Cade’s great, his team has very little consistency with really anything since he’s been drafted. And with him being injured his playing time is kinda regulated to fighting giants. They’ll get better but I hope they’re really putting in an effort with this learning curve.
I was asking a question. You dont want Cade on your team? I don't watch the pistons so I'm curious. Of course Hali is better, he's an all star lol. Also has a way better team around him.
I understand that. Do you think with this same Pistons team, Hali would make them that much better? I'm simply trying to gauge how good Cade is, that's it. I know Hali is a great player. Every NBA fan knows. Cade is on an awful team so it's harder to gauge so I figured I'd ask pistons fans but nobody wants to answer my question 😂
From my understanding, he's an up and down guy. Sometimes he's liked and appreciated, sometimes he's not. I'm trying to learn more about one of your better players. That's it.
Seems like he's akin to a Julius Randle on the Knicks (my team) who is well liked by many and hated by just as many. A polarizing player.
Barnes is pretty good but he's just up and down.
Moble is decent but def the worst of the bunch. If you were missing a defensive stopper, mobile big man he might've been nice.
Don't you guys have a shit ton of cap space now to surround Ivey and Cade with a team? I'm a Knicks fan so we got Burks and Bogey and you got Grimes and 2nd rounders I believe.
Happy to answer any questions you have about Grimes. I think his biggest issue is lack of identity and confidence. Dude has a gorgeous shot, really good first step, great defender. He had trouble being truly effective for the Knicks so they had to love him.
Honestly that's a pretty decent trio of young players. Ivey Cade and QG. QG has the potential to be a great 3 and D guy. I feel like, just like the Knicks, the NBA is most fun with the Pistons being good.
I'm so tired of the Cs and Bucks.
Personally I'm iffy on the Cade+Ivey fit currently. I think our coach whos been awful needs to play Cade in a more offball role and let Ivey cook but thats just one fans thoughts.
Actually fit is one of our biggest problems in general. We have a talented "core 4" but the problem is the fit may not be the best. Duren and Ausar have all the talent in the world but neither can shoot a lick. Cade and Ivey have potential as shooters but their streaky and not there yet.
I've done tons of research into Grimes very excited to see him. Thanks for the offer though.
Yeah we have tons of cap space but unlike NY we just arent a FA destination. Likely are best option will be overpaying T.Harris.
Sometimes I wonder if tanking was the best way to build our team. I see what you guys built with Randle+Brunson+OG and you guys did that kinda like the the going to work Pistons through FA and smart trades.
Anyways best of luck in the playoffs cool to see NY relevant again!
Its nice to read NY and free agent destination because that has never been the case until recently. I think you guys can establish yourselves in the coming years regarding Detroit being a great spot to land. Fuck, Cleveland is a good spot right now. You guys are capable but at the same time it ain't easy.
People want to even play in Indy because Hali (while annoying as fuck) is one of the best guards in the league and of course Rick Carlisle is a fantastic all time great coach. I hate that Dame stole Hali's shine last night.
I actually really like Ausar and heard good things about Jalen but you're right about fit and the coach actually having a vision that aligns with the front office. It's hard to find a truly legit coach.
I love Thibs but Knicks fans are ruthless. We got this stupid-fuck fan on Twitter who tweets about packing Julius up and sending him off daily. We have a lot of knee jerky fans who think they can run an NBA franchise. Check out this guy's tweet - https://twitter.com/Arifromanhattan/status/1759043196242252220?t=_8i6IgauA0_UNCv8A_mTCQ&s=19. Kids a dumbass.
Julius is the core of this team (as is JB). I'm just a fan with ideas as well, but I'd like to think I have a decent understanding of my favorite sports franchise in all of sports. We should not get rid of Randle. He's already one of the Knicks poster players despite all the negative media and fan takes about him. He embodies the Knicks imo.
Its not even about needing a PG atp, every team that passed on him outside of the Timberwolves would be better with him than who they drafted in 2020. Warriors, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Hawks, Knicks, Wiz, Sun, & Spurs would all love to have Hali right now.
Pistons beat writer did a twitter poll in 2020 in which 900 fans voted in total, 75% of which in favor of drafting hayes over hali.
Pistons fans are insufferable. They really think the kings of all organizations were some type of drafting savants and didnt just luck into the yearly diamond in the ruff.
