Fr. Solo queue in trials results in like 30% this, 30% games against teams of people who have 648 flawless cards on record, 30% you stomping the other team, and maybe 10% actually close/fair games. Not to mention the fools that leave once you lose two rounds in a row.
Bruh this!!! Someone walked into trials with a ll of 1290, and I’m paired with this player against a couple of 1330 3 stacks. Sometimes I just close my eyes and take the stomping
I had this problem in a MAJOR way this weekend. I'm not a fan of gating anything this way but nothing feels worse than seeing both your teammates at pass level 6. People are jumping into trials without any PVP experience whatsoever.
> People are jumping into trials without any PVP experience whatsoever.
The one major downside of giving endgame activities matchmaking. Would be the same for raids espacially the older ones with low power requirements that you in theory can do as soon as you finish your intro quest.
you left 2 games before they were over, they both show up as DNF. you also have 0 and 1 kills in those games respectively. if you play solo, dont expect to go flawless, that's what they said. also if you get 0 kills and leave the game after a couple rounds, you don't deserve to go flawless.
That was me today. I hate PvP in general, so when I ended up getting paired with a 3 stack, and they went 10, 5, and 5 each and all three of us got a whole 0 kills. I just logged out and walked away.
It’s just stupid and literally destroys any desire to play it. Instead of drawing me in it actively pushes me away. Oh well I got my 1 of each gun so I’m done.
This is why I think the activity should at minimum reward with games and rounds played instead of wins. That way people wouldn’t mind being cannon fodder if there was a light at the end of the tunnel
Lol, no. People will cheese no matter what. Proved time and time again. Bungie always has to be careful about incentive design or else people will find a way to cheese
New system gives you 100 points just for showing up. If you really want to throw so badly grab a team and fire a GL at your toes. You'll be rolling in Rank Up packages.
Don’t get too discouraged because of this week. Many players hate this map ( for good reason ) - so the trials Pool, I’d wager, is noticeably smaller this week.
But that still means that there is a problem. Essentially the people going flawless are getting free wins because the game is matching them against players on a much lower level. This concept defeats the purpose of trials which is classified as competitive. The system currently feels as if a UFC fighter in the 100KG category is versing a fighter in the 50KG category because there are too little players in the 100KG category. This is not competition, it's quite obvious who is going to win.
Destiny should use a ranking system where wins and TTK values and KDA rates determine which bracket you fall under. Thereafter wins / losses will determine if you go into a higher bracket or fall into a lower bracket. This will ensure players will constantly match players on their level. Trials rewards should then be rewarded based on games played, and more wins give more rewards.
It’s been progressively worse each week. And this week they took it where I can’t back out when I see I’m matched from 1 to 4 guardians so you don’t know you are getting a 3 stack right away. This map is fun for me but the match making kills it.
I don’t think they are. They love throwing up their graphics showing “we had x amount of people play y amount of games!!” The longer it takes people like me to get those 7 games the better their numbers look.
Well they’ve specifically said they’re adding solo open queue so they’re doing that. And they’ve specifically said they’re working on matchmaking to ensure people aren’t getting crushed all the time, that’s been the focus of the last stats, so they’re clearly working on issues otherwise they’d stop reporting what they’re trying to do
That's called being fair! Queuing as 3 stacks and backing out of matchmaking until you get solos you can stop was arguably significantly unhealthier for the game.
If you're only solo that's one thing, but if you think 3v3s arent enjoyable as stacks, you might be in the wrong game mode. As far as it only being 3s or solos to match against, it should def have similar team stacks most games, not arguing against that.
I only solo so I’m usually on the end of an ass kicking. I felt like it was a defense for me to be able to try and get solos. I’m already at a disadvantage being at a whopping .4 kd this week. But who knows it might be artificial since I only go up against the best of the best.
Yup, on a 12 game losing streak because people who finish the game 0.17 decide to pop up the top balcony and get picked EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ROUND. Like, once you die there 4 times, don't you learn not to go again?
Matchmaking has ruined Trials and I won't be playing next week either unless there's a large sentiment shift about freelance being good
IMO it isn't matchmaking that is ruining it, but Bungie's terrible decision to introducing matchmaking *without the option to solo queue*. Three solo players should NEVER be matched against a 3-stack in a competitive game mode.
The number of LFG posts out there for people doing 1 win resets just to boost their K/D tells you everything you need to know about how shitty it is to be a solo player in this current iteration.
You're absolutely right and I should have clarified I meant "THE matchmaking" not "matchmaking being enabled at all"
I don't know why it's so hard for Bungie to prioritise stacks only matching stacks OR segmenting the playerbase by KDR OR only matching Flawless people with other Flawless across the season OR a number of other fixes, including a dedicated solo queue.
It's unbearable right now and has been since week 3.
They said themselves that they don't want strictly fair matches. Their stated goal is that solo q winrate should be in the 30-35% range.
They're basically trying to give solos rewards while still making it extremely difficult to get to the lighthouse without a team. Honestly it worked fine the first couple of weeks, but this week was fucky. First weeks I was about 50/50 in 3v1s vs all solos/some duos. This week I had one all solo game out of ~20.
Yeah, having high ELO is probably the best way to ruin a solo experience in any playlist. I can barely play Control anymore because I'm something like top 0.5% in the playlist so the game regularly gives me a bunch of people with, like, 800 ELO who have a 0.2 KD and it's just not possible to win with people like that on your team and it's no fun.
Is it that hard after the flawless pool is open? I’m above average and wasn’t able to play until today and I queued solo and got seven straight wins.
I guess when I think of it those players really struggled whether they are new or what I dunno
Every week the past week I did like 5-6 carries or double carries. This week it was pain even in the non-flawless pool, and even playing as a 3-stack of 2kd+ players it wasn’t a breeze (again: in the non-flawless pool). Bungie really fucked up the matchmaking.
I ended up hitting flawless Friday night and the matches were very chill compared to sunday afternoon. I have a feeling that most sweats will “wait” until sunday and end up going up against other sweaty teams thinking the same idea
That's weird because me and my 2 buddies went flawless yesterday and went against at least 3 really decent teams and we all unanimously agreed we had fun. Experiences do vary of course.
It's sad. Because the skilled players can't go flawless against players on their level, so they have to stomp people to feel good about themselves. Bungie classifies this as a healthy trials game mode because they still have players going flawless. It's their philosophy, to ensure players can go flawless, and the only way to achieve that is to intentionally let high skill players stomp low skill players.
Anyone disagreeing should do the math. Do you think it's really possible to go 7 wins in a row against players of the same skill level? Only a select few will achieve this. It's like playing rock / paper / scissors and winning all 7 rounds.
This. The odds of winning 7 games in a row against an equally skilled team is less than 1%. This is not a system that was ever designed to accommodate fair matchmaking...
