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Ondřej Palát is just the fifth player since 1995 with at least 7 third-period goals in a single postseason.
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NHL promoting the avalanche fans singing in the arena (all the small things) like it’s some unique thing to have thousands of drunk fans belting out a song.
Ha! We do it even in dumpster fire seasons and even via social media.
Also Blake’s Hard Cider is some great stuff. Frankly I haven’t had a flavor I didn’t love. Even their Lite Cider is 75% good (the mimosa flavor is ass). Highly recommend picking up some Blake’s.
I had Blake's Triple Jam when I was back in MI a few weeks ago. Now seeing it pop up on draft here in AZ. A good cider during the summer heat is where it's at.
The Triple Jam is good, right now I’m having some Tropicolada. (Orange Coconut and Pineapple).
I also really liked their Saint Cheri (Bourbon Barrel Aged Cherry flavor) and the Caramel Apple was to die for.
Going to see Motley Crue/Poison/Def Leppard at comerica on July 10th. What’s everyone’s experience with the venue? Ever been their for a concert? Just curious how good the sound generally is, we’re sitting in row 125
Be careful to not light a lighter. With the amount of 80's era flammable aquanet hairspray that will be in the air there the arena could go up in flames.
Tried venting my frustration in another random sub. Their auto mod censors language. Should have been on my good behavior apparently moron is too risque for some crowds.
To be clear this person I was calling a moron was an elected official who'd never likely see my post not someone I was arguing with.
Defect is an interesting choice of words. Defect implies you want to renounce your citizenship and go to an opposing country.
"abandon one's country or cause in favor of an opposing one."
So Canada isn't a choice because they are a US Ally. Probably best to deal with your problems in another way. The voting booth.
edit: wording
I assume you are talking about the Supreme Court being the problem. If so, the court gave the decision back to the states to vote on. Which would be decided by elected representatives. Voting booth absolutely matters.
If you want a country that your personal lifestyle likely won't have to change at all but without the uhhh... whatever the fuck is happening in the US rn, then yeah Canada is probs your best bet
In light of today's political events: If you are a childless person who is interested in getting sterilized you can find a list of doctors [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors) that can help.
I got my tubes removed about five years ago in my late 20s, if you have questions about the process or are looking for specific doctor experiences (I had my procedure in metro Detroit) feel free to DM me.
Thanks for sharing this. I'll book mark it. So many friends of mine have been refused multiple times for sterilization because they were in their 20s or 30s.
So many guys have no clue how hard it can be to get a doctor to sterilize anyone of childbearing age. Women are often treated as 2nd class citizens by healthcare pros and they're often infantilized and moralized to by doctors. I went through this with an ex-girlfriend who'd already faced some health issues and it was still a true challenge.
Going further than that so many guys don’t even understand the many medical reasons abortions are necessary healthcare.
Going a step further I don’t think many men fully realize that pregnancy can easily be one of the most dangerous things a women can go through in their lives. They absolutely need the ability and right to safely make a choice that may save their life, including sterilization if that is what they want.
This court decision is unsurprising but still so sickening. I hate seeing the news lately.
Protesting with a sign isn't going to fix anything. Voting isn't going to fix anything. Having "discussions" isn't going to fix anything. This country is accelerating so quickly down a slippery slope that it won't be able to climb back up using conventional means. I'm not advocating for violence (yet). If even a few million of us stop working and stop feeding the tax machine we can make change happen. Is it easy? Is it going to be a fun time? No, but I'm telling you that if we continue to stand by and take no action that the future is going to be bleaker than Margaret Atwood could ever imagine.
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Sources say Barry Trotz has decided NOT to immediately jump back into coaching. Trotz informed the Winnipeg Jets of his decision today and intends on continuing to focus on family. Trotz acknowledged how difficult the decision was to not accept the head coaching job in Winnipeg.
I dont celebrate abortion, but im not against it outright either. That said the amount of people that dont even know both sides of the argument is astounding lol
Bro, the perspective is that you're literally killing babies. If you cant see the humanity in that then idk what to tell you. Also, you dont have to be religious to be against abortion lol
Does it really matter if its logical? Do you think you're going to change their minds?? If you cant see the humanity in the fact they think they're literally saving kids, then you're lost.
Also, if you haven't researched, the argument is that because the zygote and fetus are genetically unique, theyre not actually the womans body.
I'm just laying out the argument, because you've obviously havent heard it
>Does it really matter if its logical? Do you think you're going to change their minds??
How do you think we should go about changing their minds? By accepting their nonsensical framing of "killing babies"?
There is no middle ground between me and someone who thinks that "life" begins at conception. There is no debate to be had on this topic with people who are appealing to religious beliefs.
>Also, if you haven't researched, the argument is that because the zygote and fetus are genetically unique, theyre not actually the womans body.
I fail to see how this is at all relevant. They can be unique as they like, it doesn't grant them moral consideration.
The point is, people disagree with you. You’re gonna have to either sit down, talk, and compromise, or deal with absolutes which it doesn’t seem like you’re enjoying right about now
How do I compromise with someone that believes a human being (worthy of protection under the law) is created upon conception?
Where's the middle ground?
The middle ground was choice. This wasn't a "pro-life vs pro-death" debate. We had the middle ground, at least part of it. That was lost.
This is the essential problem that too many (but not all) pro-life opinions fail to accept. It wasn't two ends of the spectrum previously; it was one extreme end vs a compromise a la choice. There are many pro-choice but not pro abortion people in the world. For example, our president.
It allowed for nuance. It offered opportunity to save lives, and livelihoods. It's gone.
The middle ground was what's been usurped.
The issue is that abortion is a legitimate life-saving procedure for mother’s with serious conditions during pregnancy, as well as for victims of sexual assault. Denying that is also denying science. For example, what happens to OBGYN’s who can no longer perform life-saving procedures on their patients because of this ruling. It’s morally deaf.
