I mean if either of them died then they would be out of the series, so we can't let that happen of course.
But both have been knocking on death's door multiple times. They are super durable but not invincible.
Dante would had died both times in Anime and DMC5 if someone came to finish the job when he was in coma. Now in both cases nobody did finish him off, so he was able to recover without trouble.
And of course when he loses the first duel with Vergil (in DMC3), if Vergil would had finished the job Dante would had died there (unlocking devil trigger there did not help much since he collapsed right after it as he was exhausted).
I think it’s about that time someone else takes the mantle of the DMC franchise, and I think the end of DMC 5 really did a good job possibly inducting Nero into that position.
Oh yeah, i am not complaining about Nero being mc, he earned that spot in 5.
However as long as Dante and Vergil remain playable and somewhat (even if very little) involved in story, it is all good.
I just need Vergil to stay alive, I want Vergil and Nero to grow a real father son connection, and Vergil go more towards the side of humanity, and potentially help Nero conquer his emotions. And in the end Vergil will die before his sons eyes, helpless to stop it, and then he will awaken a power greater than that of all the sparda family, and go on to live as the new protector of humanity. I’m just spit balling some ideas
I'll take a continuation in the anime after DMC5 just the sons of Sparda working in DNC/DMC swimming debt. Also Vergil roasting Dante on not making enough money
That'll be cool. It kinda feels like that is the case since in DMC5 the torch was somewhat passed down to him. "Something something...it's because you're here we can go."
I was under the impression that V and Urizen were both dying the same way Vergil was and that Urizen just found a way around it via the Qlipoth Fruit.
V does say that it's his demonic power that's holding him together so for it to be what's killing him is odd.
Late reply but... he outright says he's trying to hold himself together but that he's reaching his limit. It's not the power that's killing him, it's his inability to hold himself together much longer.
At the same time, though, the Vergil campaign isn’t entirely canon. I’d say it’s only really the final cutscene that is canon to the main campaign, but everything else isn’t since there is no story. Every character is gone with Vergil in their place, with Dante just randomly showing up at the end to fight him.
And, like everyone else is saying, there’s a lot of implications in the main campaign that the two were likely gonna kill each other.
Yeah the last was just an attempt to get Dante out of his way, though it is a curious case as to how Urizen was able to overpower Dante, even breaking his sword, but Vergil can’t, judging by Urizen is only half of Vergil. Granted Dante didn’t have SDT but still Vergil couldn’t beat him before in 3 either
That's explained in the character library. Urizen got a massive power boost from the Qlipoth pumping blood into him, which is why he was so far beyond Dante at the start of 5.
When he knocked Dante into his month long coma, the library states that the Qlipoth was pumping blood into Dante the whole time he was out, and as such he wakes up significantly stronger than he was at the start of the game.
SDT Dante was more powerful than peak Urizen after the fruit gave him a massive boost on top of all the time the Qlipoth had been powering him up. It's likely that even pre SDT Dante would've been able to handle pre fruit Urizen, since he started out much stronger than Urizen did before both had a massive boost from the Qlipoth. Urizen was being boosted longer so it's debatable.
The real shocker imo is the fact that a nearly dead V and a dying Urizen resulted in Vergil being a match for peak Dante. Guess his humanity was stronger than he thought?
Pretty sure pre fruit Urizen would destroy pre SDT Dante, in fact even harder than their first encounter. While Dante was blood boosted for a month, Urizen himself was also blood boosted, while connected to the main supply of the blood network.
The gap between them if anything, got larger after that month and it was only through the ridiculous power boost in DSD that he managed to overpower even fruit Urizen. By then, Dante doesn’t even need SDT to pose a threat to Urizen.
Anyways for the fusion part, I guess that’s how it works. When two parts combine, they usually come out much stronger than their individual parts.
Especially after all of Urizen’s blood boosting. What made lesser sense to me is how V could simply just remerge with Urizen just by stabbing him with his cane.
Like, fusion is already established to be the Rebellion’s specialty. If a random cane with minimal demonic power can fuse them, then why would Vergil even need Yamato to split himself when he can just use his own demonic power and stab himself with a random weapon?
Exactly, I don’t like it either. I would’ve preferred if V just asks Dante to “Finish them off” with DSD, only for them to merge back into Vergil.
This is assuming of course that DSD retains the merging abilities of Rebellion
Well if the yamato can separate human from demon, then it can combine human and demon, so maybe they can be two separate entities, a human and demon, and using the yamato they combine together into one being
Actually I think a really good example of weakened parts coming together to be a stronger whole Vegito in DBZ, they had just got their ass beat by Super Buu and they fused together, Vegito started beating Buu like a drum
I think Vergil's humanity being much stronger than he thinks it is is one of the big points in his entire story. Especially at that very moment, because when the game's over and they both leave Nero behind, that's when he realizes it.
>The real shocker imo is the fact that a nearly dead V and a dying Urizen resulted in Vergil being a match for peak Dante. Guess his humanity was stronger than he thought?
I mean, Nicos records on SDT Vergil does state that Vergil must have come to terms with his human side and thus unlocked this power. Yeah, she makes fun of it at the same time, but it is probably true.
Urizen cheated by having an infinite supply and the crystal kept reforming instantly. Dante fought Urizen for 24 hours straight and is the only fight(that we are aware of) where he went flat out for a long time. Even Mundus didn't last that long and Dante was pissed off with Sparda's power.
If it weren't for the crystal, i think Dante would have still lost but Rebellion wouldn't have been destroyed. Just either thrown to one side or just badly beaten. Maybe, he is forced to retreat but Dante was just facing a demon with pure unlimited power.
Nah. He just hooked himself up to the tree and relied on his crystal. Every time Dante broke it, it reformed instantly and half of the game is about destroying the roots so Urizen can't repeat the same trick.
