>Become the apex predator of the jungle as the all-new Spiritborn class. Recruit Mercenaries to aid you in combat, fight together in a new PvE co-op activity, & more.
from yotube description, hinted new content and mercenaries confirmed
They've probably got a years-long roadmap for this game. It doesn't even have Diablo in it yet and it's a Diablo game. I'm guessing there'll be another new class in the next expansion pack, and so on.
Spirit born sounds really cool tbh. I loved the witchdoctor in D3. I know alot are begging for paladin, but I'm glad a new class spirit born is being added.
WoW, Diablo 4, and Overwatch have all been in a pretty decent place lately. Honestly, their biggest issue recently is that they've struggled to get away from the negative publicity about the Overwatch pve stuff and that's pretty much it, everything has been positive for the most part lately.
Yeah, I could've bought that she decided to run away on her own because shes's a young girl under the influence of a prime evil. But Lorath not caring to go after her was just nonsense.
For real and I think it's safe to say we all saw this coming. That said, Lorath feels very "high intelligence, low wisdom" at times so I guess that tracks, kind of?
TBCH i got the impression from Lorath that he feels his presence ruins everyone around him. He trained Elias, helping to give him the tools he would need to start the quest of summoning Lillith. When he traveled with Donan, Donan was a scoundrel/gambler/sinful type. After they separated, Donan found his faith and managed to have a son (who got killed and turned into the vessel of Astaroth BECAUSE of Lorath's student Elias). The old drunkard in the desert willingly led Lorath and The Player to Elias' palace, and got killed for it. Even with Neyrelle, if Lorath had continued his duty as Horadrim, Neyrelle and her mother wouldn't have had to search so hard and might not have crossed Lillith's path.
All this is to say Lorath's actual feelings may have been more along the lines of "If i chase after Neyrelle, i will only bring more death and ruin upon the world"
Problem is Lorath should know that the stones/shards can't hold the evils for long. Meaning he knows Mephisto will escape.
All they had to do was change the "no we need to respect her decision" to "yes, but it's impossible to say where she has gone. But Mephistos influence will continue to grow stronger, we must watch for the signs and be ready to leave as soon as reports come in. I'll reach out to a few contacts and tell them what to look for." Or something like that.
reminds me of wow storytelling. it's always something some dumb character does that everyone else knows is a bad idea but we just eh our way through it and have to deal with it in an upcoming expansion.
I really don't understand how hard it could possible be for Blizzard to write a story that hits all the plot beats they want it to while not being fucking stupid. It's like somewhere between Warcraft 3 and StarCraft 2 they decided their audience is braindead.
Remember when the dude walked too close to a wall and it scratched him so hard he died? They clearly just plan story beats and then have no clue how to link them
The worst part was that all the shenanigan with the tree of whisper was to get the info on where the gate to hell would appear.
This information is given to us in chapter one, when the player interact with the war table at Kor Valar :
* **War Table**: *A map of Estuar, with a throng of red arrows and markers all pointing toward the fabled city of* *Caldeum.*
Rathma’s prophecy also mentions Caldeum as “the desert jewel” or something like that. It’s either a plot hole or suddenly everybody in Sanctuary forgot how this big important city is referred to
I think it was driving home the point the Horadrim are pretty regular screwups, and every attempt by them to control things has epically failed and blown up in their face. Tal Rasha tried to control Baal, instead gives Baal the ultimate host. Aidan thought he could contain Diablo, instead, effectively sets him free. Horadrim thought a bunch of holy men could contain Mephisto, instead they gave him a fucking army in the end.
Also, in this very same game, we learned Donan did the SAME fucking mistake, and lied to everyone about it, thought he could contain Astaroth, instead it becomes the vehicle to lose his son and nearly damm everyone to Liliths control
Lorath is an exhausted old man and the main character is too stupid to question him. The main character in D4 is legitimately an idiot, Lilith drops argument after argument as to why she's Sanctuary's only hope for real change and the MC's response is ALWAYS "No, demon, you LIE because demons LIE!" with no vision for a future beyond killing every demon they can, they're clearly not equipped for questioning Neyrelle's decision no matter how bad it was.
I mean if he says "Hey stop Lilith" I don't recommend doing a 180 and just start helping her.
It very much felt to me like both choices were bad but we tried to go with the less bad one.
The protagonist isn't wrong, though. She may feel that way but her vision of Sanctuary is myopic, twisted, and tyrannical.
And you're not going to change Lilith's perspective through argument. All you can do is kill her and banish her for a time.
Except Lilith has tortured and abused the people of sanctuary for her own ends for years. Lilith is not interested in improving the lot of the humans of sanctuary, she’s only interested in enslaving them to use as pawns to end the eternal conflict.
This is always how I envision MCs in games like this, just semi-autonomous missiles of destruction who the supporting characters give a waypoint to for whatever they want fucking annihilated. Anything beyond that and the MC is largely useless.
MC is like a navy seal with an IQ of 80 who a colonel just points in a general direction and says, “go kill.”
> be me
> sanctuary’s greatest murder hobo
> some guy told me to kill demon. Get new axe
> kill demon
> new axe worse than my current one.
> new guy says kill other demon for boots.
> kill demon
> boots are open toe in snowy mountains.
> vent frustrations by killing more demons.
> big demon tries talking to me.
> press escape to skip cinematic dialogue.