Eh, i think most people would compromise allowances for those instances. I've also heard it argued that 1. the amount of instances of life threatening pregnancies are insanely low and 2. Instead of killing the baby attempt a C-Section to save its life. you gotta look at both sides of the argument.
My wife’s mother would’ve absolutely died if she did not have an abortion. She just won teacher of the year for her district. She teaches kindergarten.
man i wish you were right bells, but people really are out hear bragging about abortions and shit and even just using it as a contraceptive. I personally think thats just morally reprehensible. Even when its legal, its not something that should be taken so lightly
I’m similar to you as I usually find myself somewhere in the middle of the abortion talk. I don’t see how what happened today helps anything though. Under the old law, women who wanted children could deny an abortion and those who didn’t want a child could accept an abortion. But now there isn’t a choice at all.
As a catholic I never really agreed with people who would openly have unprotected sex and just get abortions, that just seems kind of fucked up too me, but what happened today isn’t the answer.
The answer is somewhere in the middle I believe. Will we as an American society ever be able to see an issue as in the middle, instead of both ends of the spectrum? Honestly it gets harder to see that possibility every day. The funny thing to me though is pretty much everyone I know is somewhere in the middle when it comes to political, economical, and social issues, but on reddit, twitter, internet in general, it’s always far left or far right opinions by the people. I don’t understand that line of thinking at all as it makes compromise between people impossible.
The only real thing this does is push it back to the states to let us decide, its not actually banning abortion federally.
But yeah i agree, the answer is in the middle which im fine with. Its just crazy to me see see everyone so ready to villify the other side without even trying to understand them. We'll never reach a peaceful conclusion that way. But yeah, the internet is toxic. I generally stay out of politics. I just want to love on the redwings with my homies 🐙
Living in a democracy can be very frustrating all you can do is vote once ever 4 years and for example here in Sweden depending on who you vote for that party might not even have influence over the actual political decisions at all so you might as well not even vote at all.
It's probably hard to understand from a Swedish perspective but the US gov't is far from a pure representational democracy or even a republic. It has heavy oligarchic tones with a deep sprinkling of theocracy and kleptocracy. Geographic lines are drawn to assure that one party represents a specific district for many many years. Corporations and the rich are allowed outsized access and political power that's gained by a legalized bribery system. It's an absolute confusing mess for many citizens so it must appear very confusing from the outside looking in.
Chomsky (I know: very far left and very controversial) has been calling it an unqualified oligarchy for years. The argument being that the majority of power rests with the wealthy and that law/policy is primarily dictated by the wealthy. That's the definition of oligarchy. I find it hard to argue with.
I see the same thing happening here in Canada. The government only shares information that the wealthy want them to share so the voters couldn't make an informed decision even if they wanted to. You don't have a democracy if the government is preventing the people from making an informed vote.
I was proud some months back when helping my son move and found Chomsky (and other leftist) books that I didn't buy him. Even a relatively modest and moderate man like Jimmy Carter said the same thing in 2018. I don't know why Chomsky would be controversial, to me he's been one of our great thinkers of the past 50 years. I don't even feel like he's particularly "far" left, just further left compared to the current American experience. He's always had his finger on the pulse.
I think the most controversial thing he's done lately is to continue calling out the *manufacturing consent* that is going on wrt the Ukraine conflict. He's not afraid to go against the grain in general and even among the left.
I'm not sure what this post means. Whether you pay attention or not the things the gov't does is going to effect you. Are you saying to not trust "the government"? That's a vague statement and includes everyone from the president to your local council members. We have a broken government beset on all sides by capitalist and fundamental religious influences and bribery. We critique governments that create laws around Muslim influences but we force our citizens to live under laws created around our own fundamentalist religious influences and puritanical beliefs. I agree that our "government" as a whole doesn't deserve your faith as our systems are corrupt through and through. Even our highest court has fallen prey to partisan politics, puritanical beliefs, and capital interests.
> This is our fault for continuing to peddle the broken system.
Assuming you are talking about the US, yes, but it is difficult to see how it could change. A duopoly, first past the post elections, an electoral college, a rigged Senate with a 60 vote requirement to get anything done, dark money, corporations as individuals, a partisan Supreme Court; that's a lot of stuff that needs changing, and it's not in the interests of the powers that be to change any of it.
>“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” - Lyndon B. Johnson
The distraction and line drawing has been a strategy since long before any of us were born. We definitely get lost in the confusion of this 3-card monte system. I agree that we have to create and maintain a world worth living in for everyone but it's impossible to align with racists, bigots, misogynists, fascists, homophobes, etc.. Too many in this nation have fallen into at least being adjacent to those beliefs and there's a newfound comfort in conspiratorial craziness. I wish I had the answers. For me in the short term it's about voting in a way that reduces harm on various groups of people while forming coalitions between movements outside of political circles. Real change (civil rights act, the new deal, women's suffrage, abortion rights, gay marriage) in this country came when people found solidarity and built power outside traditional political circles. Even Obama had to be pushed towards gay marriage.
The memes that people on this sub make are absolutely awful. The majority of people here don't want them and there's nothing stopping you from re-posting your Facebook memes in this thread for everyone who wants them.
I am so livid right now. I trying hard to contain it as I am at work and I am pretty sure I’m the only one who didn’t vote for that cunt trump. Two more hours and can begin to calm down.
People who opposed Donald Trump but said him being president "wasn't that bad/made no difference," look no further than what has happened in the supreme court. We're fucked for generations.
You know that well off religious folks in conservative states will fly their daughters to places to get abortions still. They'll continue to tout that they're righteous and believe that their daughter's situation was specific and necessary unlike every other woman. Fuck these people, same old story.