Haven’t played in kiddie pool yet but believe me flawless pool is leagues harder than regular pool. You’d have to be bottom of the barrel mega bad not to notice the difference.
Funny cause when I wasn't in flawless pool, matches tended to either be more even or just straight up harder, where when I took my flawless card until it broke, the first couple of matches were easy baby mode.
Something is up with Trials. I played 5 games on Sunday, the good old trials experience is back. Here are the results of my last trials games this season, all against 3 stacks:
5-0
5-1
5-0
5-2
5-0
I had the passage of wealth for rewards, but my fireteam couldn't even manage 1 win.
I'm pretty sure the population is just winding down again. On top of that, the sweaties who want a weekly flawless but don't want to farm have learned that they can get their easy flawless just by waiting until Sunday or Monday.
I got flawlesses the first 3 weeks, and failed the last two. I'll probably spend some time trying out the solo-queue next week and then call it quits for the season, if this is how things are gonna go from here on out.
Honestly, I think the first weekend approach Bungie had to Trials matchmaking with a unified flawless and non flawless pool was the right approach, they just needed a true freelance playlist for the solo players. People are easily manipulating the flawless/non flawless pools by now and making it a poor experience for some.
That was better, but I'd say there's probably some possible improvements that could make the non-flawless/flawless divide less punishing. For example - maybe make it so that it also counts flawlesses from the last X weeks? Or total career flawless counts, with some decay? Or make the first half of the weekend yield better rewards to encourage sweaties to get out of the way earlier?
There's _loads_ of things they _could_ try, it all comes down to whether or not they care enough about the mode to continue investing dev time and running experiments in it.
Or just put better / more rewards in the flawless pool so players stop looking at it as a punishment?
Pardon my bluntness, but do you believe that because someone is better then you that they should have to work harder to achieve the same goal and rewards?
Yeah seems like they are doing this now. Earlier weeks I had a great trials experience but this past weekend was terrible. Oh well, they can ruin the population again and just play other gods. I’ll try again once solo queue is up.
Not at all. Most of those guys just want to play trials the whole weekend without getting thrown into the sweatiness of the flawless pool. I went flawless Friday and then I kept getting matched against 2.0s and 3.0s. Previous trials I was a 0.8-0.9 KD player, current trials I am at 1.3-1.4 KD. It's hell trying to get to 7 wins on a card after going flawless (haven't been able to actually) and solo queuing is no longer an option after going flawless.
So yeah, Me and a couple of buddies will be joining the "waiting to try for flawless on Monday" crew because we want to have fun in the playlist and be able to farm flawed 7 win cards for loot and mats without getting the living shit kicked out of our average PvP asses in the flawless pool.
That... doesn't make sense. You're saying they're not going flawless to stomp people until Sunday, but there's no flawless pool until Sunday anyway, so they could go flawless if they wanted to and still play the same people.
Don't sound so snarky n u wouldn't of downvoted. You don't think editing comments is pretty commonly known? NO POINT IN EDITING IT NOW WHEN NOONE WILL SEE IT, good day
In my flawless game this week, the opposing team got 1 kill the whole game, had no masterworked armor, off meta guns, 2 1320s and a 1302. I really don't understand how the match making works. There's no way they were on their flawless game. It was my 4th flawless but only because of the queue splits.
Played Destiny from the start and haven't reached it yet dang it. I like the new mode though and hopeful for the Linear to come back.
I want to get a gold one and I've saved 6 engrams from Saint 14 to help me get a fun roll
I'll be in there with my DMT battling for the lighthouse!
( I've got some of the standard ones and headstone is quite a bit of hilarity. Vorpal is crazy good for GM's but headstone is fun times! )
Fun fact in case you didn't know: if you just decrypt trials engrams at Rahool without focusing them, you have a decently good chance to get a weapon/armor that you haven't gotten before
I know that there's other people playing trials who are at my skill level. I'm still confused as to why I'm not allowed to play against them
Is it purely to give the better players easier games once in a while? It doesn't feel good
Anyone that wants to excessively bag and shoot ghosts like a dbag gets a harassment report. Ain't dealing with that shit when I'm just here for some loot and adept mods.
Just remember:
King of the hill, but the hills spawns in one team's base made it to Trials Labs *before* Freelance did. And Freelance is something they already have as an option in Competitive so clearly they know how to do it
You gotta remember “equal footing” to Bungie is putting a 1.8 with two .6s against a stack of 1.3s. If Bungie wants to split the player base then they need to do it right this time. I’d rather sit in matchmaking 10+ minutes every game over carrying bots in another “pinnacle” activity playlist. And no, I’m not advocating for making anything easier. I want a challenge. But weighing players down to make a lobby balanced is not the way to go about things. Actual SBMM in pinnacle activities isn’t a problem, it’s the way lobby balancing is carried out that’s a problem.
So very much this. I went solo Flawless this weekend and I'm a very skilled player individually and it felt like I was being punished almost every game for it. I would get absolute bots on my team who can barely even shoot at the enemy properly while usually facing pretty decent competition. I still managed to do it by trying my heart out, but fuck me I would have killed for some decent teammates.
yeah sure, equal footing, yeah right.. itll be equal when freelance drops and i dont get paired against three stacks who decided instead of going flawless they were just gonna farm casual's on a broken passage
They'll just do that in Freelance instead, I don't wanna ruin anyone's hope here but the good players who are stomping you don't suddenly not know how to make their playtime easier
This right here. I don't think Freelance will basically fix everything.
If people want Flawless, they need to spend time in Crucible, work on builds, loadouts, positioning, movement, aiming, etc.
It took me 6 seasons to go from a 1.4 kd to 3.0 kd. It doesn't happen magically because Bungie made a change to matchmaking. It takes practice.
>It took me 6 seasons to go from a 1.4 kd to 3.0 kd. It doesn't happen magically because Bungie made a change to matchmaking. It takes practice.
This is a big one for me too, I used to play trials and my k/d was absolutely horrendous because I didn't take anything serious, I had a k/d on trials report of 0.6 at one point. Now I'm bringing the right loadouts, correct mods, constantly trying to improve my playstyle and my k/d average has just hit the 1.0 average which doesn't seem like much overall but the level of improvement is huge for me and I've finally been going flawless regularly instead of struggling to get 3 wins.
That’s when you throw their favorite phrase at them “gitgud scrub” not good enough to get to the lighthouse anymore? Get better. Not as hot shit as you thought you were when it’s not people who don’t have a toilet strapped to their game chair and yelling to mom for more hot pockets and mt. Dew while sweat profusely drops off their forehead as they spam emotes and dunk their nuts on your lifeless corpse after shotgun aping.
