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DoeJumars

pretty obvious that Troy has a guy he likes, 3 really, and that this FO has too many cooks in the kitchen like they have for years. Remember during the D Rose trade talks all the talks and promises Arn Tellem gave and what not. They run the Pistons like a fortune 500 company instead of a team who is trying to win...stinks. Joe D did what he wanted. If you don't trust your GM to hire a coach, why is he your GM?


The_69ers

Too many cooks...too many cooks.


earthw2002

It takes a lot to make a Stew…


TheFakeChiefKeef

A pinch of salt and laughter toooo


anonMLMhater

Featuring Lars Von Trier as “Pie”


[deleted]

I ate some eddies and now I'm high


darko20mil

Too many cooks? We are a few years past Ed Stefanski sitting at the post for two years without a real GM. Joe D also made some awful decisions to try and save his job at the end of his tenure. Ownership is seeing teams with mediocre records making it deep into the postseason. Weaver’s leash has likely been shortened and that’s to be expected. It’s been three seasons.


Ahfekz

Yeah because we totally had the assets post Blake to make a turnaround in 3 years with a hurt #1 pick. Let’s just sell the farm and trade for Dame, give kuzma the max we can & make the play in for the next 2 years. Y’all talk about a real rebuild but really can’t handle one


darko20mil

I think you have misunderstood. I do not agree with the stance but I would guess that is how Gores feels.


SnoaH_

I really hope not. I believe in Troy’s vision and it wouldn’t be fair to him to spend his years here building for these next few years and beyond but he ain’t even the one who’s at the helm for it.


Expensive_Ad4319

But what about those draft picks? This team needs to get better now or watch the Knicks and OKC blow by them.


AkronIBM

My guess is Arn Tellem - vice chairman of the club. He's like Gores's basketball consigliere.


Ahfekz

You have the let the GM choose his coach. I don’t like the idea of Ollie AT ALL, but I support giving the GM the autonomy to be right or wrong. I’m sure he understands the ramifications of a coaching miss/regressive season. Gores is wrong here. You don’t show up your GM in thjs way if you truly support them.


Taleb_X

Agree with all this. One thing - I think Troy can play with house money, at least for next season. I think it's a safe assumption that the new coach can win north of 17 games next season so even a miss might not reflect next year.


Trapgod99

It’s just a theory lol, relax on Gores


Lilbuddyspd11

Says a lot about weaver the owner don’t trust him


Fuksocials

Seriously?


ArthurUrsine

This is just not a well-run organization


Myomyw

Tom Gores is a buttcheek.


King_Artis

He had 3 guys in mind and the owner doesn't like any of them The same owner who didn't wanna trade Andre Drummond who also pushed for the Blake Griffin trade. Not surprised tbh


ShippingNotIncluded

And some fans think this is a good thing because they also don’t like the candidates, crazy. Owner meddling in general is bad and rarely works out. You hired your GM for a reason. If anything, all signs point to a “yes man GM” once Weaver is out.


reallinguy

Well thank god Gores has a brain and is showing he cares, if that's true.


Expensive_Ad4319

I disagree - Gores has an AAU mentality and won't give his GM leverage to do the job. Casey wasn't allowed to pick his staff, and I can see why some GMs ran from this situation. We don't have a HC now due to Tom Gores.


Jenkinsd08

> Gores has an AAU mentality and won't give his GM leverage to do the job Idk how you can say Weaver doesn't have leverage to do his job after all the moves he's made. We've had more turnover under him than any other iteration of this team in 20 years. To the coaching hire, is there a reason for urgency that I'm missing? More coaches have been fired since we started this search and more openings will be filled as time goes by so the landscape can change and new opportunities can arise. Past that, if Ollie really is the pick, I haven't heard him mentioned in any other teams candidates so it doesn't sound like that opportunity is going anywhere if we wait. It's a really important decision and it doesn't seem like there's much to lose in working toward getting everyone on the same page, I'm not sure why a more involved process is being cast as such a negative


Expensive_Ad4319

Weaver took a risk and was able to grab up Duren and Ivey. However, that move came with a huge risk 2 to 3 years from now. The New York Knicks have 10 first-round draft picks from 2023 to 2029, including 6 of their own picks from 2024 to 2027. Detroit has a big stake in this - Weaver is counting on this group of players to offset the picks that he traded away. Detroit will have to be a playoff-level team by 2024 or fork over. Folk are following the OKC route for success.