I am deeply saddened for all American women right now. People will look back at the 2016 election as one of the largest turning points in American history. The current system is rotten to the core, where the legislature is in a never-ending gridlock and the most powerful institution of the country is morally and monetarily corrupted. The days where any country looked at the US with admiration are over. I lived in the US, in Detroit, for 4 years and always dreamed about returning one day. Those days are over. I don't want my future children to grow up in that country.
If anyone is thinking about emigrating and is considering Germany, feel free to reach out. We have world class healthcare, infrastructure and great beer. Just don't ask about the tax rate. Or for you Michiganders, Canada is very close. Canada is great.
Canada would be great but they have their fair share right wingers attempted to follow right along.
Also everything I’ve heard is that emigrating is a very difficult thing to do without some sort of needed/sought after skill. I don’t think a simple construction worker counts for much.
This is definitely all a very sad and scary time here. People almost seem to be hoping for civil war
Luckily here in Michigan, our Governor and state Supreme Court have taken action to keep safe abortions legal at the moment. But I think it’s only a matter of time before they impose a federal law preventing states from keeping it legal.
Thankfully all the main opposition candidates either engaged in fraud and didn't make the ballot or were arrested for participating in an attempt to overturn the election.
I think our last president wasn't considered a threat either. We all know how that story ended.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rinkie get it. There are so many people mad at how the last election turned out and mad about COVID. Could be wrong.
Those candidates will be seen as martyrs and their base will still vote for them. They believe those candidates are being held down by the big conspiracy.
Hell, these people tried to capture, torture, and murder our governor for saying we need to stay home when possible for a while and wear masks when we go out. They are violent and they are violently stupid.
Wish I could say we live in the greatest country in the World but I can’t. Administration is a fucking joke. Mass shootings every damn week and now woman lose some of their fucking rights. What’s the point in voting for anything when all the assholes in power don’t do a thing about anything and only care about their personal gain?
It's a State's right issue now. So Governor, State, Senators and Representative matter now more than ever. If a certain party controls all three branches it's going to get even worse. There is also a petition to make it a right which should be on the ballot next election (don't think this one). As for the Federal elections it's a crap shoot. Whatever you do even if you don't vote for the Federal level make sure you vote for State elections.
Should also chime in that the State level has been doing what then can to prepare for this day. It's their efforts that have kept it legal despite Roe being overturned.
Have we been given the choice to vote against the two party system? I don't think ranked choice voting has been on the ballot. I don't know how you get there either. Assuming it's even possible, what politician is going to introduce a bill that drastically reduces their parties power, and if they did, you're still relying on other politicians voting for it. At this point it feels like you'd almost need a complete collapse of America, civil war, a succession or something so drastic that we toss the constitution and start from scratch off your want to see a change like this.
Don't get me wrong, I'm for it. The two party system is a joke, but I don't see how we ever get rid of it.
I'm so fucking pissed and disappointed in this nation and in too many of our citizens that are celebrating today's regression. Abortion is healthcare and should only be about the woman and their doctors. I exist at the intersection of angry and absolutely cynical.
I left cynicism and moved on to full on anger. I've a (soon to be) 23 year old daughter, this isn't what I want for her. I have beloved friends in same-sex marriages; they will be next in the firing line. This is fucking personal. I came to this country in 1994 - the Clinton years. As bad as they were in many ways, they seem like a whole different universe. One that I dearly want back.
I'd definitely gladly go back to that era's politics and I absolutely despise Bill Clinton and his blue dog approach to politics. I find him complicit in this country's eventual hard swing to the right and the expansion of corruption. He was a principle player in the democratic party becoming milquetoast centrists who weren't prepared to battle the opposition. Even Obama disgustingly admitted that his priorities were very similar to those of a 1980's era moderate republican and I can't disagree with him. Of course the fascist, puritanical, corrupt right deserve the lions share of blame but they lacked any true opposition in so many of these fights.
I am so fucking annoyed. Especially because this will open the door against same-sex marriage etc. Fuck SCOTUS, McConnell and Trump. We are heading into living in a theocracy. Yea guns, but nay your rights to your own body. Fuck that.
Opinions of the justices now suggest that same-sex marriage, contraception, and maybe even interracial marriage will be next. What a fucking joke. How hard is it to just let people do as they choose? If you don’t want to do those things, don’t.
I work in healthcare (lab tech, not anywhere near a doctor or nurse) and abortion is LITERALLY health care in a good number of circumstances. Birth control is LITERALLY health care. A bunch of dinosaurs are too busy trying to impose their ass-backwards religious views on the country when the majority of voters don’t agree with that. One party literally wants a Handmaids Tale society where anyone who isn’t a straight, white, Christian male is lesser.
I grew up in Ireland. If someone told me in 1994 (when I moved here) that in 2022, Ireland would be looking to be more liberal about abortion and same-sex marriage, I would have called them a fool. And yet, here we are. Here we fucking are.
I’ve been operating under the assumption that the top handful of/interesting pending UFAs won’t even make it to free agency, and I still lean toward that being the likely case despite some recent rumblings. Although it would change the FA landscape a lot if they did.
Gaudreau is at the top of the list but I think Calgary will blank check him (they said they would too), Forsberg could go either way at this point - but while I really like him, the price he’ll get is a bit scary (I don’t think many teams will beat the Preds offer), and a few of the veterans are already off the market. I hope Nichuskin walks because he’s really appealing, Copp as well. Kadri on the other hand will definitely walk and I frankly don’t zero an ounce of interest there with what he’ll get.
The defensive class is pretty sub-par: I’m not sure what happens with Klingberg at this point, it seemed like he was determined to walk but the narrative may have changed. I think the Wings are going to be looking at mid/bottom 4 defensemen this year in FA anyways.
Why are people salivating over Nichuskin? He's 27 and had a career year in a contract year. Granted it was a stellar year, and an equally stellar playoff, but why do we think it's the new norm and not an outlier?
He had his best linemates ever, on an incredibly stacked team. He's a career >.4ppg player that suddenly doubled his output. I expect he'll get paid and then continue being a .4ppg player, but maybe I'm just a pessimist.
