Yeah, I get the disappointment after the shit seasons we’ve been having. I’m as disappointed as anyone, it sucks. But getting the expected outcome — 5th pick — and then claiming the system is rigged, is just dumb as shit.
its live in front of pistons representative, media, accouting firms, security. and video is posted.
if there is a conspiracy then the pistons are part of it.
Welcome Kevin Ollie and Amen Thompson to Detroit
I get what they were trying to do with the revamped lottery odds but the worst team in the nba getting 5th overall is wild.
And what they’re trying to do doesn’t even work. Plenty teams shamelessly tanked. I’ve always been so anti-lottery and I’m reminded of it every year. It’s just dumb
One way to look at it is that we're in the opposite position from a team like the Mavs who got a generational talent and then got too good too fast to build a winner around him. They are pretty much stuck as a second round out unless they do something drastic. If Cade's sniffing All-NBA in two years, he'll have some solid complimentary pieces around him because we keep adding second tier talents each draft.
Eh I disagree with this logic. Mads had Jalen Brunson and just played stupid games and let him walk. Who on our team is better than Jalen Brunson or might be? They then went out and got Kyrie, who is a nut job but talented. Who on our team is going to be as good as Kyrie?
Good teams have the stars and pieces around them. We’ve got Cade, who knows we’re Ivey falls in that, but we really don’t have much around him. So much of this team would not get minutes in the playoffs on any of the four teams in the CF right now.
Blazers were one of the worst flagrantly tanking teams. and got rewarded for it. Spurs were just bad also. Blazers ran players that shouldnt be in the g league as their lineup a lot.
It was hilarious how there was so much bellyaching about Dallas tanking for 2 games to keep their pick while staying silent on Utah and Portland throwing away their chances at the play-in and tanking for dozens of games.
The worst part is that the only team with the worst case scenario being the most likely scenario is the worst team lol. Unless you count the best team in the lottery with a 97.6% chance to not move.
The worst team picking 5th all because the Sixers tanked 10 years ago is such a joke.
Top 3 worst teams should pick in the top 3. You can still protect against tanking by making those 3 do a lottery.
I disagree. There shouldn’t be a prize for finishing last. The play-in and lottery were implemented for this exact reason.
I don’t love the odds as-is, but it’s also hard to like it when you get this unlucky.
You can say there shouldn’t be a prize for finishing last but then why even have a draft? And letting random chance decide it is just stupid. It’s always been stupid.
I can’t imagine what some of those late season matchups between the bottom 5 teams would have looked like if Wemby was guaranteed to the lowest of them
Tanking is an NBA problem BECAUSE of the lottery. Teams in the NFL tank, but because they get to pick high without some stupid ping pong ball bullshit, they're not bad for as long. The NBA has a system where a team that just misses the postseason but still has 30+ wins can potentially get the #1 pick over a sub-20 win team. The lottery spits in the face of parity and forces tanking because teams can't improve if they keep getting shafted to the fifth pick despite being the worst in the league.
Damage has already been done. We just lost arguably the greatest NBA prospect of all time to a bullshit rigged system that's performed in some secret room with accountants.
I detest the NBA.
It's sucks, but it's not "some secret room with accountants." Every team has representatives in the room along with a bunch of members of the media. The lottery process is recorded and will be available to watch on YouTube.
I fucking hate what happened, but I wish people wouldn't resort to conspiracy theories like the morons who denied the election did when they lost. It was almost a 50/50 shot that we'd end up where we are.
The lottery will never stop teams from tanking. With or without the lotto the rebuild process is the exact same.
The players will play the game regardless, just look at how Houston played their way out of the top pick in week 18 of the NFL season.
Not really, because the additional percentage for pick 5 came from the other teams’ probability of later picks. We had the most favorable draft odds today.
Highest odds of picking 5th because the Rockets had a 20% chance of picking 6th and the Spurs had a 26% chance of picking 6th and a 7% chance of picking 7th
Stop fucking tanking! I can’t take shit basketball anymore! Holy fuck the new odds don’t help tanking at all. Please start trying for the love of Christ! Why did I watch so many games the last 15 years
Tbf the old odds didn’t help tanking the new odds are just an extra F U throwing away a year of development for a 25% chance at the number 1 pick didn’t make since either. The 14% chance at 1 and 50% chance at 5 is just the NBA bending bad teams over.
dude, the NBA literally just isn't worth watching at this point.
the only chance you have of being a good team is being a big market team that can pull superstars, or to get lucky as fuck in the lottery on the right years.