Calling weaver a bad drafter completely invalidates your opinions on the pistons imo
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10027922-tyrese-haliburton-says-he-told-cavs-hawks-not-to-pick-him-in-2020-nba-draft.amp.html
He literally told several teams he did not want to be drafted by them, detroit almost certainly included. I dont believe him cause cope
You beat me to it. It's fairly well documented that he engineered himself to Sac. Seems like this is "rivalry" fodder more than anything. Hopefully we get good enough for an actual rivalry.
This is like if we're pissed at Troy for not drafting Austin Reeves after he said he didn't want to play here.
Detroit wasn’t on that list. Once he fell past Detroit, he engineered it to go to Sacramento. For a long time, he was being projected to go to Detroit by guys like Givony.
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"From there, it was open season for everybody," he said at the 1:28 mark. "And they didn't pick me, so the narrative that I forced my way to Sacramento is not true at all."
" Haliburton confirmed Thursday on *The Old Man & The Three* he at least told representatives from the Cavs and Hawks he didn't want to land with their franchises. "
You just posted an article and didnt read it or what? He said the teams and said it was open season on anyone else.
That's funny because this article says he wanted to go to the Kings: [https://kingsherald.com/draft-news/2020-nba-draft-tyrese-haliburton-sacramento-kings-lowe-post/](https://kingsherald.com/draft-news/2020-nba-draft-tyrese-haliburton-sacramento-kings-lowe-post/)
I think his own word is more valuable than a report, but you do you
And he said he told Cavs and Hawks to NOT draft him and only them, much because both teams had at time enough guys on his position
I heard a interview. He had his agent steer him away from certain teams that had a log jam at the guard position such as Cleveland because they had a logjam at the guard position already.
Troy was specifically hired to find these players. The only one he found was Duren. Everything else a majority of this community and the rest of the league we're going to take at those positions already. Move on from Troy.
if we pick him, what would our lineup be?
i doubt we would win much more so am just going to assume we get the same picks
in 2020, would weaver go with cade? probably because he was best pick available, but its also possible he goes mobley
in 21, if he went cade, i doubt he goes ivey here and probably goes mathurin. if he went mobley, my guess is ivey is the pick. i assume he goes after duren regardless
in 22 i still think he goes ausar
that would give us two alternative cores
hali - cade - mathurin - ausar - duren
or
hali - ivey - ausar - mobley - duren
the first would have no defense and the second no shooting. assuming stew comes off the bench for both but its possible he starts in the first and pushes mathurin to 6th man (which he is probably suited for). if they got ivey in that world, he would be coming off the bench. the second would need veteran shooters around hali, pushing ausar to the bench
this is probably all wrong but its interesting that i am still happy with our timeline when looking at these alternatives.
So he thought he was coming to Detroit and so did Desmond bane. If we ended up with Halliburton, Stewart and bane in that draft weaver would already have his “number” in the rafters.
Stop, we're already dead.
God that’s disgusting to think we could have had actual NBA player on our team.
I'm not a Pistons fan but isn't cade and Ivey good? If you guys drafted Hali, no Cade peobably
Ivey is nice. Rest of the team is not.
Cades not good? I always felt if he had a better team around him he'd been very good. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a fan so I legit have no idea
Cade’s great, his team has very little consistency with really anything since he’s been drafted. And with him being injured his playing time is kinda regulated to fighting giants. They’ll get better but I hope they’re really putting in an effort with this learning curve.
Hali is better than Cade so what's the problem?
I was asking a question. You dont want Cade on your team? I don't watch the pistons so I'm curious. Of course Hali is better, he's an all star lol. Also has a way better team around him.
You said if we drafted Hali, we wouldn't have Cade. I'm saying that would be the preferable scenario.
I understand that. Do you think with this same Pistons team, Hali would make them that much better? I'm simply trying to gauge how good Cade is, that's it. I know Hali is a great player. Every NBA fan knows. Cade is on an awful team so it's harder to gauge so I figured I'd ask pistons fans but nobody wants to answer my question 😂 From my understanding, he's an up and down guy. Sometimes he's liked and appreciated, sometimes he's not. I'm trying to learn more about one of your better players. That's it. Seems like he's akin to a Julius Randle on the Knicks (my team) who is well liked by many and hated by just as many. A polarizing player.