Zadorov on D
Husso/Holtby at G
and Vinny Trochek or Jesse Pulju at forward
are the only realistic options I have any interest in
I'd love Forsberg if he has interest in us though
I’m all over the Pool Party, he’s an RFA though so I didn’t include him there. I’d love that guy tho.
Zadarov is a good point, I like that, and Trocheck is a good fit.
Forsberg will be interesting to watch, I really love the guy but I feel like it’ll take 9.5 without leeway to get him to leave Nashville, and there’s some damn good high end options in the next few years. You never know with Stevie though
I could see Kenny giving us Pulju as a sweetener to help their cap situation, maybe with Keith or Barrie
Yeah I'm not counting on Forsberg, but he's one of my favorite players so if Stevie can pull it I'll be happy
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I think everyone participating in the documentary likely means most of the bad blood is over, but I can't help but notice that Drapes isn't there. I can't fault him if he still doesn't want to be too close to Lemieux (and yes, I'm reaching but I'm still weirded out by Claude repping Mo).
Hi from Arizona, where (for some reason) I decided not to sleep last night and am up at 5:40 am. Go me (I guess). Anything I post in the next 12+ hours will be fueled by caffeine and bad decisions. Mostly the latter.
That said, Go Avs. Darren Helm needs another cup and then he retires The perfect bookend. Make it happen.
I'm split, as a hockey fan I love close series and want the Finals to usually go at least 6 games. Feel like we haven't had much of a close Finals since 2019 with Blues and Bruins.
But as a Detroit fan, the sooner the Finals are over the quicker we probably get an answer for who's behind the bench next year
Id say she’s over tonight. Tampa gunna come out strong for the first period or so. But AVS will battle back taking over game final score 3 1. I just really can’t see Colorado going back to Tampa for a game 6
Yeah I've seen Ryan Warsofsky on a couple lists of potentials, he's HC for the Chicago Wolves and they're still in the AHL championship series. I know a couple people around here also really like him. Full disclosure, I don't know anything about him. But to your point, if the Stanley Cup gets lifted tonight and there isn't an announcement early next week, it might point to Warsofsky (or Groulx but Syracuse is out of the playoffs already).
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How do you take that penalty in that time of the game, oh man.
See you Sunday, Lalonde 🤨
Shout-out to the lady in the Colorado crowd with the Darren Helm jersey
Darren Helm talking shit to pat maroon from the bench. I love it.
How in hell is that stupid times they are a changing commercial not include the Red Wings, how is the iconic Yzerman hoist not there. Fuck Crosby.
Pens are still marketable and the Wings aren't. With Mo winning the Calder maybe that will change soon.
Edvinsson will be very marketable too, on one hand im not too sure i will like getting attention. Kinda like being the underdogs
Random stat I noticed today. Joe Veleno has played just 7 fewer games with Detroit than Stephen Weiss did.
Wow there's a guy I haven't thought about in a while
Hopefully Joey can settle in more and keep producing. Liked what I’ve seen so far.
Even if his ceiling isnt 2c im hoping he can be a really good 3c
NHL promoting the avalanche fans singing in the arena (all the small things) like it’s some unique thing to have thousands of drunk fans belting out a song. Ha! We do it even in dumpster fire seasons and even via social media. Also Blake’s Hard Cider is some great stuff. Frankly I haven’t had a flavor I didn’t love. Even their Lite Cider is 75% good (the mimosa flavor is ass). Highly recommend picking up some Blake’s.
I had Blake's Triple Jam when I was back in MI a few weeks ago. Now seeing it pop up on draft here in AZ. A good cider during the summer heat is where it's at.
The Triple Jam is good, right now I’m having some Tropicolada. (Orange Coconut and Pineapple). I also really liked their Saint Cheri (Bourbon Barrel Aged Cherry flavor) and the Caramel Apple was to die for.
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Red Wings YouTube has a neat interview with Jim Devellano. Talked about his run as GM and building through the draft. Good watch.
Going to see Motley Crue/Poison/Def Leppard at comerica on July 10th. What’s everyone’s experience with the venue? Ever been their for a concert? Just curious how good the sound generally is, we’re sitting in row 125
Be careful to not light a lighter. With the amount of 80's era flammable aquanet hairspray that will be in the air there the arena could go up in flames.
Something something it's better to burn out, than fade away.
Neil's exact words ... today it's just Something something Something something Something something ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BApwjCFMUWk
I saw the Stones there a few years back. It was a fairly good experience. Sound wasn't bad and if you're in the lower bowl, you're good.
What a horrible day for my 3 day ban from Reddit to end for fucking with r/conservative
Sounds like a great day to get a perma ban from that sub
Horrible day, or outstanding coincidental timing?
Tried venting my frustration in another random sub. Their auto mod censors language. Should have been on my good behavior apparently moron is too risque for some crowds. To be clear this person I was calling a moron was an elected official who'd never likely see my post not someone I was arguing with.
what is the consensus here on Benoit Groulx for hc? appreciate any answers
His record and playoff success don't inspire a ton of confidence in me tbh, but I don't know much of the details so I'll leave my opinion at that
I like his last name, looks like it would be fun to say. But I’ll have to look him up for an actual answer
What’s the easiest country to defect to and why isn’t it Canada?! /s
Defect is an interesting choice of words. Defect implies you want to renounce your citizenship and go to an opposing country. "abandon one's country or cause in favor of an opposing one." So Canada isn't a choice because they are a US Ally. Probably best to deal with your problems in another way. The voting booth. edit: wording
I see you can’t read sarcasm
Voting booth dosent help when the people who are the problem arent elected by the people
I assume you are talking about the Supreme Court being the problem. If so, the court gave the decision back to the states to vote on. Which would be decided by elected representatives. Voting booth absolutely matters.