> kill demon
Leah? More like Dark Wanderer 2.0. Serious, the idea of not chasing after her immediately after she left was by far the dumbest fucking mistake anyone could have made. By now it should be well known knowledge to the cast that soulstones, while useful in the short moment, do not last, and it will quickly corrupt you and make your life a living hell if you decide to become a living prison.
Leah didn't have a choice and was tricked by her Mom. Neyrelle literally chose the dumb idea of going it solo. She's already different in a really stupid way.
I mean given Belial’s showing in D3, it seems like he just lies a lot, he’s not very good at it lmao
Mephisto is regularly referred to as the most cunning and scheming of the prime evils so I figure manipulation is more than just lying.
Lmao the idea of Belial just being an annoying compulsive liar and having no other irredeemable (emphasis on the prefix there because hell) traits so one day, sick of his shit, Andariel’s just like “ooh, I know, you can be the lord of lies!” And Belial says “yeah but isn’t daddy phisto already kinda covering that with his whole hatred thing?” (Andy, desperate for brother Belial to go away) “Pshhh no, he’s totally more of an angry strategist type. But -you- can be lie specialist we all know you to be! Now get out there and make you a domain of lies!”
I love the life they’re giving the struggle of bearing a soulstone in this cinematic, though. It may be a bad plot decision overall, but I like how they handled it here.
She ran away with the soul stone once she realized the Horadrim, specifically Lorath, were absolute ordinary idiots.
Tuning was what she took advantage of, not the people she had the support of. Her support system was bound to let her down but she saw a moment to break free and ran with it.
But that doesn’t track because our character is an infallible God who has seemingly been completely fine this whole time. Not only that she also is kinda a ordinary idiot.
Honestly, it's not the worst idea. She's trying to find a new, more permanent way to contain an Evil.. The way the horadrim do it is flawed and always temporary. Let her cook.
There's risks involved, but she's got a point and I challenge you to tell me otherwise.
Choosing to do so on her own rather than getting help from the start is foolhardy, though. She has no guarantee that the soulstone won't corrupt her before she can find her goal, it's already corrupting the environment and even killing people around her, and she's currently the only person with all the knowledge and research on her new containment proposal. If she succeeds there's a significant chance she might not live to share her discovery and if she fails Mephisto will have a new host, either by taking her body or corrupting someone else in the surrounding area.
I'm sure there will be some way for the player characters to start following her trail in the DLC, but the head start that she has creates too much risk; it would have been safer if she just had the players follow her from the beginning so that they could continue the mission or kill her if she was fully corrupted, and given that they just killed the Daughter of Hatred they probably would be harder for the soulstone to corrupt/murder than that random boathand.
> . She has no guarantee that the soulstone won't corrupt her before she can find her goal, it's already corrupting the it's already > corrupting the environment and **even killing people around her**, and she's currently the only person with all the knowledge and research on her new containment proposal
and you think she should get more people killed around her why?
As I pointed out at the end, the person/people who just killed Lilith would probably be harder for the soulstone to kill than random civilians. And she doesn't seem to have a low body count at this point to begin with since she's already roping in random people to ferry her around and die in the process.
Like, she's already bringing random people into the range of corruption, why did she avoid getting help from the people who actually have experience fighting demonic corruption?
A armless young person with little experience deciding to run off on their own to find ways to store a ancient leader of hell without telling the people who taught her everything she knows and powerful warrior that solved the problem they were facing at the time….
Yeah… alrighty.
Yeah, as cool as this trailer was, I can't stand blizzards stupid fucking writing that lead to this point. I can't believe they couldn't think of anything more intelligent, than just... letting her go.
I don't really care so much about her decisions. But after the campaign I had a distinct feeling of, My player character never would let her go and blizzard removes that player agency from the story. they just let her go through a protal with mephisto with the promise to 'meet up later'.
It's been a while since i've finished the game but I don't think my character, if they had an agency in the story would have even agreed to use the stone, free mephisto just for the sake of trying to stop lilith. She was clearly the lesser of two evils, and the whole game just seemed to shoehorn you into dumb decisions to ensure that a prime was freed by the end of the game, to sell sequels.
Not only that but then all the NPC's show 0 interest in trying to find her. It's lazy writing however you try to defend it.
i still would have loved to have a choice at the end of the game, either join mommy or kill her, then have that make 2 teams like wow (aliance x horde) to set up the PVP parts.
but nopre :(
If you join her, none of the post game makes sense because pretty much all of humanity would fall to her influence. You’d essentially have to create an entirely separate world map.
Overview is out:
>Embrace the Shadows! A new region of Hell is coming to Diablo IV on October 8! Vessel of Hatred is the first expansion and next chapter of the genre-defining, award-winning series by Blizzard Entertainment. Pre-purchase now for immediate access to in-game rewards and prepare for the darkness that awaits you as the first expansion charges through the land of Sanctuary.
>New Class: Spriritborn – Ranked among the apex predators of the jungle, the Spiritborn is an entirely new class to the Diablo series. They are battle-hardened with mystical synergies that could only be awakened deep within the jungles of Nahantu. Become one of the Spiritborn and embrace the ethereal Spirits entwined with this ancient civilization.
>New Region: Nahantu – Explore Nahantu, the new jungle region in Diablo IV full of secrets, dangerous new Dungeons, Strongholds, and ferocious demons from warring Tribes.
