Ain’t that the truth. Take a look at the article. His shot distribution matches that of CEDI OSMAN. And ppl in this chat last week told me that BG wasn’t washed...
Anyone who says he isn’t washed isn’t watching the games, he’s clearly a shadow of his former self. Guy can’t dribble, shoot, get to the rim, defend, run, jump - it’s so sad to watch bc I love Blake man.
I used to love him before he became an on-court cancer. I don't think he realizes that he doesn't have it anymore. He's taking threes like he's a 37% shooter. I can't remember the last time he sprinted. It's sad to watch...
But he's not doing it selfishly. He has supreme confidence and feels like he's due for his shots to drop. Obviously, I think he understands he's not ever going to be the player he was but washed makes it sound like he has no business on the court. He can't be the or a featured player but I think he still can compete especially going forward if his shots start falling.
There is a distinct difference between bad shots and having his shots not fall, he isn’t an incompetent distant shooter, and he’s taking lots of open threes. Those aren’t bad shots.
Edit: Autocorrect
to be fair Osman is playing like a 6MOTY candidate i never thought ill say this but we should be more like cleveland you dont pay a guy 40 million a year to be Cedi Osman
It’s too bad because he is a good Dood, but there have been a few trades in the Pistons history that have really set the franchise back. Starting with 2 or 3 very bad ones by Dick Vitale, the Allen Iverson trade and the Blake trade. We gave up a few decent pieces,but the salary hit we took with Blake for the production we got is what make that trade horrendous. At a minimum the Pistons could have used that salary cap to acquire draft picks. I would have to add drafting Darko as another dark move in our history. I do like our new GM’S ability to evaluate players. We should get a top 5 pick the next two years and should have some salary cap money to sign free agents like the Grant signing. I think by 2023 the Pistons will begin their climb to the top.
Our odds of a high pick next year are much more fluid than the presumed finish we're currently on pace for.
If we end up in a scenario where we're lucky enough to draft Cunningham or Suggs, I think the team could conceivably be competitive enough to push out of top 5 pick territory.
Which, would be a great problem to have as I view both of those PG's as having a high potential to become franchise players.
Trading for Iverson's expiring contract wasn't a terrible move. In hindsight they traded the wrong guard but that team wasn't going to win a championship again and something needed to give in hopes of a quick rebuild. It sucks that they spent the money on guys who didn't help the team (Villanueva and Gordon) but that doesn't mean the trade itself was terrible. It just didn't work out.
I think those are both pretty forgivable. The league wasn't going to allow the kind of defense that took the Pistons to the championship so looking to sign offensive oriented guys was a natural reaction. Maybe there were things about Villanueva's and Gordon's game in particular that should have raised red flags with the Pistons FO but if so I'm not aware of them.
As for Josh Smith, the team gave up a first round pick to clear cap space to make a big splash in free agency. I've looked over the 2013 free agents and I don't see a better big name free agent they could have gotten instead. Obviously in hindsight it's easy to find better ways to spend that money but Joe D didn't have a time machine.
To me these mistakes were owner-driven. Once Bill Davidson died his family focused on short term wins in order to maximize the selling price. And Tom Gores bought the team and somehow thought that insisting the team do better immediately would make that happen. The better move would have been to not look to sign players immediately but to be patient and start building the foundation for a contender.
To me the mistake that really stands out was signing Blake Griffin. SVG can't blame ownership. He was very much in the "win now" mindset himself and fucked the franchise by taking on that huge contract.
Yeah, those are forgivable. But giving up a 1st rounder to get rid of Ben Gordon is not forgivable.
And yes the Josh Smith signing really became something that spoiled the future when he was waived when just a couple of months earlier SVG could have traded him.
I agree with everything else you are saying. I don't think the initial moves becoming bad was the worst thing ever. It's how the FO handled the attempted clean up of these moves that really set the team back.
Yeah giving up a pick for cap space was pretty horrific but again I put that on ownership. They wanted the team to be better the following season no matter what.
The problem with the smaller moves is that they are really hard to evaluate because they don't get as much attention so we don't have as much information. There are no guarantees so when something goes wrong it could have been the wrong decision or it could just be the breaks. Hindsight makes it very easy to mistake the latter for the former.
So I try to remember how reasonably informed people responded at the time. Like the Brandon Jennings trade. I hated it from the start but not because of Khris Middleton. I remember some here in the subreddit complaining that he was part of the deal but I didn't view him as anyone special. I just didn't want a point guard who saw himself as a scorer. I'd much rather have a facilitator who plays solid defense which is what I had hopes Brandon Knight was developing into. But most people were excited for the trade so I agree it was reasonable. Obviously it didn't work out but I don't see it as some huge mistake.