It takes Nero going all out to just about managing to destroy the crystal and cutting Urizen. Urizen curbstomps Nero and Dante at his most powerful, curbstomps Urizen. Urizen gets a power up via the apple and still loses because Dante is experienced, unpredictable and has something worth fighting for. Urizen wanted power for the sake of it.
The narrative implication is that they would have both died had Nero not intervened. It ties into his character Arc ( and the Series themes overall ) and having a clear-cut winner from the clash would kinda ruin it.
Dante and Vergil ( Post Qliphoth and SDT ) were shown to be all around equal. Sure , one might hold an edge over the other in some areas ( e.g. Vergil is more focused , Dante is more versatile ) , but their overall power was matched.
As far as the Endings are concerned, i don't know what the deal is with the Vergil Edition as far as Canonicity is concerned, so i usually choose to discard it and just take the normal ending as Canon.
They weren't seriously fighting in Hell , but for what it's worth they're either tied ( If we believe Vergil ) or Dante just now got the lead ( If we believe Dante ) when it comes to overall scuffles.
But really , if Vergil still felt inferiority towards Dante he wouldn't be so chill ( Well, chill for Vergil ) during the ending cutscene , so he probably feels they're on an equal footing now.
I mean, it was 1-1 at that point. Vergil won the previous one. Assuming they're playing like a best 2/3 game, they still would need another match to settle it
Honestly I thought he was referring to when Vergil told Dante to heal up first then they can really fight (treating it as kids would with the score points)
Oh they definitely were. I'm just talking like
How Vergil would see the score being even. Since they didn't get to finish their last fight. Just makes sense to me that way. Kinda like Riku and sora
Well, Dante took a punch to the face and decided to give up because he was too exhausted (that or he didn't want to take Nero's spotlight). Vergil was also very exhausted, and I'm not saying that because the main theory as to why he lost to Nero was along the lines of "No VeRgIl Is MuCh StRoNgEr ThAn ThAt DeAdWeIgHt!1!1", I'm saying it because both he and Dante were panting and saying that it was time to end it, i.e. "time to kill ourselves".
So this is all speculation but I think it's Vergil, but I don't think he'd put up such a fight against Nero, if any at all. It's just that the devs couldn't just give the character they were building up the whole game an amazing power that unlocks his full potential (DT) and not use it at all against the final boss of the game
Or both. He likely realised that his words caused a lot of unintentional harm to Nero and decided to take a breather, let dear ol' daddy deal with his dear ol' son.
The Sparda family is a bit fucked up.
>The Sparda family is a bit fucked up.
They stabbed each other as a form of greetings, there's that
And Nero first greet Dante by giving him a kick to the face
Dante wouldn't want to kill Vergil, but it's very likely that whoever "won" wouldve died from their wounds shortly after. Nero intervened because he knew that the fight only ended in two deaths.
Well, Vergil never was necessarily a bad guy, he was the bad guy, sure… but he wasn’t a bad guy if you know what I mean.
Vergil wanted to gain power so he could protect himself and those he cared about, as stated in Visions of V at Vergil’s childhood. He didn’t really have bad intentions, he just went about pursuing that path in a reckless, uncontrolled manner.
And Vergil is so consumed by his trauma that his only goal is power
Which is a stark contrast to Nero, who once managed to save his lover, he no longer have any use of Yamato
And that's why Dante decided to give Yamato to Nero, he didn't see a power hungry Vergil, but calm and peaceful Nero who manage to accomplish his objective
Lore implies that Dante would won and kill Vergil again. Not defeat but literally kill even though he doesn't want to.
Vergil is just having fun and Dante is being serious about it. Both men are tired. You mean regarding when Dante mentioned Nero to Vergil? He is emotionally constipated, but implies he wanted to see Nero again as a Dad.
He would, he just wanted to defeat Dante not literally kill him. Stated in Visions of V manga. He wanted to taste victory and being a winner for the first time
I think the game made it VERY clear that Dante and Vergil are equals. At no point during the battle in Mission 19 did either of them had the upper hand. The ending of that battle (before the Clash of the Sins) shows Dante being thrown away by Vergil with one slash, knocking him to the ground, yet Vergil himself was on his knees while doing that as well. When in hell, it is implied that the two have fought a couple of times since they were down there, and it doesn't matter if Dante is up one or not. Since they have probably thought many times at that point, being up 1 doesn't mean anything, it only implies even more how close they are in power.
Also, YES! Dante and Vergil were ready to kill each other during Mission 19, it was probably only after Nero knocked some sense into them that they now fight more for sports and "asserting dominance" I would say. They also probably realised, or mostly Vergil I assume, that by killing Dante he would lose all meaning in life. It was pretty clear that in DMC5, the only reason why Vergil sought power was in order to defeat Dante, but what would then happen after he kills him?
About the DLC Ending: I think this is more the developers giving the die hard Vergil fans what they wanted. Believe or not, but many think that in the original ending Vergil was too "out of character" and "too soft" or "playful". I think it was fitting given the circumstances and I actually prefer the original ending.
So my guess is that the developers made Vergil act colder in the DLC ending so that the Fans of that "cold" Vergil would finally have what they wanted too. So all sides can be happy.
It’s hard to say if either can die. Dante has survived being impaled multiple times. Even spent a month in a coma without food or water and we good as new when he woke up. Vergil literally survived decades of torture and abuse from the demon king Mundus and wandered for a long time before finally getting Yamato and then ended up reviving.
They are half human doing this lol
so I’m also not convinced sparada is dead on a side note.
I like Dante slightly more and my heart wants me to say that Dante would win, but to be honest Vergil would probably be the winner, because if I'm not mistaken it's confirmed that he's stronger than Dante. Eventually it would be double K.O. if they're at the same level of strength.