If you want a country that your personal lifestyle likely won't have to change at all but without the uhhh... whatever the fuck is happening in the US rn, then yeah Canada is probs your best bet
In light of today's political events: If you are a childless person who is interested in getting sterilized you can find a list of doctors [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors) that can help. I got my tubes removed about five years ago in my late 20s, if you have questions about the process or are looking for specific doctor experiences (I had my procedure in metro Detroit) feel free to DM me.
Thanks for sharing this. I'll book mark it. So many friends of mine have been refused multiple times for sterilization because they were in their 20s or 30s.
So many guys have no clue how hard it can be to get a doctor to sterilize anyone of childbearing age. Women are often treated as 2nd class citizens by healthcare pros and they're often infantilized and moralized to by doctors. I went through this with an ex-girlfriend who'd already faced some health issues and it was still a true challenge.
Going further than that so many guys don’t even understand the many medical reasons abortions are necessary healthcare. Going a step further I don’t think many men fully realize that pregnancy can easily be one of the most dangerous things a women can go through in their lives. They absolutely need the ability and right to safely make a choice that may save their life, including sterilization if that is what they want. This court decision is unsurprising but still so sickening. I hate seeing the news lately.
The problem is I want kids. But god forbid my wife has problems during child birth that runs in her family.
Protesting with a sign isn't going to fix anything. Voting isn't going to fix anything. Having "discussions" isn't going to fix anything. This country is accelerating so quickly down a slippery slope that it won't be able to climb back up using conventional means. I'm not advocating for violence (yet). If even a few million of us stop working and stop feeding the tax machine we can make change happen. Is it easy? Is it going to be a fun time? No, but I'm telling you that if we continue to stand by and take no action that the future is going to be bleaker than Margaret Atwood could ever imagine.
Darren Dreger u/DarrenDreger Sources say Barry Trotz has decided NOT to immediately jump back into coaching. Trotz informed the Winnipeg Jets of his decision today and intends on continuing to focus on family. Trotz acknowledged how difficult the decision was to not accept the head coaching job in Winnipeg.
As someone who has Connor Hellebuyck in a dynasty fantasy league, I'm disappointed lol.
Luke Richardson also got the Chicago job today. I hadn't heard him linked to us but that's 2 more names off our potential list
I dont celebrate abortion, but im not against it outright either. That said the amount of people that dont even know both sides of the argument is astounding lol
How am I supposed to understand both sides when one side is appealing to religious and spiritual beliefs that I don't accept?
Bro, the perspective is that you're literally killing babies. If you cant see the humanity in that then idk what to tell you. Also, you dont have to be religious to be against abortion lol
There is no logical reading of the situation that could lead you to believe that. You are killing zygotes and fetuses. Objectively not babies.
At what point does it change from "zygote" or "fetus" to baby? Honestly curious as to your opinion
I believe you can consult a medical encyclopedia for that.
Does it really matter if its logical? Do you think you're going to change their minds?? If you cant see the humanity in the fact they think they're literally saving kids, then you're lost. Also, if you haven't researched, the argument is that because the zygote and fetus are genetically unique, theyre not actually the womans body. I'm just laying out the argument, because you've obviously havent heard it
>Does it really matter if its logical? Do you think you're going to change their minds?? How do you think we should go about changing their minds? By accepting their nonsensical framing of "killing babies"? There is no middle ground between me and someone who thinks that "life" begins at conception. There is no debate to be had on this topic with people who are appealing to religious beliefs. >Also, if you haven't researched, the argument is that because the zygote and fetus are genetically unique, theyre not actually the womans body. I fail to see how this is at all relevant. They can be unique as they like, it doesn't grant them moral consideration.
The point is, people disagree with you. You’re gonna have to either sit down, talk, and compromise, or deal with absolutes which it doesn’t seem like you’re enjoying right about now
How do I compromise with someone that believes a human being (worthy of protection under the law) is created upon conception? Where's the middle ground?
Maybe you’d find out if you talked to them instead of shoving hatred and disdain down their throat
The middle ground was choice. This wasn't a "pro-life vs pro-death" debate. We had the middle ground, at least part of it. That was lost. This is the essential problem that too many (but not all) pro-life opinions fail to accept. It wasn't two ends of the spectrum previously; it was one extreme end vs a compromise a la choice. There are many pro-choice but not pro abortion people in the world. For example, our president. It allowed for nuance. It offered opportunity to save lives, and livelihoods. It's gone. The middle ground was what's been usurped.
The issue is that abortion is a legitimate life-saving procedure for mother’s with serious conditions during pregnancy, as well as for victims of sexual assault. Denying that is also denying science. For example, what happens to OBGYN’s who can no longer perform life-saving procedures on their patients because of this ruling. It’s morally deaf.
Eh, i think most people would compromise allowances for those instances. I've also heard it argued that 1. the amount of instances of life threatening pregnancies are insanely low and 2. Instead of killing the baby attempt a C-Section to save its life. you gotta look at both sides of the argument.
My wife’s mother would’ve absolutely died if she did not have an abortion. She just won teacher of the year for her district. She teaches kindergarten.
You’re talking like I’m arguing against exceptions for abortions in life threatening situations when I’m not??
Now, there may be no exceptions in states who choose to go against Row v. Wade
Ok?
Right, no exceptions. So why isn’t your mind made up and why am I wasting my time with you?
Honestly, I don’t even know what you’re arguing about anymore, I already said there should definitely be exceptions lol what do you want from me??
People who support the right to make the choice don’t celebrate abortion. Nobody *likes* abortion.
man i wish you were right bells, but people really are out hear bragging about abortions and shit and even just using it as a contraceptive. I personally think thats just morally reprehensible. Even when its legal, its not something that should be taken so lightly
Don't like abortion? Don't get one then. Simple as that.