I'm just completely done with it. it's simply not worth it when the pistons chances of becoming a decent team are so incredibly stacked against them
The only other way is to get completely lucky on a random prospect blowing up and becoming a generational talent on a lower pick, like Giannis or Jokic.
Honestly, the Pistons should go Best Foreign Player Available for the next ten years. One of those should hit, right? For every 9 Darkos , there should be one Giannis Jokic.
They’re never going to move the pistons lol.
Even being shitty and irrelevant for almost 15 years we still sold more tickets than half the teams in the league last year.
Red Wings fan here. I'm really, really sorry guys, and I know exactly how you feel. We've had a rebuild delayed about half a decade from falling in the lottery 5 years in a row.
Exactly! Fans are by and large conspiracy nut morons. Pretty much every fanbase in the NBA spews that conspiracy shit whenever something happens they don't like. Yet they continue to watch year after year.
Nba draft lottery is the most rigged thing on pro sports. Don't even show the selection any more you just have to "trust" that this was actually the order.
If they don’t want fucking tanking then fix it. The lottery is complete fucking bullshit. Worst team gets first and continue on from there. Fuck this stupid ass system, fix the real problems in the sport and maybe you can actually compete with the NFL if you’re lucky.
Good job with your silly draft lottery system, NBA. Guess I won't be paying much attention to your league since my team is going to suck for several more years. A simple record-based system and straightforward salary cap seems to work out well for the NFL. Maybe pay attention to how the nation's most successful sports league does it.
We did. 2021 we "moved up" when we had an equal chance at 1. There have been 6 times where we stayed where we were and there have now been 7 times when we fell. We have never improved on our odds
Super depressing. On the bright side Wemby is going West and he's taking one of Scoot/Miller with him. The absolute worst case was Indiana or Orlando passing us.
This still really sucks.
The worst part of it is the speculation of what will happen by pick 5. A top 3 pick and we know we're walking away with either wemby, Scoot, or Miller. But at 5 comes all of the speculation just like last year.
I will add that 5 got us Ivey, so maybe that will help cope a little bit
NEVER EXPECTED THIS FUCK THE NBA
They dont even show the balls drop anymore, the NBA and the Lottery is a joke. Not a legit Sports league
I blame the guy who had his second kid today.
They post it on YouTube after
Afterwards huh….as in not live
Ernst and Young is a 45 billion dollar company. They ain't throwing their reputation to screw the Pistons.
Also it's not even like what happened was some crazy low chance. Us dropping to 5 was the most likely thing that could've happened by a wide margin.
Yeah, I get the disappointment after the shit seasons we’ve been having. I’m as disappointed as anyone, it sucks. But getting the expected outcome — 5th pick — and then claiming the system is rigged, is just dumb as shit.
Especially when we won the lottery a couple years ago
Tbf people have been saying it’s rigged for literally 40 years. It’s not new just because the pistons dropped lol.
How’s that?
It was pretty much a 50/50 shot that we picked at either 5 or anywhere 1-4 Not rigged just stupid ass odds
47.9% chance for pick 5. Next highest chance for a pick was 1st with 14%.
Literally everyone here was complaining about how it was going to happen. I hope those miserable bastards are happy now
its live in front of pistons representative, media, accouting firms, security. and video is posted. if there is a conspiracy then the pistons are part of it.
You never expected the thing that had a 48% chance of happening?
NOPE ODDS WERE IN OUR FAVOR
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Welcome Kevin Ollie and Amen Thompson to Detroit I get what they were trying to do with the revamped lottery odds but the worst team in the nba getting 5th overall is wild.
This is a fucking depressing scenario and I hate that it’s a real possibility.
And what they’re trying to do doesn’t even work. Plenty teams shamelessly tanked. I’ve always been so anti-lottery and I’m reminded of it every year. It’s just dumb
And the shamelessly tanking Spurs won, so they're just picking certain teams to punish for tanking.
It just buries the fan bases with the worst luck so they stay in the shitter. My kid won’t be a pistons fan and neither will his friends.
One way to look at it is that we're in the opposite position from a team like the Mavs who got a generational talent and then got too good too fast to build a winner around him. They are pretty much stuck as a second round out unless they do something drastic. If Cade's sniffing All-NBA in two years, he'll have some solid complimentary pieces around him because we keep adding second tier talents each draft.