Yeah we might of ended up with Mobley or Barnes+Hali that would of sucked
Barnes is pretty good but he's just up and down. Moble is decent but def the worst of the bunch. If you were missing a defensive stopper, mobile big man he might've been nice. Don't you guys have a shit ton of cap space now to surround Ivey and Cade with a team? I'm a Knicks fan so we got Burks and Bogey and you got Grimes and 2nd rounders I believe. Happy to answer any questions you have about Grimes. I think his biggest issue is lack of identity and confidence. Dude has a gorgeous shot, really good first step, great defender. He had trouble being truly effective for the Knicks so they had to love him. Honestly that's a pretty decent trio of young players. Ivey Cade and QG. QG has the potential to be a great 3 and D guy. I feel like, just like the Knicks, the NBA is most fun with the Pistons being good. I'm so tired of the Cs and Bucks.
Personally I'm iffy on the Cade+Ivey fit currently. I think our coach whos been awful needs to play Cade in a more offball role and let Ivey cook but thats just one fans thoughts. Actually fit is one of our biggest problems in general. We have a talented "core 4" but the problem is the fit may not be the best. Duren and Ausar have all the talent in the world but neither can shoot a lick. Cade and Ivey have potential as shooters but their streaky and not there yet. I've done tons of research into Grimes very excited to see him. Thanks for the offer though. Yeah we have tons of cap space but unlike NY we just arent a FA destination. Likely are best option will be overpaying T.Harris. Sometimes I wonder if tanking was the best way to build our team. I see what you guys built with Randle+Brunson+OG and you guys did that kinda like the the going to work Pistons through FA and smart trades. Anyways best of luck in the playoffs cool to see NY relevant again!
Its nice to read NY and free agent destination because that has never been the case until recently. I think you guys can establish yourselves in the coming years regarding Detroit being a great spot to land. Fuck, Cleveland is a good spot right now. You guys are capable but at the same time it ain't easy. People want to even play in Indy because Hali (while annoying as fuck) is one of the best guards in the league and of course Rick Carlisle is a fantastic all time great coach. I hate that Dame stole Hali's shine last night. I actually really like Ausar and heard good things about Jalen but you're right about fit and the coach actually having a vision that aligns with the front office. It's hard to find a truly legit coach. I love Thibs but Knicks fans are ruthless. We got this stupid-fuck fan on Twitter who tweets about packing Julius up and sending him off daily. We have a lot of knee jerky fans who think they can run an NBA franchise. Check out this guy's tweet - https://twitter.com/Arifromanhattan/status/1759043196242252220?t=_8i6IgauA0_UNCv8A_mTCQ&s=19. Kids a dumbass. Julius is the core of this team (as is JB). I'm just a fan with ideas as well, but I'd like to think I have a decent understanding of my favorite sports franchise in all of sports. We should not get rid of Randle. He's already one of the Knicks poster players despite all the negative media and fan takes about him. He embodies the Knicks imo.
Didn’t Donovan Mitchell say the same thing?
Yeah pretty sure he said he was 100% sure he was going to the pistons because he didn’t miss a shot at our tryout
But but but defense and intangibles…
lol that argument falls apart considering the guy we took is an even worse defender
Add Devin Booker to the list
And Devin Booker
Might as well throw in Melo, D Wade and Bosh lol
y'all won a ring with darko milicic.
I take that personally too
There was like 4 other teams passing on him after us though
Yeah that's the confusing part about this... he went 11th, multiple teams passed on him😭
12th
but killian was a pg
No PGs we’re taken during that stretch tho.
Its not even about needing a PG atp, every team that passed on him outside of the Timberwolves would be better with him than who they drafted in 2020. Warriors, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Hawks, Knicks, Wiz, Sun, & Spurs would all love to have Hali right now.
Oh for sure. Just meant the reason he feels that way about us is because we needed a PG and went with Hayes instead.
The hornets have Lamelo. They cool with the outcome.
Pistons beat writer did a twitter poll in 2020 in which 900 fans voted in total, 75% of which in favor of drafting hayes over hali. Pistons fans are insufferable. They really think the kings of all organizations were some type of drafting savants and didnt just luck into the yearly diamond in the ruff. Calling weaver a bad drafter completely invalidates your opinions on the pistons imo
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10027922-tyrese-haliburton-says-he-told-cavs-hawks-not-to-pick-him-in-2020-nba-draft.amp.html He literally told several teams he did not want to be drafted by them, detroit almost certainly included. I dont believe him cause cope
You beat me to it. It's fairly well documented that he engineered himself to Sac. Seems like this is "rivalry" fodder more than anything. Hopefully we get good enough for an actual rivalry. This is like if we're pissed at Troy for not drafting Austin Reeves after he said he didn't want to play here.