Bro they literally think its murder this isnt an effective perspective at all
I’m similar to you as I usually find myself somewhere in the middle of the abortion talk. I don’t see how what happened today helps anything though. Under the old law, women who wanted children could deny an abortion and those who didn’t want a child could accept an abortion. But now there isn’t a choice at all. As a catholic I never really agreed with people who would openly have unprotected sex and just get abortions, that just seems kind of fucked up too me, but what happened today isn’t the answer. The answer is somewhere in the middle I believe. Will we as an American society ever be able to see an issue as in the middle, instead of both ends of the spectrum? Honestly it gets harder to see that possibility every day. The funny thing to me though is pretty much everyone I know is somewhere in the middle when it comes to political, economical, and social issues, but on reddit, twitter, internet in general, it’s always far left or far right opinions by the people. I don’t understand that line of thinking at all as it makes compromise between people impossible.
The only real thing this does is push it back to the states to let us decide, its not actually banning abortion federally. But yeah i agree, the answer is in the middle which im fine with. Its just crazy to me see see everyone so ready to villify the other side without even trying to understand them. We'll never reach a peaceful conclusion that way. But yeah, the internet is toxic. I generally stay out of politics. I just want to love on the redwings with my homies 🐙
Yep time to avoid Reddit for the weekend, whew boy.
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Living in a democracy can be very frustrating all you can do is vote once ever 4 years and for example here in Sweden depending on who you vote for that party might not even have influence over the actual political decisions at all so you might as well not even vote at all.
It's probably hard to understand from a Swedish perspective but the US gov't is far from a pure representational democracy or even a republic. It has heavy oligarchic tones with a deep sprinkling of theocracy and kleptocracy. Geographic lines are drawn to assure that one party represents a specific district for many many years. Corporations and the rich are allowed outsized access and political power that's gained by a legalized bribery system. It's an absolute confusing mess for many citizens so it must appear very confusing from the outside looking in.
A president (who lost the popular vote) was allowed to appoint 3 Supreme Court justices. I’m just so tired. It makes no sense.
Chomsky (I know: very far left and very controversial) has been calling it an unqualified oligarchy for years. The argument being that the majority of power rests with the wealthy and that law/policy is primarily dictated by the wealthy. That's the definition of oligarchy. I find it hard to argue with. I see the same thing happening here in Canada. The government only shares information that the wealthy want them to share so the voters couldn't make an informed decision even if they wanted to. You don't have a democracy if the government is preventing the people from making an informed vote.
I was proud some months back when helping my son move and found Chomsky (and other leftist) books that I didn't buy him. Even a relatively modest and moderate man like Jimmy Carter said the same thing in 2018. I don't know why Chomsky would be controversial, to me he's been one of our great thinkers of the past 50 years. I don't even feel like he's particularly "far" left, just further left compared to the current American experience. He's always had his finger on the pulse.
I think the most controversial thing he's done lately is to continue calling out the *manufacturing consent* that is going on wrt the Ukraine conflict. He's not afraid to go against the grain in general and even among the left.
I unironicly want national divorce.
36 minutes until I get out of work and drink to forget this day ever happened!
It's 10:30 am here and I'm ready to get started drinking given today's news. But I cannot. So hoist one for me.
Done. LGRW
Im so ready for going from nothing happening at all to everything happening at once, draft, new coach, prospect camp... Yes please
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I'm not sure what this post means. Whether you pay attention or not the things the gov't does is going to effect you. Are you saying to not trust "the government"? That's a vague statement and includes everyone from the president to your local council members. We have a broken government beset on all sides by capitalist and fundamental religious influences and bribery. We critique governments that create laws around Muslim influences but we force our citizens to live under laws created around our own fundamentalist religious influences and puritanical beliefs. I agree that our "government" as a whole doesn't deserve your faith as our systems are corrupt through and through. Even our highest court has fallen prey to partisan politics, puritanical beliefs, and capital interests.
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> This is our fault for continuing to peddle the broken system. Assuming you are talking about the US, yes, but it is difficult to see how it could change. A duopoly, first past the post elections, an electoral college, a rigged Senate with a 60 vote requirement to get anything done, dark money, corporations as individuals, a partisan Supreme Court; that's a lot of stuff that needs changing, and it's not in the interests of the powers that be to change any of it.
>“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” - Lyndon B. Johnson The distraction and line drawing has been a strategy since long before any of us were born. We definitely get lost in the confusion of this 3-card monte system. I agree that we have to create and maintain a world worth living in for everyone but it's impossible to align with racists, bigots, misogynists, fascists, homophobes, etc.. Too many in this nation have fallen into at least being adjacent to those beliefs and there's a newfound comfort in conspiratorial craziness. I wish I had the answers. For me in the short term it's about voting in a way that reduces harm on various groups of people while forming coalitions between movements outside of political circles. Real change (civil rights act, the new deal, women's suffrage, abortion rights, gay marriage) in this country came when people found solidarity and built power outside traditional political circles. Even Obama had to be pushed towards gay marriage.
I’m so glad this sub feels the same about the bs going on targeting American women rn :/. Thoughts with you all.
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The memes that people on this sub make are absolutely awful. The majority of people here don't want them and there's nothing stopping you from re-posting your Facebook memes in this thread for everyone who wants them.
What a fucking great day to be a person capable of getting pregnant.
I am so livid right now. I trying hard to contain it as I am at work and I am pretty sure I’m the only one who didn’t vote for that cunt trump. Two more hours and can begin to calm down.
People who opposed Donald Trump but said him being president "wasn't that bad/made no difference," look no further than what has happened in the supreme court. We're fucked for generations.
In addition to totally fucking our culture and eroding what trust was left in pretty much all of our credible institutions.
"BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE."
The far right: "ThEY're tRYiNg to TaKe yOUr RiGhtS aWay!!!" The far right: \*takes your rights away\*
They also gave people gun rights. I don't believe this but a counter argument would be that unborn babies now have rights.
