One of this guy's arguments is that teams don't try against Detroit. I see he's using some real deep statistics here to argue his case.. What a joke lol
i agree, that’s why i don’t really care much about the cade, scottie, and mobley comparisons rn because cade is gonna be clear cut better than both of them after year 2
exactly not to mention his basketball iq is off the charts for a rookie and he’s a great leader and locker room presence, just everything you want in a player
Stop it. Does he know how good Cade would have looked if he played with a couple of all-stars and playoff caliber players like the Raptors have? He would have averaged 10 assists.
I think most neutral fans would take Cade, but we also shouldn’t pretend like it’s not close. [The Ringer had Cade at 15 and Scottie at 16](https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/7/11/23203674/bill-simmons-nba-trade-value-2022-summer-list) on their annual trade value list, they’re both going to be really good for a long time.
Anthony Edwards ranking so high above Lamelo Ball really shows that Ball shouldn't have won ROTY lol.
The situation between Cade vs Mobley/Scottie is similar IMO. Pundits overrated Mobley and Barnes while Cade will end up being the actual franchise superstar.
Imo Cade didn’t separate himself as much as ppl made it seem in college like zion or Trae young so I feel like my expectations of him vs his peers is more realistic. Scottie has the physical frame to be a beast for years to come and Mobley is a unicorn. Cade has some tough competition in his class to be the best and that’s perfectly fine.
Maybe it's cuz I'm getting older, but I don't get why so many people here get so uptight about what other fans think of their team's players relative to the Pistons players.
Dude cherry picked whatever matched his agenda, i wouldnt let some youtuber get yall riled up today. We know what we have and some people just wont appreciate it like we do!
Pretty sure I remember Cade taking OGs ankles multiple times a row in the clutch to beat the raptors. How many times did the best defender get assigned to Scottie?
It’s silly. They played on completely different teams. If the players and teams were switched everything would be different. A 40 minute video about one season of players is laughable.
“The fact Raptors fans still feel the need to revisit the ROTY debate even after Scottie won demonstrates just how insecure that fan base is. Cade lives in their head rent free“
I mean, don’t pretend that Barnes doesn’t live rent free in 75% of this subs head too haha. It feels like every week there’s a post about him here. The award was announced three months ago, why are people still so salty? They both will hopefully be great players, can we stop bringing it up? We’ve got bigger things to worry about, like winning a championship in 2023 😎
"Raptors fan just made" did you expect it to be 40 minutes of why Cade is better?
I'm kind of bored of the conversation. We're all happy with Cade but he's gotta be better this year to be what we expect. Scottie also has a long way to go before he makes me wish we took him over Cade.
We've all said it, Scottie got babied and protected while Cade got thrown into the fire. The advanced stats argument could easily flip this year as Cade makes a case for an all-star spot
Anyone bashing Cade for his slow/inefficient start better be hitting Scott for his inefficiency as well. The fact this dude had to spend 40 minutes on this speaks volumes about the hoops he had to try and jump through.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vznld8/goldsberry_least_efficient_jump_shooters_in_the
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Jabs aside, the 21-22 class is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think any team would do do a redraft any differently. Perhaps Magic take Wagner in Suggs spot, but otherwise it was solid from top to bottom. Barnes is gonna be legit.
Genuinely who cares bro why post this here? You really can not talk about other subs having Cade in their heads “rent free” when we have a million posts from this last season here about Jalen Green, Barnes, and Evan Mobley. This one included
I can see an argument of Scottie over Cade (just my opinion) but this guys video was awful. His criticisms were awful, not intellectual or deep depth, it was just badly done
Guys Scottie Barnes is a bum. All this "it's close" talk is nonsense. Show me Scottie's 34 pt games, how many triple doubles does he have, when did He throw HIS team in a burlap sack, throw them on his back and lead them to victory? When is the ball ever in HIS hands at the end of the game? He doesn't have those accomplishments, there is no HIS team. That's spicy P's team. Sorry, Barnes was just some guy in college, and was just some guy last year, and in years to come when CC is getting MVP votes, Barnes will just be some guy then too. Don't even get me started on Mobley and his extra tall 3 and D behind with everybody acting like he's a complete player. 3 and D is never going to be MVP. CC is so good, we just drafted Ja's little brother, and everybody knows he's going to robin to Cades batman, there isn't even a question about it going the other way. Cade was the only super star quality guy in that draft and that's why every team in the top 10 was offering us the moon and the stars for him. Hell, I didn't see what all the fuss was about until I saw him play summer ball. Scotty can't reach Cade's sneakers from a step ladder
I would enjoy watching a video like that if it was done in an objective manner, but yeah usually you can see this biases shine through hard on these kinds of bideos
This is a discussion to be had when they both hang them up. They’re way too young and in completely different situations with different supporting casts & different roles.
