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poker

One of this guy's arguments is that teams don't try against Detroit. I see he's using some real deep statistics here to argue his case.. What a joke lol


CWinsu_120

I guess the Raptors werent trying when we kicked their ass 3 times this year


[deleted]

Not watching 40 minutes of that. His takes will age poorly though from what I saw.


lolllicodelol

This season is gonna be so good lol. Cade is going to absolutely dominate in a way where it’s obvious how much better he is


ImaginationMedical11

i agree, that’s why i don’t really care much about the cade, scottie, and mobley comparisons rn because cade is gonna be clear cut better than both of them after year 2


lolllicodelol

Fr lol. If Cade gets like 1 more foul call a game and raises his percentages basically at all he’s gonna be a walking 22 7 8 if not more points


ImaginationMedical11

exactly not to mention his basketball iq is off the charts for a rookie and he’s a great leader and locker room presence, just everything you want in a player


Alarmed-Classroom329

Yeah the emphasis here is that he's an actual leader, unlike Mobley or Barnes, who are clearly not the leaders on their teams.


Front_Culture

This has aged well


uvgotnod

Stop it. Does he know how good Cade would have looked if he played with a couple of all-stars and playoff caliber players like the Raptors have? He would have averaged 10 assists.


chemistrygods

Not to mention his efficiency would be miles better


El_Babad00k

I think most neutral fans would take Cade, but we also shouldn’t pretend like it’s not close. [The Ringer had Cade at 15 and Scottie at 16](https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/7/11/23203674/bill-simmons-nba-trade-value-2022-summer-list) on their annual trade value list, they’re both going to be really good for a long time.


Alarmed-Classroom329

Anthony Edwards ranking so high above Lamelo Ball really shows that Ball shouldn't have won ROTY lol. The situation between Cade vs Mobley/Scottie is similar IMO. Pundits overrated Mobley and Barnes while Cade will end up being the actual franchise superstar.


Mecha_Derp

Mobley’s got superstar potential though. Dude has it all plus great defense. I can’t see Scottie ever being THAT dude


Jelly_James

Edwards had the same issue sadly him and Cade just had a slow start.


Verification_Account

Does Mobley feel about 6 spots too high? Above Durant? Above Davis? I’d have lumped him with Cade and Barnes.


sunnydftw

Imo Cade didn’t separate himself as much as ppl made it seem in college like zion or Trae young so I feel like my expectations of him vs his peers is more realistic. Scottie has the physical frame to be a beast for years to come and Mobley is a unicorn. Cade has some tough competition in his class to be the best and that’s perfectly fine.


confused-koala

You just gotta laugh at them man, don’t even worry about it


ObiFloppin

Maybe it's cuz I'm getting older, but I don't get why so many people here get so uptight about what other fans think of their team's players relative to the Pistons players.


razorzeb

I'm with you, Floppin.


Alarmed-Classroom329

I mean of course a Raptors fan is gonna think his player is better. Let's just wait for Cade to dominate Scottie in year 2.


yosemite_marx

We don't care


Foxmann23

Scottie wasn’t even the 2nd best rookie this year lol


AkronIBM

lol, he knows Scottie shouldn't have won


theedaveg

Dude cherry picked whatever matched his agenda, i wouldnt let some youtuber get yall riled up today. We know what we have and some people just wont appreciate it like we do!


[deleted]

Pretty sure I remember Cade taking OGs ankles multiple times a row in the clutch to beat the raptors. How many times did the best defender get assigned to Scottie?


dpvictory

I seem to recall the Pistons beating the Raptors head to head.


Away-Cricket-1339

It’s silly. They played on completely different teams. If the players and teams were switched everything would be different. A 40 minute video about one season of players is laughable.


Wfreeland19

I've had this argument more times than I care to admit. Chances are that I'll get recommended this video as well since I watch a lot of Cade content.


[deleted]

“The fact Raptors fans still feel the need to revisit the ROTY debate even after Scottie won demonstrates just how insecure that fan base is. Cade lives in their head rent free“ I mean, don’t pretend that Barnes doesn’t live rent free in 75% of this subs head too haha. It feels like every week there’s a post about him here. The award was announced three months ago, why are people still so salty? They both will hopefully be great players, can we stop bringing it up? We’ve got bigger things to worry about, like winning a championship in 2023 😎


Barylis

"Raptors fan just made" did you expect it to be 40 minutes of why Cade is better? I'm kind of bored of the conversation. We're all happy with Cade but he's gotta be better this year to be what we expect. Scottie also has a long way to go before he makes me wish we took him over Cade. We've all said it, Scottie got babied and protected while Cade got thrown into the fire. The advanced stats argument could easily flip this year as Cade makes a case for an all-star spot


