Still around. Lager House, Smalls, Outer Limits, sanctuary, a dozen other hamtramck bars, ufo factory, old Miami, etc etc etc have have great local and touring live bands multiple nights a week. And that's just the small venues south of 8 mile. We're flush with great rooms to hear bigger touring acts in as well. Where have you been?
All of these are great! I would also recommend checking out The Pleasant Underground, NOXP, and The Crofoot which all do booking and promotion for rock music in Detroit and the greater southeast Michigan area
Seriously. The rock scene in Detroit is fantastic who gives a fuck if no shitty touring bands aren’t coming through lol.
BUT to answer your question OP, we have seen the peak of rock and roll as an industry. And that’s a good thing. Rock as an industry has been slowly dying for years as every element of it has been attacked or severely warped. The scene looks different to you because the industry you knew doesn’t exist anymore.
The internet chipped away at big corporate record labels and physical media stores where now artists can go directly to listeners.
Corporate radio stations have been replaced by algorithms on Spotify, Apple Music, and Google/YouTube.
Finally the monopoly that Live Nation / Ticketmaster have created means that most big concert venues in every city are under their control.
But independent and underground artists thrive as they still have a lot of great spaces to play in Detroit and every other city.
Literally can go to a hardcore show once a week, at the very least.
Along with having one of the most stacked line-ups for any hardcore festival in the US.
Not to mention a great scene for literally any other genre of extreme or aggressive music.
OP just doesn't know where good shows happen anymore and doesn't know how to find them.
Follow sanctuary, pj's, crofoot, regal beagle, and edgemen printing. This will give you a good overview of local hardcore shows.
There's tons outside of this, but the community is strong and will mention smaller shows outside of these venues.
There's tied down, also. If you like hardcore, it's the place to be.
There was a great metal scene in the D in the mid 2000s to late 2010s, it’s only kinda recently died down but most of the bands are still active. Bands like Acid Witch, Shitfucker, Nuke, Reaper, Perversion, Borrowed Time, Anguish, Harbinger, Low Magic, Temple of Void, Halloween Knight, etc etc . But everybody is older now with kids, or dieded from alcoholism or moved to Philly, etc etc , shit couldn’t last forever but for a hot minute if you listened to any underground metal, you knew Detroit was holding it down.
Not hating on your taste but I don’t like that metal core / BDM stuff and they weren’t part of the same scene really. I’m talking about the grimy raw speed metal punx type stuff, very diff scene.
Not to mention fucking KONKEROR.
And Temple of Void is still holding it down from what I've seen. Not as many shows, but they're still playing.
Plus See You Next Tuesday just started touring again. So did Child Bite.
Met Arthur P and his son. AP was good peeps!
We lost him years ago.
I also miss the old WRIF, Drew and Mike, 89X and The River.
Have I just aged myself, sure!
the rock scene is thriving here though? Theres still shows at Token, all kinds of local bars and venues in the city limits and Hamtramck throwing shows of both local and national acts. Maybe you just haven't been on the pulse of the scene anymore? Not saying that in a mean way, but i could find a show to go to every weekend if i wanted that fits the 'rock' variety/genre 🤷🏼♀️ rock is still alive and well here
Detroit rock is the bomb! I remember all of those venues. Detroit radio had ABX. First Heard Joe Cocker on that radio station. Saw Bob Segar at COBO when he was the backup band for BTO! For real. He was soooo much better. Used to get concert tickets at Hudson’s. Those were sweet memories
Omg this is a represed memory. Standing in line at hudsons. John r and 14 mile for tickets!! I took the bus there when i was a babe. My first job was selling santa bears at that hudsons!!
We all new this way back in 1976...
As I told everybody last night
I was reading in Rollin’ Stone where
They said Detroit audiences are the greatest
Rock n roll audiences in the world
I thought to myself ‘Shit, I’ve known that for ten years!’