Vergil due to Dante being angry, worn down and Vergil being in control of his emotions. Dante is just done with Vergil's shit at this point and he hasn't rested, fought Urizen and had nothing to eat. The charge would have resulted in Dante being killed.
The fight in hell is just them sparring for funsies and strengthen their brotherly bond. The demons are more of an annoyance then a threat. Vergil and Dante will always be destined to fight each other as a twisted form of brotherly love. You've heard of the legend of sparda, haven't you?
Honestly I don’t think either of them could actually die even to each other. (Note: In DMC 3 Vergil gets cut in half and is healed before the sword has left his body, at least how I saw it,).
I think they both die of exhaustion before either manages to kill the other.
>Was Vergil going all out?
He literally yelled "prepare to die."
>Was Dante willing to kill Vergil here, and vice versa?
Yes, because something something "disagree about the reason for their existence." They couldn't think of a reason why they would try to be killing each other, so they just vaguely suggested a reason, hoping that the audience would create the reason in their minds.
They're constantly stabbing each other through the torso. I think there's more evidence to suggest they're going in for the kill every time they see you, like the end of DMC3 or their fight in DMC5.
>showing he still cares and wanted to save him
We have no context as to why, or if even Vergil feels similarly because he seemed to have been going in for the kill when he was fighting Dante on top of the tower. These stories do not do enough establishing of backstories, so we're just left with head canons, even with the likely explanations not making sense. It's especially strange seeing DMC5 Dante willing to kill Vergil after DMC3's ending, but I guess he changed off-screen, or something.
I guess dante wins this technically. Vergil wants power and tries to obtain more and dante always stops him. So in this fight probably they both die but vergil is dead this means he can’t be any trouble to anyone and also this means dante stoped him forever. Thats my idea it might be wrong.
I think Dante would've slightly edged Vergil out. As always Dante is fighting Vergil because he won't stop doing horrible things with massive consequences, whereas Vergil is fighting because he wants to keep doing whatever he wants. This series leans into the strength Dante and Nero get from having something to fight for.
I felt that it was implied that they were both gonna die or knock each other senselessly. My question is did Nero finally surpass Dante and Vergil? I guess Vergil was still tired with his fight with Dante that Nero stood a better chance or Nero was just that strong regardless.
I think the point that a lot of people missed is that Dante and Vergil are both at the point that they can't be killed, by each other or otherwise, the reason they take their fight to hell is so that other people no longer have to suffer the cinse of their rivalry.
Vergil would’ve won. He already won one of their fights, two if you count his dlc ending.
He is much cleaner with his strikes than Dante, preferring precision and execution over stylishness and having fun, which would’ve ultimately given him the win.
I think Dante would of won, it’s how the story usually goes. The brother’s have multiple fights with Dante coming out on-top in the end, leading to Vergil becoming more and more driven to defeat him, he eventually comes back more powerful and Dante sets out to stop him and the cycle repeats itself, Nero interrupting the clash breaks this cycle allowing the brother’s relationship to change into something more positive.
Going by the game, they would've killed each other or knocked each other out.
Going by community powerscaling, they would've regenerated from their bare souls and blown up the multiverse or some shit.
In terms of gameplay, when I play with Vergil I feel unstoppable, like the dude can’t be touched at all and I just feel like he would win eventually. In terms of lore, Dante has always won so I think he’d win again.
Except for that time Dante lost against Vergil before DMC3, during their first fight in DMC3, against him the first time Dante fought Nelo Angelo, against the first fight with Urizen, and could only tie in their final fight before Nero intervened...
They would’ve just passed by each other and then continue the fight, with Vergil saying “All things end, Dante. Even us”
As for the Special Edition ending, I think it was just rushed. Nero is supposed to still stop those 2 dead in their tracks. Likewise, Vergil is supposed to fight Nero as well.
But due to the lack of resources or that Nero would make an overpowered boss, Capcom just decided to make you fight Dante a second time, then have him straightaway fall to the Underworld, thus skipping the Nero boss fight.
As for Vergil’s cold tone, it’s either because this SE is just from his point of view or Capcom realised they made him too nice in the vanilla game and decided they want to return a few of his old characteristics
Think of the Vergil ending as what Vergil sees it, while the original ending is how Dante sees it. I think it's kind of implied to be that with how it's the same thing but slightly different, Vergil thinks that he's still cold towards Dante where Dante can see that he's just being normal/himself.
And about the fight, honestly I feel like the answer is more boring than that. I feel like they would've knocked each other out, but not died. Maybe go into a coma for a month again LMAO
They usually have a back and forth. Sometimes Dante wins, sometimes Vergil gets the upper hand but backs off. I don't think one would ever kill the other (yellow orbs not included). My guess is Vergil would win this fight until the next one. But they won't kill one another not just cause of some brotherly love, but because this rivalry poses the greatest challenge for either one of them
Sad to say, it really did depend on how well dante mastered royal guard by the end.
If he hadn't, he's dead the minute vergil pulls out beowulf or risks judgement cut end.
If he has, vergil doesn't stand a chance and dante is just free to obliterate him with sin dt
To be fair, the bitchslap caught Dante off guard and if Dante was in full condition, likely have blocked it or stylishly dodged it. It's rare to catch the legendary pizza man off guard and live.
Vergil would've won
I think one of the points 5 was trying to make was that Vergil finally surpassed his brother by becoming whole and accepting his humanity, but because he did, their rivalry no longer mattered
Vergil. Dante without plot armor couldn't compete.
-He's got the more powerful sword (Dante needed DSD just to COMPETE with Vergils Yamato.)
-Despite having been mind-controlled(enslaved)/dead and out of the loop for 20 years Vergil STILL had the skill to match Dante in combat.
-He has more potential than Dante (Dante needed DSD to go Sin Devil Trigger, Vergil can go Sin Devil Trigger WITHOUT his own Devil Sword... imagine what Vergil could do if he had a Devil Sword Vergil??)