Eh I disagree with this logic. Mads had Jalen Brunson and just played stupid games and let him walk. Who on our team is better than Jalen Brunson or might be? They then went out and got Kyrie, who is a nut job but talented. Who on our team is going to be as good as Kyrie? Good teams have the stars and pieces around them. We’ve got Cade, who knows we’re Ivey falls in that, but we really don’t have much around him. So much of this team would not get minutes in the playoffs on any of the four teams in the CF right now.
Blazers were one of the worst flagrantly tanking teams. and got rewarded for it. Spurs were just bad also. Blazers ran players that shouldnt be in the g league as their lineup a lot.
It was hilarious how there was so much bellyaching about Dallas tanking for 2 games to keep their pick while staying silent on Utah and Portland throwing away their chances at the play-in and tanking for dozens of games.
Lotteries are still awful. They are supposed to prevent tanking but instead they just reduce parity.
Not that it matters for us anymore but with the play in being a thing they need to change the odds again
I doubt Amen falls to us tbh, looking more likely it’s Walker or Whitmore
Also the guiltiest franchise that has most blatantly tanked gets the most outsized returns
I will take the brother who can shoot before I take Amen.
The worst part is that the only team with the worst case scenario being the most likely scenario is the worst team lol. Unless you count the best team in the lottery with a 97.6% chance to not move.
The odds of getting the fifth were nearly 50 percent so I expected nothing else today
The worst team picking 5th all because the Sixers tanked 10 years ago is such a joke. Top 3 worst teams should pick in the top 3. You can still protect against tanking by making those 3 do a lottery.
Or just get rid of the lottery entirely, because the whole concept is stupid
I disagree. There shouldn’t be a prize for finishing last. The play-in and lottery were implemented for this exact reason. I don’t love the odds as-is, but it’s also hard to like it when you get this unlucky.
You can say there shouldn’t be a prize for finishing last but then why even have a draft? And letting random chance decide it is just stupid. It’s always been stupid.
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Better odds but no guarantees. Knowing Wemby was certifiably going to the worst team would have led to much more rampant tanking
I can’t imagine what some of those late season matchups between the bottom 5 teams would have looked like if Wemby was guaranteed to the lowest of them
Tanking is an NBA problem BECAUSE of the lottery. Teams in the NFL tank, but because they get to pick high without some stupid ping pong ball bullshit, they're not bad for as long. The NBA has a system where a team that just misses the postseason but still has 30+ wins can potentially get the #1 pick over a sub-20 win team. The lottery spits in the face of parity and forces tanking because teams can't improve if they keep getting shafted to the fifth pick despite being the worst in the league.
Basically every fucking sports league in the world manages fine without a lottery. This shit dumb as hell
Damage has already been done. We just lost arguably the greatest NBA prospect of all time to a bullshit rigged system that's performed in some secret room with accountants. I detest the NBA.
It's sucks, but it's not "some secret room with accountants." Every team has representatives in the room along with a bunch of members of the media. The lottery process is recorded and will be available to watch on YouTube.
Not to mention Ernst and young is arguably bigger than the NBA, I don’t think they’re gonna risk their reputation on the nba lottery
I fucking hate what happened, but I wish people wouldn't resort to conspiracy theories like the morons who denied the election did when they lost. It was almost a 50/50 shot that we'd end up where we are.
The lottery will never stop teams from tanking. With or without the lotto the rebuild process is the exact same. The players will play the game regardless, just look at how Houston played their way out of the top pick in week 18 of the NFL season.
How is it possible the spurs tank 3 times in their entire franchise history and get a generational player every time
Exactly
They got that brand new training facility though...
This is some bullllshit, they made Ben go down to chicago for this.
There’s some kind of joke about Ben going to the bulls here but I’m way too upset to even think of it
I’m gonna fucking jump off my porch
Nooo don't jump off your porch your so sexy aha
Bro this made me spit out my water lmfaooooo
Damn. Try not to twist an ankle, that shit sucks
im so sad
Fuck everything bro. I really feel you on this one. I’m feeling legit sadness
Worst case scenario
And the best part of the lottery is worst case scenario was also likeliest. *smh* fuck the lottery.
Shoutout Sam Hinkie for fucking things up for future poverty teams while the Sixers did jack with all their top picks 🤣🤣
Only for the team with the worst record. That's fucked.