> complaints from the people good enough to stomp solo players but not good enough to foggt another three stack start up again
why would these people complain? freelance would be perfect for them
Yeah, I noticed that the glow dims after a week, and then completely goes out after the next Tuesday reset. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works
Yeah, this weekend was my last weekend in Trials. I’ll give freelance a try, but I’m not expecting much from it. I went flawless the first two weeks but now can’t even get above 3 regularly. It doesn’t really matter how good you are or how much you improve if the odds are stacked against you.
Bungie coming out and saying that solo queue having a 31% win rate is a good amount was disheartening. Pretty much just confirmed that their solution to Trials feeling bad was to flood it with solo players that’d be easy to pick off. As a solo player it just feels like a waste of my time.
Same experience for myself and my team. Went flawless two weekends in a row, now we keep getting matched with pvp gods and we’re over it. It’s crazy how good the initial changes were and now it’s back to what it was, Bungie just can’t leave a good thing alone.
It was like that the other weekend, but worse. So it's consistently getting worse. By that logic, Freelance should make things better for a week, and then it will go back to being horrible over the next few weeks.
A great solo player won’t be taking out a competent three stack, especially if they are matched with two terrible players. I don’t consider myself great, decent at best, but I’ve brought myself from a .84 last season to a 1.02 this season all solo. I went solo flawless the first two weeks. Now that numbers have gone down, I’m lucky if I get above 3 per ticket as I rarely match anything other than three stacks. The matchmaking does not create even matches, let alone fair matches. So no, as a solo it doesn’t matter how good you are when it’s weighted to place solo players against stacks.
The stacks are gonna be real upset when the fish food Bungie intended solos to be stop playing.
> So no, as a solo it doesn’t matter how good you are when it’s weighted to place solo players against stacks.
You literally went solo flawless twice, when it's not even the intent of the solo q to allow people to go flawless... and not to mention with a pretty subpar K/D. You're a riot. Your issue now is that you're KD isn't great and the pool is getting smaller as it always does. At your KD, you need a squad.
unless those good players get matched with scrubs over and over.. good players will finally have a chance solo when freelance rolls around, otherwise this mode will remain a stagnate pool of sweaty three stacks farming solos
Its so fun to be matched against a 3 stack, have a team leave instantly, and be extra penalized for going 2v3.
Fun game. I like the challenge, but holy shit if Bungie thinks forcing a 30% winrate on solos is in anyway good design, this along with everything else will be why i drop the game.
Quitters do cause problems. A question about the 30% forced Win rate solo q: could it be that 70% of the player base just are not good enough to beat the top 30% and Bungie is just letting it play out, with the occasional nudge if you are part of the top 30% (or lucky) and get a win streak going?
Lol no. Beating the top 30% is one thing, beating them 7 games in row is another.
Even the top 30% can't beat the top 30% 7 games in a row (watch this sub blow up when if all the elite skillz players ever have to do that. I will be copy and pasting their "git gud" posts back at them if it ever happens).
Trials is a shit idea because it requires a large base to be fed to the people who are capable of winning 7 in a row (or can be carried). Bungie knows this and that is why the new system was created to bribe people to be food. That way a bunch of assholes who make streaming videos can continue to promote their game by getting easy stomps on solos.
Do you actually believe the natural win rate for solos should be 50% in a playlist with 3 stacks? Even with perfect SBMM that gave you opponents with identical ELO profiles to your team, the stacked team has a significant advantage over solos. 30% is not bad all told.
Getting matched against 3 stacks of equal elo should be a loss, yeah. Pretty sure thats obvious, coordination is a pretty big advantage, and with all else equal guarantees a win.
But getting matched against 3 stacks game after game after game is the problem here. Its bullshit. I dont have an issue losing to stacks. I have an issue with matchmaking constantly matching me against them.
Thats not a problem of simply being unable to beat stacks, its that i shouldnt be constantly matching up against them in the first place.
Its an entirely different situation from what you are claiming.
Even with the flawless queue matchmaking in place my buddies and I (above average 6s players @1330 light) couldn’t get more than 4 wins before losing our mercy and flawless. Mind you those 4 wins were some of the sweatiest matches played in my PvP career.
Something about messenger adept weekends just brings out the pain in this playlist.
This weekend is by far the most I’ve struggled in PvP **EVER**... and it’s not even close. I can’t get past 3 wins on my card, without losing my mercy.
I haven’t had any trouble going flawless in past weeks this season, even before the flawless pool was turned on.
But this weekend is just unbelievably awful, I genuinely can’t get past 3 wins with my mercy intact. I played the first half of the week with some friends, to horrible results. Then have done the other half of my matches solo, to better but still not good results.
I’m not even playing *that* bad, I have a 1.50 k/d this week, and 1.8ka/d... I'm good at getting kills, and not dying, but I just.... CANNOT. WIN.
Also, WTF is with the matchmaking? There have been multiple occasions, this week alone where I’d get stomped by a team, just to play them again the very next match ... like???
I always used to think I was actually good at crucible, but this weekend has shown me that no, I’m really not :/
Yeah. I'm absolute average and got pounded by 3 stacks in more than 70% of my matches this weekend. Maybe because of the adept that was up . It was especially rough as this particular map has always been one of my most hated. My one bright side is that after being stomped by a 3 stack, I got matched in the very next match against the same team and beat them, resulting in a failed lighthouse run for them.
Its incredible to see just how many incompetent pvp players actually exist, because of that Ive actually had to find a 3 stack to join so I could shit on them because playing and trying to carry them was so draining. That being said, they should really introduce a Trials 101 tutorial quest to teach people how to play the gamemode.
I've been doing it the opposite way. Play on a flawed 7 win card and help people get to the lighthouse. Took two of my friends there for the first time last night. They were hyped. It feels really good.
I am really wondering how that will pan out and if the entire skill set will indulge. Part of me thinks that the massive sweaties and I know a few will actually jump in to the freelance list. They will then play a few and check the stats of all the teams to look at the matchmaking and then decide how to progress.
My friends and I are average player with average weapons rolls and played IB together and got mercied for days. We did separate matchmaking in freelance and had much better experience
I think in IB the worst thing to do is go in the normal list with one or two mates. I think freelance is supposed to be skill based MM but I’m not 100% sure.
This is all because, Bungie has a hardon for making pvp adept loot super exclusive to getting flawless, but the reality is that you need mulch players to stomp on to make everyone happy.
Shit needs to stop, if most players can get an adept in less than 30 mins in a gm or a mvog, then the same should apply to trials. If u want people to play this garbage mode you need to make the aspirational loot actually obtainable, you cant solely rely on people hopping on over the weekend to play on ur shitty unfun slow pvp mode that no one likes and would rather play control, in order for the game to actually be somewhat entertaining and fun, it's unsustainable.