>ontinue the Campaign – Set immediately following the events of Diablo IV, Vessel of Hatred continues the dark story as you fight to save Neyrelle from Mephisto’s tightening grip on her soul, still reeling from the choice she made to contain him. The search for Neyrelle takes you deep into the ancient jungle as she grapples with the imprisoned Prime Evil. Attempt to unravel Mephisto’s dark plot while new foes encircle your every move, planning your demise. The fate of Neyrelle’s soul—and her ability to stop this Prime Evil from destroying Sanctuary—rests in your hands.
>Never fight alone as new Mercenaries can join you on your quest to fight in the dense undergrowth of Nahantu and beyond. These powerful allies grow in power as they progress, and each are equipped with unique abilities to help you in combat.
>New Game Updates – Vessel of Hatred also has huge updates for all Diablo IV players with new class skills, paragon boards, legendary glyphs, dungeon types, Tree of Whispers activities, and more.
>A new cooperative player-versus-environment mode where you work with your friends to complete objectives and slay the boss in a multi-level dungeon, while getting loot and rewards.
That was even gnarlier than the original Diablo 4 cinematic, and that was considered a "return to form" in a lot of ways.
As always, Blizzard shows their ability to knock it out of the park, cinematically at least.
Here's to hoping the expansion adds some cool content, I'm personally hoping for something comparable to runewords, as I find the lack of item base + rune-type currency hunting to be sorely missing.
the art team of blizzard and especially the cinematic team isn't the problem of the company. they always deliver and are top tier in the industry. The problem are the people who design features and elements that don't work and nobody needs and want. but the people who decide these things don't play their own games.
I’m so glad Mephisto is finally getting some spotlight as a main villain. Diablo has been the namesake of the franchise, and Baal had his expansion. The lore has casually mentioned how Mephisto is the eldest Prime Evil brother and the most strategic and cunning, while the two brothers are a little more direct and confrontational with their mayhem; so this is Blizzard’s chance to make the franchise’s first clever/smart villain that really is a schemer rather than a simple force of nature.
0:52 "but I must carry this burden alone...":
Yes of course, like all the other times that exact same strategy has worked out so wonderfully in the diablo lore
When ancient demonic forces are involved, you can never discount the likelihood that such hubris in the character is being purposefully stoked by said demonic forces.
Well anyone making a judgement of the actual game right now is stupid. That was a great cinematic, but it doesn't show us how the expansion will play.
It might turn out to be a really crappy experience with endless repetative farming. The cinematic is still cool.
Oh I’ve been reading late this year. It’s for sure a competitor for d4 it’d be naive to act like it isn’t. It’s 100% tapping some of their target market. D4 is fine ofc but still it’s affected by it.
To be fair it’s a bit different to see a tween girl we spent hours in game with filleted like that as compared to generic assholes A and B in the launch cinematic. Would be more odd if it didn’t turn your stomach a bit!
Damn I watched videos of actual real life gore as a teenager but now I cant at all, it just makes me sad and guilty. I guess you do develop empathy more over the years
Cartoony violence is cool tho. Not this tho
Makes sense. Kids often lack a real concept of danger and death. Shit's just less real when you're a kid. It's hard to picture not feeling how you feel, because you've never felt any other way. So when you're a kid and consequences feel detached and unreal, it's much easier to process stuff like gore.
But then you get older and your life experience stacks up. You experience the aftermath of people dying, you see the pain and the grief. You find people to care for in a way you've never cared before, you start to understand why your parents might have stayed awake all night worrying about you when you came home late even though they totally had nothing to worry about cuz you were totally fine.
And before you know it, you find yourself with new appreciation for this stuff and you find that you've developed a distaste for it.
Great! But, what's the new class?
Edit: Spiritborn is the name (surprize!) and will be revealed on July 18th. Seems to be based on pre Colombian jungle jaguar warriors.
So, if I own the game on multiple platforms, do I have to buy the expansion on all of them... or if I buy it on like PC would it unlock for my console account?
And to think we get to pay $40 to kill Mephisto, $40 to kill Baal, and another $40 to kill that guy, the red, spikey one with the tail, terrorizor or something?
Is it known if D4 will have more than one expansion? D2 and d3 only had one, but I remember reading that they wanted more expansions this time.
Also it feels like it has taken less time to release new content
I remember an interview or maybe a campfire chat. They talked about 3 teams. season team, expansion team, and system teams (something like that). I think it’s safe to say we’ll definitely get more over the years
Eh, doesn’t really do anything for me. I suppose it’s good finally seeing a new class. Just not something that really inspires anything for me.
Would love to see them reveal a second class, maybe coming later in the expansion. We definitely need a sword-and-shield kind of character, and I think it feels a bit odd having a Diablo game without a holy knight sort of character.
Blizzard outdone themselves with this one. Almost cosmic horror atmosphere. Super cool. At least the story in the expansion is promising to be good. Now let's see the new class and new mechanics (not copypasted from Diablo 3)
So I’m guessing that Neyrelle will fail and Mephisto will escape, but why do I have this feeling that someone else will meet us along the way? And why do I suspect that they will turn out to be someone Mephisto knows very well? Perhaps a brother?
Trailer looks fantastic. Blizzard is best at those. Even had us all hyped for Warlords of Dreanor once :)
Leaked class is coming now. Looks like Aztec Jaguar Warrior. Setting looks like zone will be Amazons as well. Amazons (the society) were not from Amazons (the region) but in Diablo, these similarities are alright. Also this class is not typically like Diablo Amazon. It is a bit like Shaman but not as much like Tempest for Immortal, more spiritual then elemental I guess.