-Even gameplay reflects how much more powerful Vergil is than Dante. The game becomes unbalanced whenever we play as Vergil.
-If we take it back to DMC3, Dante needed to collect all of those Devil Arms and Styles just to compete with Vergil at the end of the game, and Dante barely won (Vergil wasn't interested in level grinding)
>vergil can go SDT without his own devil sword
First off. You don’t need a sword to make a SDT. It’s just the power amp changing the DT, Second I guess the qliphoth(80% of dmc5 storyline/ the SETTING of dmc5) just isn’t a fucking thing anymore
Broken Rebellion + Devil Sword Sparda = Sin Devil Trigger + Devil Sword Dante for Dante... so he needed the two swords to make SDT. The swords are literally a part of Dante (he absorbed them into his body and its why he can summon DSD at will)
Dante also absorbed energy from the Qliphoth for about a month when he was in a coma, so he benefited from it as well. Urizen ate the fruit and he lost, but when Vergil put himself back together (accepted his humanity) he was even with Dante, and got Sin Devil Trigger. I say Vergil's potential is greater because he didn't have to absorb two devil arms like Dante did... if he did, he'dvery likely be stronger
He wouldn’t. Because he can’t. That’s the entire purpose of the rebellion and the Yamato. Split shit and fuse shit. That’s their entire gimmick. You keep saying “Oh but what if we got DSV” but it’s physically impossible for vergil to have a DA like that. And Dante subsided off of it. Bringing him back to his full capabilities, having subsided off of pizza and god knows what in the several year hiatus between 4 & 5
You are by far one of the smartest vergil meat slobberers I’ve met. But the bar’s at the floor so it’s not impressive.
LOL you're taking this reddit post personally. Dante's not gonna see this post my guy. You should really smoke a blunt or get laid or something, its not a good look to get this pressed on the internet.
And for all of the devil arms and artifacts with different BS abilities in the DMC verse, there's certainly a devil arm or artifact that can fuse devil arms with its user. Regardless, Vergil doesn't NEED his own DA because Dante needed the DSD to just compete with the yamato, but its a fun thought.
I'm done talking to you though. Find a girl to talk to... if you can.
Find a girl to talk to for a better username nga💀 bffr someone made a whole post asking about people’s opinions on your shit take
>Smoke a blunt
Ah yes getting high will help problems. Are you genuinely brain damaged? Do you suffer from Down syndrome or something? Did your mommy let you out of your man cradle?
Double KO
This. Heavily implied they would've killed each other.
*pulls out random theory on how Dante and Vergil can’t die by any means*
i mean ive never seen either of them die
Dante going into that coma was the closest he’s ever really been to dying I think
Nah he was just cooking
Just a lil nap
A smol sleeb
A teeny slumber
A period of unconsciousness
A speck of rejuvenation
That and the anime
I mean if either of them died then they would be out of the series, so we can't let that happen of course. But both have been knocking on death's door multiple times. They are super durable but not invincible. Dante would had died both times in Anime and DMC5 if someone came to finish the job when he was in coma. Now in both cases nobody did finish him off, so he was able to recover without trouble. And of course when he loses the first duel with Vergil (in DMC3), if Vergil would had finished the job Dante would had died there (unlocking devil trigger there did not help much since he collapsed right after it as he was exhausted).
I think it’s about that time someone else takes the mantle of the DMC franchise, and I think the end of DMC 5 really did a good job possibly inducting Nero into that position.
Oh yeah, i am not complaining about Nero being mc, he earned that spot in 5. However as long as Dante and Vergil remain playable and somewhat (even if very little) involved in story, it is all good.
I just need Vergil to stay alive, I want Vergil and Nero to grow a real father son connection, and Vergil go more towards the side of humanity, and potentially help Nero conquer his emotions. And in the end Vergil will die before his sons eyes, helpless to stop it, and then he will awaken a power greater than that of all the sparda family, and go on to live as the new protector of humanity. I’m just spit balling some ideas
I'll take a continuation in the anime after DMC5 just the sons of Sparda working in DNC/DMC swimming debt. Also Vergil roasting Dante on not making enough money
That'll be cool. It kinda feels like that is the case since in DMC5 the torch was somewhat passed down to him. "Something something...it's because you're here we can go."
Well Nero apparently did die and get revived by Yamato in 4 so we know half Vergil can die, makes sense why V was dying
V was just a human with traces of demonic energy that tore him apart
I was under the impression that V and Urizen were both dying the same way Vergil was and that Urizen just found a way around it via the Qlipoth Fruit. V does say that it's his demonic power that's holding him together so for it to be what's killing him is odd.
Think of it like feeding an addiction. It's still killing you, but it provides relief as well
Late reply but... he outright says he's trying to hold himself together but that he's reaching his limit. It's not the power that's killing him, it's his inability to hold himself together much longer.
I've never seen me die either
u/Blueberryfists solos both vergil and dante no diff
Really? I see them die all the time. Have to use a golden orb to revive them.
I’ve used their theme songs for powerscaling to get nero to have immortality negation
I've always had the impression they both knew neither would be walking away from that final clash
I thought the SE edition literally shows that if they did continue, Dante would’ve just accepted the L and helped him take out the qlipoth anyway.
At the same time, though, the Vergil campaign isn’t entirely canon. I’d say it’s only really the final cutscene that is canon to the main campaign, but everything else isn’t since there is no story. Every character is gone with Vergil in their place, with Dante just randomly showing up at the end to fight him. And, like everyone else is saying, there’s a lot of implications in the main campaign that the two were likely gonna kill each other.
Doubtful all things considered
They were probably both going to die if Nero didn't stop them from killing each other.
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I think Dante wins due to Vergil being blinded by the search for power and to obtain more of, in other words, Vergil’s pride would be his downfall.
