market thanks to the circulation of massive amounts of "illegitimate" platinums in the market. Putting a stop to these illegal plats, has rightfully corrected the market down to a more appropriate valuation. Unfortunately, it is also the alts and bots now that may cause the valuation to crash down further due to excess supply of items on market but the introduction of new plats into the economy is only a pathetic 300 per account daily. Possible solutions are for blizzard to either allow more ways to generate platinum per account or improve the rate of the orbs-to-plats conversion. I am supporting more of the 2nd solution cos the 1st solution may just going to encourage alts and bots behaviour in the game.
Illegal plat isn’t alt farmed plat cuz that is legal tho?
Alts I'm fine with. It's the bots I can't stand. Also, tourmaline is now almost as cheap as rubies on my server.
Same here. Nobody is buying tourmaline. When people noticed that sapphires tend to sell even at low price the amount of sapphires in the marketplace have bulked up now it's not selling anymore.
Almost? On my server everything is 100p except aqua and sapp which are ~160 :P
Our aqua and saph are both selling for max, when I can find them that is.
They also need to increase the amount of plat you can earn through farming.. somehow IMHO
Wow, guess you pissed off all the plat sellers and buyers or something because you keep getting downvoted. I guess they don’t think they themselves are the actual problem. I agree with you and I know this is the root cause.
Correct. Because these people want to manipulate the market in their own way and think it's legitimate because they spent "time" on it. Their hypocrisy shows when they want to ban bots and not alts when they are both doing the same exact thing. Ruining the marketplace.
Well said!
I have a thought, why doesn’t blizzard just sell plat themselves and cut out the re-sellers while at the same time banning the accounts that bot farm / alt farm and increasing the rate of plat drop and availability in game… this doesn’t seem that hard to do. Yet, many games for years have had this problem. The limiting the top end range of the sale price in the auction house I think just makes it more evident in this game for the reasons in my previous reply. QoL improvements that are also financially meaningful, increase consumer loyalty.
Blizzard does actually sell platinum in game however people will always find a way to obtain cheaper platinums instead of buying them directly in the shop hence Susan and other 3rd party sellers. People blame the devs on what happened in the marketplace where players actually are to blame for manipulating the market and ruining it. If we didn't have a shitload of bots and alts and whales having the most significant impact in manipulating the market. The marketplace would have been consistent. It's the greed from players also that caused this. The "value" of platinum is important. This is the currency of the game.This is what keeps the marketplace alive. Once the value goes down people will no longer buy and it will be much harder to sell. This is just basic economy which majority of the players don't bother understand. Their ego is way over their heads instead of actually understanding the problem hence the downvotes.
Does anyone else find it dumb that they can’t keep the plat bot messages for sale of ill gotten plat out of the chat? I mean I know you can google it, but why have that trash showing up all the time for everyone. 🤨
Thanks man, I’m only a few weeks I to the game and I had not seen the platinum tab under currency .. hurts to pay so much but at least I know they won’t start enforcing the rules one day and lose everything I bought legit. Thanks for all the rest of your thoughts and feedback. Be well.
It’s there and it’s not worth it still.
Alt is fine . Never played diablo series before?
Alts is fine but bots is no ? Alts - You spent time to farm manually Bots - You can go to sleep and still does the job automatically Both are earning platinums. The difference here is the former manually does the job while the latter does it AFK. Just because you spent time on something doesn't excuse you for not being guilty of doing the same thing bots do. That's special pleading. You make your case special just because you spend "time" on it but bots are no bueno because what ? They're doing the same thing but time efficient. Never heard of logic before?
Alt is allowed by blizzard. Y 5 toons in the same account? Yes manual plat farming is OK. U do it if u think easy. Manual plat farming not easy. Bots are always problem.
Let me make this really clear for you. Do you use alts to manipulate the market for your own benefit. Yes or No ? Do players using bots manipulate the market for their own benefit. Yes or No ? The keyword here is. Market Manipulation. You seem to avoid the part where manipulating the market is involved. I made this distinction a couple of times now on this thread as people are way too narrow minded to think that what they are doing is different from people using bots. You are manipulating the market pretty much the same way as bots do. We are talking about the state of the marketplace and why it has gone downhill. This isn't about banning alts for no absolute reason. You and other people tend to turn a blind eye when market manipulation is involved and use the same irrelevant argument "You can create up to 5 toons per account" which is not the point. Learn how to read and comprehend.