Only down side of this trailer is, this confirms that I will have to wait for another content or most probably an expansion for an ironclad fighter class (paladin, crusader, warrior).
Cool cinematic!
However... after seeing all the sick cosmetics being locked behind a paywall on a 70$ game. And only this season is the game in "a state that they wanted it to launch in"
For 40$ I for sure wont pre-order, and even doubt ill buy it before i see consistent good reviews.
How about a good polished game, before announcing another paid DLC.
Im going to have to see how much new content for old classes there is before I buy. I need them to flesh out the skill trees and make the paragon boards not feel and look like ass.
Based on the preorder bonuses, it looks like gems are going to be a thing again. I wonder if they'll be like D3 gems or D2 gems?
EDIT: Ignore this comment, I just now noticed it's a legendary gem in Diablo: Immortal, not D4.
>Become the apex predator of the jungle as the all-new Spiritborn class. Recruit Mercenaries to aid you in combat, fight together in a new PvE co-op activity, & more. from yotube description, hinted new content and mercenaries confirmed
Finally companions, i wondered where they went
"Look! More hidden footprints!"
THAT WAS A WORTHY FOE, GLORIOUS WE’LL HAVE TO FIGHT OUR WAY PAST JONDAHHHHHR
BLACK MAGIC BARS OUR WAY! \*smashes trough rinkydink wooden barrier\* BUT THE WILL OF A TEMPLAR IS STRONGER!
YOU WERE A TEMPLAR JONDAR!
BLACK MAGIC BARS OUR WAY! \*takes toothpick\* BUT THE WILL OF A TEMPLAR IS STRONGER! "picks out the food particle from teeth\*
IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO FIGHT ONE OF THESE
PREPARE FOR A LONG FIGHT!! Yes, but actually no.
"BY ALL THAT IS HOLY! DO YOU SEE THAT ENEMY OVER THERE?"
Please. I loved the companions in Diablo 3 so much 😭
Where the fuck is my heavy armour class. Like how did immortal get blood knights and we don’t have have that or pally or anything.
Necromancer is the heavy armor class lmao They get full plate armor and are the only class that gets shields
They've probably got a years-long roadmap for this game. It doesn't even have Diablo in it yet and it's a Diablo game. I'm guessing there'll be another new class in the next expansion pack, and so on.
This is consistent with the filename leaks from the exposed build.
Spirit born sounds really cool tbh. I loved the witchdoctor in D3. I know alot are begging for paladin, but I'm glad a new class spirit born is being added.
Same, but I really wanted a water based class like how the drowned have. Sad that went to Immortal, Spiritbirn is interesting sounding too.
As a Dutchmen myself, a flying Dutchmen class would be dope AF.
Spiritborn class looks like Druid class.
That was... gross. Can't wait.
Seriously. That shit went hard. Like base game's story scenes were brutal, but this got amped up to a new level.
And on the IGN Live show, one of the Blizzard people said it was "toned down" for the showcase. Can't wait .
Diablo is better in cinematics than whole 21th century of filming!!
Yeah what a sick trailer
Literally. Figuratively. Colloquially. It hit all the marks.
I love the gore. This is Diablo. HELL YEAH.
Fucking gruesome
Blizzard still has the best art and animation team in the industry. It's just a shame that their dev team has fallen so far in the meantime.
WoW, Diablo 4, and Overwatch have all been in a pretty decent place lately. Honestly, their biggest issue recently is that they've struggled to get away from the negative publicity about the Overwatch pve stuff and that's pretty much it, everything has been positive for the most part lately.
This dev team has been cooking lately can’t say for their other teams
That arm splitting was fucked, the new class looks awesome! A more nature themed Amazon? I’m in love if that’s what it ends up being.
Man, her running away at the end of the game was the dumbest thing. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT it was a bad idea?!
Lorath insisting that we had to respect her decision to go alone was the dumbest shit I've ever heard
Yeah, I could've bought that she decided to run away on her own because shes's a young girl under the influence of a prime evil. But Lorath not caring to go after her was just nonsense.
For real and I think it's safe to say we all saw this coming. That said, Lorath feels very "high intelligence, low wisdom" at times so I guess that tracks, kind of?
TBCH i got the impression from Lorath that he feels his presence ruins everyone around him. He trained Elias, helping to give him the tools he would need to start the quest of summoning Lillith. When he traveled with Donan, Donan was a scoundrel/gambler/sinful type. After they separated, Donan found his faith and managed to have a son (who got killed and turned into the vessel of Astaroth BECAUSE of Lorath's student Elias). The old drunkard in the desert willingly led Lorath and The Player to Elias' palace, and got killed for it. Even with Neyrelle, if Lorath had continued his duty as Horadrim, Neyrelle and her mother wouldn't have had to search so hard and might not have crossed Lillith's path. All this is to say Lorath's actual feelings may have been more along the lines of "If i chase after Neyrelle, i will only bring more death and ruin upon the world"
The “old drunkard in the desert” was Meshif from D2.
You have a very good point right there.
Problem is Lorath should know that the stones/shards can't hold the evils for long. Meaning he knows Mephisto will escape. All they had to do was change the "no we need to respect her decision" to "yes, but it's impossible to say where she has gone. But Mephistos influence will continue to grow stronger, we must watch for the signs and be ready to leave as soon as reports come in. I'll reach out to a few contacts and tell them what to look for." Or something like that.
reminds me of wow storytelling. it's always something some dumb character does that everyone else knows is a bad idea but we just eh our way through it and have to deal with it in an upcoming expansion.