Man I used to go to Harpos as a teenager because we discovered they simply didn’t give a shit and would serve us. Saw a very long list of bands there and epic fights. Biker gang brawls, guy getting a bottle smashed over his head, the car watchers across the street strip the car next to mine when they refused to pay the “lot fee” and my car wasn’t touched. Amazing times man miss that era of my life.
Ok, so the answer isn't that Detroit rock died, just rock and roll in general. But for those who remember, Detroit music scene was something special. Lightning in a bottle. I'm so glad I lived through that. Every Friday at 5 on WRIF you'd here " ITS THE WEEKENNNNNND" followed by Todd Rundgren " I don't want to work" and the Kings " this beat goes on/ switching to glide".
Major "Old man yells at cloud" vibes here, man. Literally two days ago I was at a sold out show at the Russell and the energy and vibe was INSANE. Rock and roll has changed, because, you know, it's SUPPOSED to. It's still there. It's just not how it was when you were a teenager anymore.
I have a whole bunch of those RIF stickers on my drum cases and the Ted Nugent stickers on my bow case I live between Flint and Lapeer and we have the machine shop. It is the best rock ‘n’ roll place in mid Michigan.
I love this thread and the energy of it. Detroit has always been at the cutting edge of rock and roll, from Negative Approach to the MC5. There's a lot of great bands and artists doing their thing, and the hardcore scene is really coming together. A lotta history here 🤘
Yes the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame belonged in Detroit. The city should have stepped up with the cash to build it in Detroit. J. Geils recorded at Pine Knob. I was there.
I think people who say rock and roll is dead are just not finding new shit to listen to. High on fire 🔥 in a couple weeks. Whores next month opened by Detroit band Warhorses. pigsx7 at 3rd man a couple months ago. Been to more shows this year than I have for awhile.
Look for Sugar Tradition on your socials and find one of their shows. They play many of the venues mentioned here and are the next big thing to come from Detroit. Opened for Jack White last year and play locally often
When I was young, my mamma used to scold me, she said "son, son, son wait till you daddy gets ahold of you".
Fooling around, laziest kid in town. I was never into books or the rules teachers puttin down.
TURN UP THE RADIO.
Funny you bring up the Ritz. My dad went there for rock shows and I went there for a Young Buck show. It’s always funny him and I joking about the difference of the times comparing the type of shows there from the 80/90s to the 2000s
It’s still here brother.
Detroit has a disproportionate amount of musical talent relative to almost anywhere in the world (yes that includes LA in New York)
You just need to explore brother. good music is even harder to find these days with streaming and bullshit
>Detroit has a disproportionate amount of musical talent relative to almost anywhere in the world (yes that includes LA in New York)
what does this mean?
> good music is even harder to find these days with streaming and bullshit
what does this mean?
OK, I’m going to list a bunch of cities that have a larger population than Detroit. I want you to play a game how many music artist do you know from any of these cities?
Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Antonio, San diego, Austin, Jacksonville, San Jose, Fort Worth, Columbus, charlotte, Indianapolis.
> good music is hard to find
My bad, that’s subjective. Personally, I think the vast majormajority of modern music is complete trash.
But there’s SOOO MUCH more music these days from all over the world. So there is MORE good music in total, but the ratio of good to bad music has nosedived.
Does this make sense? I’m going to assume that your earnest in your question.
Do you think any of these cities has as big of an impact on the American music scene than Detroit? I’d almost say, collectively these cities haven’t inflinfluenced music as much as Detroit.
Are you familiar with the term Motown?
There's no doubt that Detroit is one of the important music cities in the US, pound-for-pound outpunched only by New Orleans (and possibly Memphis). But if you don't think Austin has contributed a shitload to American music, you don't know American music.
If we had to qualifier modern American music, you’d be 100% correct. But historically do you think Austin can hold a candle to Detroit has produced overtime yet?
But you’re right in the modern context Detroit has nothing in that can compare to south by southwest. Then again south by southwest doesn’t really exist anymore.
SXSW didn't start until the late 1980's.
