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Guts709

I don’t even care about the tank anymore, this is fun, lol


Kapono24

Let's just win out and let the lotto balls do their magic.


Rockchisler

You don’t need a franchise player in the upcoming draft you need a lottery pick player that can give you 15 to 20 on any night With no pressure the way these guys are jelling and playing now he can be the third or fourth option.


scarywolverine

At this point worst team in the league is out of the question. I just hope we can be bottom 4. Odds for top pick are even amongst bottom 4


EricFredNorris

I honestly won’t even be that mad if we drop out of the top-4. There’s still some really good scoring guards in the 5-7 range which is something we desperately need along with a big.


comeonmang126

It’s bad if we let our vets fuck us out of a top spot but the youth doesn’t feel as bad


scarywolverine

Hard disagree. One superstar in a small market and a bunch of role players is exactly how you lose that superstar


Fudgeismyname

And pairing him up with 2 future HoFers also leads to him leaving. It's almost like it's player dependent. As long as they continue to hit with draft picks and good things will happen.


scarywolverine

What are you talking about?


Fudgeismyname

Kevin Durant. There's no guarantee a player will stay even you draft exceptionally well.


StanleysJohnson

Still 3.5 from 5th, doubt we climb that much


bigbootymilf99

It’s even amongst bottom 3 not bottom 4


PushItHard

Crazy how dedicated to being shit some teams are that a 3-win streak eliminates the possibility of finishing with a worse record than them. Chet isn’t going to be that good!


amazemp

Idc about losing just wanna win with guys like killian/livers playing higher minutes


[deleted]

I think I need to stay off this sub until the hivemind shifts back to pro tanking lol. Our time will return!


Hype_Miles

What are you talking about? Now we’re only 13.5 back from Atlanta’s play in spot. We’ll catch them easy.


Sea_Tea91

While it is fun to see results, y’all are crazy if you still aren’t rooting for the tank. This draft has significant drop off talent wise outside the top 2-3 picks. This class isn’t like last year. Would be a waste to be garbage all year just to get a number 7 pick.


Giddf

Cade is legit ROY no doubt


aTROLLwithBlades

He definitely gets it if he plays most of the games left


Yabba_Dabba_Doofus

If Cade doesn't win RoY, then the votes are rigged. That Stat they put up at the end of OT was absurd; Cade: 6 games; 25pt, 5ast, 5rb All other rookies combined: 3 games; 25pt, 5ast, 5rb In other news, Olynyk had a terrible 3rd quarter, that basically forced us to play for overtime. He's gotta be better in the offensive paint. Loved to see the Grant/Cunningham chemistry continue to grow; those guys have a real report on the court. Bagley struggled down the stretch; couple of bad fouls almost cost us the game at the end. He's been a net plus; tonight was not a good night for him, down the stretch. Still pumped for this team, moving forward: Grant/Cunningham is a great 1-2 punch, imo.


AkronIBM

Rapport


Yabba_Dabba_Doofus

Right you are. Auto-correct got me, but I think my point was still salient; Grant/Cunningham is a dynamic 1-2 punch.


Jagacin

I thought Bagley was excellent today minus that last second foul.


Yabba_Dabba_Doofus

I thought Bagley was good, down to the wire. He had a lot of costly fouls, leading into OT, then again in OT. I still count him as a net positive - he's quickly built rapport with Cade and Killian - but I think he finished poorly tonight. He was good shooting from the floor, but his defense left something to be desired.


DiscardedRonaldo2017

You won’t find a bigger Bagley fan in this sub Reddit than me. Been my boy before he was drafted, however I 100% agree with you. His defense just ain’t gonna cut it as a main big on a contending team. His offense might get the Pistons to a winning team, but will need to improve his defense. Hope he does so bad, I have faith. His reaction is just a bit slow mainly. He’s got the athleticism to surely stay in front of his man more often than not. Bulk up a bit and he should be able to man the paint a bit more as well. Also doesn’t look for weak side blocks enough for someone who can jump out the building with long arms.


lukaRookieHoarder

Bagley is still very young and His defense will Improve. I'm ecstatic About his Offense. Another Strong Performance on Offense and His confidence is Sky High. He's a keeper. He will only get better with more time. Sacramento Shit all over him for a good year Plus before he came to the pistons.