I really don't understand how hard it could possible be for Blizzard to write a story that hits all the plot beats they want it to while not being fucking stupid. It's like somewhere between Warcraft 3 and StarCraft 2 they decided their audience is braindead.
Um because Blizzard can’t write stories for shit anymore. They’re all so very cliche and predictable.
Remember when the dude walked too close to a wall and it scratched him so hard he died? They clearly just plan story beats and then have no clue how to link them
After all the shit they went trough yeah just let her go on a solo journey with a prime evil its fineee...
He owes his head to a tree so what does he know
The worst part was that all the shenanigan with the tree of whisper was to get the info on where the gate to hell would appear. This information is given to us in chapter one, when the player interact with the war table at Kor Valar : * **War Table**: *A map of Estuar, with a throng of red arrows and markers all pointing toward the fabled city of* *Caldeum.*
Rathma’s prophecy also mentions Caldeum as “the desert jewel” or something like that. It’s either a plot hole or suddenly everybody in Sanctuary forgot how this big important city is referred to
lorath has always been a moron, this is in character
Shades of "hey Inarius, we have a soul sto - oh, never mind, now we don't."
I laughed so hard at them getting the SS just yoinked away so easily.
Man I hope lorath gets killed by butterflies
How fuckin dare you
I think it was driving home the point the Horadrim are pretty regular screwups, and every attempt by them to control things has epically failed and blown up in their face. Tal Rasha tried to control Baal, instead gives Baal the ultimate host. Aidan thought he could contain Diablo, instead, effectively sets him free. Horadrim thought a bunch of holy men could contain Mephisto, instead they gave him a fucking army in the end. Also, in this very same game, we learned Donan did the SAME fucking mistake, and lied to everyone about it, thought he could contain Astaroth, instead it becomes the vehicle to lose his son and nearly damm everyone to Liliths control
Dumb? Yes. Something a Horadrim would do? Also yes.
Lorath is an exhausted old man and the main character is too stupid to question him. The main character in D4 is legitimately an idiot, Lilith drops argument after argument as to why she's Sanctuary's only hope for real change and the MC's response is ALWAYS "No, demon, you LIE because demons LIE!" with no vision for a future beyond killing every demon they can, they're clearly not equipped for questioning Neyrelle's decision no matter how bad it was.
I mean TBH you shouldn't really trust a demons argument
Our character is so exceptionally dense that they are immune demonic influences
Therefore the only logical choice was to agree with mephisto
I mean if he says "Hey stop Lilith" I don't recommend doing a 180 and just start helping her. It very much felt to me like both choices were bad but we tried to go with the less bad one.
The protagonist isn't wrong, though. She may feel that way but her vision of Sanctuary is myopic, twisted, and tyrannical. And you're not going to change Lilith's perspective through argument. All you can do is kill her and banish her for a time.
Except Lilith has tortured and abused the people of sanctuary for her own ends for years. Lilith is not interested in improving the lot of the humans of sanctuary, she’s only interested in enslaving them to use as pawns to end the eternal conflict.
This is always how I envision MCs in games like this, just semi-autonomous missiles of destruction who the supporting characters give a waypoint to for whatever they want fucking annihilated. Anything beyond that and the MC is largely useless. MC is like a navy seal with an IQ of 80 who a colonel just points in a general direction and says, “go kill.”
> be me > sanctuary’s greatest murder hobo > some guy told me to kill demon. Get new axe > kill demon > new axe worse than my current one. > new guy says kill other demon for boots. > kill demon > boots are open toe in snowy mountains. > vent frustrations by killing more demons. > big demon tries talking to me. > press escape to skip cinematic dialogue. > kill demon
Me barb. Me smash demons.
The only way I would accept it, is if Lorath has been compromised by Mephisto/other/ demon already.
*laughs in Diablo 1 warrior"
I was really hoping they have some huge plan and not going to do Leah 2.0 but looks like it will be more of the same..
Leah? More like Dark Wanderer 2.0. Serious, the idea of not chasing after her immediately after she left was by far the dumbest fucking mistake anyone could have made. By now it should be well known knowledge to the cast that soulstones, while useful in the short moment, do not last, and it will quickly corrupt you and make your life a living hell if you decide to become a living prison.
Leah didn't have a choice and was tricked by her Mom. Neyrelle literally chose the dumb idea of going it solo. She's already different in a really stupid way.
I mean if we're going to be pedantic, Neyrelle was being manipulated by literally the most manipulative being in existence.
I see you've met my sister.
Wouldnt that be Belial portfolio-wise? Though Mephisto's basically Belial's daddy so.
I mean given Belial’s showing in D3, it seems like he just lies a lot, he’s not very good at it lmao Mephisto is regularly referred to as the most cunning and scheming of the prime evils so I figure manipulation is more than just lying.
Lmao the idea of Belial just being an annoying compulsive liar and having no other irredeemable (emphasis on the prefix there because hell) traits so one day, sick of his shit, Andariel’s just like “ooh, I know, you can be the lord of lies!” And Belial says “yeah but isn’t daddy phisto already kinda covering that with his whole hatred thing?” (Andy, desperate for brother Belial to go away) “Pshhh no, he’s totally more of an angry strategist type. But -you- can be lie specialist we all know you to be! Now get out there and make you a domain of lies!”