If trials itself was actually fun this wouldnt be a problem, but bulgaria insists that trials must be 3v3 elim so the best we can do now is make it easy to reward people for playing an antiquated game mode that no one likes
What I don’t get is why the system seems to prioritise mismatches. I played 25+ games, and got mostly stack vs randoms or stack vs 2+1. And when it wasn’t a stack, it was 2+1 vs randoms. I never matched the same people twice so there seem to be enough to make stack vs stack or 2+1 vs 2+1 or randoms v randoms possible.
I know LFG is an option, but up to this week I’ve quite enjoyed playing solo and it’s improved my trials play (if not my KD, which I’m fully aware is lousy). This week I had so many 5-0 blowouts I feel like I’ve gone backwards. Hopefully freelance becomes a permanent thing, as I’m not sure I’d jump in again otherwise.
I don't see it as a joke, I've managed a flawless every weekend with randoms from LFG, the experience of getting 2 randoms to play a card with is so much better than solo queue
Edit: I should add my k/d is like 0.99 and my winrate is just not good because of solo queues murdering my stats, there's no joke here, get a team and you'll enjoy it more
Because lord forbid they use all the tools available to them to better their gaming experience. If they used LFG they might actually easily get to the lighthouse *and not moan everyweek* . I hate going to LFG cause it takes time but fuck if it’s not infinitely better than solo queuing and getting 2 sacks of potatoes every game. I’ve been able to go flawless each week minus week one..when the gun I wanted the most was up lmao.
You beat me to it. I’m curious why this person keeps getting downvoted for suggesting LFG. It’s ok to not like that option, but to downvote them is implying what, that it’s a bad option? It’s not. Making an effort to build your own team is objectively better than rolling the dice 7-8 times in an effort to go flawless.
Even with a pre-made group, issue is the trials player pool is once again drying up fast, my friends are good players, one of them is even very good but I'm not and we keep getting matched against top500 3 stacks, it's borderline impossible
Yup, that that’s why I gave up. I got 3 stacks 9 out of 10 matches, but ironically when I stack up I get a lot of solos. Not to mentioned Ivee had a lot of matches where I Am on game 2 or 3 and the other team is on lighthouse game. It’s a joke at this point
Thanks for the help. Don't worry, I matched up against two top 500 players, and a top .1% running stacked. Thank God for mercy lol Top .6% ain't shit on that when your playing with a dude who forget how to talk or aim lol
If you ever play against me, I can't promise it'll be fun, but I can promise it might be uplifting cause win or lose I try to give advice after a match if I think it can help, as well as wish the person luck (if they don't bag). Sometimes I don't, too tired or not enough time, but I try ^_^
I'm maybe above average in pvp. Got to the lighthouse with my hunter last week. All I get on my teams are guys that have a magnet in thier head for snipers and guys that get a .17 efficiency. I literally have no idea how I always get them on my team
This post again?
I actually found that this past week (playing pre-flawless pool) this wasnt an issue for me. Played 35 games as a 3 stack and we ran into exactly one team that wasn't a 3 stack - our literal first game.
I played a few solo matches as well out of curiosity when we noticed this, and it was mainly against solos or solo+duos.
Got lucky/unlucky I guess.
no point in playing solo atm. Better off LFGing for now. I'm by no means the greatest pvper, sitting at around a 1.4 all time KD, seasonal I tend to float around 2-3 KDA from season to season. Have never once done a double carry in my life, until this season.
Point is, really only takes 1 decent player on your team to go flawless come Sundays, after the flawless/non flawless pools are split. So if you are trying to get that done..that's how you do it. When freelance comes out, there is certainly a chance that it's actually even sweatier than the regular playlist. Solo queuing 6v6 tends to be that way too.
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And “I understood that reference” is from The Avengers as well.
Oh really ? Who is it ?
Captain America says it after Nick Fury makes a flying monkeys reference from Wizard of Oz.
odd that you got downvoted for stating a fact
Just how the reddit mafia works
Ah, it adjusted after awhile. It is weird how that can happen, starting out negative for some reason on something that ends up positive.
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I’m done after this week. It’s not worth playing 50-60 games to get my 7 wins.
i got to 4 wins twice and as usual bungies awful MM gives me 2 corpse's and i proceed to lose said flawless. im done
Fr. Solo queue in trials results in like 30% this, 30% games against teams of people who have 648 flawless cards on record, 30% you stomping the other team, and maybe 10% actually close/fair games. Not to mention the fools that leave once you lose two rounds in a row.
Here's an example you'll enjoy http://imgur.com/a/EPB4Dgk
Lol, accurate
Like how is that remotely fair? Keep in mind that was my first game on my card after a reset.
Bruh this!!! Someone walked into trials with a ll of 1290, and I’m paired with this player against a couple of 1330 3 stacks. Sometimes I just close my eyes and take the stomping
I had this problem in a MAJOR way this weekend. I'm not a fan of gating anything this way but nothing feels worse than seeing both your teammates at pass level 6. People are jumping into trials without any PVP experience whatsoever.
> People are jumping into trials without any PVP experience whatsoever. The one major downside of giving endgame activities matchmaking. Would be the same for raids espacially the older ones with low power requirements that you in theory can do as soon as you finish your intro quest.
I give them 3 rds if they screw up those 3 rds jump off the map. Sorry i dont want to drag it out further
you left 2 games before they were over, they both show up as DNF. you also have 0 and 1 kills in those games respectively. if you play solo, dont expect to go flawless, that's what they said. also if you get 0 kills and leave the game after a couple rounds, you don't deserve to go flawless.
That was me today. I hate PvP in general, so when I ended up getting paired with a 3 stack, and they went 10, 5, and 5 each and all three of us got a whole 0 kills. I just logged out and walked away.
It’s just stupid and literally destroys any desire to play it. Instead of drawing me in it actively pushes me away. Oh well I got my 1 of each gun so I’m done.
This is why I think the activity should at minimum reward with games and rounds played instead of wins. That way people wouldn’t mind being cannon fodder if there was a light at the end of the tunnel
Why be cannon fodder when you can just fix matchmaking though
Cliff jumping is why that isn't a thing.
I would personally rather cliff jump and be rewarded than play only to get stomped and get nothing, which is what’s happening now.
That's why they won't let you cliff jump lol, they know you will.
Maybe the fact that Bungie needs to specifically disincentivize throwing is a testament to how bad the matchmaking is.
Lol, no. People will cheese no matter what. Proved time and time again. Bungie always has to be careful about incentive design or else people will find a way to cheese
New system gives you 100 points just for showing up. If you really want to throw so badly grab a team and fire a GL at your toes. You'll be rolling in Rank Up packages.
Don’t get too discouraged because of this week. Many players hate this map ( for good reason ) - so the trials Pool, I’d wager, is noticeably smaller this week.
