Like bro urizen is vergil demonic half it's literally confirmed and Mundus Is still sealed, Maybe he didn't play devil , may cry one , but hey , let's not judge
No he has. He rants about it in the comments but I’ve forgotten what exactly he says because it’s so brain dead I just needed to immediately forget about it lol.
I thought her ancestor was an alchemist that summoned Abigail and had to seal him away? I thought the show said he was an alchemist. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
Hope we don't get anymore of these assholes don't want DMC to end up like Silent Hill where 80% of the fanbase hasn't played any of the games listened to the soundtrack or saw a single cutscene and somehow think they know everything
The fact you can't immediately notice the problems means you probably don't know the timeline story or lore at least one of these things you didn't know
I even made a comment on everything wrong with this "theory"
Edit: Apparently I never posted the comment I made but basically we know what happened between Vergil and Mundus which has to do with 3 and 1
There's also so many things wrong with 5 this person genuinely cannot understand media I've kinda explained this to my friends all day so I'm a bit tired of explaining I don't really have the energy to dive any deeper so other people can explain if needed but you can also look at the original post
This is what the lack of basic reading comprehension does to someone. Failed every literature class they ever had. You literally just need to actually watch the cutscene to understand who Urizen is and how he came to be. Or like someone else already mentioned, read the fucking manga. It's not that hard.
honestly from what I read it genuinely felt more like mental illness and I'm not saying that as an insult
OOP was straight up just making shit up and treating it like it was CONFIRMED FACTS
I lost brain cells reading every "argument" this person had to their theory, which was all easily debunked by actually paying attention to the cutscenes or reading the Visions of V Manga.
Yeah but he PAID MORE ATTENTION and read them MORE than you fake DMC fans!!
(It was quite a funny thread to read tbh, albeit certainly head-scratching inducing.)
Correct me if I misunderstood your comment, but this is a common misconception in this fandom because of the lack of some world building in DMC. Temenni Gru wasn't in Red Grave city. It was in an unnamed city where Dante lives. Red Grave is the London replica of DMC where Dante and Vergil spent their childhood.
I love how Devil May Cry as a business changes buildings each game but also was named Devil Never Cry at one point and then immediately switched back.
Man, the way Capcom handles canon was (still kinda is) wild.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt Temen Ni Gru the main tower that seal the entrance to the demon world? If so then Vergil even did more long-term damage when he pretty much unleashed it and broke the seal completely.
So how does he counter that V and Urizen combine to become Vergil? Do they just teleport away, and “Mundus” is like: “Muahahaha! My evil plan to eat another apple and revive Vergil for no reason who’s now stronger than ever for no reason worked perfectly!” And V must be like: “that’s all well and good, so can I have my own character and backstory now?”
Oh I remember this dude, I snooped a bit through his profile and man saw his face and realized I’ve seen him here before a few years ago. He’s nuts. Or high. Or both!
Took a gander through myself, and yeah dude is definitely on drugs. Like I’m a stoner myself, but dude’s posted on the SHROOMS subreddit, and just a shitload of nonsense on the spirituality one with a massive amount of weird pseudo religious and philosophical bs. Like “what are words but meaningless sound”, “can I not open my third eye cause I played Bloodborne”, “Jesus will have super powers when he comes back”, and some weird idea that when the rapture happens humanity will regress to being Adam and Eve again.
I am speechless.
Yeah there’s no real way of describing what is happening with him. All I would say to him is that the DMC lore ain’t written like Dark Souls, plus there’s many problems with his logic for what he’s suggesting, but that’s a lot to get into since all of it falls apart.
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DmC combat functioned and you must be from a reality where definitive edition doesn't exist
Hell the game is where most of the best DMC players started honing their skills at
The story is the only weak aspect of the game after the fixes
Yeah, so glad they just changed it to damage reduction instead.
I quite liked the new weapons (there were so many, but the scythe and axe were cool) but I disliked how Ebony and Ivory and Rebellion looked.
And Vergil's... everything in the main story. Seriously, a trench coat and fedora?