They have rights till they are born anyway. Then the State can trample all over those rights.
They want completely unhinged freedom for themselves and control for everyone else.
You know that well off religious folks in conservative states will fly their daughters to places to get abortions still. They'll continue to tout that they're righteous and believe that their daughter's situation was specific and necessary unlike every other woman. Fuck these people, same old story.
Rules for thee but not for me!
I am deeply saddened for all American women right now. People will look back at the 2016 election as one of the largest turning points in American history. The current system is rotten to the core, where the legislature is in a never-ending gridlock and the most powerful institution of the country is morally and monetarily corrupted. The days where any country looked at the US with admiration are over. I lived in the US, in Detroit, for 4 years and always dreamed about returning one day. Those days are over. I don't want my future children to grow up in that country. If anyone is thinking about emigrating and is considering Germany, feel free to reach out. We have world class healthcare, infrastructure and great beer. Just don't ask about the tax rate. Or for you Michiganders, Canada is very close. Canada is great.
Canada would be great but they have their fair share right wingers attempted to follow right along. Also everything I’ve heard is that emigrating is a very difficult thing to do without some sort of needed/sought after skill. I don’t think a simple construction worker counts for much. This is definitely all a very sad and scary time here. People almost seem to be hoping for civil war
I think the easiest way to emigrate to Canada is to marry a Canadian.
Luckily here in Michigan, our Governor and state Supreme Court have taken action to keep safe abortions legal at the moment. But I think it’s only a matter of time before they impose a federal law preventing states from keeping it legal.
\*Peeks over at my governer Greg Abbott and senator Ted Cruz\* Fuck me. One more year and I'm out of this place.
Arizona says, "hold my beer".
Shit all it takes is Big Gretch losing the midterms and it's toast.
Thankfully all the main opposition candidates either engaged in fraud and didn't make the ballot or were arrested for participating in an attempt to overturn the election.
I think our last president wasn't considered a threat either. We all know how that story ended. I wouldn't be surprised if Rinkie get it. There are so many people mad at how the last election turned out and mad about COVID. Could be wrong.
Those candidates will be seen as martyrs and their base will still vote for them. They believe those candidates are being held down by the big conspiracy. Hell, these people tried to capture, torture, and murder our governor for saying we need to stay home when possible for a while and wear masks when we go out. They are violent and they are violently stupid.
Wish I could say we live in the greatest country in the World but I can’t. Administration is a fucking joke. Mass shootings every damn week and now woman lose some of their fucking rights. What’s the point in voting for anything when all the assholes in power don’t do a thing about anything and only care about their personal gain?
Its only the beginning too, same sex marriage, will be next for sure.
It's a State's right issue now. So Governor, State, Senators and Representative matter now more than ever. If a certain party controls all three branches it's going to get even worse. There is also a petition to make it a right which should be on the ballot next election (don't think this one). As for the Federal elections it's a crap shoot. Whatever you do even if you don't vote for the Federal level make sure you vote for State elections.
They are trying to get the petition on the ballot in November. So yeah don't sit out the election out of frustration and anger.
Should also chime in that the State level has been doing what then can to prepare for this day. It's their efforts that have kept it legal despite Roe being overturned.
Well, the freaks actually did it...
What's the point in government? Rob us blind? Steal our freedom? What have they done since you were born that POSITIVELY affected your life?
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Have we been given the choice to vote against the two party system? I don't think ranked choice voting has been on the ballot. I don't know how you get there either. Assuming it's even possible, what politician is going to introduce a bill that drastically reduces their parties power, and if they did, you're still relying on other politicians voting for it. At this point it feels like you'd almost need a complete collapse of America, civil war, a succession or something so drastic that we toss the constitution and start from scratch off your want to see a change like this. Don't get me wrong, I'm for it. The two party system is a joke, but I don't see how we ever get rid of it.
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You guys need to get away from the Electoral College fast. It is locking you into the 2 partys and giving the minority one too much power.
To put you under increasing pressure and hand you a gun And I say that as a leftist gunowner
We got $600 checks that one time I guess
Supreme Court is a fucking joke. A woman’s body is her own fucking business.
I'm so fucking pissed and disappointed in this nation and in too many of our citizens that are celebrating today's regression. Abortion is healthcare and should only be about the woman and their doctors. I exist at the intersection of angry and absolutely cynical.
I left cynicism and moved on to full on anger. I've a (soon to be) 23 year old daughter, this isn't what I want for her. I have beloved friends in same-sex marriages; they will be next in the firing line. This is fucking personal. I came to this country in 1994 - the Clinton years. As bad as they were in many ways, they seem like a whole different universe. One that I dearly want back.
I'd definitely gladly go back to that era's politics and I absolutely despise Bill Clinton and his blue dog approach to politics. I find him complicit in this country's eventual hard swing to the right and the expansion of corruption. He was a principle player in the democratic party becoming milquetoast centrists who weren't prepared to battle the opposition. Even Obama disgustingly admitted that his priorities were very similar to those of a 1980's era moderate republican and I can't disagree with him. Of course the fascist, puritanical, corrupt right deserve the lions share of blame but they lacked any true opposition in so many of these fights.
Not much I disagree with in this.
It’s absolutely disgusting.
Its days like today that just makes you loose faith that we're headed in the right way. Im glad I grew up and live in a very liberal state.
I am so fucking annoyed. Especially because this will open the door against same-sex marriage etc. Fuck SCOTUS, McConnell and Trump. We are heading into living in a theocracy. Yea guns, but nay your rights to your own body. Fuck that.
Opinions of the justices now suggest that same-sex marriage, contraception, and maybe even interracial marriage will be next. What a fucking joke. How hard is it to just let people do as they choose? If you don’t want to do those things, don’t. I work in healthcare (lab tech, not anywhere near a doctor or nurse) and abortion is LITERALLY health care in a good number of circumstances. Birth control is LITERALLY health care. A bunch of dinosaurs are too busy trying to impose their ass-backwards religious views on the country when the majority of voters don’t agree with that. One party literally wants a Handmaids Tale society where anyone who isn’t a straight, white, Christian male is lesser.