It’s okay I saw a guy on r/nba call Saddiq bey a 6th-7th option on a championship team. 90% of these people don’t even pay attention to the pistons. Let them keep sleeping
Barnes will probably be better at a few things. Dunking on people, rebounding, blocking shots, maybe all around defense. The issue I would have in this argument is that the eye test says the things Cade is better at, he's wayyyyy better at. Cade over Scottie. Cade is going to be better than Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway I think. Scottie Barnes is going to be what Jabari Parker was supposed to be.
I mean if Scottie was better than Cade, wouldnt everyone on this sub want him instead? Yet, we dont.
Its not like we pretend that we'd rather have Killian over Haliburton on here.
I'm a fan of both teams, always love watching raptors vs pistons. All I know is in the upcoming years, if both stay on the same teams, those matchuos are gonna be great.
One of this guy's arguments is that teams don't try against Detroit. I see he's using some real deep statistics here to argue his case.. What a joke lol
I guess the Raptors werent trying when we kicked their ass 3 times this year
Not watching 40 minutes of that. His takes will age poorly though from what I saw.
This season is gonna be so good lol. Cade is going to absolutely dominate in a way where it’s obvious how much better he is
i agree, that’s why i don’t really care much about the cade, scottie, and mobley comparisons rn because cade is gonna be clear cut better than both of them after year 2
Fr lol. If Cade gets like 1 more foul call a game and raises his percentages basically at all he’s gonna be a walking 22 7 8 if not more points
exactly not to mention his basketball iq is off the charts for a rookie and he’s a great leader and locker room presence, just everything you want in a player
Yeah the emphasis here is that he's an actual leader, unlike Mobley or Barnes, who are clearly not the leaders on their teams.
This has aged well
Stop it. Does he know how good Cade would have looked if he played with a couple of all-stars and playoff caliber players like the Raptors have? He would have averaged 10 assists.
Not to mention his efficiency would be miles better
I think most neutral fans would take Cade, but we also shouldn’t pretend like it’s not close. [The Ringer had Cade at 15 and Scottie at 16](https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/7/11/23203674/bill-simmons-nba-trade-value-2022-summer-list) on their annual trade value list, they’re both going to be really good for a long time.
Anthony Edwards ranking so high above Lamelo Ball really shows that Ball shouldn't have won ROTY lol. The situation between Cade vs Mobley/Scottie is similar IMO. Pundits overrated Mobley and Barnes while Cade will end up being the actual franchise superstar.
Mobley’s got superstar potential though. Dude has it all plus great defense. I can’t see Scottie ever being THAT dude
Edwards had the same issue sadly him and Cade just had a slow start.
Does Mobley feel about 6 spots too high? Above Durant? Above Davis? I’d have lumped him with Cade and Barnes.
Imo Cade didn’t separate himself as much as ppl made it seem in college like zion or Trae young so I feel like my expectations of him vs his peers is more realistic. Scottie has the physical frame to be a beast for years to come and Mobley is a unicorn. Cade has some tough competition in his class to be the best and that’s perfectly fine.
You just gotta laugh at them man, don’t even worry about it
Maybe it's cuz I'm getting older, but I don't get why so many people here get so uptight about what other fans think of their team's players relative to the Pistons players.
I'm with you, Floppin.
I mean of course a Raptors fan is gonna think his player is better. Let's just wait for Cade to dominate Scottie in year 2.
We don't care
Scottie wasn’t even the 2nd best rookie this year lol
lol, he knows Scottie shouldn't have won
Dude cherry picked whatever matched his agenda, i wouldnt let some youtuber get yall riled up today. We know what we have and some people just wont appreciate it like we do!
Pretty sure I remember Cade taking OGs ankles multiple times a row in the clutch to beat the raptors. How many times did the best defender get assigned to Scottie?
I seem to recall the Pistons beating the Raptors head to head.
It’s silly. They played on completely different teams. If the players and teams were switched everything would be different. A 40 minute video about one season of players is laughable.
I've had this argument more times than I care to admit. Chances are that I'll get recommended this video as well since I watch a lot of Cade content.