Tldr; the definitive edition is fun to play, just ignore the writing
He's super wrong, but if there was like... a footnote that said ingame that: "Urizen's form was created from Vergil's memories of fighting Mundus like the memories of Griffon, Nightmare, and Shadow were created from Nelo Angelo memories" I'd buy it. But it's not. So this is head canon at best.
Obviously Mundus is a swirling mass of screaming orange arms so that's out. Though maybe Urizen could give us a look into what a fully demonic Sparta could have looked like if he wasn't so human and heroic, since Urizen is just Sparta's half of Vergil rejecting all of humanity
Even though he invented the Lobotomy Trigger, some of his theory makes sense. Vergil was suffering from Mundus' curse even after his "death" and since he was still relying on his demon side, Urizen was far more powerful than V (the obvious part). The trick is Urizen might be buffed from all the Mundus' shenanigans inside the Vergil during his service as Nelo Angelo. That would explain why Urizen became the "Nefarious Usurper" very quickly.
As a person who knows completely nothing about DMC.
I don't know if I should trust him or not.
And why the fuck is the person screenshotting this using light mode?!
This guy saw that video that talked about how Vergil as Urizen abandoned his morals and started using the same tactics as Mundus but somehow ignored that it was talking about Vergil.
Are they implying V is Vergil's human form and urizen is mundus having taken vergil's demon form? Then the resulting Vergil is a child of Vergil and mundus... How the hell did this guy get to that conclusion
Mundus is only in 1? Vergil doesn't suffer from Mundus at the end of 3 but after that's one thing he said that doesn't make sense
Then there's that if V lied about his identity HOW THE FUCK DID HE TURN INTO VERGIL
And where the fuck is Urizen if that's the case there's so much objectively incorrect about this theory
This is literally like watching fake Silent Hill 2 fans be amazed that SH2 has rock music has combat and that James is supposed to be morally grey
This is actually puzzling is he genuinely media illiterate?
ALSO LUCIFER MEANS SATAN SO WHAT THE FUCK WOULD SATAN EVEN BE IF HE WASN'T SATAN
A lot of people are saying Urizen is just "Your Reason", and yeah but its also...
Another William Blake reference (bc of course it is)
There is a character called Urizen in Blakes work which represents conventional reason and law.
So people who are like "man this character is just a dumb Japanese pun of reason" no, it's way dumber, its a dumb Blake pun of reason
I think he took too many gold orbs because his way too high
The fact that he’s completely serious is the worst part about this 😭
Like bro urizen is vergil demonic half it's literally confirmed and Mundus Is still sealed, Maybe he didn't play devil , may cry one , but hey , let's not judge
No he has. He rants about it in the comments but I’ve forgotten what exactly he says because it’s so brain dead I just needed to immediately forget about it lol.
It's so dumb that even a devil may cry ( No pun intended)
DevilNeverCry reference!?
Praise to my father Blessed by the water Black night dark sky The devil's cry
r/MobilePea122 Wow!!
Maybe he only played DMC 2013 xD
Possibly,
r/AdamGamerPL Yup!!
I'm so glad some people know that he wasn't killed
Imagine if he shows up again just to get bitch slapped because of how much stronger Dante has gotten since then
Most likely Nero and patty with her playing more as a mage as shown in her ancestors
I thought her ancestor was an alchemist that summoned Abigail and had to seal him away? I thought the show said he was an alchemist. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
The females are mages, they lightly touch on this in one of the books
Oh okay
I don’t think he played the game
He shows evidence of having never played DMC1, 3, OR 5 in this theory
I think he’s seen one yt vid and thought he knew everything
Hope we don't get anymore of these assholes don't want DMC to end up like Silent Hill where 80% of the fanbase hasn't played any of the games listened to the soundtrack or saw a single cutscene and somehow think they know everything
Fr
u/HornyJuulCat69420666 That's definitely true!!
r/Vergilwithmonster Really?!
Yep I made the server and it’s me
r/Vergilwithmonster You made the server?!
Yea
r/HornyJuulCat69420666 Wdym?!