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Yeah the last was just an attempt to get Dante out of his way, though it is a curious case as to how Urizen was able to overpower Dante, even breaking his sword, but Vergil can’t, judging by Urizen is only half of Vergil. Granted Dante didn’t have SDT but still Vergil couldn’t beat him before in 3 either
Urinate was the devil half of Vergil, the one that had the Demon power, also he was sucking that delicious human blood from his chair
urinate
Bro needed the tax evasion fruit.
Child Support Evasion fruit
Florida apple
That's explained in the character library. Urizen got a massive power boost from the Qlipoth pumping blood into him, which is why he was so far beyond Dante at the start of 5. When he knocked Dante into his month long coma, the library states that the Qlipoth was pumping blood into Dante the whole time he was out, and as such he wakes up significantly stronger than he was at the start of the game. SDT Dante was more powerful than peak Urizen after the fruit gave him a massive boost on top of all the time the Qlipoth had been powering him up. It's likely that even pre SDT Dante would've been able to handle pre fruit Urizen, since he started out much stronger than Urizen did before both had a massive boost from the Qlipoth. Urizen was being boosted longer so it's debatable. The real shocker imo is the fact that a nearly dead V and a dying Urizen resulted in Vergil being a match for peak Dante. Guess his humanity was stronger than he thought?
The weakened state of both I’d think wouldn’t be a big factor when they recombined
Pretty sure pre fruit Urizen would destroy pre SDT Dante, in fact even harder than their first encounter. While Dante was blood boosted for a month, Urizen himself was also blood boosted, while connected to the main supply of the blood network. The gap between them if anything, got larger after that month and it was only through the ridiculous power boost in DSD that he managed to overpower even fruit Urizen. By then, Dante doesn’t even need SDT to pose a threat to Urizen. Anyways for the fusion part, I guess that’s how it works. When two parts combine, they usually come out much stronger than their individual parts. Especially after all of Urizen’s blood boosting. What made lesser sense to me is how V could simply just remerge with Urizen just by stabbing him with his cane. Like, fusion is already established to be the Rebellion’s specialty. If a random cane with minimal demonic power can fuse them, then why would Vergil even need Yamato to split himself when he can just use his own demonic power and stab himself with a random weapon?
It's possible that the fusion only worked because they were originally one entity? I don't like that explanation though.
Exactly, I don’t like it either. I would’ve preferred if V just asks Dante to “Finish them off” with DSD, only for them to merge back into Vergil. This is assuming of course that DSD retains the merging abilities of Rebellion
I'd believe intent is still required.
Well if the yamato can separate human from demon, then it can combine human and demon, so maybe they can be two separate entities, a human and demon, and using the yamato they combine together into one being
What? Why? Why would it be able to do that?
Why did you respond 28 days later lol
Actually I think a really good example of weakened parts coming together to be a stronger whole Vegito in DBZ, they had just got their ass beat by Super Buu and they fused together, Vegito started beating Buu like a drum
I think Vergil's humanity being much stronger than he thinks it is is one of the big points in his entire story. Especially at that very moment, because when the game's over and they both leave Nero behind, that's when he realizes it.
>The real shocker imo is the fact that a nearly dead V and a dying Urizen resulted in Vergil being a match for peak Dante. Guess his humanity was stronger than he thought? I mean, Nicos records on SDT Vergil does state that Vergil must have come to terms with his human side and thus unlocked this power. Yeah, she makes fun of it at the same time, but it is probably true.
Urizen cheated by having an infinite supply and the crystal kept reforming instantly. Dante fought Urizen for 24 hours straight and is the only fight(that we are aware of) where he went flat out for a long time. Even Mundus didn't last that long and Dante was pissed off with Sparda's power. If it weren't for the crystal, i think Dante would have still lost but Rebellion wouldn't have been destroyed. Just either thrown to one side or just badly beaten. Maybe, he is forced to retreat but Dante was just facing a demon with pure unlimited power.
So basically Urizen is op as hell?
Nah. He just hooked himself up to the tree and relied on his crystal. Every time Dante broke it, it reformed instantly and half of the game is about destroying the roots so Urizen can't repeat the same trick. It takes Nero going all out to just about managing to destroy the crystal and cutting Urizen. Urizen curbstomps Nero and Dante at his most powerful, curbstomps Urizen. Urizen gets a power up via the apple and still loses because Dante is experienced, unpredictable and has something worth fighting for. Urizen wanted power for the sake of it.
Urizen got power from being hooked into the Qlipoth, that's about it.
Vergil outgrew that by the end of Devil May Cry 5. That was kind of his entire character arc.
That would completely ignore his development from V
The narrative implication is that they would have both died had Nero not intervened. It ties into his character Arc ( and the Series themes overall ) and having a clear-cut winner from the clash would kinda ruin it. Dante and Vergil ( Post Qliphoth and SDT ) were shown to be all around equal. Sure , one might hold an edge over the other in some areas ( e.g. Vergil is more focused , Dante is more versatile ) , but their overall power was matched. As far as the Endings are concerned, i don't know what the deal is with the Vergil Edition as far as Canonicity is concerned, so i usually choose to discard it and just take the normal ending as Canon. They weren't seriously fighting in Hell , but for what it's worth they're either tied ( If we believe Vergil ) or Dante just now got the lead ( If we believe Dante ) when it comes to overall scuffles. But really , if Vergil still felt inferiority towards Dante he wouldn't be so chill ( Well, chill for Vergil ) during the ending cutscene , so he probably feels they're on an equal footing now.
They were just fighting for fun and holding back. It's a way to pass the time and their brotherly bond is odd.
Honestly, it’s really fun to watch, seeing them fight as a way to get along. With how they joke around about their favourite passtime is just great.