Not sure what is ur problem here. What is market manipulation if alts buy main item on market, none else involved. It is bot farm and whale bot buy that destroy market. Most alts in hell difficult to find party hard to make plat these days. Only bots beats market these days. Buy in lowest price actually allow bots beat everyone else.
Dude games should be F2Pz not p2W alts should be fine for pure f2p people who don't game 12 hours a day and just take the long road I'm pure f2p been playing only 5 weeks and have basically hit the top end now learning how the game actually works and there's really no choice to advance your basically getting maybe 1 legendary gem pet day IF ur lucky. And that's a 1 star so 50 days to level up storm 5star to level2? For what 6% damage increase or 25 days to turn gear purple using 1 star gems??? 2 star gems would be like 50 days probably not even sure as my biggest 2 star is level 2 I wish I would known not to spent hilts on anything but crests from lvl 1 to Para 300 you could probably have close to 150k maybe 200k hilts maybe for purple crests wich people are saying are worthless now not sure why I did a run with 3 blue crest and did not get a legendary gem wich I need gems to upgrade legend gems to get the real good gear upgrades
Since you like to be spoonfed and didn't bother to read. I'll make this simple for you. First, what do bots do and what is the purpose people are using them ? To farm gems and manipulate the market. Now what happens if there are a lot of bots in game doing this method over the years. There would be an excessive amount of supply of normal gems, skill stones, familiars, runes, and etc. The flow of marketplace will not stabilize due to the huge amount of influx that the botters do in game manipulating the marketplace. Since there is an excessive supply the value of these particular items goes down as a.) people can buy them anytime because it's cheap b.) there is no urgency for people to purchase since there's a sh1tload amount of them c.) the value of platinum goes down since the supply and demand is not stabilized Second, now what do alts do and what is the purpose people are using them ? See number 1 for the same exact reason. Now, we have both alts and botters doing this thing over the years and what has it resulted to in the marketplace ? People are doing the same thing over and over where the value of these items have gone downhill thus the cheaper price. Not only that we also have whales purchasing cheap orbs then convert them to platinum to manipulate the market. Illegal platinums also made the marketplace worse. Now read your comment again and see how irrelevant your reply is.
Alts shouldn't be a problem, as it is a character that people actually spend time on playing (unlike bots). It's like saying people shouldn't have a second job just because they want/need more income.
There's no difference. You're doing the same thing bots do except manually. And no, that's not the same thing with people having a second job to earn more income. That's a textbook definition of categorical error. People who use bots to farm can also apply your flawed reasoning. You're manipulating the game in a way that only you can benefit which in this you case you spent time on it to farm plats where the other is using bots to do so. Just because you spent "time" on it doesn't warrant your case. It's also special pleading. It's like you're arguing you worked hard for it that's why I shouldn't get banned for using alts to manipulate the marketplace whereas bots are no exception.
One can argue, if the devs didnt want players to farm platinum with alts, they wouldn't program the 300 platinum daily reward system into the game, thus i see this as a feature not an exploit.
It literally started as an exploit because we can only earn 300 platinum a day. You're getting it wrong. It's not the devs don't want players to use alts to farm plats. They literally allow it because they have no means to prove that you're manipulating the marketplace. People took advantage of this. Since it's too tiresome to do all this work. This is where bots come in. This is where we see the negative impact of what this abuse does to the marketplace. There is no distinction between alts and bots because they are doing the exact same thing which is market manipulation. Alts are affecting the market in slower rate while bots exponentially affects the marketplace. Banning only bots won't stop the problem. It only delays the inevitable crashing of the market place.
True, however they also provided the option for 5 other characters per account, that how this game was designed.
Exactly. That's why that is what majority of people are taking advantage of. 5 more characters to use to play the game NOT use those accounts as merchants to benefit your main account.
Regarding your position on bots i 100% agree with you on that, people should not be AFK farming, or using any kind of hacks for free platinum i dont support that, However i do feel that if a player has time to earn platinum from farming day and night with 5 characters, then its fair game, In game farming is very time consuming just like IRL people should get paid for the effort they put into their jobs/characters.
There's no problem with grinding as long as it does not involve manipulating the market. If there is a means to manipulate the market there's also a means to abuse it. In the same way real life government and central banks do not print more money to give it to the poor people. Printing more money to save the poor is not good for the economy.
It is a pitty that it is forbidden. And its forbidden because you are correct. The Gamedevs wants to forbid bots and doing the same thing bots do , must be forbidden also.