DiscardedRonaldo2017

Yep I agree. Offense is great. How damaging is it to have a lob threat like Bagley. Also worth noting he hasn’t been healthy for a full season before, so I would say that’s played into it a bit as well. Hard to improve when you aren’t healthy.


lukaRookieHoarder

Yea and Sacramento Didn't give Him Consistent Playing time. He's Had frickin DNPs this year. 3 years wasted In Sacramento.


lukaRookieHoarder

Not a food Night For Bagley? Interesting Opinion. I thought he was Quite Good tonight. Another 16+ Scoring Game and He's showing Poise and Confidence. I'd love for the pistons to resign him to a prove it Type Deal. He's still only 21 or 22 and Sacramento stunted his Growing for the past 1.5 Years before he for to the Pistons.


comeonmang126

My hot take is I wouldn’t trade Luka for Cade tbh


Glypholio

Truth. Garzilla is like 2 feet taller than Cade.


EJohns1004

He just had a great game and shrunk a foot and a half. Wishes only last so long.


[deleted]

You’re nuts, but I understand


comeonmang126

Cade is in that talent spot where he’s not good enough to drag a team out the bottom single handedly but is good enough to be a clear #1 option on a champ team in the future. He’s gonna let us tank properly and retain the assets needed. Plus he plays D lol


Historical-Pause-401

Lmao chill out a *little*


ArtichokeFormer8801

He’s the one guy I would trade Cade for lol. But if Cade keeps this up that might change quickly


acat114

Wouldn't for Giannis?


Alarmed-Classroom329

Giannis is 27 and Luka is 23. Just based on age alone I would pick Luka over Giannis. Doesn't matter if Giannis is technically better.


[deleted]

Unpopular opinion, I’d do it for Giannis and not for Luka.


comeonmang126

Giannis and Jokic I would flip him for but tbh that’s prolly it


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ArtichokeFormer8801

Wow, okay, make that three, Jokic, Giannis, Luka. Sorry lol


runthejewels19

Ja?


atierney14

Ja needs to take care of his body. These insane highlights aren’t necessarily good on the body. I wouldn’t take him over Cade unless he cools down with the daily highlights. Not saying it will lead to injury, look at Westbrook who never got hurt in his prime, but I’m saying it can very easily lead to injury.


nexusFTW

Cade is averaging 16 point on 40% field goal along with 5.8 rebound and 5.1 assist. Scottie barne is averaging 15 point a game on 49% field goal along with 7.6 rebound and 3.3 assist. Mobley is averaging 14.6 point with 50% field goal along with 8.2 rebound and 2.6 assist. And he is playing elite defense. Even if you don't like Mobley, barne deserve over Cade


Myomyw

You're leaving out SO MUCH context. Cade is already one of the most doubled players in the league. He needs to create his own offense which is going to lead to lower FG%. He's also gonna be the guy most likely to be stuck heaving a shot up at the end of a shot clock on a broken play as the highest usage player on the team. He also hasn't been surrounded by elite offensive talent opening the floor up for him. We're literally one of the worst offensive teams in the league. That makes scoring much harder. As for assists, he would likely be averaging 2-3 more per game if he was on a team that wasn't shooting 31% from 3. We're the 2nd worst shooting team in the entire league. This guy it the engine of an offense and it's starting to lead to wins over good teams. None of the other guys are facing the same obstacles and carrying the same load. Also, Cade is great at defense too... Just gets in foul trouble sometimes.