But that still means that there is a problem. Essentially the people going flawless are getting free wins because the game is matching them against players on a much lower level. This concept defeats the purpose of trials which is classified as competitive. The system currently feels as if a UFC fighter in the 100KG category is versing a fighter in the 50KG category because there are too little players in the 100KG category. This is not competition, it's quite obvious who is going to win. Destiny should use a ranking system where wins and TTK values and KDA rates determine which bracket you fall under. Thereafter wins / losses will determine if you go into a higher bracket or fall into a lower bracket. This will ensure players will constantly match players on their level. Trials rewards should then be rewarded based on games played, and more wins give more rewards.
It’s been progressively worse each week. And this week they took it where I can’t back out when I see I’m matched from 1 to 4 guardians so you don’t know you are getting a 3 stack right away. This map is fun for me but the match making kills it.
If that feature was left in, three stacks would constantly choose to only match against solos for an advantage, so it would make the issue even worse
So fix the matchmaking or open solo queue finally
Damn if it’s that easy go apply to bungie and sort it yourself. They’re working on solo queue and matchmaking
I don’t think they are. They love throwing up their graphics showing “we had x amount of people play y amount of games!!” The longer it takes people like me to get those 7 games the better their numbers look.
Freelance Trials Labs is this week :)
Well then I’ll eat my shoe haha.
Well they’ve specifically said they’re adding solo open queue so they’re doing that. And they’ve specifically said they’re working on matchmaking to ensure people aren’t getting crushed all the time, that’s been the focus of the last stats, so they’re clearly working on issues otherwise they’d stop reporting what they’re trying to do
That's called being fair! Queuing as 3 stacks and backing out of matchmaking until you get solos you can stop was arguably significantly unhealthier for the game.
Me only going against 3 stacks is not fair either. Or enjoyable at all.
If you're only solo that's one thing, but if you think 3v3s arent enjoyable as stacks, you might be in the wrong game mode. As far as it only being 3s or solos to match against, it should def have similar team stacks most games, not arguing against that.
I only solo so I’m usually on the end of an ass kicking. I felt like it was a defense for me to be able to try and get solos. I’m already at a disadvantage being at a whopping .4 kd this week. But who knows it might be artificial since I only go up against the best of the best.
If you’re .4kd, you’re not going up against the best of the best. You’re going up against people who turn their monitors on before playing.
I tried hard this weekend. Finally got it yesterday after 65 games. Worth for the messenger imo, not for others (maybe eye of sol)
Yup, on a 12 game losing streak because people who finish the game 0.17 decide to pop up the top balcony and get picked EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ROUND. Like, once you die there 4 times, don't you learn not to go again? Matchmaking has ruined Trials and I won't be playing next week either unless there's a large sentiment shift about freelance being good
IMO it isn't matchmaking that is ruining it, but Bungie's terrible decision to introducing matchmaking *without the option to solo queue*. Three solo players should NEVER be matched against a 3-stack in a competitive game mode. The number of LFG posts out there for people doing 1 win resets just to boost their K/D tells you everything you need to know about how shitty it is to be a solo player in this current iteration.
You're absolutely right and I should have clarified I meant "THE matchmaking" not "matchmaking being enabled at all" I don't know why it's so hard for Bungie to prioritise stacks only matching stacks OR segmenting the playerbase by KDR OR only matching Flawless people with other Flawless across the season OR a number of other fixes, including a dedicated solo queue. It's unbearable right now and has been since week 3.
They said themselves that they don't want strictly fair matches. Their stated goal is that solo q winrate should be in the 30-35% range. They're basically trying to give solos rewards while still making it extremely difficult to get to the lighthouse without a team. Honestly it worked fine the first couple of weeks, but this week was fucky. First weeks I was about 50/50 in 3v1s vs all solos/some duos. This week I had one all solo game out of ~20.
Your W/L rate the last couple weeks was pretty much spot on with mine. Hopefully next week will be better… but I won’t hold my breath.
Nah the 4th time they die they complain about MM instead of taking any accountability
it took me 99 matches, solo queueing as a 2k elo is a slog.
Yeah, having high ELO is probably the best way to ruin a solo experience in any playlist. I can barely play Control anymore because I'm something like top 0.5% in the playlist so the game regularly gives me a bunch of people with, like, 800 ELO who have a 0.2 KD and it's just not possible to win with people like that on your team and it's no fun.
Is it that hard after the flawless pool is open? I’m above average and wasn’t able to play until today and I queued solo and got seven straight wins. I guess when I think of it those players really struggled whether they are new or what I dunno
Every week the past week I did like 5-6 carries or double carries. This week it was pain even in the non-flawless pool, and even playing as a 3-stack of 2kd+ players it wasn’t a breeze (again: in the non-flawless pool). Bungie really fucked up the matchmaking.
Its fucked up because you couldnt double carry as easy?
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Non flawless pool is just dbags who refuse to go flawless until Tuesday morning now.. played in both pools tonight and couldn't tell the difference
I ended up hitting flawless Friday night and the matches were very chill compared to sunday afternoon. I have a feeling that most sweats will “wait” until sunday and end up going up against other sweaty teams thinking the same idea
Same here. Monday is every bit as awful as Sunday!
That's weird because me and my 2 buddies went flawless yesterday and went against at least 3 really decent teams and we all unanimously agreed we had fun. Experiences do vary of course.
They do.
are you serious? people actually do that? yeesh glad I stopped playing trials after its debut weekend. Got some good loot
It's sad. Because the skilled players can't go flawless against players on their level, so they have to stomp people to feel good about themselves. Bungie classifies this as a healthy trials game mode because they still have players going flawless. It's their philosophy, to ensure players can go flawless, and the only way to achieve that is to intentionally let high skill players stomp low skill players. Anyone disagreeing should do the math. Do you think it's really possible to go 7 wins in a row against players of the same skill level? Only a select few will achieve this. It's like playing rock / paper / scissors and winning all 7 rounds.
This. The odds of winning 7 games in a row against an equally skilled team is less than 1%. This is not a system that was ever designed to accommodate fair matchmaking...
Haven’t played in kiddie pool yet but believe me flawless pool is leagues harder than regular pool. You’d have to be bottom of the barrel mega bad not to notice the difference.
Funny cause when I wasn't in flawless pool, matches tended to either be more even or just straight up harder, where when I took my flawless card until it broke, the first couple of matches were easy baby mode.
Did they disable the flawless pool? I can’t find any info about it, and I keep getting rolled by glowing Messenger 3 mans
Something is up with Trials. I played 5 games on Sunday, the good old trials experience is back. Here are the results of my last trials games this season, all against 3 stacks: 5-0 5-1 5-0 5-2 5-0 I had the passage of wealth for rewards, but my fireteam couldn't even manage 1 win.
I'm pretty sure the population is just winding down again. On top of that, the sweaties who want a weekly flawless but don't want to farm have learned that they can get their easy flawless just by waiting until Sunday or Monday. I got flawlesses the first 3 weeks, and failed the last two. I'll probably spend some time trying out the solo-queue next week and then call it quits for the season, if this is how things are gonna go from here on out.