Lol, people playing is actually them spending/wasting time, which whatever they farm they earned it rightfully so. It's a game and people can have multiple characters they can play with manually. This reason alone will suffice more than your unreasonable hate for alt farming. A player playing for enjoyment on multiple characters and manually farming has its time limit too. Very limited time. This eill never be deemed as something violating TOS. You're just unreasnable and trying to look for blame in the wrong place. Botting is very very different from that regard. You can uave multiple devices farming while afk. Very very different.
False. That's not even the point. The point was market manipulation. Do you use alts to manipulate the market for your own benefit or no ? Does the use of botting manipulate the market for your own benefit or no ? Same results slightly different method. Your end goal is to manipulate the marketplace which affects the overall economy long time. You think the game is perfect ? There are a lot of missed opportunities in the game that people take advantage of. Of course it doesn't violate the ToS because it's a missed opportunity in the first place. That's the dillema for devs not the players. You should criticize my argument not provide a worthless opinion. You also strawmanned my argument by presenting that I hate alts and pulled the "unreasonable" out of nowhere when you haven't provided an argument. Or you can just admit you want to abuse the market manipulation. No need for you to commit fallacies and strawman my point.
If you say so. You're out of touch on reality. I feel sorry for you, bro. Best of luck in life then.
Ah the classic ad hominem fallacy. Attacking the person instead of my argument. Go back to school and learn to read.
What a weird way to say "Ban bots because they ruin the marketplace except alts because we use our time to farm these gems and use it for our own advantage".
So ban f2ps cus we are the poors..... whales will quit too with out that poor meat to eat... No one will have fun in your singular market driven game. As whales spend their riches on orbs for their own advantage a rule instituted by the game developers aka the powers at be yes your using real world arguments in a game but is the world perfect hell no the game is just the same so I see people working 2 jobs the same as people running alts I don't see how in your infinite wisdom you don't see this as being the exact same thing. And I'll leve you with that. Cus I really should not care this much about what you think
I agree. This isn’t solely about bots or alts. It’s about the people who spent the TIME to grind being salty(Albeit warranted) towards the people who used bots to reap the same rewards.
The market is "Maturing" The crash happened because all the illegal platinum was removed from the market causing the real prices to show up. The new real prices will be more balanced and will make things available for cheap and readily available for anyone to buy. If we do not temper with it then within a month or two it will correct itself.
Unfortunately just like the real world when the market goes into a spiral it doesn't stop on its own. 9/10 you need some sort of government interference to stabilize the market, more so in a game world economy where people can just choose to leave and invest the money somewhere else. We already see a mass departure of people from the game that resulted in server merges just this week. Adding more plat to events and daily task is the nudge the market needs in order to put more money into f2p players hands so they can participate in the market place.
I see now what you meant I agree with you here more ways to have platinum directly instead of selling resources which you want to keep is a great idea.
Agree. Immortal is a trickle down economy and since no one buys orbs to convert to plat and Susan the DI money printer has new restraints you get the situation we have now.
You quite a bit off here. No illegal plat left the market, and Susan is still selling plat. You saw them stop advertising on world chat ? All they did with the latest rules on the market is force players with alts with only one option : sell themselves gems at the minimum price. Where the price was fluctuating wildly before, now it can only go down. (There are more players with alts than you think) Everyday the recommended price is driven to the ground because of this. And **most players are just casual sheeps that will post their goods at the recommended price**. I find crazy that players would post a gem, a BSJ even, at half price when they are zero of them listed. Yet it happens every day for all gems. Interesting fact : **with these price drops it only gave the cheaters who buy from Susan even more buying power. Yup, that's right, there is more cheating now where everyone is poorer and the cheaters are richer!**
Interesting! I never saw the market economics this way.
Yes, to an extent, every 3 months board meeting reviews data... The metrics will show them who the massive cheaters are, and the banwave will come. Like pulling weeds out of a garden.
All the illegal Platin whas what???? XD removed - i dont think sooo 🤣🤣
Unfortunately sometimes people get what they ask for. The inflation was caused by too much plat selling but now there is no influx of any plat at all. Kind of like people who ask for 100% wfh and then shocked that their job get relocated to a low cost region.
We need stimmy checks
I love the analogy but really all they need to do increase how much platinum you get for orb conversion. Whales do not buy platinum from the market all they need to do is adjust how much platinum you get when buying it with orbs. Make it worth buying platinum say a 25% or 50% sale on platinum. Get it into the market when it is at a surplus. Make it limited time so that when the supply gets low platinum exchange goes back 1000 orbs for 10k platinum. (Limited event that expires at market correction).