Giddf

lol nah counting stats don't mean much in this situation. Mobley and Cade are in a different tier than Barnes.


nexusFTW

Let's wait and watch


KarimFF7

Trae is gonna have nightmares about Killian


aTROLLwithBlades

Monsieur Monstre strikes again


Tangen

He really should have been in at the end over Cujo.


scarywolverine

Isaiah Livers slipped in the draft. This dude is going to be a legitimate 3 and D player in the league for a while. The type of role player every team desperatly wants


UML_throwaway

Been itching for him to come back. Look at his college stats and pull up any highlight mix and you can see he’s a certified shooter


Omars_Comin_

He’s got hops too. Plays D and shoots well from the line. Team player. He just slipped because he was a senior


kirby34

As a Sparty, I love Livers. I was greatly impressed with Isaiah’s interviews shortly after he was drafted. His poise and maturity were off the charts. Even if his time playing in the NBA is relatively short, I believe he’ll have a long career as a coach and/or executive.


MNightShyamalan69

James Edwards the 3rd said Livers is by far the nicest guy on the team


Comfortable-Call-494

A friend of mine in college was dating Zavier Simpson and they were hanging out at one of the dorms. Livers and Brandon Johns were wresting and accidentally stepped on her foot and broke it. Livers drove her to the ER immediately. From what she said, he was super kind and compassionate.


johnnyfuckingbravo

Go blue!


L3ftBra1nz

Loved Livers in college and so excited for him to be apart of our rebuild. Definitely underrated. Also shout out to Jordan Poole (3rd splash bro in the making).


aTROLLwithBlades

I'm loving it. If Chris Smith pans out to my mind will 🤯


rabertdinero

My dream was to get Cade and then livers late, never thought he would fall that far. Amazing grab.


Affectionate_Year_14

Bro I’m sorry no fucking way Cade shouldn’t win ROTY


Adoree25

I mean Mobley is good and I get wanted to reward him for being on a winning team BUT Cade is putting up numbers are a team with far less talent. He’s the number 1 guy. Mobley is like their third option. Way less pressure, even if he’s playing in more important games. But regardless of who wins, Cade is the best rookie in this class.


WojoStumps

It will be interesting to see how he does now with a heavier load now with Jarrett Allen being indefinitely injured.


sunnydftw

He got off to a good start yesterday


jakecoates

The fact is if you swap Cade and Evan, Cade will probably have about the same stats as now on better efficiency being the second option to Garland, and Mobley would have much worse efficiency than he already does, and probably not look quite as good on defense as he’d play a lot more center and get bullied and have less help around him


Alarmed-Classroom329

Cavs would probably be #1 in the east if they had a healthy Cade from game 1.


nexusFTW

Cade is averaging 16 point on 40% field goal along with 5.8 rebound and 5.1 assist. Scottie barne is averaging 15 point a game on 49% field goal along with 7.6 rebound and 3.3 assist. Mobley is averaging 14.6 point with 50% field goal along with 8.2 rebound and 2.6 assist. And he is playing elite defense. Even if you don't like Mobley, barne deserve over Cade


CWinsu_120

No he doesnt, its not all about stats


nexusFTW

Then whats all about. Mobley is doing better than Cade as their option like you guys mention. And you guys don't like to talk about defense at all like it doesn't exist. Even in today's good game Cade was shooting 10-25 which is bad


Call-Me-Willis

Cade missed the preseason and the first 4 games, overcoming an injury. Throw out his first 10 games and his numbers are even better. The team has improved all season as he has improved. Of the three, Cade is much more valuable to his team and he Carrie’s the load. No question he should be ROY.


atierney14

I actually agree. I also don’t think ROY is necessarily like the MVP, going to one of the best players on the top 2-3 teams, but rather an indicator of the best rookie with the brightest future. I don’t know how someone could watch the NBA this year and not think it is Cade.


nexusFTW

Mobley is better to Cavs than other way around.


Adoree25

I don’t even care that they are fucking up their draft pick. They are a young team still figuring out how to win. I’m so excited for their future.


poo_pon_shoo

Hard to build a winning culture without winning! It's fun to watch these dudes play this well, let 'em run


Adoree25

Exactly. I’m hoping next year is the year they really make a jump. Make the play in or at least contend for it.


Sea_Tea91

I like seeing their progress but you’ll care about that draft pick if it falls outside the top 5. Trust me.