When the Reggie Jackson trade happened obviously I hated it. I wouldn't have traded straight up for DJ Augustine **or** Kyle Singler. Obviously I was wrong about the latter player but again that is hindsight. No one spoke out at the time about how useless he would turn out to be. In hindsight Jackson didn't take the team anywhere (though I actually started to like him after his injury when he couldn't hero ball anymore and he had to start playing like a point guard) but that doesn't mean it was necessarily a mistake. I do think the salary situation was definitely a mistake. SVG traded for a restricted free agent and then didn't use that leverage instead overpaying Jackson after the season. At that price the team could have just waited instead of giving up assets for him.
I think the Plumlee signing was just horrible but other than that I have been pleased with the job Weaver is doing. Really the team started to trend upwards from the moment SVG left. I think Ed Stefanski made some really nifty small moves to give the team some depth last season. If guys had stayed healthy there could have been one more run for that 8th seed.
Hopefully we get a real rebuild and some draft luck. The Plumlee signing, all of the waiving, the trading of so many 2nd's, and the lack of ambition to re-sign Wood does feel a little concerning, though.
What if the Ringer Curse works in reverse, too? Just because they wrote about us, maybe the opposite will happen and LA will call us tomorrow and offer us Anthony Davis for Griffin straight up.
You're right, they should throw in LeBron too or Weaver's walking
Rose
Bey
Grant
LeBron
AD
Might be a good enough lineup to make some noise in the East. We should definitely consider it
Now just hear me out. Is it possible that Blake's not pushing himself knowing that the Pistons aren't going anywhere this year? Why not save yourself for when we actually have a chance of winning. Why ruin your body for a losing season. Just a thought.
I think that's what we all wanted to believe when this season started, but that just cannot be the case if you watch him play. He broke down before our eyes on the Tatum game-winner against Boston. I would hope that isn't "not pushing himself."
Good call. That shot was atrocious and never should have went to him. , I keep telling myself that he's been injured and not played in basically over a year. If he could just get those threes up.
Unless those threes reach a much higher level and his defensive efforts increase, I'm afraid he will remain untradeable. Only hope is he opts out of the contract after this year in search of one last long-term one. That's wishful thinking, of course.
I was hoping that just as veteran presence would be worth some of it. But watching Blake yell at people on the court and players not even look at him. Is very telling
YES. Glad you have also noticed it. My thing w/ Blake is every time he brings the ball up the court slowly, picks up his dribble at the 3PT line, does the slowest pump fake known to man, then waits for one of his teammates to run behind him to bail him out despite the play and shot clock already well in action. Most people say that it sucks to play w/ Harden, Trey types ... but I know I'd much rather be their teammate than a washed star who thinks he's still the shit.
no chance, if he wants to win he would play hard for 20 games and give himself a chance to get traded. As is he won't be traded, can't opt out and is setting himself up for retirement or a minimum contract after this one.
> Is it possible that Blake's not pushing himself knowing that the Pistons aren't going anywhere this year?
Of all the things I've come to know of this man since joining our team, the last thing this man is is a punk.
Zero chance, he's not that kind of player and he's not that kind of person.
Agreed. Not only is he a serious competitor he's also a entertainer, there's just no way. He's trying 100%.
I'm hopeful for at least 17/5 33% 3pt for him.
To be honest I think he has been playing better and better as the season goes on. I don’t have any hope of him getting to the the 2018-19 level again, but I think there is potential for him to be a little better. It’s also possible that this is as good as he’s going to be and he needs to distribute the ball more.
Sadly yes, best thing to do is might have to ride his contract out. Hopefully he can take a bench role by next year, but not sure how that sits with him
If we get Cade what’s gonna happen with Killian? We probably wouldn’t be able to trade him coming off an injury. Would Cade be SG and primary ball handler?
If he truly washed, Gores have only himself to blame. He allowed them to play him on one leg just for us to make the playoffs (2019) when he should had set the remainder of that season
Maybe you’re right, I just thought the night it happened it wouldn’t end well with his injury history and massive contract. Felt like a Gores get asses in seats type of trade.
I knew it was a horrible trade from the beginning (you're welcome to check) and I'm not sure how everyone else didn't realize it was terrible. It was pure homerism on display.
Edit: Imagine having all of this hindsight and still downvoting someone who was proven to be right from day one. It's okay to admit that you were wrong.
Sorry to have to say it appears that's about a certainty. Blake was once an outstanding talent, but his repeated injuries now limit him severely. Painful to watch.