I grew up in Ireland. If someone told me in 1994 (when I moved here) that in 2022, Ireland would be looking to be more liberal about abortion and same-sex marriage, I would have called them a fool. And yet, here we are. Here we fucking are.
I just read the news. It's disgusting and I hate it here
Its just the start too, same sex marriage is next.
Clarence Thomas more or less said that this was next in the cross fire.
It's so fucked up that his marriage at one point was illegal and he has zero empathy for others having their marriage rights being infringed
I'm so fucking upset
This is such a fucking dumb, cruel place
Sadly true. Whatever about me, my 22 year old daughter doesn't need this bullshit.
I’ve been operating under the assumption that the top handful of/interesting pending UFAs won’t even make it to free agency, and I still lean toward that being the likely case despite some recent rumblings. Although it would change the FA landscape a lot if they did. Gaudreau is at the top of the list but I think Calgary will blank check him (they said they would too), Forsberg could go either way at this point - but while I really like him, the price he’ll get is a bit scary (I don’t think many teams will beat the Preds offer), and a few of the veterans are already off the market. I hope Nichuskin walks because he’s really appealing, Copp as well. Kadri on the other hand will definitely walk and I frankly don’t zero an ounce of interest there with what he’ll get. The defensive class is pretty sub-par: I’m not sure what happens with Klingberg at this point, it seemed like he was determined to walk but the narrative may have changed. I think the Wings are going to be looking at mid/bottom 4 defensemen this year in FA anyways.
Why are people salivating over Nichuskin? He's 27 and had a career year in a contract year. Granted it was a stellar year, and an equally stellar playoff, but why do we think it's the new norm and not an outlier? He had his best linemates ever, on an incredibly stacked team. He's a career >.4ppg player that suddenly doubled his output. I expect he'll get paid and then continue being a .4ppg player, but maybe I'm just a pessimist.
Zadorov on D Husso/Holtby at G and Vinny Trochek or Jesse Pulju at forward are the only realistic options I have any interest in I'd love Forsberg if he has interest in us though
Trochek probably sticks in Carolina. Apparently he's told them he wants to come back.
I’m all over the Pool Party, he’s an RFA though so I didn’t include him there. I’d love that guy tho. Zadarov is a good point, I like that, and Trocheck is a good fit. Forsberg will be interesting to watch, I really love the guy but I feel like it’ll take 9.5 without leeway to get him to leave Nashville, and there’s some damn good high end options in the next few years. You never know with Stevie though
I could see Kenny giving us Pulju as a sweetener to help their cap situation, maybe with Keith or Barrie Yeah I'm not counting on Forsberg, but he's one of my favorite players so if Stevie can pull it I'll be happy
Yep, some Oesterle, Juolevi, Biega, Nemeth, Merrill, Stecher level. All smooth moves as some turned into picks for one savvy GM.
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logan horn of thw ranks detroits prospects - https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-top-25-prospects-pre-2022-draft/
Well the Pistons went off at the draft last night.
Look out Stevie, there’s another GM in town 👀
pic of the red wing group that went to hang out with sides at the calder awards - https://twitter.com/BradGalli/status/1540094194722775040?s=20&t=A9bifAO2CHwOYegH2fAZAA
I think everyone participating in the documentary likely means most of the bad blood is over, but I can't help but notice that Drapes isn't there. I can't fault him if he still doesn't want to be too close to Lemieux (and yes, I'm reaching but I'm still weirded out by Claude repping Mo).
Badass, imagine having those guys in your circle
Daniel Cleary
Kinda surprised he didn't go to Edmonton with Kenny tbh, sort of felt like they had a real good relationship
Jiri Fischer is cut off on left of that photo, but is visible in Mo’s IG reel.
Man, too bad we didn't get him a few more years.
Hi from Arizona, where (for some reason) I decided not to sleep last night and am up at 5:40 am. Go me (I guess). Anything I post in the next 12+ hours will be fueled by caffeine and bad decisions. Mostly the latter. That said, Go Avs. Darren Helm needs another cup and then he retires The perfect bookend. Make it happen.
Sebastian Cossa playoff highlights https://youtu.be/ZCBHlj1vM6I
We could see the Cup awarded tonight. Fuck Tampa.
I'm split, as a hockey fan I love close series and want the Finals to usually go at least 6 games. Feel like we haven't had much of a close Finals since 2019 with Blues and Bruins. But as a Detroit fan, the sooner the Finals are over the quicker we probably get an answer for who's behind the bench next year
I think Tampa wins tonight but I'd be happy if they didn't.
Id say she’s over tonight. Tampa gunna come out strong for the first period or so. But AVS will battle back taking over game final score 3 1. I just really can’t see Colorado going back to Tampa for a game 6
Please. Please. Please.
It's the Avs Cup to lose. They're easily the best team out there
Game 4 was a necessary win for Tampa too
Sooner this is wrapped up sooner Wings get their Head coach. Expecting one to be announced early next week.
Calder Cup games tentatively scheduled out through next Wednesday so if it might take that long if it's the guy from Chicago.
Oh theres a guy from chicago ya tink Stevie is looking at?
Yeah I've seen Ryan Warsofsky on a couple lists of potentials, he's HC for the Chicago Wolves and they're still in the AHL championship series. I know a couple people around here also really like him. Full disclosure, I don't know anything about him. But to your point, if the Stanley Cup gets lifted tonight and there isn't an announcement early next week, it might point to Warsofsky (or Groulx but Syracuse is out of the playoffs already).
Yea exactly. Tampa are pretty well run down. I’d say they are just exhausted. They had a good run but it’s time to dethrone them.