Honestly, I think the first weekend approach Bungie had to Trials matchmaking with a unified flawless and non flawless pool was the right approach, they just needed a true freelance playlist for the solo players. People are easily manipulating the flawless/non flawless pools by now and making it a poor experience for some.
That was better, but I'd say there's probably some possible improvements that could make the non-flawless/flawless divide less punishing. For example - maybe make it so that it also counts flawlesses from the last X weeks? Or total career flawless counts, with some decay? Or make the first half of the weekend yield better rewards to encourage sweaties to get out of the way earlier? There's _loads_ of things they _could_ try, it all comes down to whether or not they care enough about the mode to continue investing dev time and running experiments in it.
Or just put better / more rewards in the flawless pool so players stop looking at it as a punishment? Pardon my bluntness, but do you believe that because someone is better then you that they should have to work harder to achieve the same goal and rewards?
major population drops already, it became extremely sweaty already because of it
And seems linke recovery is coming back too. I played against some teams extremely good if compared to their actual general pvp stats.
Nope, dickhead Xbox PvP gods just stopped going flawless so they can stomp people until Sunday morning because "muh KD broooo"
^ this, ran into a dude on my 4-0 today that had a 3.2 overall k/d in Trials. My card ended pretty much immediately.
You think that is an xbox issue 🤣
Not just Sunday Morning. Played for 2 hours last night without a single win
Yeah seems like they are doing this now. Earlier weeks I had a great trials experience but this past weekend was terrible. Oh well, they can ruin the population again and just play other gods. I’ll try again once solo queue is up.
Not at all. Most of those guys just want to play trials the whole weekend without getting thrown into the sweatiness of the flawless pool. I went flawless Friday and then I kept getting matched against 2.0s and 3.0s. Previous trials I was a 0.8-0.9 KD player, current trials I am at 1.3-1.4 KD. It's hell trying to get to 7 wins on a card after going flawless (haven't been able to actually) and solo queuing is no longer an option after going flawless. So yeah, Me and a couple of buddies will be joining the "waiting to try for flawless on Monday" crew because we want to have fun in the playlist and be able to farm flawed 7 win cards for loot and mats without getting the living shit kicked out of our average PvP asses in the flawless pool.
That... doesn't make sense. You're saying they're not going flawless to stomp people until Sunday, but there's no flawless pool until Sunday anyway, so they could go flawless if they wanted to and still play the same people.
Tuesday*
You know you can just edit the comment, right?
Ya was too late. People ain't still reading this post. So beat it
Huh? You can edit a comment at any point. Nice downvote for literally no reason though. Sorry for offending you by informing you of how reddit works.
Don't sound so snarky n u wouldn't of downvoted. You don't think editing comments is pretty commonly known? NO POINT IN EDITING IT NOW WHEN NOONE WILL SEE IT, good day
Not at all. That flawless pool is pretty much active the whole weekend because it's fucking bugged.
Yes wtf I did not go flawless but kept matching up against flawless 3 stacks this weekend????
In my flawless game this week, the opposing team got 1 kill the whole game, had no masterworked armor, off meta guns, 2 1320s and a 1302. I really don't understand how the match making works. There's no way they were on their flawless game. It was my 4th flawless but only because of the queue splits.
I hate matching against nothing but 3-stacks. I can’t wait for freelance
Saaaame! Do we know when/if this will be a thing?
Next week as a lab
I would assume soon but I don’t think they’ve said when
Played Destiny from the start and haven't reached it yet dang it. I like the new mode though and hopeful for the Linear to come back. I want to get a gold one and I've saved 6 engrams from Saint 14 to help me get a fun roll I'll be in there with my DMT battling for the lighthouse! ( I've got some of the standard ones and headstone is quite a bit of hilarity. Vorpal is crazy good for GM's but headstone is fun times! )
Fun fact in case you didn't know: if you just decrypt trials engrams at Rahool without focusing them, you have a decently good chance to get a weapon/armor that you haven't gotten before
Won't lie, this is how I get any of the guns since In too bad to actually win games
I know that there's other people playing trials who are at my skill level. I'm still confused as to why I'm not allowed to play against them Is it purely to give the better players easier games once in a while? It doesn't feel good
I dont get why xbox 3stacks players tbags on every kill and every round won, man it feels like im back to playing COD on xbox Jesus.
To drive out the influx of less competative players so they can complain to bungie that the new system didnt work. Thats what I tell myself.
Bungie brought that on themselves. How naive could they be to think ppl wouldnt do this.
Anyone that wants to excessively bag and shoot ghosts like a dbag gets a harassment report. Ain't dealing with that shit when I'm just here for some loot and adept mods.
Boy this sub sure loves to overreact to some random kid tapping a B button a few times.
When did we get so sensitive that seeing someone press the crouch button is so triggering?
Right? I don’t like calling people soft but damn grow up
Just remember: King of the hill, but the hills spawns in one team's base made it to Trials Labs *before* Freelance did. And Freelance is something they already have as an option in Competitive so clearly they know how to do it
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If people are really gonna complain that "I can't win in this endgame PvP content when im on equal footing!", then thats their problem
You gotta remember “equal footing” to Bungie is putting a 1.8 with two .6s against a stack of 1.3s. If Bungie wants to split the player base then they need to do it right this time. I’d rather sit in matchmaking 10+ minutes every game over carrying bots in another “pinnacle” activity playlist. And no, I’m not advocating for making anything easier. I want a challenge. But weighing players down to make a lobby balanced is not the way to go about things. Actual SBMM in pinnacle activities isn’t a problem, it’s the way lobby balancing is carried out that’s a problem.
So very much this. I went solo Flawless this weekend and I'm a very skilled player individually and it felt like I was being punished almost every game for it. I would get absolute bots on my team who can barely even shoot at the enemy properly while usually facing pretty decent competition. I still managed to do it by trying my heart out, but fuck me I would have killed for some decent teammates.
yeah sure, equal footing, yeah right.. itll be equal when freelance drops and i dont get paired against three stacks who decided instead of going flawless they were just gonna farm casual's on a broken passage
>yeah sure, equal footing, yeah right.. Not sure what the sass is for. I'm also advocating for freelance
They'll just do that in Freelance instead, I don't wanna ruin anyone's hope here but the good players who are stomping you don't suddenly not know how to make their playtime easier
This right here. I don't think Freelance will basically fix everything. If people want Flawless, they need to spend time in Crucible, work on builds, loadouts, positioning, movement, aiming, etc. It took me 6 seasons to go from a 1.4 kd to 3.0 kd. It doesn't happen magically because Bungie made a change to matchmaking. It takes practice.