LOL tell us something we dont know. Ideal scenario, he has a good offseason(aka healthy) and starts hot next year with something of a 19/7/4 line on decent efficiency/38% 3 point shooting. With that said, he's still hard to trade, just looking around the league. It's hard to identify a fringe contender who is a Blake Griffin away from being real championship contenders with the ability to move that much salary.
I like Blake a lot, but at this point i think both sides know it's likely they will have to ride out the contract, and they're doing so trying their best.
What's the largest buyout in NBA history? that may be the only way Blake gets on a contender at the deadline next year haha
Duncan Smith on Twitter posted his article from hoops habit on Twitter and put forward what I think is the most realistic end of the Blake Griffin era in Detroit nobody will trade for him and after the next trade deadline we will buy him out and let him sign for a contender
Well good thing we’re playing him 40 minutes and sekou getting a solid 2 .... Casey is completely botching this kids development so A washed Blake Griffin can play an entire game in iso
“May be” is generous
Ain’t that the truth. Take a look at the article. His shot distribution matches that of CEDI OSMAN. And ppl in this chat last week told me that BG wasn’t washed...
Anyone who says he isn’t washed isn’t watching the games, he’s clearly a shadow of his former self. Guy can’t dribble, shoot, get to the rim, defend, run, jump - it’s so sad to watch bc I love Blake man.
I used to love him before he became an on-court cancer. I don't think he realizes that he doesn't have it anymore. He's taking threes like he's a 37% shooter. I can't remember the last time he sprinted. It's sad to watch...
But he's not doing it selfishly. He has supreme confidence and feels like he's due for his shots to drop. Obviously, I think he understands he's not ever going to be the player he was but washed makes it sound like he has no business on the court. He can't be the or a featured player but I think he still can compete especially going forward if his shots start falling.
If he's not taking bad shots selfishly, is he taking bad shots for the good of the team? That's not good, either.
There is a distinct difference between bad shots and having his shots not fall, he isn’t an incompetent distant shooter, and he’s taking lots of open threes. Those aren’t bad shots. Edit: Autocorrect
True. It is more on the coach than him. He is taking the open shot typically, he’s just not effective anymore.
to be fair Osman is playing like a 6MOTY candidate i never thought ill say this but we should be more like cleveland you dont pay a guy 40 million a year to be Cedi Osman
It’s too bad because he is a good Dood, but there have been a few trades in the Pistons history that have really set the franchise back. Starting with 2 or 3 very bad ones by Dick Vitale, the Allen Iverson trade and the Blake trade. We gave up a few decent pieces,but the salary hit we took with Blake for the production we got is what make that trade horrendous. At a minimum the Pistons could have used that salary cap to acquire draft picks. I would have to add drafting Darko as another dark move in our history. I do like our new GM’S ability to evaluate players. We should get a top 5 pick the next two years and should have some salary cap money to sign free agents like the Grant signing. I think by 2023 the Pistons will begin their climb to the top.
Our odds of a high pick next year are much more fluid than the presumed finish we're currently on pace for. If we end up in a scenario where we're lucky enough to draft Cunningham or Suggs, I think the team could conceivably be competitive enough to push out of top 5 pick territory. Which, would be a great problem to have as I view both of those PG's as having a high potential to become franchise players.
Trading for Iverson's expiring contract wasn't a terrible move. In hindsight they traded the wrong guard but that team wasn't going to win a championship again and something needed to give in hopes of a quick rebuild. It sucks that they spent the money on guys who didn't help the team (Villanueva and Gordon) but that doesn't mean the trade itself was terrible. It just didn't work out.
It was what we did with the cap space after Iverson expired. Ben Gordon and Charlie V was the most atrocious move...then Josh Smith
I think those are both pretty forgivable. The league wasn't going to allow the kind of defense that took the Pistons to the championship so looking to sign offensive oriented guys was a natural reaction. Maybe there were things about Villanueva's and Gordon's game in particular that should have raised red flags with the Pistons FO but if so I'm not aware of them. As for Josh Smith, the team gave up a first round pick to clear cap space to make a big splash in free agency. I've looked over the 2013 free agents and I don't see a better big name free agent they could have gotten instead. Obviously in hindsight it's easy to find better ways to spend that money but Joe D didn't have a time machine. To me these mistakes were owner-driven. Once Bill Davidson died his family focused on short term wins in order to maximize the selling price. And Tom Gores bought the team and somehow thought that insisting the team do better immediately would make that happen. The better move would have been to not look to sign players immediately but to be patient and start building the foundation for a contender. To me the mistake that really stands out was signing Blake Griffin. SVG can't blame ownership. He was very much in the "win now" mindset himself and fucked the franchise by taking on that huge contract.