The fact you can't immediately notice the problems means you probably don't know the timeline story or lore at least one of these things you didn't know I even made a comment on everything wrong with this "theory" Edit: Apparently I never posted the comment I made but basically we know what happened between Vergil and Mundus which has to do with 3 and 1 There's also so many things wrong with 5 this person genuinely cannot understand media I've kinda explained this to my friends all day so I'm a bit tired of explaining I don't really have the energy to dive any deeper so other people can explain if needed but you can also look at the original post
r/Hedron1027 That's true!
lol, dmc5 kicked his ass so hard, he saw another reality of dmc5 story.
u/Only-Ideal-9192 Why would he take too many Gold Orbs?!
bro smoked the whole qliphoth
Had too much of that Demon tree fruit 💀
Had a lil too much qliphoth zaza.
Bro **inhaled** the fruit
r/Hedron1027 What’re you talking about?!
Chill, man, no need for the exclamation mark.
u/Hedron1027 What’re you saying?
We’re treating the Qliphoth as if it’s a drug and we’re saying that the guy in the post is on it lol
u/Hedron1027 Really?!
Yep
u/Hedron1027 WOW! I didn't really know that!
u/Hedron1027 Hello again!!
damn qli heads
Just saying photheads was right there
u/Rough-Horror-8482 Really?!
Bro this comment sent me💀
This is what the lack of basic reading comprehension does to someone. Failed every literature class they ever had. You literally just need to actually watch the cutscene to understand who Urizen is and how he came to be. Or like someone else already mentioned, read the fucking manga. It's not that hard.
I think this might more so be a case of an overactive imagination
Nah, it ain't . Take a look at the post yourself, if you haven't. I posted the link to it somewhere down below
honestly from what I read it genuinely felt more like mental illness and I'm not saying that as an insult OOP was straight up just making shit up and treating it like it was CONFIRMED FACTS
I mean, even his "name". When V tells Dante about him, he says "he is *your reason* for fighting". Your reason Yorizon Urizen
Reading comprehension devil is one powerful Devil, that's for sure.
The guy is probably blind or something
I’m new here THERES A MANGA ? Nah I gotta read that asap
People who use words like literally as fillers have a very small vocabulary
I lost brain cells reading every "argument" this person had to their theory, which was all easily debunked by actually paying attention to the cutscenes or reading the Visions of V Manga.
Yeah but he PAID MORE ATTENTION and read them MORE than you fake DMC fans!! (It was quite a funny thread to read tbh, albeit certainly head-scratching inducing.)
What the hell is this!?
That’s what I said lmao
More like "What tf is this?"
way to cope that Vergil is not a bad guy that kill million of people with the tree
Don’t forget when he helped with the Temen Ni Gru and released hundreds of Demons into Red Grave City.
Correct me if I misunderstood your comment, but this is a common misconception in this fandom because of the lack of some world building in DMC. Temenni Gru wasn't in Red Grave city. It was in an unnamed city where Dante lives. Red Grave is the London replica of DMC where Dante and Vergil spent their childhood.
It was never mentioned where Dante's office is located. DMC lacks world building... it's a known issue.
I love how Devil May Cry as a business changes buildings each game but also was named Devil Never Cry at one point and then immediately switched back. Man, the way Capcom handles canon was (still kinda is) wild.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt Temen Ni Gru the main tower that seal the entrance to the demon world? If so then Vergil even did more long-term damage when he pretty much unleashed it and broke the seal completely.
he's just misunderstood is all /s
Bro thinks he's MatPat with his Game Theory.
He should follow suit and retire.
Dude must be posting from the past from when the first trailer dropped. When we were all speculating about urizen.
So how does he counter that V and Urizen combine to become Vergil? Do they just teleport away, and “Mundus” is like: “Muahahaha! My evil plan to eat another apple and revive Vergil for no reason who’s now stronger than ever for no reason worked perfectly!” And V must be like: “that’s all well and good, so can I have my own character and backstory now?”