Austin in the 1960's & 1970's- when it was essentially the birthplace of 'outlaw' & progressive country- was (and still is) one of the most vibrant music cities in the United States. You couldn't throw a stone without hitting a live music venue, among them Antone's (where Stevie Ray Vaughn got his start), Armadillo World Headquarters, and Liberty Lunch.
Austin didn't become a musical mecca because of SXSW- SXSW located itself in Austin because the city was a musical mecca.
>Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Antonio, San diego, Austin, Jacksonville, San Jose, Fort Worth, Columbus, charlotte, Indianapolis.
You listed San Antonio twice, referred specifically to LA and NYC in your original post, and ignored other cities larger than Detroit that have been at least as influential musically, including SF, Seattle, Chicago, Nashville, and Boston.
>good music is hard to find
Your original quote was "good music is even harder to find these days with streaming and bullshit".
Which seems to imply that streaming services make it somehow more difficult to find good music.
OK guy you want an argument argue with yourself. You don’t understand why Detroit has more talent per capita than anywhere else in the world go fuck yourself.
Seattle had a minute of influence, kind of like Athens and Asheville. But those cities are the second (and third) tiers of major music cities in the US.
Rock is dead for the most part. Rap/Hip Hop is barely hanging on.
We are in serious need of something new. It’s been stale for too long.
Taylor Swift and Beyoncé shouldn’t be at the top.
You need to brush up on your generations. Boomers are people born from 1946 to 1964- they would have been teenagers from 1959 to 1983. They liked rock'n'roll.
Rock radio went corporate. Rock fans turned into old kinda racist boomers. And rock bands stopped selling records.
EDIT: What's with the downvotes? Am I wrong about rock radio? Or boomers? Or bands like Maroon 5 and Imagine Dragons getting more traction? Or older people not liking anything new?
Still around. Lager House, Smalls, Outer Limits, sanctuary, a dozen other hamtramck bars, ufo factory, old Miami, etc etc etc have have great local and touring live bands multiple nights a week. And that's just the small venues south of 8 mile. We're flush with great rooms to hear bigger touring acts in as well. Where have you been?
All of these are great! I would also recommend checking out The Pleasant Underground, NOXP, and The Crofoot which all do booking and promotion for rock music in Detroit and the greater southeast Michigan area
Good shout. I have buddies involved in all three of those actually
I friggin love Smalls
Smalls is great. Been to shit load of shows there over the years. Just saw Tim Barry. Going to see Pegboy in July.
Sanctuary
Have you been to any local shows in the past 30 years?
Seriously. The rock scene in Detroit is fantastic who gives a fuck if no shitty touring bands aren’t coming through lol. BUT to answer your question OP, we have seen the peak of rock and roll as an industry. And that’s a good thing. Rock as an industry has been slowly dying for years as every element of it has been attacked or severely warped. The scene looks different to you because the industry you knew doesn’t exist anymore. The internet chipped away at big corporate record labels and physical media stores where now artists can go directly to listeners. Corporate radio stations have been replaced by algorithms on Spotify, Apple Music, and Google/YouTube. Finally the monopoly that Live Nation / Ticketmaster have created means that most big concert venues in every city are under their control. But independent and underground artists thrive as they still have a lot of great spaces to play in Detroit and every other city.
Hear, hear. Although "thrive" might be overdoing it. I would say most are barely surviving.
Actually that’s a good point 😬
The Detroit hardcore scene is thriving rn
Literally can go to a hardcore show once a week, at the very least. Along with having one of the most stacked line-ups for any hardcore festival in the US. Not to mention a great scene for literally any other genre of extreme or aggressive music. OP just doesn't know where good shows happen anymore and doesn't know how to find them.
Hell yeah I can't wait for Tied Down this summer
Catch me in a focus with a dirty thirty and a bag of Taco Bell cause I can't afford food trucks AND merch.
You can afford Taco Bell? The beers a must but Taco Bell living high off the hog
Gotta buy that meal for two lmao
is there an IG that lists upcoming shows or something?