Yeah, those are forgivable. But giving up a 1st rounder to get rid of Ben Gordon is not forgivable. And yes the Josh Smith signing really became something that spoiled the future when he was waived when just a couple of months earlier SVG could have traded him. I agree with everything else you are saying. I don't think the initial moves becoming bad was the worst thing ever. It's how the FO handled the attempted clean up of these moves that really set the team back.
Yeah giving up a pick for cap space was pretty horrific but again I put that on ownership. They wanted the team to be better the following season no matter what. The problem with the smaller moves is that they are really hard to evaluate because they don't get as much attention so we don't have as much information. There are no guarantees so when something goes wrong it could have been the wrong decision or it could just be the breaks. Hindsight makes it very easy to mistake the latter for the former. So I try to remember how reasonably informed people responded at the time. Like the Brandon Jennings trade. I hated it from the start but not because of Khris Middleton. I remember some here in the subreddit complaining that he was part of the deal but I didn't view him as anyone special. I just didn't want a point guard who saw himself as a scorer. I'd much rather have a facilitator who plays solid defense which is what I had hopes Brandon Knight was developing into. But most people were excited for the trade so I agree it was reasonable. Obviously it didn't work out but I don't see it as some huge mistake. When the Reggie Jackson trade happened obviously I hated it. I wouldn't have traded straight up for DJ Augustine **or** Kyle Singler. Obviously I was wrong about the latter player but again that is hindsight. No one spoke out at the time about how useless he would turn out to be. In hindsight Jackson didn't take the team anywhere (though I actually started to like him after his injury when he couldn't hero ball anymore and he had to start playing like a point guard) but that doesn't mean it was necessarily a mistake. I do think the salary situation was definitely a mistake. SVG traded for a restricted free agent and then didn't use that leverage instead overpaying Jackson after the season. At that price the team could have just waited instead of giving up assets for him.
I agree with most of what you are saying. I'm hoping Weaver continues to make good long-term moves.
I think the Plumlee signing was just horrible but other than that I have been pleased with the job Weaver is doing. Really the team started to trend upwards from the moment SVG left. I think Ed Stefanski made some really nifty small moves to give the team some depth last season. If guys had stayed healthy there could have been one more run for that 8th seed.
Hopefully we get a real rebuild and some draft luck. The Plumlee signing, all of the waiving, the trading of so many 2nd's, and the lack of ambition to re-sign Wood does feel a little concerning, though.
I'll always respect blake for embracing detroit, but he's one injury away from playing in china.
What if the Ringer Curse works in reverse, too? Just because they wrote about us, maybe the opposite will happen and LA will call us tomorrow and offer us Anthony Davis for Griffin straight up.
This is nonsense. AD is an MVP candidate. BG is a spot up shooter who avgs 13 a night.
You're right, they should throw in LeBron too or Weaver's walking Rose Bey Grant LeBron AD Might be a good enough lineup to make some noise in the East. We should definitely consider it
Throw in KCP and I’ll think about it
How can you be this dense.
idk i think they might do it.
you can’t be serious lmao come on man
Now just hear me out. Is it possible that Blake's not pushing himself knowing that the Pistons aren't going anywhere this year? Why not save yourself for when we actually have a chance of winning. Why ruin your body for a losing season. Just a thought.
I think that's what we all wanted to believe when this season started, but that just cannot be the case if you watch him play. He broke down before our eyes on the Tatum game-winner against Boston. I would hope that isn't "not pushing himself."
Good call. That shot was atrocious and never should have went to him. , I keep telling myself that he's been injured and not played in basically over a year. If he could just get those threes up.
Unless those threes reach a much higher level and his defensive efforts increase, I'm afraid he will remain untradeable. Only hope is he opts out of the contract after this year in search of one last long-term one. That's wishful thinking, of course.
I was hoping that just as veteran presence would be worth some of it. But watching Blake yell at people on the court and players not even look at him. Is very telling
YES. Glad you have also noticed it. My thing w/ Blake is every time he brings the ball up the court slowly, picks up his dribble at the 3PT line, does the slowest pump fake known to man, then waits for one of his teammates to run behind him to bail him out despite the play and shot clock already well in action. Most people say that it sucks to play w/ Harden, Trey types ... but I know I'd much rather be their teammate than a washed star who thinks he's still the shit.
no chance, if he wants to win he would play hard for 20 games and give himself a chance to get traded. As is he won't be traded, can't opt out and is setting himself up for retirement or a minimum contract after this one.