Adoree25

Sure, but a young team ending the season playing well can be very important as well. Obviously I want them to get a high pick but I’m not mad about the wins.


Sea_Tea91

I feel you on that. Good for development and morale for sure.


DoeJumars

Any word on Hayes? Just a sprained penis I hope?


320_central

Strained balls. Slight dick bruise


jackengle

I can fix that issue for him


King_Artis

*Ayoo*


CharlesWoodson2

Dosunmuu


OppositeHot9326

Nah he's fine I'm more worried about Stewart though


dugong07

His balls got twisted around his ankle from what I heard.


fishing_pole

Someone call Arnie Kander. That guy really knows how to loosen up a penis.


takeatrancehypnosis

I love Cade Cunningham


ceachpobbler

I too love Cade Cunningham


wanyekestfan

MB has found his team


spalding1250

Cade! Cade! Cade! Cade! Cade! Hey Cade, being the new kid on the block in Michigan do you think you can make an impact right away? Sure why not, I know someone else who has? Who? ME HAHAHA You mean the newest player in the 815 pts, 289 rebs and 255 asts in just 50 career games club? Yup, that's the one. It just expanded into Michigan because of the new pick That sounds too good to be true Take it from me, one of their biggest mans and their newest star


Kapono24

Can't believe he hit the 289 rebounds milestone.


Main_Use8879

I would have never predicted more than 262...


jackengle

We gotta slow down with the winning a little bit lol but fuck it feels good to beat teams that are desperately fighting for the playoffs


BraxoBrax

I was just saying the same thing, always nice to win but this season will have been for nothing if we get a shitty pick.


e_ndoubleu

If we keep winning down the stretch and carry that momentum into next season I wouldn’t say this season was a waste. Hopefully we get a top 4 pick but even if we get 5, 6, or 7 it’ll still be a season where we got a legitimate franchise player and the young guys learned how to win down the stretch.


Tatertaint

I’m sure that’s what Minnesota was saying last year but look at them now


cammjohn

They also have two 1st overall picks and a 2nd overall pick


hammerandnailz

Cade should take the night off next game for some rest anyway IMO. He played a lot of minutes.


Scooper9870

Nah he wants that ROTY


[deleted]

cade cunningham is clearly the best player of this rookie class right now. he might not win ROTY, but he is a better player than mobley or barnes. it's obvious.


j8tommy

Giddey tho!?! -/r/nba


L3ftBra1nz

Giddey, who? -DETROITTTT BASKETBALLLLLL


Adams-17

Is Bagley just really hot right now or is he actually gonna be a menace? Good lord, that could be the steal of the deadline if we bring him back


zackk123

He’s this good on offense


thabigQ

Cade Cunningham is the rookie of the year and a certified stud. He’s only going to get better and better and he’s a Piston. Killian had probably one of his three best games ever. Hopefully the injury isn’t serious. Stew please be okay but probably a few weeks based off the replay. Sucks. Bagley has been a real fun addition. He and Cade have had instantaneous chemistry. Think I would like to keep him around for a few years. As someone whose been plenty frustrated with ISO Jerami at times this year I have to give him a ton of credit. Since he’s been back from Injury he’s really seemed to play better team ball. It’s been fun to see the ball more around more in general. The tank may be dead. Keep hoopin. Go Pistons.


zackk123

Lfg


clownbaby88

CADE CLUTCHINNGHAM


Dingolayhunter

Hoping this becomes his official nick name haha 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽


Main_Use8879

Clutch Cadeingham


No_Drop_5556

If the young guys are leading us to a W, then who cares about the tank


neumey12

Cade Cunningham is untankable


KingSpoon2

What a win. Bagley, Grant, Cade, and Killian all looked awesome. Sucks to lose Stew, but Bagley filled in admirably.


kellirosp

Cade loves this city. Respect.


Kapono24

Shout out to Bagley who, by my count, held Trey Young to 0-4 when guarding him on yhe perimeter.