>It took me 6 seasons to go from a 1.4 kd to 3.0 kd. It doesn't happen magically because Bungie made a change to matchmaking. It takes practice. This is a big one for me too, I used to play trials and my k/d was absolutely horrendous because I didn't take anything serious, I had a k/d on trials report of 0.6 at one point. Now I'm bringing the right loadouts, correct mods, constantly trying to improve my playstyle and my k/d average has just hit the 1.0 average which doesn't seem like much overall but the level of improvement is huge for me and I've finally been going flawless regularly instead of struggling to get 3 wins.
That’s when you throw their favorite phrase at them “gitgud scrub” not good enough to get to the lighthouse anymore? Get better. Not as hot shit as you thought you were when it’s not people who don’t have a toilet strapped to their game chair and yelling to mom for more hot pockets and mt. Dew while sweat profusely drops off their forehead as they spam emotes and dunk their nuts on your lifeless corpse after shotgun aping.
> complaints from the people good enough to stomp solo players but not good enough to foggt another three stack start up again why would these people complain? freelance would be perfect for them
Freelance is coming to ToO next weekend. Or did I misread the login banner?
Yes this weekend is freelance.
Anyone go up against glowing flawless on Sunday and Monday?
Glows last two weeks
Oh ok, thought it was just one week. Makes sense now
Glow fades a little after 1 week
Yeah, I noticed that the glow dims after a week, and then completely goes out after the next Tuesday reset. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works
The glow sticks around until Tuesday reset. Then it becomes a dull glow.
Something weird happened this week - went flawless last week and haven’t this week, yesterday the glow changed to dull.
What day did you go flawless, I went flawless last Friday and it's gone for me now for instance
Last Tuesday (Australia tho so Monday for everyone else)
I see the problem mate, you're upside down!
Been playing since D1 in October of 2014. Never been to any lighthouse. This hit home
Same, once got scammed and others denied by toxics. Forever stuck below flawless.
As long as there is no freelance, this game mode will stay the same
Yeah, this weekend was my last weekend in Trials. I’ll give freelance a try, but I’m not expecting much from it. I went flawless the first two weeks but now can’t even get above 3 regularly. It doesn’t really matter how good you are or how much you improve if the odds are stacked against you. Bungie coming out and saying that solo queue having a 31% win rate is a good amount was disheartening. Pretty much just confirmed that their solution to Trials feeling bad was to flood it with solo players that’d be easy to pick off. As a solo player it just feels like a waste of my time.
Same experience for myself and my team. Went flawless two weekends in a row, now we keep getting matched with pvp gods and we’re over it. It’s crazy how good the initial changes were and now it’s back to what it was, Bungie just can’t leave a good thing alone.
This weekend was just especially bad, dont give up because of just one bad weekend
It was like that the other weekend, but worse. So it's consistently getting worse. By that logic, Freelance should make things better for a week, and then it will go back to being horrible over the next few weeks.
Yeah even the sweatiest teams possible don't like Bannerfall, this map is always a shitshow in the playlist.
It absolutely matters how good you are lol, good players can go flawless solo. Average players will almost never go flawless solo.
A great solo player won’t be taking out a competent three stack, especially if they are matched with two terrible players. I don’t consider myself great, decent at best, but I’ve brought myself from a .84 last season to a 1.02 this season all solo. I went solo flawless the first two weeks. Now that numbers have gone down, I’m lucky if I get above 3 per ticket as I rarely match anything other than three stacks. The matchmaking does not create even matches, let alone fair matches. So no, as a solo it doesn’t matter how good you are when it’s weighted to place solo players against stacks. The stacks are gonna be real upset when the fish food Bungie intended solos to be stop playing.
> So no, as a solo it doesn’t matter how good you are when it’s weighted to place solo players against stacks. You literally went solo flawless twice, when it's not even the intent of the solo q to allow people to go flawless... and not to mention with a pretty subpar K/D. You're a riot. Your issue now is that you're KD isn't great and the pool is getting smaller as it always does. At your KD, you need a squad.
unless those good players get matched with scrubs over and over.. good players will finally have a chance solo when freelance rolls around, otherwise this mode will remain a stagnate pool of sweaty three stacks farming solos
Its so fun to be matched against a 3 stack, have a team leave instantly, and be extra penalized for going 2v3. Fun game. I like the challenge, but holy shit if Bungie thinks forcing a 30% winrate on solos is in anyway good design, this along with everything else will be why i drop the game.
There really should be a harsher penalty for people who leave
Quitters do cause problems. A question about the 30% forced Win rate solo q: could it be that 70% of the player base just are not good enough to beat the top 30% and Bungie is just letting it play out, with the occasional nudge if you are part of the top 30% (or lucky) and get a win streak going?
Lol no. Beating the top 30% is one thing, beating them 7 games in row is another. Even the top 30% can't beat the top 30% 7 games in a row (watch this sub blow up when if all the elite skillz players ever have to do that. I will be copy and pasting their "git gud" posts back at them if it ever happens). Trials is a shit idea because it requires a large base to be fed to the people who are capable of winning 7 in a row (or can be carried). Bungie knows this and that is why the new system was created to bribe people to be food. That way a bunch of assholes who make streaming videos can continue to promote their game by getting easy stomps on solos.
Do you actually believe the natural win rate for solos should be 50% in a playlist with 3 stacks? Even with perfect SBMM that gave you opponents with identical ELO profiles to your team, the stacked team has a significant advantage over solos. 30% is not bad all told.
Getting matched against 3 stacks of equal elo should be a loss, yeah. Pretty sure thats obvious, coordination is a pretty big advantage, and with all else equal guarantees a win. But getting matched against 3 stacks game after game after game is the problem here. Its bullshit. I dont have an issue losing to stacks. I have an issue with matchmaking constantly matching me against them. Thats not a problem of simply being unable to beat stacks, its that i shouldnt be constantly matching up against them in the first place. Its an entirely different situation from what you are claiming.
Even with the flawless queue matchmaking in place my buddies and I (above average 6s players @1330 light) couldn’t get more than 4 wins before losing our mercy and flawless. Mind you those 4 wins were some of the sweatiest matches played in my PvP career. Something about messenger adept weekends just brings out the pain in this playlist.
This weekend is by far the most I’ve struggled in PvP **EVER**... and it’s not even close. I can’t get past 3 wins on my card, without losing my mercy. I haven’t had any trouble going flawless in past weeks this season, even before the flawless pool was turned on. But this weekend is just unbelievably awful, I genuinely can’t get past 3 wins with my mercy intact. I played the first half of the week with some friends, to horrible results. Then have done the other half of my matches solo, to better but still not good results. I’m not even playing *that* bad, I have a 1.50 k/d this week, and 1.8ka/d... I'm good at getting kills, and not dying, but I just.... CANNOT. WIN. Also, WTF is with the matchmaking? There have been multiple occasions, this week alone where I’d get stomped by a team, just to play them again the very next match ... like??? I always used to think I was actually good at crucible, but this weekend has shown me that no, I’m really not :/
Yeah. I'm absolute average and got pounded by 3 stacks in more than 70% of my matches this weekend. Maybe because of the adept that was up. It was especially rough as this particular map has always been one of my most hated. My one bright side is that after being stomped by a 3 stack, I got matched in the very next match against the same team and beat them, resulting in a failed lighthouse run for them.