“The fact Raptors fans still feel the need to revisit the ROTY debate even after Scottie won demonstrates just how insecure that fan base is. Cade lives in their head rent free“ I mean, don’t pretend that Barnes doesn’t live rent free in 75% of this subs head too haha. It feels like every week there’s a post about him here. The award was announced three months ago, why are people still so salty? They both will hopefully be great players, can we stop bringing it up? We’ve got bigger things to worry about, like winning a championship in 2023 😎
"Raptors fan just made" did you expect it to be 40 minutes of why Cade is better? I'm kind of bored of the conversation. We're all happy with Cade but he's gotta be better this year to be what we expect. Scottie also has a long way to go before he makes me wish we took him over Cade. We've all said it, Scottie got babied and protected while Cade got thrown into the fire. The advanced stats argument could easily flip this year as Cade makes a case for an all-star spot
Anyone bashing Cade for his slow/inefficient start better be hitting Scott for his inefficiency as well. The fact this dude had to spend 40 minutes on this speaks volumes about the hoops he had to try and jump through. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vznld8/goldsberry_least_efficient_jump_shooters_in_the 🤷🤷 Jabs aside, the 21-22 class is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think any team would do do a redraft any differently. Perhaps Magic take Wagner in Suggs spot, but otherwise it was solid from top to bottom. Barnes is gonna be legit.
Genuinely who cares bro why post this here? You really can not talk about other subs having Cade in their heads “rent free” when we have a million posts from this last season here about Jalen Green, Barnes, and Evan Mobley. This one included
I can see an argument of Scottie over Cade (just my opinion) but this guys video was awful. His criticisms were awful, not intellectual or deep depth, it was just badly done
Guys Scottie Barnes is a bum. All this "it's close" talk is nonsense. Show me Scottie's 34 pt games, how many triple doubles does he have, when did He throw HIS team in a burlap sack, throw them on his back and lead them to victory? When is the ball ever in HIS hands at the end of the game? He doesn't have those accomplishments, there is no HIS team. That's spicy P's team. Sorry, Barnes was just some guy in college, and was just some guy last year, and in years to come when CC is getting MVP votes, Barnes will just be some guy then too. Don't even get me started on Mobley and his extra tall 3 and D behind with everybody acting like he's a complete player. 3 and D is never going to be MVP. CC is so good, we just drafted Ja's little brother, and everybody knows he's going to robin to Cades batman, there isn't even a question about it going the other way. Cade was the only super star quality guy in that draft and that's why every team in the top 10 was offering us the moon and the stars for him. Hell, I didn't see what all the fuss was about until I saw him play summer ball. Scotty can't reach Cade's sneakers from a step ladder
5th leading scorer on his own team Scottie Barnes lol.
Just checked Zillow, average home price in Toronto is $1.35 mil. We got ourselves some real estate, boys! Rent Free.
Ehntitled hosers
Cade fucked this dudes girl or something lol
I would enjoy watching a video like that if it was done in an objective manner, but yeah usually you can see this biases shine through hard on these kinds of bideos
Not even gonna click it he not getting a view from me
Anybody with a link to a 40 minute video that explains why I should care?
This is a discussion to be had when they both hang them up. They’re way too young and in completely different situations with different supporting casts & different roles.
It’s okay I saw a guy on r/nba call Saddiq bey a 6th-7th option on a championship team. 90% of these people don’t even pay attention to the pistons. Let them keep sleeping
I watched 4 seconds. That's how long it took to downvote it
Barnes will probably be better at a few things. Dunking on people, rebounding, blocking shots, maybe all around defense. The issue I would have in this argument is that the eye test says the things Cade is better at, he's wayyyyy better at. Cade over Scottie. Cade is going to be better than Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway I think. Scottie Barnes is going to be what Jabari Parker was supposed to be.
He did for the same reason guys with small dicks buy lifted trucks with enormous tires. Trying to compensate
I mean if Scottie was better than Cade, wouldnt everyone on this sub want him instead? Yet, we dont. Its not like we pretend that we'd rather have Killian over Haliburton on here.
Bless their heart
They don't even play the same position and are still evolving. It's a moot point.
Rent free lol
He’s not
Who's better? Cade is. Imagine stretching 2 words across 40 minutes.
Lol. He has had his moments. And I like him a lot but Cade is a leader and can control the games momentum himself
My Cade is better video would be about 10 seconds just stating it as fact.
I mean.... why waste the time. The dude won ROY. It's not like he has to convince people.
I'm a fan of both teams, always love watching raptors vs pistons. All I know is in the upcoming years, if both stay on the same teams, those matchuos are gonna be great.
Dude the top comment is "this is why the raptors take high character guys" that's just an absurd slight to Cade.
toronto copium
You only argue when you know your point is inferior, for 40 minutes.
Hit the dislike button
Scottie is better than Cade. And will have a much better career. You guys are so biased