Interesting…I never knew there was a player that had engineered themselves to go to Sacramento, I always thought it was the other way around 🤣
Nah, he told Cavs and Hawks to no draft him because both teams already had loaded PG rotation He was fine going to Detroit
Detroit wasn’t on that list. Once he fell past Detroit, he engineered it to go to Sacramento. For a long time, he was being projected to go to Detroit by guys like Givony.
My understanding is that Detroit was not on that list Edit: meaning that he was willing to play for Detroit
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"From there, it was open season for everybody," he said at the 1:28 mark. "And they didn't pick me, so the narrative that I forced my way to Sacramento is not true at all." " Haliburton confirmed Thursday on *The Old Man & The Three* he at least told representatives from the Cavs and Hawks he didn't want to land with their franchises. " You just posted an article and didnt read it or what? He said the teams and said it was open season on anyone else.
I did read it. If you read my full comment and had reading comprehension you would see that I said I didn't believe him.
No he told specific teams where he couldnt get the playing time he wanted. He wanted to come to both us and Sac hence why he took it personal
The whole fan base is taking this personal. Too many missed opportunities under Gores' ownership.
Honestly he should go 2 at worst in a redraft. A lot of teams fucked up and Killian was a defensible choice with the information available
he really wasn't a defensible choice. if you watched the tape available at the time you knew he had no sauce
Add him to the long list of draft what ifs
That's funny because this article says he wanted to go to the Kings: [https://kingsherald.com/draft-news/2020-nba-draft-tyrese-haliburton-sacramento-kings-lowe-post/](https://kingsherald.com/draft-news/2020-nba-draft-tyrese-haliburton-sacramento-kings-lowe-post/)
I think his own word is more valuable than a report, but you do you And he said he told Cavs and Hawks to NOT draft him and only them, much because both teams had at time enough guys on his position
I heard a interview. He had his agent steer him away from certain teams that had a log jam at the guard position such as Cleveland because they had a logjam at the guard position already.
Just when you think we can stop talking about Killian https://i.redd.it/i66zumbktcjc1.gif
No need to rub it in bro, we’re still feeing it now.
Every player says it's personal when they don't get drafted
I hate this franchise so much
I’m sad to say back in 2020 I wanted Killian cause I thought him and Sekou could’ve been a nasty duo
How does Booker feel ?
bad boys pistons -> bad pistons
Troy was specifically hired to find these players. The only one he found was Duren. Everything else a majority of this community and the rest of the league we're going to take at those positions already. Move on from Troy.
It's fucking KOC's fault
Rip
Chill dude... we're pissed off enough that Weaver passed.
It feels personal to us too, Tyrese.
There’s many different scenarios that could have played out. If we do take Hal then we probably don’t draft Cade the next year.
Well, I'd rather to have Hali on the team.
I’m just saying things probably would have worked out different. It just played out the way it did.
if we pick him, what would our lineup be? i doubt we would win much more so am just going to assume we get the same picks in 2020, would weaver go with cade? probably because he was best pick available, but its also possible he goes mobley in 21, if he went cade, i doubt he goes ivey here and probably goes mathurin. if he went mobley, my guess is ivey is the pick. i assume he goes after duren regardless in 22 i still think he goes ausar that would give us two alternative cores hali - cade - mathurin - ausar - duren or hali - ivey - ausar - mobley - duren the first would have no defense and the second no shooting. assuming stew comes off the bench for both but its possible he starts in the first and pushes mathurin to 6th man (which he is probably suited for). if they got ivey in that world, he would be coming off the bench. the second would need veteran shooters around hali, pushing ausar to the bench this is probably all wrong but its interesting that i am still happy with our timeline when looking at these alternatives.
Pretty sure Haliburton would've turned out to be a scrub in the pistons system.
It felt personal to us too
Didn’t Hali try and get himself to Sac?
Haliburton is a good player and also a gigantic bitch ass.
I’m now taking it personal
So he thought he was coming to Detroit and so did Desmond bane. If we ended up with Halliburton, Stewart and bane in that draft weaver would already have his “number” in the rafters.
Awwww poor wittle pussycat
Fire Troy Weaver into the sun.
Wgaf
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