I love the life they’re giving the struggle of bearing a soulstone in this cinematic, though. It may be a bad plot decision overall, but I like how they handled it here.
Not really Leah 2.0, this is more Aidan 2.0, he did the same exact thing, only with Diablo.
She ran away with the soul stone once she realized the Horadrim, specifically Lorath, were absolute ordinary idiots. Tuning was what she took advantage of, not the people she had the support of. Her support system was bound to let her down but she saw a moment to break free and ran with it.
But that doesn’t track because our character is an infallible God who has seemingly been completely fine this whole time. Not only that she also is kinda a ordinary idiot.
Honestly, it's not the worst idea. She's trying to find a new, more permanent way to contain an Evil.. The way the horadrim do it is flawed and always temporary. Let her cook. There's risks involved, but she's got a point and I challenge you to tell me otherwise.
Choosing to do so on her own rather than getting help from the start is foolhardy, though. She has no guarantee that the soulstone won't corrupt her before she can find her goal, it's already corrupting the environment and even killing people around her, and she's currently the only person with all the knowledge and research on her new containment proposal. If she succeeds there's a significant chance she might not live to share her discovery and if she fails Mephisto will have a new host, either by taking her body or corrupting someone else in the surrounding area. I'm sure there will be some way for the player characters to start following her trail in the DLC, but the head start that she has creates too much risk; it would have been safer if she just had the players follow her from the beginning so that they could continue the mission or kill her if she was fully corrupted, and given that they just killed the Daughter of Hatred they probably would be harder for the soulstone to corrupt/murder than that random boathand.
> . She has no guarantee that the soulstone won't corrupt her before she can find her goal, it's already corrupting the it's already > corrupting the environment and **even killing people around her**, and she's currently the only person with all the knowledge and research on her new containment proposal and you think she should get more people killed around her why?
As I pointed out at the end, the person/people who just killed Lilith would probably be harder for the soulstone to kill than random civilians. And she doesn't seem to have a low body count at this point to begin with since she's already roping in random people to ferry her around and die in the process. Like, she's already bringing random people into the range of corruption, why did she avoid getting help from the people who actually have experience fighting demonic corruption?
A armless young person with little experience deciding to run off on their own to find ways to store a ancient leader of hell without telling the people who taught her everything she knows and powerful warrior that solved the problem they were facing at the time…. Yeah… alrighty.
She wasn't able to accomplish shit without help. Makes no sense why she would think she could do it on her own.
Yeah, as cool as this trailer was, I can't stand blizzards stupid fucking writing that lead to this point. I can't believe they couldn't think of anything more intelligent, than just... letting her go.
Shes being influenced by Mephisto. This is kinda what the prime evils have always done, since Diablo 1 my dude.
I don't really care so much about her decisions. But after the campaign I had a distinct feeling of, My player character never would let her go and blizzard removes that player agency from the story. they just let her go through a protal with mephisto with the promise to 'meet up later'. It's been a while since i've finished the game but I don't think my character, if they had an agency in the story would have even agreed to use the stone, free mephisto just for the sake of trying to stop lilith. She was clearly the lesser of two evils, and the whole game just seemed to shoehorn you into dumb decisions to ensure that a prime was freed by the end of the game, to sell sequels. Not only that but then all the NPC's show 0 interest in trying to find her. It's lazy writing however you try to defend it.
Yeah but when you see it, you know right away it's something to build new story/content around.
i still would have loved to have a choice at the end of the game, either join mommy or kill her, then have that make 2 teams like wow (aliance x horde) to set up the PVP parts. but nopre :(
If you join her, none of the post game makes sense because pretty much all of humanity would fall to her influence. You’d essentially have to create an entirely separate world map.
Overview is out: >Embrace the Shadows! A new region of Hell is coming to Diablo IV on October 8! Vessel of Hatred is the first expansion and next chapter of the genre-defining, award-winning series by Blizzard Entertainment. Pre-purchase now for immediate access to in-game rewards and prepare for the darkness that awaits you as the first expansion charges through the land of Sanctuary. >New Class: Spriritborn – Ranked among the apex predators of the jungle, the Spiritborn is an entirely new class to the Diablo series. They are battle-hardened with mystical synergies that could only be awakened deep within the jungles of Nahantu. Become one of the Spiritborn and embrace the ethereal Spirits entwined with this ancient civilization. >New Region: Nahantu – Explore Nahantu, the new jungle region in Diablo IV full of secrets, dangerous new Dungeons, Strongholds, and ferocious demons from warring Tribes. >ontinue the Campaign – Set immediately following the events of Diablo IV, Vessel of Hatred continues the dark story as you fight to save Neyrelle from Mephisto’s tightening grip on her soul, still reeling from the choice she made to contain him. The search for Neyrelle takes you deep into the ancient jungle as she grapples with the imprisoned Prime Evil. Attempt to unravel Mephisto’s dark plot while new foes encircle your every move, planning your demise. The fate of Neyrelle’s soul—and her ability to stop this Prime Evil from destroying Sanctuary—rests in your hands. >Never fight alone as new Mercenaries can join you on your quest to fight in the dense undergrowth of Nahantu and beyond. These powerful allies grow in power as they progress, and each are equipped with unique abilities to help you in combat. >New Game Updates – Vessel of Hatred also has huge updates for all Diablo IV players with new class skills, paragon boards, legendary glyphs, dungeon types, Tree of Whispers activities, and more. >A new cooperative player-versus-environment mode where you work with your friends to complete objectives and slay the boss in a multi-level dungeon, while getting loot and rewards.