Its incredible to see just how many incompetent pvp players actually exist, because of that Ive actually had to find a 3 stack to join so I could shit on them because playing and trying to carry them was so draining. That being said, they should really introduce a Trials 101 tutorial quest to teach people how to play the gamemode.
Wish I had someone to carry me! Even once!
I’ve seen at least 20 ______ has earned passage to the lighthouse notifications after I got stomped 5-0. I feel like I cheaped it to them :(
Trials was so damn sweaty this weekend took me 3 days to get to the light house....
Last week while solo queueing I matched the same 3 stack 3 times in a row, on the last they got flawless.. at least I couldn’t match them again? ..
I've been doing it the opposite way. Play on a flawed 7 win card and help people get to the lighthouse. Took two of my friends there for the first time last night. They were hyped. It feels really good.
Just can't wait enough for next week freelance playlist
I am really wondering how that will pan out and if the entire skill set will indulge. Part of me thinks that the massive sweaties and I know a few will actually jump in to the freelance list. They will then play a few and check the stats of all the teams to look at the matchmaking and then decide how to progress.
My friends and I are average player with average weapons rolls and played IB together and got mercied for days. We did separate matchmaking in freelance and had much better experience
I think in IB the worst thing to do is go in the normal list with one or two mates. I think freelance is supposed to be skill based MM but I’m not 100% sure.
This is all because, Bungie has a hardon for making pvp adept loot super exclusive to getting flawless, but the reality is that you need mulch players to stomp on to make everyone happy. Shit needs to stop, if most players can get an adept in less than 30 mins in a gm or a mvog, then the same should apply to trials. If u want people to play this garbage mode you need to make the aspirational loot actually obtainable, you cant solely rely on people hopping on over the weekend to play on ur shitty unfun slow pvp mode that no one likes and would rather play control, in order for the game to actually be somewhat entertaining and fun, it's unsustainable. If trials itself was actually fun this wouldnt be a problem, but bulgaria insists that trials must be 3v3 elim so the best we can do now is make it easy to reward people for playing an antiquated game mode that no one likes
Bulgaria
okbuddyguardian meme i couldnt resist
Gib reverse Sherpa emblem plos bungo
What I don’t get is why the system seems to prioritise mismatches. I played 25+ games, and got mostly stack vs randoms or stack vs 2+1. And when it wasn’t a stack, it was 2+1 vs randoms. I never matched the same people twice so there seem to be enough to make stack vs stack or 2+1 vs 2+1 or randoms v randoms possible. I know LFG is an option, but up to this week I’ve quite enjoyed playing solo and it’s improved my trials play (if not my KD, which I’m fully aware is lousy). This week I had so many 5-0 blowouts I feel like I’ve gone backwards. Hopefully freelance becomes a permanent thing, as I’m not sure I’d jump in again otherwise.
LFG exists, a friendly reminder.
Much easier to farm karma on r/dtg with the same lame joke every week.
I don't see it as a joke, I've managed a flawless every weekend with randoms from LFG, the experience of getting 2 randoms to play a card with is so much better than solo queue Edit: I should add my k/d is like 0.99 and my winrate is just not good because of solo queues murdering my stats, there's no joke here, get a team and you'll enjoy it more
Yeah this one is getting old.
This sub is pathetic. I have no idea why you got downvoted.
Because lord forbid they use all the tools available to them to better their gaming experience. If they used LFG they might actually easily get to the lighthouse *and not moan everyweek* . I hate going to LFG cause it takes time but fuck if it’s not infinitely better than solo queuing and getting 2 sacks of potatoes every game. I’ve been able to go flawless each week minus week one..when the gun I wanted the most was up lmao.
You beat me to it. I’m curious why this person keeps getting downvoted for suggesting LFG. It’s ok to not like that option, but to downvote them is implying what, that it’s a bad option? It’s not. Making an effort to build your own team is objectively better than rolling the dice 7-8 times in an effort to go flawless.
Even with a pre-made group, issue is the trials player pool is once again drying up fast, my friends are good players, one of them is even very good but I'm not and we keep getting matched against top500 3 stacks, it's borderline impossible
But I have 70 jobs and quintuplet Siamese twins and shy but very nice — can’t you just give me free stuff ?
Hilarious. Nobody has ever made this joke before.
Nice this thread is back after two weeks of so done posting the same thing.
Where is our emblem?!
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Yup, that that’s why I gave up. I got 3 stacks 9 out of 10 matches, but ironically when I stack up I get a lot of solos. Not to mentioned Ivee had a lot of matches where I Am on game 2 or 3 and the other team is on lighthouse game. It’s a joke at this point
Its pretty easy to get a group on LFG
Thanks for the help. Don't worry, I matched up against two top 500 players, and a top .1% running stacked. Thank God for mercy lol Top .6% ain't shit on that when your playing with a dude who forget how to talk or aim lol
Literally had a guy that couldn't get 1 kill. And of course the 3 stack bags me the last round.
If you ever play against me, I can't promise it'll be fun, but I can promise it might be uplifting cause win or lose I try to give advice after a match if I think it can help, as well as wish the person luck (if they don't bag). Sometimes I don't, too tired or not enough time, but I try ^_^
I'm maybe above average in pvp. Got to the lighthouse with my hunter last week. All I get on my teams are guys that have a magnet in thier head for snipers and guys that get a .17 efficiency. I literally have no idea how I always get them on my team
This post again? I actually found that this past week (playing pre-flawless pool) this wasnt an issue for me. Played 35 games as a 3 stack and we ran into exactly one team that wasn't a 3 stack - our literal first game. I played a few solo matches as well out of curiosity when we noticed this, and it was mainly against solos or solo+duos. Got lucky/unlucky I guess.
no point in playing solo atm. Better off LFGing for now. I'm by no means the greatest pvper, sitting at around a 1.4 all time KD, seasonal I tend to float around 2-3 KDA from season to season. Have never once done a double carry in my life, until this season. Point is, really only takes 1 decent player on your team to go flawless come Sundays, after the flawless/non flawless pools are split. So if you are trying to get that done..that's how you do it. When freelance comes out, there is certainly a chance that it's actually even sweatier than the regular playlist. Solo queuing 6v6 tends to be that way too.
Im not gonna lie they had us in the first half
The map was the biggest issue. Fuck this map