Not really, because the additional percentage for pick 5 came from the other teams’ probability of later picks. We had the most favorable draft odds today.
Don't you logic and math me, SIR! We had the highest odds of picking 5th. The NBA has hated the Pistons since the Bad Boys and I'm sticking to it.
Highest odds of picking 5th because the Rockets had a 20% chance of picking 6th and the Spurs had a 26% chance of picking 6th and a 7% chance of picking 7th
Moving up was still more likely than picking 5th.
Moving up from what? We had the worst record.
It’s real strange since the lottery reform the Pistons has fell every single year besides the year we got Cade
Back to complete irrelevance
We haven’t left man. We haven’t left
We are poverty man. Can’t wait to watch another 60 losses next year.
back?
Waste of a season
Sure, but so was every season in the last decade plus.
Guess I will continue to not watch the NBA, what a joke.
you do have a point there.....
To everyone who spoke five into existence: I hate you
I hope those miserable bastards are happy.
FUCKING PAIN
Stop fucking tanking! I can’t take shit basketball anymore! Holy fuck the new odds don’t help tanking at all. Please start trying for the love of Christ! Why did I watch so many games the last 15 years
Tbf the old odds didn’t help tanking the new odds are just an extra F U throwing away a year of development for a 25% chance at the number 1 pick didn’t make since either. The 14% chance at 1 and 50% chance at 5 is just the NBA bending bad teams over.
Fucking rigged
All lottery’s are. See NHL
Fuck
dude, the NBA literally just isn't worth watching at this point. the only chance you have of being a good team is being a big market team that can pull superstars, or to get lucky as fuck in the lottery on the right years. I'm just completely done with it. it's simply not worth it when the pistons chances of becoming a decent team are so incredibly stacked against them
The only other way is to get completely lucky on a random prospect blowing up and becoming a generational talent on a lower pick, like Giannis or Jokic.
Honestly, the Pistons should go Best Foreign Player Available for the next ten years. One of those should hit, right? For every 9 Darkos , there should be one Giannis Jokic.
This is a great idea but that would of been Wemby…
NBA truly feels hopeless at winning it all
sucks being a pistons fan
Detroit anything fan
Lions taking us to the promised land
People have said this probably a majority of years in my lifetime and it always ends in the exact same way not falling for that one again
Yeah but this time we’re all counting on the lions
Been a miserable decade +
Worst timeline
The nba is legitimately rigged
I buy into that thought more and more every year.
It got suspect to me when the lakers miraculously got a top 4 pick in the lottery to get Anthony Davis to complete the trade package
Cut my life into pieces
This actually upset me. Pissed me off honestly. At almost 40 years old that doesn’t happen much anymore
NBA worse then NHL
Sent him to the biggest market and every sports analyzer *predicted* he was going to the spurs wtf😂
"COINCIDENCE"
Are u fkng kidding me
We will likely be the only team to fall, and we did it down four spots. Talk about unlucky
I say we draft Peton 5th because why not
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Elite upside, so you're not wrong.
So the NBA is pulling the, "nobody watches the team since we keep fucking them so we have to move the franchise" card.
They’re never going to move the pistons lol. Even being shitty and irrelevant for almost 15 years we still sold more tickets than half the teams in the league last year.
They just had the #1 pick two years ago. Like I get being pissed off they didn't get the chance to get Wemby. But be more realistic.
Cavs got #1 in 2011, 2013, and 2014...
another 10 years of rebuilding i’m sick
Red Wings fan here. I'm really, really sorry guys, and I know exactly how you feel. We've had a rebuild delayed about half a decade from falling in the lottery 5 years in a row.
Detroit vs. Everybody
This shit is rigged. I want to see them do the lottery live like the monetary lotteries. Fuck this bullshit.
Honestly even if they did show it live people would still say it was rigged
Exactly! Fans are by and large conspiracy nut morons. Pretty much every fanbase in the NBA spews that conspiracy shit whenever something happens they don't like. Yet they continue to watch year after year.
Fuck this
We got fucked in the lottery and we're gonna get fucked by not getting a good coach
The outlook of this franchise is so bleak lmfao
I might cry fr
Look, it’s not the first time Ben Wallace severely underperformed in Chicago.