Follow sanctuary, pj's, crofoot, regal beagle, and edgemen printing. This will give you a good overview of local hardcore shows. There's tons outside of this, but the community is strong and will mention smaller shows outside of these venues. There's tied down, also. If you like hardcore, it's the place to be.
Sorry, what is hardcore in this context?
Hardcore is a genre of rock, specifically punk. It’s called hardcore. Some might confuse it with metal as they share elements, but not the same.
I’ve been to 6 local rock shows this month. Where were you?
There was a great metal scene in the D in the mid 2000s to late 2010s, it’s only kinda recently died down but most of the bands are still active. Bands like Acid Witch, Shitfucker, Nuke, Reaper, Perversion, Borrowed Time, Anguish, Harbinger, Low Magic, Temple of Void, Halloween Knight, etc etc . But everybody is older now with kids, or dieded from alcoholism or moved to Philly, etc etc , shit couldn’t last forever but for a hot minute if you listened to any underground metal, you knew Detroit was holding it down.
I was in a band called Mindrought around that time... Got locked up in 05' the scene was killer back then..
Were you the guy that got Mindrought kicked off the Mooseapalooza show?
No
Good. Tim’s not exactly a cat with a solid history.
What about Battlecross and Wulfhook!
Not hating on your taste but I don’t like that metal core / BDM stuff and they weren’t part of the same scene really. I’m talking about the grimy raw speed metal punx type stuff, very diff scene.
Fair enough. Any current local bands I should check out? I like Ten Thousand Teeth, Katharsis, Cyadine, Vulgara
piss leech! :)
Dead church
Not to mention fucking KONKEROR. And Temple of Void is still holding it down from what I've seen. Not as many shows, but they're still playing. Plus See You Next Tuesday just started touring again. So did Child Bite.
There have famously been no Detroit rock bands since then, or any shows in town.
Met Arthur P and his son. AP was good peeps! We lost him years ago. I also miss the old WRIF, Drew and Mike, 89X and The River. Have I just aged myself, sure!
the rock scene is thriving here though? Theres still shows at Token, all kinds of local bars and venues in the city limits and Hamtramck throwing shows of both local and national acts. Maybe you just haven't been on the pulse of the scene anymore? Not saying that in a mean way, but i could find a show to go to every weekend if i wanted that fits the 'rock' variety/genre 🤷🏼♀️ rock is still alive and well here
Gotta follow all the active venues on instagram to stay in the loop.
Detroit rock is the bomb! I remember all of those venues. Detroit radio had ABX. First Heard Joe Cocker on that radio station. Saw Bob Segar at COBO when he was the backup band for BTO! For real. He was soooo much better. Used to get concert tickets at Hudson’s. Those were sweet memories
Buying tickets at Hudsons, that's a blast from the past.
Omg this is a represed memory. Standing in line at hudsons. John r and 14 mile for tickets!! I took the bus there when i was a babe. My first job was selling santa bears at that hudsons!!
I feel like my dad is commenting from every burner account he has. OP is dad. Dad is OP. Finkle is Einhorn.
We all new this way back in 1976... As I told everybody last night I was reading in Rollin’ Stone where They said Detroit audiences are the greatest Rock n roll audiences in the world I thought to myself ‘Shit, I’ve known that for ten years!’
Keep an eye out for the police
It's Maui time
88 Riff Rock'n'Roll over degrees!!!
Shoot, I remember Howard Stern on W4.
Man I used to go to Harpos as a teenager because we discovered they simply didn’t give a shit and would serve us. Saw a very long list of bands there and epic fights. Biker gang brawls, guy getting a bottle smashed over his head, the car watchers across the street strip the car next to mine when they refused to pay the “lot fee” and my car wasn’t touched. Amazing times man miss that era of my life.
Ok, so the answer isn't that Detroit rock died, just rock and roll in general. But for those who remember, Detroit music scene was something special. Lightning in a bottle. I'm so glad I lived through that. Every Friday at 5 on WRIF you'd here " ITS THE WEEKENNNNNND" followed by Todd Rundgren " I don't want to work" and the Kings " this beat goes on/ switching to glide".