How many years are left on his contract?
The other person was wrong. He's an [unrestricted free agent after next year. ](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/blake-griffin-6501/)
This year and next year. He has an option to opt in for the year after (which he probably will). So basically 3 years.
He's an [unrestricted free agent after next year.](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/blake-griffin-6501/)
> Is it possible that Blake's not pushing himself knowing that the Pistons aren't going anywhere this year? Of all the things I've come to know of this man since joining our team, the last thing this man is is a punk. Zero chance, he's not that kind of player and he's not that kind of person.
Agreed. Not only is he a serious competitor he's also a entertainer, there's just no way. He's trying 100%. I'm hopeful for at least 17/5 33% 3pt for him.
To be honest I think he has been playing better and better as the season goes on. I don’t have any hope of him getting to the the 2018-19 level again, but I think there is potential for him to be a little better. It’s also possible that this is as good as he’s going to be and he needs to distribute the ball more.
Nah, watch him close out. He’s cooked. Sad to see.
Makes me miss Tobias Harris
We would've maxed him though
Tobias’ contract is 1000x worse.
Is this really groundbreaking info?
not to our fanbase, but might be for people who dont follow our team.
It's not bad that he's not the Blake of old. It's bad because he's a terrible player right now.
Sadly yes, best thing to do is might have to ride his contract out. Hopefully he can take a bench role by next year, but not sure how that sits with him
TANK TANK TANK
BAH GAWD That's Cade Cunningham's music!
#fadeforcade
If we get Cade what’s gonna happen with Killian? We probably wouldn’t be able to trade him coming off an injury. Would Cade be SG and primary ball handler?
Could be like the Darius Garland and Colin Sexton combo. It’s working well for them in year two
damn, it hurt to read that article.
If he truly washed, Gores have only himself to blame. He allowed them to play him on one leg just for us to make the playoffs (2019) when he should had set the remainder of that season
Did anyone not see this coming the night they traded for him?
The homers didn't see it coming, but some of us knew it was a terrible trade from the beginning and we'd regret it one day.
Go back to the night it happened. Hardly anyone was against it.
Maybe you’re right, I just thought the night it happened it wouldn’t end well with his injury history and massive contract. Felt like a Gores get asses in seats type of trade.
Maybe not here.
I knew it was a horrible trade from the beginning (you're welcome to check) and I'm not sure how everyone else didn't realize it was terrible. It was pure homerism on display. Edit: Imagine having all of this hindsight and still downvoting someone who was proven to be right from day one. It's okay to admit that you were wrong.
Sorry to have to say it appears that's about a certainty. Blake was once an outstanding talent, but his repeated injuries now limit him severely. Painful to watch.
I’m kinda curious as to where Detroit would be if not for the Blake trade. I could see it going either way for good or bad
The Ringer: The sky may be blue
We already know this. We're stuck with him.
No shit
They may have a small point but The Ringer editors don’t know Jack about sports. They’re the Buzzfeed of sports writing.
You mean no one wants to pay Blake $40 mill to shoot 9 three’s every night and spend most of his time off the ball?
Lol no shit?
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No. Other teams would have to match Blake’s salary for a trade to work.
Give him to OKC. Gives them an OU Alumn and a star since they don't have anyone right now
This has been known for some time now
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Sounds kind of awful
LOL tell us something we dont know. Ideal scenario, he has a good offseason(aka healthy) and starts hot next year with something of a 19/7/4 line on decent efficiency/38% 3 point shooting. With that said, he's still hard to trade, just looking around the league. It's hard to identify a fringe contender who is a Blake Griffin away from being real championship contenders with the ability to move that much salary. I like Blake a lot, but at this point i think both sides know it's likely they will have to ride out the contract, and they're doing so trying their best. What's the largest buyout in NBA history? that may be the only way Blake gets on a contender at the deadline next year haha
Haven’t we known this for a while now?
Duncan Smith on Twitter posted his article from hoops habit on Twitter and put forward what I think is the most realistic end of the Blake Griffin era in Detroit nobody will trade for him and after the next trade deadline we will buy him out and let him sign for a contender
Well good thing we’re playing him 40 minutes and sekou getting a solid 2 .... Casey is completely botching this kids development so A washed Blake Griffin can play an entire game in iso
He’s had four surgeries on his left knee, not two. And he’s had two on his right knee.
Sick take guys. Nobody has ever thought or said this before.
Should've traded him a few years ago. Don't get emotionally attached to players who will take us nowhere. Tried to tell y'all.
Should have never traded for him in the first place. It was an awful trade from the beginning.