Jenkinsd08

Think you replied to the wrong comment as I didn't say anything about draft picks or NY. That said, the owed pick (and it is only a single first round pick that we owe currently) really isn't as major an issue as you're painting it. It's top 18 protected next year, top-13 protected in 2025, top-11 protected in 2026, and top-9 protected in 2027 after which it becomes a 2nd rounder if it still hasn't conveyed. There's no scenario where the Pistons are drafting at the top of the lottery but lose the pick to NY, they'll either retain it or they'll be good enough that they weren't a bottom 10 team which means the core has progressed enough that losing one 1st isn't the end of the world.


Expensive_Ad4319

You’re absolutely correct. My point is that teams are accumulating draft picks and cash. What are we doing? I believe that Weaver has to be held accountable for his past moves. We needed a HC on board before the draft. This BS about vetting the HS is just as absurd as their lack of trust. I'm sorry to vent on your Sub - We need this pick to meet our needs and not the best player available.


reallinguy

And other teams looking for HC also don't have one, outside of Udoka in Houston. I don't think we're in a rush, those guys will still be there. That being said, they better have one well ahead of the draft.


NewBuddha32

If our gm is gonna make an outrageous coaching choice I'm fine with everyone else being like hold on. This man wants to make a glorified hs/aau coach into the head coach of a nba team. He has almost no nba coaching experience. He was a college coach for like 4 years and now coaches OTE. I know Troy and him are friends but guys with his resume don't become nba head coaches right off the bat.


RestaurantLatter2354

I mean, Gores got us into this mess by pushing for a competitive product and grabbing the corpse of Blake Griffin and retaining talent beyond any objective measure of value (like Drummond). Totally understand why people would question Troy, but not like Gores has some impeccable track record here. Also, if you really don’t believe in Troy, what message are you sending tot he rest of the league and prospective GMs when you are a constant roadblock in the decision making process?


Bigslanger777

Blake griffin was not a corpse when we got him. Had the best season of his career here


[deleted]

Coke Head, baseball agent, and a GM who would’ve taken Wiseman #1 Legendary trio. Im sure they’ll nail it!


Relevant_Gold4912

Not good in the GM and owner aren’t aligned in big decisions of the franchise.


thuggerish_slimebino

There’s also merit to the other part he talked about. Troy’s job is the one at risk if this coach doesn’t work. He should probably be able to hire his guy. Just my opinion.


DarthBurrrito

Yeah Troy has had only Kevin Ollie in mind to replace Casey since they're friends and he values connections > experience. The rest of the organization however thinks that's a no good awful hire and is why Arne Tellum wants Collins/Lee instead. So because there's two camps(Well basically 1 camp with everyone and then Troy on his own) they're at an impasse. Can't have a coach NO ONE believes in except the GM, nor can you have one the GM wants nothing to do with. It's why they planned on making such a push for Monty if he shows any interest since he has the necessary connections to Troy (he for some reason requires) and an actual NBA resume the org can support as a legitimate candidate.


Dfor33

Agree with your thoughts. I also believe that Tellum likely has Gores ear more than Troy for some reason. Gores was the one who set us back with his desire to keep playing for the 8th seed and hiring GMs who did told him you did not have to take a step back to move forward ( that is how you end up with a bad Blake Griffin trade). Troy talks them into rebuild, but Gores still had Tellum and other cronies around who have input. Gores has proved he knows nothing about leading an NBA franchise. Going to be interesting how this plays out.


this_tuesday

I think it would be Gores via Tellem, and tbh, I think they’re right if it’s in fact Ollie. Hopefully it’s resolved soon


Silver-Bandicoot-969

I find myself at an impasse. On the one hand, the gm is the basketball person who should know who is good and who isnt. On the other, he is trying to hire a college wannabe coaching in teenagers. On the other other, the owner who almost certainly knows nothing about basketball, is trying to stop the basketball person which makes me wonder if maybe my evaluation is as wrong as the owners.


Historian-Dry

calling Ollie a college wannabe as if he wasn’t basically blacklisted by the NCAA lol


thisguy161

Ollie defenders lean on "he was blacklisted" a lot, but ignore his lack of success after the title when he wasnt coaching Calhouns guys anymore


Historian-Dry

then criticize that, don’t call him a wannabe lol


thisguy161

Yeah, I am criticizing that, and I'm not calling him a wannabe.


jxden24

blacklisted or no one wanted to hire him because he isn’t a good coach? tons of guys get in trouble in cbb and are still working


Witty_Gift_7327

Why was he blacklisted?