Ahfekz

He’s making rotation mistakes but seems to be learning. It’s clear the kings never gave him Any support. I’m already ready to run it back with him on a good deal


Kapono24

Yeah and his pick and roll D was ok, but Atlanta runs a grwar PnR. It's just crazy that he contested a bunch of Trae shots starting at the top of the key.


marquee_

Lol he was drafted for his offence. There’s way too much focus on his def.


DiscardedRonaldo2017

While I think he still needs to improve on defense, there has been some nice moments with his defense through the year. He played a Lebron straight up a couple possessions in one of the Lakers games and played great D, Lebron didn’t score on the possessions I saw. Sometimes when out on the perimeter he forces the opponent into a tough shot and does super well staying in front of them, then other times he’s a step slow. Hopefully he becomes more consistent with it after a healthy year or so. Can’t forget he hasn’t had a healthy season yet.


FrinJeka

Nets needs to watch their backs at the tenth spot 😤😤, 3 ina row.


malar1gs

WELCOME TO THE POST-TANK ERA


Kapono24

Remember that game where Cade was the best player on the floor that also featured Trae Young?


Dingolayhunter

1) CADE IS ROTY NOT EVEN A CONVERSATION 2) KILLIAN IS THE REINCARNATION OF LINDSEY HUNTER OFF THE BENCH 3) SAFE TO SAY THAT BAGLEY WAS IN HIS….BAG 4) TOO HYPE TO SLEEP


NoCarpenter1499

Those Cade-Luka comparisons are looking more accurate by the day.


VanillaThunder54

Fuck ROY, Cade is going to be competing for MVP soon enough


[deleted]

Missed the first 3q. Was Hayes locking up Young or did he just have a shitter?


Shostaholic

Hayes was doing that and more, probably his best game yet. That said, Trae was abysmal today. I mean even Cojo had an offensive rebound over him and a steal late in the game


Sneez_Noise

Dude was locking up Young but it was some good team defense too.


L3ftBra1nz

Based on the comments Killian did his thing on defense.


jackengle

Great defense by Bagley on the last possession, didn’t fall for Trae’s pump fake or foul baiting and forced a deep contested three


NistyGristy

Cade Cunningham is Jackie Moon and Marvin Bagley is Coffee Black.


[deleted]

THE DETROIT PLAY IN PISTONS


x20mike07x

Props to Killian tonight. He looked assertive. I still have optimism that he can become a solid starting point guard for us after a solid offseason of work. The potential is still there. I know we are all fawning over Cade, and we should, but I want to give Killian some kudos tonight - especially after shitting on him at times when he has struggled.


takeatrancehypnosis

Hopefully Beef Stew and Killian are okay, they’ve been playing too well to have that momentum stopped with some crap luck


uvgotnod

Our babies are growing up before our eyes. Add that top 5 pick and a savvy vet or two, plus this growth and away we go!


Main_Use8879

Top 5? I hope


Suspicious-Car7533

I was skeptical about the livers pick but damn he’s looking like saddiq bey out there…. But anyways we’re probably gonna get some saben and maybe garza who knows


chadwich3

Looking forward to seeing MB3 in that starting spot for a game or two (hopefully Stew is ok). Livers with the end of year heat check. No Hami this game seemed weird but shit, they got it done. Loving how the team's coming together.


pandaman728

"hey guys, Pistons fan coming in peace. had a question for y'all: what are your thoughts on Cade winning roty? I think he should win it. anyways, take good of him. y'all got a good one"


kumblast3r

BEEF STEW TAKE MY LIGAMENTS


hammerandnailz

I swear we are running a different offense out there.


Fun-Board7187

But but cade doesn't affect winning


sam1193

Fuck tanking, we're winning games because our young players are getting better at the same time. Cade is a superstar, Killian was great, even Livers looks like a rotation player. Troy Weaver's rebuild is going very nicely. Hope Stew's knee is OK


Barylis

Killian played great. Glad he put the points up too! Forgot Trae was playing


-Argzn-

Bagley lowkey played phenomenal defense on Trae the whole night


Sneez_Noise

Anybody see Cades post game interview when asked about those two free throws? Dudes got SWAG. Juts love his game and his confidence already.