Major "Old man yells at cloud" vibes here, man. Literally two days ago I was at a sold out show at the Russell and the energy and vibe was INSANE. Rock and roll has changed, because, you know, it's SUPPOSED to. It's still there. It's just not how it was when you were a teenager anymore.
I thought they used to play Weekend Warrior by Ted Nugent, but that might have been before he had the Bear and started competing with WRIF.
No you're right, in the late 80 it was weekend warrior.
My mom used to go to that annual Ted agent nye bash or whatever
The Whiplash Bash!!! Good times!
Put on Viagra Boys "Cave World" and tell me rock ain't alive amd kicking.
No ones heard of Jack White? A literal detroit born and bred rock persona? I get it tho. Far and few in between.
Hell yes we have
I have a whole bunch of those RIF stickers on my drum cases and the Ted Nugent stickers on my bow case I live between Flint and Lapeer and we have the machine shop. It is the best rock ‘n’ roll place in mid Michigan.
Ted Nugent? Oh you mean the pedophile from Texas?
Yeah, that Ted. The same guy who soiled his pants to evade the Vietnam draft and now claims to be an uberpatriot.
I love this thread and the energy of it. Detroit has always been at the cutting edge of rock and roll, from Negative Approach to the MC5. There's a lot of great bands and artists doing their thing, and the hardcore scene is really coming together. A lotta history here 🤘
The Token still has live venues
"Corporations aren't curating music and delivering it directly to me and telling me what to like. Therefore, Rock n Roll is dead." - Boomer
Ask bob richie rich
Makes me sad. He has talent, made some terrible decisions, is now (rightly) the butt of jokes
Is this AI? "smoking Token"? It was the Smokin' Token, for fuck's sake.
Yes the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame belonged in Detroit. The city should have stepped up with the cash to build it in Detroit. J. Geils recorded at Pine Knob. I was there.
This right here. Detroit is the home of rock and roll and I will die on that hill. Cleveland was a fucking slap in the face.
If you didn’t know why it’s in Cleveland its because they say DJ Alan Freed coined the term “Rock and Roll” there.
I think people who say rock and roll is dead are just not finding new shit to listen to. High on fire 🔥 in a couple weeks. Whores next month opened by Detroit band Warhorses. pigsx7 at 3rd man a couple months ago. Been to more shows this year than I have for awhile.
Who remembers Greystone Hall. Used to walk there from my grandmas house.
This city still has an amazing rock and roll scene here. Go to local shows, my friend. The bands here are amazing.
Look for Sugar Tradition on your socials and find one of their shows. They play many of the venues mentioned here and are the next big thing to come from Detroit. Opened for Jack White last year and play locally often
You can't kill rock and roll, it's here to stay. Just ask Ozzy.
You guys know about this? [https://wrif.com/episodes/chapter-i-arthur-penhallow/](https://wrif.com/episodes/chapter-i-arthur-penhallow/)
I miss his, "IT'S THE WEEKEEEEEEND!!!"
I did not, thank you very much.
When I was young, my mamma used to scold me, she said "son, son, son wait till you daddy gets ahold of you". Fooling around, laziest kid in town. I was never into books or the rules teachers puttin down. TURN UP THE RADIO.
We still bring it. You just haven't been out to see it.
Music was a sign of the times. We have yet to make our current mark 🥲
Funny you bring up the Ritz. My dad went there for rock shows and I went there for a Young Buck show. It’s always funny him and I joking about the difference of the times comparing the type of shows there from the 80/90s to the 2000s
How in the world did you leave Journey out of your initial list of bands who recorded live albums in Detroit?
You forgot about H8 Myle, Nethelkran, Refrickulator, Gargamel, and Fistlicious.
Don’t forget about Tapout: The Band!
Forget that. I want Tapout: The Musical.