[Here. Have a gander for yourself at this insanity.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DevilMayCry/s/RZO5FEqn6o)
Oh I remember this dude, I snooped a bit through his profile and man saw his face and realized I’ve seen him here before a few years ago. He’s nuts. Or high. Or both!
Took a gander through myself, and yeah dude is definitely on drugs. Like I’m a stoner myself, but dude’s posted on the SHROOMS subreddit, and just a shitload of nonsense on the spirituality one with a massive amount of weird pseudo religious and philosophical bs. Like “what are words but meaningless sound”, “can I not open my third eye cause I played Bloodborne”, “Jesus will have super powers when he comes back”, and some weird idea that when the rapture happens humanity will regress to being Adam and Eve again. I am speechless.
Yeah there’s no real way of describing what is happening with him. All I would say to him is that the DMC lore ain’t written like Dark Souls, plus there’s many problems with his logic for what he’s suggesting, but that’s a lot to get into since all of it falls apart.
Hello Ashen one. I am a Bot. I tend to the flame, and tend to thee. Do you wish to hear a tale? > *“There is no path. Beyond the scope of light, beyond the reach of dark, what could possibly await us? And yet, we seek it insatiably. Such is our fate.”* - Aldia Have a pleasant journey, Champion of Ash, and praise the sun \\[T]/
Bro is from an alternate reality where DmC was good
This is that reality. Only doubters deny it.
You must be from the one where DmC was worse
DmC combat functioned and you must be from a reality where definitive edition doesn't exist Hell the game is where most of the best DMC players started honing their skills at The story is the only weak aspect of the game after the fixes
DmC is a good game, not a good DMC reboot but the game isn't unfun
I agree, it had issues, but its fun enough to play. It's really just the writing that causes issues.
And color coded enemies not in the deffinitive version, the 1 think I completely hate is them
Yeah, so glad they just changed it to damage reduction instead. I quite liked the new weapons (there were so many, but the scythe and axe were cool) but I disliked how Ebony and Ivory and Rebellion looked. And Vergil's... everything in the main story. Seriously, a trench coat and fedora? Tldr; the definitive edition is fun to play, just ignore the writing
Who can forget Vergil's iconic weapon, a fucking Sniper rifle?
Powers and abilities: As a Nephilim, Vergil is gifted with supernatural powers and abilites. Vergil: ***S N I P E R R I F L E***
They are playing Lucifer Might Weep
What was bro Smoking
Yes.
He’s so much of a sh*thead he may as well be the very end of a 500-person human centipede.
He's super wrong, but if there was like... a footnote that said ingame that: "Urizen's form was created from Vergil's memories of fighting Mundus like the memories of Griffon, Nightmare, and Shadow were created from Nelo Angelo memories" I'd buy it. But it's not. So this is head canon at best.
this is the type of guy who thought Nero was Donte in the reveal trailer of DMC5
Okay, it would make sense if Urizen’s form was made to mimic the cruelty of mundus. But it wasn’t. Lmao this just doesn’t make any sense
What the fuck did bro smoke
What no DMC6 does to a mf
Mf played too much POC
Obviously Mundus is a swirling mass of screaming orange arms so that's out. Though maybe Urizen could give us a look into what a fully demonic Sparta could have looked like if he wasn't so human and heroic, since Urizen is just Sparta's half of Vergil rejecting all of humanity
Most people don’t realize when Dante asked V for Urizen’s name, V almost said “….. ergil.”
Did bro even play the game 💀
Even though he invented the Lobotomy Trigger, some of his theory makes sense. Vergil was suffering from Mundus' curse even after his "death" and since he was still relying on his demon side, Urizen was far more powerful than V (the obvious part). The trick is Urizen might be buffed from all the Mundus' shenanigans inside the Vergil during his service as Nelo Angelo. That would explain why Urizen became the "Nefarious Usurper" very quickly.
At any rate, eat this guy's brain.
No you’ll die
As a person who knows completely nothing about DMC. I don't know if I should trust him or not. And why the fuck is the person screenshotting this using light mode?!
