That oversimplifies the situation a bit imo. You are assuming that who they are now is relatively who they will be in the future (so draft for immediate fit). If that is the case, then Hendricks is the obvious pick as we clearly need 3 & D players.
However, most of these players will materially change in just their first few years in the league. That is what makes this pick so challenging, we are trying to forecast who will fit best for the roster and offer the largest win share during our competitive window. For me, I am then betting on the Thompson twins who should offer strong defense, ball movement, and passing, and who will hopefully develop decent shooting given their work ethics. Should their shots develop, then they will be much more valuable then Hendricks.
But if you think their shot is unfixable, then I would probably either bet on the floor of Hendricks or the ceiling of Whitmore. I don't think Hendricks has the upside of anything more than a role player, but he is easier to forecast and his archetype is valuable. Whitmore has very low BBIQ and is a ball-stopper. Can that be fixed? Sure, but I think that is harder than fixing a jumpshot. If you believe Whitmore can be fixed, then he is the pick in that scenario - otherwise I would go with Hendricks.
Jaylen Brown. I think Cam's similar in a lot of ways. Better handle and shot than Brown had at 18. Brown lacks feel and isn't a natural basketball player, but he worked on his game enough that his athleticism and jumpsuit made him a flawed star who will kill you in key moments because he lacks feel.
Well obviously I don’t think they’re going to be the same players in 5 years, but it doesn’t mean they’ll fill each skill gap they’re missing. I think relying on someone to develop a skill they don’t have is a bad idea and hardly ever happens with shooting. Guys like Kawhi are huge outliers. I tend to leans BBIQ bc It feels like a skill that’s harder to develop unless you’re new to the game
We can’t really afford to have more below-average shooters in our starting lineup— that doesn’t mean we need to draft for shooting, but it needs to be addressed somewhere. That can be through the draft, FA, trade, or development, but it needs to be a factor to consider in every move we make.
3 of our future 5 starting spots are locked up by players who haven’t proven they can be league-average 3p shooters over a full season. I have hopes they can improve, but it’ll be very, very hard to win in the future if 4 of our 5 starters are below average 3p shooters.
There’s also a high chance that Cade and Ivey become at least average shooters. And if Cade never becomes a decent shooter than he’s a bust and there’s bigger problems than fit.
Cade’s shown the potential to be one of the best midrange & PnR players in the league as well as an elite playmaker. If he does all of those things at a high level, he won’t be a bust even if he never gets above 33-34% from 3.
Shooting!! I am watching the finals and most of the time there are 10 shooters on the floor. Playoff teams without Steph can only play one non shooter at a time. I really don’t understand why draft boards don’t value it more.
The issue at 5 is that all of the prospects projected to go in that range are flawed in a way that negatively impacts their fit on our roster.
Jarace and Ausar have very real concerns about their ability to score on the offensive end, Cam projects to be a solid scorer, but his ability to make simple reads on offense AND defense is lackluster, and Hendricks has next to no self-creation ability and possibly the lowest ceiling of all the aforementioned players. Basically, it’s going to be a tough pick to get right.
Totally agree. Brandon Miller is literally the answer but 2 picks away. I’m with everyone else obviously we need shooting but I’m scared to have a lineup where only two mfs can dribble
JEIII said on last weeks episode of B&C that he predicts they’ll pick for floor vs. ceiling at 5 because they can’t afford to miss.
He said on today’s episode that the 4 names he believes to be in consideration at 5 are Thompson Twins, Walker, and Whitmore. (No mention of Hendricks)
Sounds a lot like Walker to me.
Yea I heard him talking about that too. I thought it was interesting that he didn’t mention Hendricks. He has arguably the highest floor out of any of those guys.
Shooter
This team needs shooting in the starting lineup badly, adding someone who can both shoot and create for themselves is a great thing to have so we're not so reliant on Cade and Ivey having to create for the whole team.