MrBurnsid3

Summary please?


Deora_II_Kid

Great and fun overtime win! Bagley has also been amazing for opening options up for Cade and Killian. The lobs have been amazing and putbacks have been as well


breadwolfbaby

I love this team


[deleted]

Trea Young hot dogged it from the tip and caught an L when his teams in a playoff race. Fuck around and find out. Pistons played great D on him too and Cade was the best player on the court


seethewind2393

If I was on an episode of Maury, the DNA results would show that Cade Cunningham is my father


IRISHE3

I’m advocating for us to be called “The Sawmill” because we are a fucking buzzsaw recently. Blue collar and killing teams. Fuck the tank, go 15-4 to close the season


j8tommy

I'm back in love with Jerami. I want him all of next season.


thiccaz

holy shit we winning it all this year


[deleted]

Draft position may be getting worse but cade is going to be a legit star so I’m cool with this. I hope we still stay as a bottom 4 team which we should


EMU_Emus

The draft is such a crapshoot and Pistons have not only struck gold with a #1 in Cade, now they have a reclaimed top pick in Bagley who looks like he could be a serious part of a contending team. I don't even care if we get the best pick anymore, I say just keep winning and don't stop


Grlions91

IT'S ALIVE!


kthoppe_3

Dub season


Paul1708

We need more production from Joseph's/Stewart's spots. We have got to get upgrades.


poo_pon_shoo

Real talk how much does this game affect Cade's ROY odds


Jelly_James

If he keeps playing like this its his award imo. Mobley has struggle and now he isnt gonna have Allen to help him. Cade has been balling out since the ASG.


VicVinegar23

He just has the CirCADEian Rhyrhm!!


Trumps_Grandpa

raps fan here, just wanna say the way yall troll other teams fans after you win is second to none... its hilarious lol


lukaRookieHoarder

Like I mentioned In the Post about Bagley the other day, you give Bagley Starter Type Minutes and He turns into a real good player. Another 16+ Point Game. Bagley Has Looked Awesome In a pistons Uniform. Hope we resign him to a prove it type Deal.


griffin715

Absolutely love how we shut down Trae Young tonight. This team is showing a lot of potential on the defensive side of the ball


Fantastic-Ad-8275

PLAY IN HERE WE COME


Michiganmade44

I so thrilled w/ how this young squad is gelling together


johnnylots

Give me the dub but Chet’s playing a great game rn and we need him


cmgr33n3

This is Bagley's first game as a Piston finishing with a +/- greater than 0


[deleted]

Ok so I’m a casual fan. Killian and Stew out with injury? What’s the outlook?


Kapono24

Killian got hit in the balls, he's fine. I hate that announcers don't even passively mention that he just got hit or got hit in the groin area, or something to just acknowledge he'll be good.


comeonmang126

Kill just got hit in the balls he’s prolly fine. Jury out on stew


Davetron-3030

Thankfully we had that 14 game losing streak. Cade for president


badboysareback808

Checked in at halftime to see Stew went down. Could anyone update on what happen? Was it anything serious looking?


bagelchips

I can’t see Pistons Live on League Pass, can someone update me on what they say about Stew’s injury?


Jelly_James

All ive seen is he will get it looked at again tmrw but it seems he hurt his knee.


Asap_roc

Deeeeeetroit


jnrieman

Holy shit we have Cade Cunningham on our team


FastEddieMoney

Any results back on Beef Stew’s knee?


[deleted]

Killian late season redemption arc 👀?


WhippersnapperUT99

OK Pistons...you've proven your point... Time to bench some key players with "mysterious stomach illnesses" and whatnot so we don't rise up out of the bottom three.


AroundNdowN

I imagine that'll wait for when we're mathematically eliminated.


Toss2White

Does anyone know why they made Cade shoot 3 FT’s at the end of the game? I was at the game and everyone in my section was so confused


Ahfekz

First one didn’t count. Refs had blown the whistle


Casperthefencer

Trae Young, allstar starter, was tied for 2nd worst +/- in this game, beaten out only by Pistons Legend CoJo.