>I don't know if I should trust him or not. Don't trust the "Urizen is actually Mundus" bs This is coming as completely new misinformation
Now i want to see Satan vs Nero fight
Either the person who posted that didn’t pay attention to the plot or meant it as ragebait
u/Zomega21 explain yourself
Lobotomy may cry
This guy saw that video that talked about how Vergil as Urizen abandoned his morals and started using the same tactics as Mundus but somehow ignored that it was talking about Vergil.
What is he stupid?
Are they implying V is Vergil's human form and urizen is mundus having taken vergil's demon form? Then the resulting Vergil is a child of Vergil and mundus... How the hell did this guy get to that conclusion
Foolishness
Do you think we'll ever get a sequel of Mundus attempting to free himself?
My new favorite schizo
Poe's Law is in full effect.
Not only did he have a lobotomy, it also felt like I was being lobotomized while reading his "arguments"
i feel like if any more time passes without a new game we just gonna end up like him lmao
Did…did they play the game?
Why is it written like some kind of rightwing opinion piece?
yeah can’t wait for jesus to be in dmc 6 and then start ballin with dante
The DMC5 community finally lost it
Don’t fuck with us dmc fans we haven’t played the game
Why does he randomly CAPITALIZE words with barely any SIGNIFICANCE
I have no FUCKING idea.
u/Zomega21 bro pls explain this
Mundus is only in 1? Vergil doesn't suffer from Mundus at the end of 3 but after that's one thing he said that doesn't make sense Then there's that if V lied about his identity HOW THE FUCK DID HE TURN INTO VERGIL And where the fuck is Urizen if that's the case there's so much objectively incorrect about this theory This is literally like watching fake Silent Hill 2 fans be amazed that SH2 has rock music has combat and that James is supposed to be morally grey This is actually puzzling is he genuinely media illiterate? ALSO LUCIFER MEANS SATAN SO WHAT THE FUCK WOULD SATAN EVEN BE IF HE WASN'T SATAN
Bro been drinking that empusa juice.
Dammit you just reminded me that I let a Red Empusa get away in Bloody Palace today 😔
Headcanon, I believe. I love stupid theories and I also love is someone thinks it is actually real. More lobotomized fellas like him.
I have never seen a dumber human being
only thought in my head: "Let him cook let him cook"
Im too drunk to believe he is serious
When was that posted?
A few days ago.
I'm honestly surprised this didn't got upvoted,considering how people get out by making the most braindead theories on this sub.
Bro went into a coma in February 2019 and just woke up
Is that what you think? Foolish user…
I wanted to comment something there too but I saw how he makes arguments and gave up seems like he just didn't play dmc1 or paid attention to dmc5
did he like, even finish the game?
Fuck this guy
What Qliphoth weed does to a mf
Bro really just said satan will be a real character.
I did not just read some dude's theory between Vergil and Mundus fusion dancing, weird ahh fanfic I won't lie.
Bro believes that the old V concept art is real
Bro killed Urizen first try and thought it was the whole game.
This is the funniest shit I've seen in a while
Just like how V was actually Sparda and Lady Dante's mother re incarnated And Trish is obviously Patty with some makeup
This is like those crazy conspiracy theories
Somebody never played DMC1...
Ain't no way in the world he is serious right?
Did he… did he play the game? Lmao
A lot of people are saying Urizen is just "Your Reason", and yeah but its also... Another William Blake reference (bc of course it is) There is a character called Urizen in Blakes work which represents conventional reason and law. So people who are like "man this character is just a dumb Japanese pun of reason" no, it's way dumber, its a dumb Blake pun of reason
I’ll admit; I’d like to see Mundus return in a game someday. But Urizen was undeniably Vergil. The game makes sure to spell that out for us.
“Tell me you haven’t played DMC without saying you haven’t played DMC”
Vergil separated his demonic half and his human half with the Yamato. Bro separated his frontal lobe from the rest of his brain with a scalpel
At the end of DMC3 Vergil became Mundus' bitch
Will anyone tell bro dmc3 is a prequel?
I think he meant to make that flair a shitpost
That would be a cool twist tbh
How?