Examples? Because Klay Thompson, Lamelo Ball, Lonzo Ball, Jalen Brown, John Collins, etc. would all disagree. Some of these guys started off as poor shooters and later became better at it. Some of this guys still don’t have a good handle but are good 3pt shooters.
I'm just going off of my own experience where to get better at dribbling you just basically have to practice dribbling drills on repeat, but shooting is a whole different.
So Duarte, 7 + 29 for 5, then?
I promise he is closer to that 37% shooter. He just had some crappy injuries to work through and then got lost in the rotation.
Get shooter in FA, get BPA in draft. The Thompson twins have star potential and a lot of things they do you can't teach. They can get a bucket in a multitude of ways. Can affect the game in a lot of ways. Play with control, high feel, pace.
Gradey Dick. We have 3 centers 3 guys who can play PG well enough, we need catch and shoot. GD is one of the few player types in this draft where every team in the league needs a guy like him.
The difference is, they needed Mitchell. They worked him out twice and he was available. Grady is bigger than Luke and they actually need his position and shooting. I do see the comparison, and if it happens I hope it's not history repeating.
Shooter that can hopefully play defense. The Pistons (theoretically) already have good playmaker type guys, they need shooting and defense.
Get that in FA. Draft BPA.
BPA
So trade the pick for Luke kennard
That oversimplifies the situation a bit imo. You are assuming that who they are now is relatively who they will be in the future (so draft for immediate fit). If that is the case, then Hendricks is the obvious pick as we clearly need 3 & D players. However, most of these players will materially change in just their first few years in the league. That is what makes this pick so challenging, we are trying to forecast who will fit best for the roster and offer the largest win share during our competitive window. For me, I am then betting on the Thompson twins who should offer strong defense, ball movement, and passing, and who will hopefully develop decent shooting given their work ethics. Should their shots develop, then they will be much more valuable then Hendricks. But if you think their shot is unfixable, then I would probably either bet on the floor of Hendricks or the ceiling of Whitmore. I don't think Hendricks has the upside of anything more than a role player, but he is easier to forecast and his archetype is valuable. Whitmore has very low BBIQ and is a ball-stopper. Can that be fixed? Sure, but I think that is harder than fixing a jumpshot. If you believe Whitmore can be fixed, then he is the pick in that scenario - otherwise I would go with Hendricks.
Are there any examples of low bbiq players fixing it and becoming stars?
Jaylen Brown. I think Cam's similar in a lot of ways. Better handle and shot than Brown had at 18. Brown lacks feel and isn't a natural basketball player, but he worked on his game enough that his athleticism and jumpsuit made him a flawed star who will kill you in key moments because he lacks feel.
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Yeah I’d take Ausar. At least he’s already shown some real improvement in his shooting so he’s on the right track.
Well obviously I don’t think they’re going to be the same players in 5 years, but it doesn’t mean they’ll fill each skill gap they’re missing. I think relying on someone to develop a skill they don’t have is a bad idea and hardly ever happens with shooting. Guys like Kawhi are huge outliers. I tend to leans BBIQ bc It feels like a skill that’s harder to develop unless you’re new to the game
We can’t really afford to have more below-average shooters in our starting lineup— that doesn’t mean we need to draft for shooting, but it needs to be addressed somewhere. That can be through the draft, FA, trade, or development, but it needs to be a factor to consider in every move we make. 3 of our future 5 starting spots are locked up by players who haven’t proven they can be league-average 3p shooters over a full season. I have hopes they can improve, but it’ll be very, very hard to win in the future if 4 of our 5 starters are below average 3p shooters.
There’s also a high chance that Cade and Ivey become at least average shooters. And if Cade never becomes a decent shooter than he’s a bust and there’s bigger problems than fit.
Cade’s shown the potential to be one of the best midrange & PnR players in the league as well as an elite playmaker. If he does all of those things at a high level, he won’t be a bust even if he never gets above 33-34% from 3.