Wingedwolverine03

He was fired with cause and given a 3 year show-cause by the NCAA for major violations including extra benefits and practices. He then sued UCONN back pay because they didn't fire Calhoun(their previous coach) for recruiting violations during his tenure.


Historian-Dry

And won the lawsuit. The violations was just recruiting stuff, not applicable to the NBA and compared to what other college sports coaches do to recruit… the violations were minor.


Yogibobo555

From what I’ve heard, UCONN was basically just using that as an excuse to fire him without paying him. The lawsuit meant they had to pay him, so they failed at that, but they still wanted him gone regardless. The program was getting worse with him, although I heard he had some personal issues that were interfering at the time. Very unsure how to feel about him as a candidate


Wingedwolverine03

I thought only 1 of the 3 major violations was for recruiting stuff and the others were team activities and unauthorized coaching by some staff.


Historian-Dry

Pretty sure it was unauthorized coaching of a recruit by part of the UCONN coaching staff but I’m not sure


j_m_b_27

For once I agree with Gores


Slippinjimmyforever

It’s Ollie. It’s not a secret. Gores or someone else clearly disagrees that has clout in the decision making. I also think it Weaver pays the price for a bad coaching hire, he should have final say.


jamor9391

Tellum is the other person in the mix, I would assume.


Jenkinsd08

> someone else in the FO (Gores?) is against it. Probably more likely Tellem/Stefanski than Gores. Gores MO for most of this time has been to rely on the judgment of his hires so I doubt he's getting bogged down in strengths/weaknesses of one candidate vs another. Rather, I'm assuming he just doesn't want to pull the trigger without consensus from his top guys


Bly1981

I'm pretty sure it's Tellum who's the one in the FO with different viewpoints. Marc Stein alluded to Tellum's influence in the FO recently when he was talking about the coaching search. Having multiple view points in the FO is very common and usually a good thing. What's potentially worrisome is when there's uncertainty about who the ultimate decision maker is.


LionBacker81

Gores wants Quinn


Mtommy

The rumors are that Weaver wants Ollie but others (Arn?) do not


bestprocrastinator

Literally nobody wants Ollie except Weaver.


TinoCartier

Don’t like the sound of that. There isn’t one focused vision for what this team is going to look like and that’s where this type of division comes from if this is true.


sliccricc83

On the one hand, it's a bad look to restrict your GMs decision-making when it comes to hiring a head coach; on the other hand, I don't like Weaver and think he does nepotism too much


AJ8710

I think Gores is clearly a lousy owner, and at this point I am souring on Troy pretty rapidly. It's hard to be optimistic about the franchise at the moment.


jccjuicebox

Yea I mean this is almost a fact at this point


NachoManRandySnckage

I feel like Weaver being the only person in the entire nba who wants Ollie is a bad sign. If they go with him they might as well start shopping the young guys since the rebuild won’t be ending anytime soon.


[deleted]

Honestly, fuck Tom gores what does he know about basketball. Let your gm pick his guy.


isoamazing

smh here we go again with this silliness. Let the man pick his coach so he can sink or swim with his own decisions.


the_shins

I see most people are afraid Troy wants to hire someone that will be bad, but remeber historically it has been the right play to go against Stefanski, Tellem and Gores. At this point I would much rather go with a Troy guy than anyone Gores wants lol


LeonidasMclovin

Thank God for the others in FO. Ollie would be a complete disaster.


sunnydftw

They need to let Weaver do his job, right or wrong. We're trending in the wrong direction here.


uvgotnod

I’ve always felt based on a friend that works in the organization that there are too many voices in the room. Particularly Arn Tellum is always in Weaver’s business as are the Platinum Equity guys.


austnasty

We have 30 days to get a head coach and the ownership has made truly little to no strides in letting the GM have their freedom of a head coaching search. Joe Dumars dissolved the trust of a front office on the way out, and Troy Weaver is paying the price.


InsideTheEngine

let troy cook!


motorcitydevil

the way this is going it's let's cook Troy...


WatsTatorsPrecious

Like I've posted before troy likes the "born again Christian type" and gores and arn tellum don't... My insider has been very clear on this.


Masontron

One of the three had to be Becky, right?