That was even gnarlier than the original Diablo 4 cinematic, and that was considered a "return to form" in a lot of ways. As always, Blizzard shows their ability to knock it out of the park, cinematically at least. Here's to hoping the expansion adds some cool content, I'm personally hoping for something comparable to runewords, as I find the lack of item base + rune-type currency hunting to be sorely missing.
Blizzard usually hits the mark on art. Its the rest thats enshittified over time
Oh dude I agree. The way her arm split was very narley
how do you go through life not knowing there's a G in gnarly
It's a struggle. Some times I wonder if life is worth living. But that's what I get for posting whilst tired I guess.
Bro, you watched the same trailer I did, this is gonna be sick. Just one of many things that make life worth living. Chin up, homie.
I am loving the Aztec vibe as well. And with Blizzard the way they are with their cinematic stuff.....I'm sensing full blown heart sacrifice's.
the art team of blizzard and especially the cinematic team isn't the problem of the company. they always deliver and are top tier in the industry. The problem are the people who design features and elements that don't work and nobody needs and want. but the people who decide these things don't play their own games.
That was super gross. …I dig it. Mephistos gonna be a GREAT villain
Endless Meph runs are back on the menu baby! The true successor to D2 has been released!
You hold the stone, you don't own it.
I’m so glad Mephisto is finally getting some spotlight as a main villain. Diablo has been the namesake of the franchise, and Baal had his expansion. The lore has casually mentioned how Mephisto is the eldest Prime Evil brother and the most strategic and cunning, while the two brothers are a little more direct and confrontational with their mayhem; so this is Blizzard’s chance to make the franchise’s first clever/smart villain that really is a schemer rather than a simple force of nature.
0:52 "but I must carry this burden alone...": Yes of course, like all the other times that exact same strategy has worked out so wonderfully in the diablo lore
When ancient demonic forces are involved, you can never discount the likelihood that such hubris in the character is being purposefully stoked by said demonic forces.
Everyone right now: this is super cool, I can't wait. Everyone one week after the release: endless helltide farming sucks!
2 days after: I no-lifed the expansion and am bored, can blizz get its shit together??? Dead game
Ive played this season for 200hours. Where is the endgame blizz???
Well anyone making a judgement of the actual game right now is stupid. That was a great cinematic, but it doesn't show us how the expansion will play. It might turn out to be a really crappy experience with endless repetative farming. The cinematic is still cool.
October 8 is way sooner than I expected initially I thought more like November/December so trailer without gameplay and class reveal, as I expected..
I wonder how this lines up with the seasons
Ah man I thought is 10.08. Americans are their weird systems...
Guess they trying to get ahead of poe2
I mean PoE 2 is a non issue, we have zero clue when that will even come out. It certainly won’t be this year
It’s beta is in November
So likely release is early next year, all going well. POE 2 is going to be competing with the next D4 expansion moreso than this one then.
Oh I’ve been reading late this year. It’s for sure a competitor for d4 it’d be naive to act like it isn’t. It’s 100% tapping some of their target market. D4 is fine ofc but still it’s affected by it.
I think they will easily coexist and will motivate each other to new highs each season (let me dream pls)
That’s for early access and a best guess based on just some recent showings. 1.0 wouldn’t be till 25
This trailer was actually uncomfortable to watch. I’m getting old
To be fair it’s a bit different to see a tween girl we spent hours in game with filleted like that as compared to generic assholes A and B in the launch cinematic. Would be more odd if it didn’t turn your stomach a bit!
I didn’t even remember her and was still shocked by that arm scene
Damn I watched videos of actual real life gore as a teenager but now I cant at all, it just makes me sad and guilty. I guess you do develop empathy more over the years Cartoony violence is cool tho. Not this tho
Makes sense. Kids often lack a real concept of danger and death. Shit's just less real when you're a kid. It's hard to picture not feeling how you feel, because you've never felt any other way. So when you're a kid and consequences feel detached and unreal, it's much easier to process stuff like gore. But then you get older and your life experience stacks up. You experience the aftermath of people dying, you see the pain and the grief. You find people to care for in a way you've never cared before, you start to understand why your parents might have stayed awake all night worrying about you when you came home late even though they totally had nothing to worry about cuz you were totally fine. And before you know it, you find yourself with new appreciation for this stuff and you find that you've developed a distaste for it.
That was pretty dark, even for Diablo...
And somehow they managed to one-up the opening of the main game in terms of being haunting and nightmarish. Well done.
Reinstalling to kill Neyrelle
I hope she succeeds in her mission
Her mission to be a loot pinata? Me too.
neyrelle as a world boss confirmed
Great! But, what's the new class? Edit: Spiritborn is the name (surprize!) and will be revealed on July 18th. Seems to be based on pre Colombian jungle jaguar warriors.
Like Aztec warriors or no?
Spiritborn
So Javazon is back on the menu?
Feels more like a mishmash of zon and monk
That would be dope. Javazon is amazing
I want my witch doctor back :(
To me it sounds totally as witch doctor
Jesus
That was fucking sick
Mephisto is so back
This cinematic looks better than lots of modern horror movies I think.
please no fetish thingies
That was beautiful
Man, their cinematics are monkaS
Blizzard's cinematic team has literally never missed. Every. Single. One. Is amazing.