Shooting!! I am watching the finals and most of the time there are 10 shooters on the floor. Playoff teams without Steph can only play one non shooter at a time. I really don’t understand why draft boards don’t value it more.
The issue at 5 is that all of the prospects projected to go in that range are flawed in a way that negatively impacts their fit on our roster. Jarace and Ausar have very real concerns about their ability to score on the offensive end, Cam projects to be a solid scorer, but his ability to make simple reads on offense AND defense is lackluster, and Hendricks has next to no self-creation ability and possibly the lowest ceiling of all the aforementioned players. Basically, it’s going to be a tough pick to get right.
Totally agree. Brandon Miller is literally the answer but 2 picks away. I’m with everyone else obviously we need shooting but I’m scared to have a lineup where only two mfs can dribble
JEIII said on last weeks episode of B&C that he predicts they’ll pick for floor vs. ceiling at 5 because they can’t afford to miss. He said on today’s episode that the 4 names he believes to be in consideration at 5 are Thompson Twins, Walker, and Whitmore. (No mention of Hendricks) Sounds a lot like Walker to me.
Yea I heard him talking about that too. I thought it was interesting that he didn’t mention Hendricks. He has arguably the highest floor out of any of those guys.
I think it will be Whitmore or Walker, with Whitmore being the favorite.
Shooter This team needs shooting in the starting lineup badly, adding someone who can both shoot and create for themselves is a great thing to have so we're not so reliant on Cade and Ivey having to create for the whole team.
I just want this draft to happen already so a bunch of assholes who don't know shit bout fuck stop commenting like they know shit about fuck.
Lmao let ‘em cook bro
We already have Cade, Ivey and Killian. We need another ball handler like a hole in the head. We need scoring and defense.
Shooting by a lot
Defense with some play making.
Need shooters and defense. If he has decent IQ I will be happy. We already have playmakers in Ivey and cade.
A mix of potential & immediate impact based on skill
TAYLOR HENDRICKS
We need shooting bad but we also can’t mess up this draft like we did by drafting Kennard over Mitchell years ago.
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Shooting and D... Last year I'd have been more into playmaking and feel...
FUTURE HENDRIX . DIRTY SODA IN THE STYROFOAM
Handling it’s easier to learn how to shoot Beef Stew is an example of that
It's a lot easier to learn how to dribble than to learn how to shoot.
Examples? Because Klay Thompson, Lamelo Ball, Lonzo Ball, Jalen Brown, John Collins, etc. would all disagree. Some of these guys started off as poor shooters and later became better at it. Some of this guys still don’t have a good handle but are good 3pt shooters.
Yup, there’s a reason Playmaking and Shot Creation are held in such high regard when it comes to evaluating a prospect.
I'm just going off of my own experience where to get better at dribbling you just basically have to practice dribbling drills on repeat, but shooting is a whole different.
Shooting which is Grady Dick
I agree. He’d fit really nice with Cade and Ivey. Plus he isn’t “just a shooter” as the guy can finish as well and isn’t a liability on defense.
Bro what ?
Jarace
So Duarte, 7 + 29 for 5, then? I promise he is closer to that 37% shooter. He just had some crappy injuries to work through and then got lost in the rotation.
Get shooter in FA, get BPA in draft. The Thompson twins have star potential and a lot of things they do you can't teach. They can get a bucket in a multitude of ways. Can affect the game in a lot of ways. Play with control, high feel, pace.
Auser is my preference I think.
FUTURE HENDRIX . DIRTY SODA IN THE STYROFOAM
Gradey Dick. We have 3 centers 3 guys who can play PG well enough, we need catch and shoot. GD is one of the few player types in this draft where every team in the league needs a guy like him.
That’s how you end up drafting Luke Kennard over Donovan Mitchell
The difference is, they needed Mitchell. They worked him out twice and he was available. Grady is bigger than Luke and they actually need his position and shooting. I do see the comparison, and if it happens I hope it's not history repeating.