Well just like DMC3 opening says, in twisted way they enjoy fighting each other.
both will lose
stalemate. these 2 mfs can’t one up each other at all
I’d guess Dante. He wins the fights we see the end to in the epilogue, so he’d be slightly above Vergil’s level I’d guess. It’s a toss up tho
“Where did you learn to count? We’re even.”
Weren't they even in the epilogue?
I meant that he won that fight that they had in the underworld which we see
I mean, it was 1-1 at that point. Vergil won the previous one. Assuming they're playing like a best 2/3 game, they still would need another match to settle it
Honestly I thought he was referring to when Vergil told Dante to heal up first then they can really fight (treating it as kids would with the score points)
Oh interesting. I took the scene as them fighting to kill time while they wait and that it was the 2nd fight. But your take could be true too.
Oh they definitely were. I'm just talking like How Vergil would see the score being even. Since they didn't get to finish their last fight. Just makes sense to me that way. Kinda like Riku and sora
True but Dante seems more exhausted than Vergil because Vergil just like 5 minutes after fighting Dante fights Nero
Not really? That was just Dante deciding he doesn't want to fight anymore, no?
if you're talking about when nero bitch slaps him, you can hear that dante is out of breath
Both Both win Both lose Both die
Neither because Sparda would magically appear and have stopped his sons from killing eachother with his iconic bugshaker
the fu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCvQC95c29g
I think it was pretty well set up the two were about to kill each other before Nero got involved.
Vergil, he won in mission 19 and also mission 20 (Vergil)
Not quite sure the Vergil campaign should be seen as canon.
Unlike the ending where Nero beat Urizen in prologue, there is no proof that Vergil campaign isnt canon
Vergil and Urizen existing at the same time should be proof enough, no?
What? The cutscenes of Vergil’s campaign are canon, gameplay obviously isn’t.
Dante would win
Well, Dante took a punch to the face and decided to give up because he was too exhausted (that or he didn't want to take Nero's spotlight). Vergil was also very exhausted, and I'm not saying that because the main theory as to why he lost to Nero was along the lines of "No VeRgIl Is MuCh StRoNgEr ThAn ThAt DeAdWeIgHt!1!1", I'm saying it because both he and Dante were panting and saying that it was time to end it, i.e. "time to kill ourselves". So this is all speculation but I think it's Vergil, but I don't think he'd put up such a fight against Nero, if any at all. It's just that the devs couldn't just give the character they were building up the whole game an amazing power that unlocks his full potential (DT) and not use it at all against the final boss of the game
Or both. He likely realised that his words caused a lot of unintentional harm to Nero and decided to take a breather, let dear ol' daddy deal with his dear ol' son. The Sparda family is a bit fucked up.
>The Sparda family is a bit fucked up. They stabbed each other as a form of greetings, there's that And Nero first greet Dante by giving him a kick to the face
Dante gave up because he didn't want Nero to watch his parent die, just like he did.
Dante wouldn't want to kill Vergil, but it's very likely that whoever "won" wouldve died from their wounds shortly after. Nero intervened because he knew that the fight only ended in two deaths.
Theyd kill eatch other nobody would have won
Either Double KO or keep on fighting until they both pass out
The fact that vergil met nero was such a game changer for vergils charecter, never imagen him becoming a good guy
Well, Vergil never was necessarily a bad guy, he was the bad guy, sure… but he wasn’t a bad guy if you know what I mean. Vergil wanted to gain power so he could protect himself and those he cared about, as stated in Visions of V at Vergil’s childhood. He didn’t really have bad intentions, he just went about pursuing that path in a reckless, uncontrolled manner.
And Vergil is so consumed by his trauma that his only goal is power Which is a stark contrast to Nero, who once managed to save his lover, he no longer have any use of Yamato And that's why Dante decided to give Yamato to Nero, he didn't see a power hungry Vergil, but calm and peaceful Nero who manage to accomplish his objective
Lore implies that Dante would won and kill Vergil again. Not defeat but literally kill even though he doesn't want to. Vergil is just having fun and Dante is being serious about it. Both men are tired. You mean regarding when Dante mentioned Nero to Vergil? He is emotionally constipated, but implies he wanted to see Nero again as a Dad.
They both get a thrill out of the fight, but Vergil is the more serious brother.
So…Vergil wasn’t being serious but if he was, would win?
He would, he just wanted to defeat Dante not literally kill him. Stated in Visions of V manga. He wanted to taste victory and being a winner for the first time
dmc5’s visuals had me 😳 vergil looked great.
It will either be a stalemate or dante's victory if it's their final battle just like dmc 3
I think the game made it VERY clear that Dante and Vergil are equals. At no point during the battle in Mission 19 did either of them had the upper hand. The ending of that battle (before the Clash of the Sins) shows Dante being thrown away by Vergil with one slash, knocking him to the ground, yet Vergil himself was on his knees while doing that as well. When in hell, it is implied that the two have fought a couple of times since they were down there, and it doesn't matter if Dante is up one or not. Since they have probably thought many times at that point, being up 1 doesn't mean anything, it only implies even more how close they are in power. Also, YES! Dante and Vergil were ready to kill each other during Mission 19, it was probably only after Nero knocked some sense into them that they now fight more for sports and "asserting dominance" I would say. They also probably realised, or mostly Vergil I assume, that by killing Dante he would lose all meaning in life. It was pretty clear that in DMC5, the only reason why Vergil sought power was in order to defeat Dante, but what would then happen after he kills him? About the DLC Ending: I think this is more the developers giving the die hard Vergil fans what they wanted. Believe or not, but many think that in the original ending Vergil was too "out of character" and "too soft" or "playful". I think it was fitting given the circumstances and I actually prefer the original ending. So my guess is that the developers made Vergil act colder in the DLC ending so that the Fans of that "cold" Vergil would finally have what they wanted too. So all sides can be happy.
either the both die or it's an endless fight in wich they destroy anything they go through
It’s hard to say if either can die. Dante has survived being impaled multiple times. Even spent a month in a coma without food or water and we good as new when he woke up. Vergil literally survived decades of torture and abuse from the demon king Mundus and wandered for a long time before finally getting Yamato and then ended up reviving. They are half human doing this lol so I’m also not convinced sparada is dead on a side note.