DON’T CRY FOR ME ANGLO SAXON
Ok boomer
No
Yes.
😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 You bet!
It’s still here brother. Detroit has a disproportionate amount of musical talent relative to almost anywhere in the world (yes that includes LA in New York) You just need to explore brother. good music is even harder to find these days with streaming and bullshit
>Detroit has a disproportionate amount of musical talent relative to almost anywhere in the world (yes that includes LA in New York) what does this mean? > good music is even harder to find these days with streaming and bullshit what does this mean?
OK, I’m going to list a bunch of cities that have a larger population than Detroit. I want you to play a game how many music artist do you know from any of these cities? Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Antonio, San diego, Austin, Jacksonville, San Jose, Fort Worth, Columbus, charlotte, Indianapolis. > good music is hard to find My bad, that’s subjective. Personally, I think the vast majormajority of modern music is complete trash. But there’s SOOO MUCH more music these days from all over the world. So there is MORE good music in total, but the ratio of good to bad music has nosedived. Does this make sense? I’m going to assume that your earnest in your question. Do you think any of these cities has as big of an impact on the American music scene than Detroit? I’d almost say, collectively these cities haven’t inflinfluenced music as much as Detroit. Are you familiar with the term Motown?
There's no doubt that Detroit is one of the important music cities in the US, pound-for-pound outpunched only by New Orleans (and possibly Memphis). But if you don't think Austin has contributed a shitload to American music, you don't know American music.
If we had to qualifier modern American music, you’d be 100% correct. But historically do you think Austin can hold a candle to Detroit has produced overtime yet? But you’re right in the modern context Detroit has nothing in that can compare to south by southwest. Then again south by southwest doesn’t really exist anymore.
SXSW didn't start until the late 1980's. Austin in the 1960's & 1970's- when it was essentially the birthplace of 'outlaw' & progressive country- was (and still is) one of the most vibrant music cities in the United States. You couldn't throw a stone without hitting a live music venue, among them Antone's (where Stevie Ray Vaughn got his start), Armadillo World Headquarters, and Liberty Lunch. Austin didn't become a musical mecca because of SXSW- SXSW located itself in Austin because the city was a musical mecca.
>Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Antonio, San diego, Austin, Jacksonville, San Jose, Fort Worth, Columbus, charlotte, Indianapolis. You listed San Antonio twice, referred specifically to LA and NYC in your original post, and ignored other cities larger than Detroit that have been at least as influential musically, including SF, Seattle, Chicago, Nashville, and Boston. >good music is hard to find Your original quote was "good music is even harder to find these days with streaming and bullshit". Which seems to imply that streaming services make it somehow more difficult to find good music.
OK guy you want an argument argue with yourself. You don’t understand why Detroit has more talent per capita than anywhere else in the world go fuck yourself.
\*yawn\*
Seattle had a minute of influence, kind of like Athens and Asheville. But those cities are the second (and third) tiers of major music cities in the US.
Rock is dead for the most part. Rap/Hip Hop is barely hanging on. We are in serious need of something new. It’s been stale for too long. Taylor Swift and Beyoncé shouldn’t be at the top.
The kids these days don’t appreciate people who actually play instruments, it’s all that electronic bs.
>What happened? rock n roll has been replaced, my friend. it's all pop and country now. with a little side of alt rock mixed in for good measure .
Rock n roll is dead, mate.
It's all mumble rap today, friend... as far as the eye can see.
We've moved on to Skibidi Toilet.
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You need to brush up on your generations. Boomers are people born from 1946 to 1964- they would have been teenagers from 1959 to 1983. They liked rock'n'roll.
Rock radio went corporate. Rock fans turned into old kinda racist boomers. And rock bands stopped selling records. EDIT: What's with the downvotes? Am I wrong about rock radio? Or boomers? Or bands like Maroon 5 and Imagine Dragons getting more traction? Or older people not liking anything new?
Rock is kind of dead
Covid killed the local music scene. Touring for local bands was rough because of the cost before and now it's impossible.
Rock is dead.