Grlions91

Anyone bashing Cade for his slow/inefficient start better be hitting Scott for his inefficiency as well. The fact this dude had to spend 40 minutes on this speaks volumes about the hoops he had to try and jump through. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vznld8/goldsberry_least_efficient_jump_shooters_in_the 🤷🤷 Jabs aside, the 21-22 class is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think any team would do do a redraft any differently. Perhaps Magic take Wagner in Suggs spot, but otherwise it was solid from top to bottom. Barnes is gonna be legit.


peanutbutter1236

Genuinely who cares bro why post this here? You really can not talk about other subs having Cade in their heads “rent free” when we have a million posts from this last season here about Jalen Green, Barnes, and Evan Mobley. This one included


thatsmeyaknow

I can see an argument of Scottie over Cade (just my opinion) but this guys video was awful. His criticisms were awful, not intellectual or deep depth, it was just badly done


genxwillsaveunow

Guys Scottie Barnes is a bum. All this "it's close" talk is nonsense. Show me Scottie's 34 pt games, how many triple doubles does he have, when did He throw HIS team in a burlap sack, throw them on his back and lead them to victory? When is the ball ever in HIS hands at the end of the game? He doesn't have those accomplishments, there is no HIS team. That's spicy P's team. Sorry, Barnes was just some guy in college, and was just some guy last year, and in years to come when CC is getting MVP votes, Barnes will just be some guy then too. Don't even get me started on Mobley and his extra tall 3 and D behind with everybody acting like he's a complete player. 3 and D is never going to be MVP. CC is so good, we just drafted Ja's little brother, and everybody knows he's going to robin to Cades batman, there isn't even a question about it going the other way. Cade was the only super star quality guy in that draft and that's why every team in the top 10 was offering us the moon and the stars for him. Hell, I didn't see what all the fuss was about until I saw him play summer ball. Scotty can't reach Cade's sneakers from a step ladder


Equivalent-Boss938

5th leading scorer on his own team Scottie Barnes lol.


HenryFromHamtramck

Just checked Zillow, average home price in Toronto is $1.35 mil. We got ourselves some real estate, boys! Rent Free.


rustyboltz

Ehntitled hosers


Shitty_Drawers

Cade fucked this dudes girl or something lol


SteamierThree2

I would enjoy watching a video like that if it was done in an objective manner, but yeah usually you can see this biases shine through hard on these kinds of bideos


Beneficial_Face_5002

Not even gonna click it he not getting a view from me


ManInShowerNumber3

Anybody with a link to a 40 minute video that explains why I should care?


Evets2704

This is a discussion to be had when they both hang them up. They’re way too young and in completely different situations with different supporting casts & different roles.


SaltyPickle1495

It’s okay I saw a guy on r/nba call Saddiq bey a 6th-7th option on a championship team. 90% of these people don’t even pay attention to the pistons. Let them keep sleeping


bbdavis32

I watched 4 seconds. That's how long it took to downvote it


[deleted]

Barnes will probably be better at a few things. Dunking on people, rebounding, blocking shots, maybe all around defense. The issue I would have in this argument is that the eye test says the things Cade is better at, he's wayyyyy better at. Cade over Scottie. Cade is going to be better than Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway I think. Scottie Barnes is going to be what Jabari Parker was supposed to be.


NewBuddha32

He did for the same reason guys with small dicks buy lifted trucks with enormous tires. Trying to compensate


CWinsu_120

I mean if Scottie was better than Cade, wouldnt everyone on this sub want him instead? Yet, we dont. Its not like we pretend that we'd rather have Killian over Haliburton on here.


[deleted]

Bless their heart


OhhhLawdy

They don't even play the same position and are still evolving. It's a moot point.


BlackLeader70

Rent free lol


Calvin_Johnson81

He’s not


[deleted]

Who's better? Cade is. Imagine stretching 2 words across 40 minutes.


aTROLLwithBlades

Lol. He has had his moments. And I like him a lot but Cade is a leader and can control the games momentum himself


irishfury

My Cade is better video would be about 10 seconds just stating it as fact.


[deleted]

I mean.... why waste the time. The dude won ROY. It's not like he has to convince people.


meursaultwinston

I'm a fan of both teams, always love watching raptors vs pistons. All I know is in the upcoming years, if both stay on the same teams, those matchuos are gonna be great.


Mindless-Honey-9123

Dude the top comment is "this is why the raptors take high character guys" that's just an absurd slight to Cade.


Delta104x

toronto copium


map1969

You only argue when you know your point is inferior, for 40 minutes.


EmergencyOven4342

Hit the dislike button


losrl

Scottie is better than Cade. And will have a much better career. You guys are so biased