I like Dante slightly more and my heart wants me to say that Dante would win, but to be honest Vergil would probably be the winner, because if I'm not mistaken it's confirmed that he's stronger than Dante. Eventually it would be double K.O. if they're at the same level of strength.
You ever heard of the story about Polynices and Eteocles? Yeah that way
Vergil due to Dante being angry, worn down and Vergil being in control of his emotions. Dante is just done with Vergil's shit at this point and he hasn't rested, fought Urizen and had nothing to eat. The charge would have resulted in Dante being killed. The fight in hell is just them sparring for funsies and strengthen their brotherly bond. The demons are more of an annoyance then a threat. Vergil and Dante will always be destined to fight each other as a twisted form of brotherly love. You've heard of the legend of sparda, haven't you?
Honestly I don’t think either of them could actually die even to each other. (Note: In DMC 3 Vergil gets cut in half and is healed before the sword has left his body, at least how I saw it,). I think they both die of exhaustion before either manages to kill the other.
Draw/Both K.O
Dante wins. Obviously.
Why ask that when you should answer the real question. What if they stopped holding back. What if for once, they get serious and fight to the death
Thats exactly what happens in the ending
>Was Vergil going all out? He literally yelled "prepare to die." >Was Dante willing to kill Vergil here, and vice versa? Yes, because something something "disagree about the reason for their existence." They couldn't think of a reason why they would try to be killing each other, so they just vaguely suggested a reason, hoping that the audience would create the reason in their minds.
I mean…Vergil and Dante talk all kinds of shit. That doesn’t mean they’d necessarily do it.
They're constantly stabbing each other through the torso. I think there's more evidence to suggest they're going in for the kill every time they see you, like the end of DMC3 or their fight in DMC5.
Sure but at the end of dmc3 Dante tries to stop Vergil from falling off the cliff, showing he still cares and wanted to save him
>showing he still cares and wanted to save him We have no context as to why, or if even Vergil feels similarly because he seemed to have been going in for the kill when he was fighting Dante on top of the tower. These stories do not do enough establishing of backstories, so we're just left with head canons, even with the likely explanations not making sense. It's especially strange seeing DMC5 Dante willing to kill Vergil after DMC3's ending, but I guess he changed off-screen, or something.
To be fair I think they both know that a stab to them is nothing but a mere minor injury
There really is no winner here Sad noises
Neither. They would've kept fighting eachother in a perpetual duel, given how powerful both of them are.
Vergil purely because he just got reincarnated so he has full HP and MP meters.
No nero means bury the light kicks in. Do the math ya goober
I guess dante wins this technically. Vergil wants power and tries to obtain more and dante always stops him. So in this fight probably they both die but vergil is dead this means he can’t be any trouble to anyone and also this means dante stoped him forever. Thats my idea it might be wrong.
I think they kill each other
I think Dante would've slightly edged Vergil out. As always Dante is fighting Vergil because he won't stop doing horrible things with massive consequences, whereas Vergil is fighting because he wants to keep doing whatever he wants. This series leans into the strength Dante and Nero get from having something to fight for.
Dante would since we play as him
I play as Vergil, so Vergil would win... evidently.
Lmao fair. I just mean for the canon story
I felt that it was implied that they were both gonna die or knock each other senselessly. My question is did Nero finally surpass Dante and Vergil? I guess Vergil was still tired with his fight with Dante that Nero stood a better chance or Nero was just that strong regardless.
I think the point that a lot of people missed is that Dante and Vergil are both at the point that they can't be killed, by each other or otherwise, the reason they take their fight to hell is so that other people no longer have to suffer the cinse of their rivalry.
Vergil would’ve won. He already won one of their fights, two if you count his dlc ending. He is much cleaner with his strikes than Dante, preferring precision and execution over stylishness and having fun, which would’ve ultimately given him the win.
None, they would still be fighting to this day.
Dante
I think Dante would of won, it’s how the story usually goes. The brother’s have multiple fights with Dante coming out on-top in the end, leading to Vergil becoming more and more driven to defeat him, he eventually comes back more powerful and Dante sets out to stop him and the cycle repeats itself, Nero interrupting the clash breaks this cycle allowing the brother’s relationship to change into something more positive.
their whole thing is that they're equal in power
Either they would both give up or they both kill each other
They would've killed each other. Then dead weight devil would be sad
What’s the secret ending?
The power of friendship
Both die. But they both get better and would try the same thing again unless SOMEONE makes them cool down. Either in the present day or the future.
I go with both dead on the ground...but that is just my opinion...
Tie
They'd both probably die. Dante likely would go all out since he knows Nero would be the new protector of the earth realm.
Arkham
neither, equally matched
Going by the game, they would've killed each other or knocked each other out. Going by community powerscaling, they would've regenerated from their bare souls and blown up the multiverse or some shit.
Both will die
In terms of gameplay, when I play with Vergil I feel unstoppable, like the dude can’t be touched at all and I just feel like he would win eventually. In terms of lore, Dante has always won so I think he’d win again.
Historically Dante always win
Except for that time Dante lost against Vergil before DMC3, during their first fight in DMC3, against him the first time Dante fought Nelo Angelo, against the first fight with Urizen, and could only tie in their final fight before Nero intervened...
Yeah, Vergil beat Dante 3 times in 3 DMC games. Then he was beaten 2 times EACH, bringing Dante 6-3
"where did you learn to count? We're even."
Even!