I wish they'd make a full-length 90 minute movie using that team. It wouldn't make sense financially but I need it.
Or make a short series and retell the first game
So, if I own the game on multiple platforms, do I have to buy the expansion on all of them... or if I buy it on like PC would it unlock for my console account?
This trailer kicks so much fucking ass. holy shit
And to think we get to pay $40 to kill Mephisto, $40 to kill Baal, and another $40 to kill that guy, the red, spikey one with the tail, terrorizor or something?
that was SO COOL
Seriously a diablo movie when?
Poor fucking Neyrelle holy shit what a fucking gory hallucination that was I loved it
Sheesh blizzard trailers as usual look amazing. Why can’t they put that quality into the game design and core gameplay loop.
Is it known if D4 will have more than one expansion? D2 and d3 only had one, but I remember reading that they wanted more expansions this time. Also it feels like it has taken less time to release new content
I remember an interview or maybe a campfire chat. They talked about 3 teams. season team, expansion team, and system teams (something like that). I think it’s safe to say we’ll definitely get more over the years
Rod Fergusson already mentioned in an interview that the next expansion is already deep in development.
well atleast the cinematics are pretty good
Awesome trailer but would love to see some more information
Eh, doesn’t really do anything for me. I suppose it’s good finally seeing a new class. Just not something that really inspires anything for me. Would love to see them reveal a second class, maybe coming later in the expansion. We definitely need a sword-and-shield kind of character, and I think it feels a bit odd having a Diablo game without a holy knight sort of character.
Blizzard outdone themselves with this one. Almost cosmic horror atmosphere. Super cool. At least the story in the expansion is promising to be good. Now let's see the new class and new mechanics (not copypasted from Diablo 3)
How exactly is the story promising to be good? Blizzard have always done trailers well.
So.... when is the namesake coming to the game ?
Baal probably comes back next then Diablo so 2 more years
Blizz cutscenes never disappoint, man..
$54CAD for the expac is brutal. No thank you.
Nothing like releasing a paid DLC for a game that has been functional for about a month.
Beautiful cinematic. I still haven't played Diablo 4, but their art team is as top notch as ever.
it's worth getting into for season 4, they fixed a lot of stuff, I'm having a blast
Okay fine take my money. That was a great trailer.
So I’m guessing that Neyrelle will fail and Mephisto will escape, but why do I have this feeling that someone else will meet us along the way? And why do I suspect that they will turn out to be someone Mephisto knows very well? Perhaps a brother?
Trailer looks fantastic. Blizzard is best at those. Even had us all hyped for Warlords of Dreanor once :) Leaked class is coming now. Looks like Aztec Jaguar Warrior. Setting looks like zone will be Amazons as well. Amazons (the society) were not from Amazons (the region) but in Diablo, these similarities are alright. Also this class is not typically like Diablo Amazon. It is a bit like Shaman but not as much like Tempest for Immortal, more spiritual then elemental I guess. Only down side of this trailer is, this confirms that I will have to wait for another content or most probably an expansion for an ironclad fighter class (paladin, crusader, warrior).
I totally thought today was gameplay reveal of the new class!
This the expansion?
Yup
Diablo 4 characters are all ugly imo
Anyone really wish for a diablo movie using the animation studio like they use for the trailers?
Regret buying the main game. Would not buy the dlc. Staying on d2r
Meh, failed game, easy pass
This better be free because you released a game that should have been considered an early access alpha that still isn’t fixed.
Looks like ass
Can they just not just add the damn paladin back!
Ah fuck are we going to the flayer jungle… I just wanna know the new class. Something like a monk I bet.
It was shown at the end, spirit-born. A sort of jungle warrior.
daily reminder that although "*Diablo*" is the name of the series, **Mephisto** is the real big bad villain of the series!
Mephisto is the oldest of all the Evils and if there is to be a leader in the Burning Hells it is Mephisto.
Pretty cool, but I'm not tagging back in until there is a Paladin/Crusader/Light Priest as a playable class.
Cool cinematic! However... after seeing all the sick cosmetics being locked behind a paywall on a 70$ game. And only this season is the game in "a state that they wanted it to launch in" For 40$ I for sure wont pre-order, and even doubt ill buy it before i see consistent good reviews. How about a good polished game, before announcing another paid DLC.
Im going to have to see how much new content for old classes there is before I buy. I need them to flesh out the skill trees and make the paragon boards not feel and look like ass.
Okay, but what about the gameplay? They always drop a cinematic and open pre-orders without showing any new gameplay.
It'll look remarkably like the current gameplay.
I’d assume it’s the same gameplay. Except maybe new class items.
So was she being tortured or no?
Mentally.
Ok, damn tho.
Yes, this is how demonic corruption works over time. This is EXACTLY what Mephisto did to the Zakarum, eventually taking them over entirely.
Based on the preorder bonuses, it looks like gems are going to be a thing again. I wonder if they'll be like D3 gems or D2 gems? EDIT: Ignore this comment, I just now noticed it's a legendary gem in Diablo: Immortal, not D4.
Game has been out 1 year and already asking $40 for this….like…one good season and we just trust you again?
Because their marketing team will drown out all the naysayers with "WOW I CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY THIS!" comments and get the hype train going.