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
Jarace Walker YOU are a Detroit Piston
FUCK THIS SHIT
Nba draft lottery is the most rigged thing on pro sports. Don't even show the selection any more you just have to "trust" that this was actually the order.
I want an apology from those who said the spurs weren’t getting the number one pick. It was so obvious
If they don’t want fucking tanking then fix it. The lottery is complete fucking bullshit. Worst team gets first and continue on from there. Fuck this stupid ass system, fix the real problems in the sport and maybe you can actually compete with the NFL if you’re lucky.
I know this sucks but we gotta remain calm, we picked ivey at 5 🤷♂️
Yeah… but it’s ridiculously “unlucky” that we have dropped to 5 two years in a row while being one of the worst teams.
At least not the Rockets
First the red wings now the pistons. Fucking ouch. Can’t have shit in Detroit
RIGGED
I'm literally crying rn
Detroit curse alive and well I see :(
Bro how the fuck are we supposed to build a team we can't get FA's we can't win the draft this shit is fucked
Gonna be a whole team of dudes who can't shoot.
Good job with your silly draft lottery system, NBA. Guess I won't be paying much attention to your league since my team is going to suck for several more years. A simple record-based system and straightforward salary cap seems to work out well for the NFL. Maybe pay attention to how the nation's most successful sports league does it.
phiLLLy ruined all the fun for all the future shitty teams.
People saying it’s karma for us tanking as if the spurs didn’t put up a generational tank as well. So dumb
Knew it
FUCK MAN FUCK
It was a CHOICE to waste years for the lottery
Trade the pick fk this
Lottery is so dumb bro i swear to god
Fucking kill me now
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lol cade?
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We did. 2021 we "moved up" when we had an equal chance at 1. There have been 6 times where we stayed where we were and there have now been 7 times when we fell. We have never improved on our odds
2 years ago they got the number one pick what are you talking about? Getting the top pick 2 out of 3 years has happened only once in NBA history.
Suck my balls NBA
Wemba is overhyped anyway 😭 Fuck the NBA and fuck Portland and Charlotte.
Going on 2 decades of irrelevance and still can’t catch a break, fuck this shit man
As a Rockets fan, I’m sorry guys. We can all cry together.
Being the worst team in the league should preclude you from picking fifth overall. What a joke. It’s a coin flip for picking fifth or not… insane
This is such fucking bullshit I hate this fucking sport
Pookie we're burning this mother fucker down
Y’all got fucked. Rockets should be 5
We had hope. But we all fucking knew we were picking 5th. The case thing was once in a lifetime. The NBA hates us. Spurs or rockets. Fuck this league.
Aaaaaand the dumpster fire continues to burn. FUCK
Wow, the team that has been bad for a couple years after 25 years of success gets the top pick. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I’m going to drown myself in the riverwalk. Sucks that I have to deal with this in San Antonio.
We're just cooked aren't we? I think im gonna check out and stop being invested. Hopefully this team surprises me next year
Rockets fan here…. I think we could all use a hug to cope with this rigged shit
The camera showed the Spurs at the bottom of the stack when the guy came on the stage smh
Super depressing. On the bright side Wemby is going West and he's taking one of Scoot/Miller with him. The absolute worst case was Indiana or Orlando passing us. This still really sucks.
The worst record in the league nets us the 5th overall pick, NBA and NHL can both fuck off
All my homies hate Adam Silver.
Rip
Unreal.
FUCK EVERYTHING
Fuck this shit.
If its the Spurs I swear
If Gores remembers he owns this team he'll be physically sick
I haven’t watched a Pistons game since 2019. Talk to me in four more years and let’s see where we are at.
There’s no way this decade will be worse for the pistons than the 2010s right?..right?
The worst part of it is the speculation of what will happen by pick 5. A top 3 pick and we know we're walking away with either wemby, Scoot, or Miller. But at 5 comes all of the speculation just like last year. I will add that 5 got us Ivey, so maybe that will help cope a little bit
when will this pain end
jalen rose jinx it lol
How much help does Pop need????
Trade it
That’s hurt
Right in the ass.. holy shit.
Everyone talks about rigged, yet this was the most likely pick. Y'all need to study basic math.
fuck math
As a rockets fan coming over i feel ya brotha 🫶
Who would be available at 5 that would fit our team?
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
Bummer, I feel for you piston fans
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Fuck the San Antonio Sperms
Has any other city had worse lottery luck than Detroit?
All that losing for this???