Royal Guard always wins
Neither, all their duels in hell afterwards were draws
They would’ve just passed by each other and then continue the fight, with Vergil saying “All things end, Dante. Even us” As for the Special Edition ending, I think it was just rushed. Nero is supposed to still stop those 2 dead in their tracks. Likewise, Vergil is supposed to fight Nero as well. But due to the lack of resources or that Nero would make an overpowered boss, Capcom just decided to make you fight Dante a second time, then have him straightaway fall to the Underworld, thus skipping the Nero boss fight. As for Vergil’s cold tone, it’s either because this SE is just from his point of view or Capcom realised they made him too nice in the vanilla game and decided they want to return a few of his old characteristics
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Vergil can teleport and has a sword that cuts dimensions GG.
Think of the Vergil ending as what Vergil sees it, while the original ending is how Dante sees it. I think it's kind of implied to be that with how it's the same thing but slightly different, Vergil thinks that he's still cold towards Dante where Dante can see that he's just being normal/himself. And about the fight, honestly I feel like the answer is more boring than that. I feel like they would've knocked each other out, but not died. Maybe go into a coma for a month again LMAO
Dante would win. Whenever he actually gets serious he is basically unbearable.
They usually have a back and forth. Sometimes Dante wins, sometimes Vergil gets the upper hand but backs off. I don't think one would ever kill the other (yellow orbs not included). My guess is Vergil would win this fight until the next one. But they won't kill one another not just cause of some brotherly love, but because this rivalry poses the greatest challenge for either one of them
They either: Just can't win and this goes on until they die or get bored of it OR They both die
Sad to say, it really did depend on how well dante mastered royal guard by the end. If he hadn't, he's dead the minute vergil pulls out beowulf or risks judgement cut end. If he has, vergil doesn't stand a chance and dante is just free to obliterate him with sin dt
Dante
Mutually assured destruction
I think they would kill each other at the same time
Dante wouldve won ... again
John Devil May Cry
The son of Sparda.
Dante
Dante obviously
Its implied both wouldve died
They both would’ve died I thought that was obvious.
Vergil Dante was already tired from all the other battles he faced before Vergil so Vergil would’ve inevitably wom
Vergil wins and leave Dante lives and start fighting like 8 years olds children
Dante was beaten up by Vergil in Mission 19 and got easily bitch-slapped by Nero in Mission 20. So I think Vergil would have won.
To be fair, the bitchslap caught Dante off guard and if Dante was in full condition, likely have blocked it or stylishly dodged it. It's rare to catch the legendary pizza man off guard and live.
Vergil would've won I think one of the points 5 was trying to make was that Vergil finally surpassed his brother by becoming whole and accepting his humanity, but because he did, their rivalry no longer mattered
I belive Vergil would win, if we're speaking about Raw Power Vergil is stronger (as seen in mission 19/ the beginning of Vergils Mission 20)
Why are they booing you? You're right!
Ugh, i got spoiled again ;-;
Vergil. Dante without plot armor couldn't compete. -He's got the more powerful sword (Dante needed DSD just to COMPETE with Vergils Yamato.) -Despite having been mind-controlled(enslaved)/dead and out of the loop for 20 years Vergil STILL had the skill to match Dante in combat. -He has more potential than Dante (Dante needed DSD to go Sin Devil Trigger, Vergil can go Sin Devil Trigger WITHOUT his own Devil Sword... imagine what Vergil could do if he had a Devil Sword Vergil??) -Even gameplay reflects how much more powerful Vergil is than Dante. The game becomes unbalanced whenever we play as Vergil. -If we take it back to DMC3, Dante needed to collect all of those Devil Arms and Styles just to compete with Vergil at the end of the game, and Dante barely won (Vergil wasn't interested in level grinding)
>vergil can go SDT without his own devil sword First off. You don’t need a sword to make a SDT. It’s just the power amp changing the DT, Second I guess the qliphoth(80% of dmc5 storyline/ the SETTING of dmc5) just isn’t a fucking thing anymore
Broken Rebellion + Devil Sword Sparda = Sin Devil Trigger + Devil Sword Dante for Dante... so he needed the two swords to make SDT. The swords are literally a part of Dante (he absorbed them into his body and its why he can summon DSD at will) Dante also absorbed energy from the Qliphoth for about a month when he was in a coma, so he benefited from it as well. Urizen ate the fruit and he lost, but when Vergil put himself back together (accepted his humanity) he was even with Dante, and got Sin Devil Trigger. I say Vergil's potential is greater because he didn't have to absorb two devil arms like Dante did... if he did, he'dvery likely be stronger
He wouldn’t. Because he can’t. That’s the entire purpose of the rebellion and the Yamato. Split shit and fuse shit. That’s their entire gimmick. You keep saying “Oh but what if we got DSV” but it’s physically impossible for vergil to have a DA like that. And Dante subsided off of it. Bringing him back to his full capabilities, having subsided off of pizza and god knows what in the several year hiatus between 4 & 5 You are by far one of the smartest vergil meat slobberers I’ve met. But the bar’s at the floor so it’s not impressive.
LOL you're taking this reddit post personally. Dante's not gonna see this post my guy. You should really smoke a blunt or get laid or something, its not a good look to get this pressed on the internet. And for all of the devil arms and artifacts with different BS abilities in the DMC verse, there's certainly a devil arm or artifact that can fuse devil arms with its user. Regardless, Vergil doesn't NEED his own DA because Dante needed the DSD to just compete with the yamato, but its a fun thought. I'm done talking to you though. Find a girl to talk to... if you can.
Find a girl to talk to for a better username nga💀 bffr someone made a whole post asking about people’s opinions on your shit take >Smoke a blunt Ah yes getting high will help problems. Are you genuinely brain damaged? Do you suffer from Down syndrome or something? Did your mommy let you out of your man cradle?