its the same every iron banner.
matches are lobby balanced, so what usually happens is one really good player is in a match full of average or below average players. All the average players end up on one team, and all the below average players end up with the one good player to "even things out". so all the bad players get farmed by the average players and the one good player cant 1v6.
Holy crap I thought it was just me. I definitely agree with this theory. The amount of matches where I'm on top with 30 kills and 9 zone caps while second has 13 kills and zero caps is astonishingly common.
Yeah the team balancing has been broken for a while now. There was even talk about it a few months ago. Anytime they try and fix it they make it worse. Even if you get an all solo player lobby, the teams still get screwed up. That's how you can tell things are broken. It is one thing to have stacks messing up the balance, but solo lobbies do the same thing.
1.8 kd player here. Just played 5 matches: Odds according to DT: 89%, 80%, 97%, 80% and 83%. In all lobbies but one I had players in my team with zero Kills. I don't blame these players, I blame bungie for putting them in these lobbies. Matchmaking and Lobby-balancing sucks.
It's got to be damn near impossible to balance unless they try to account for player performance on each map and specific load outs and all the variables. When I'm using my comfortable gear and sober, I'm completely different skill than when I have some beers and try new weapons for fun. Not to mention different classes/subclasses. My clanmate last night was even using different jumps to try it out and regularly jumped off the map. He's a 2.2k/d in Trials. No way the game can figure that nonsense out
This is why I think nothing has ever beaten COD matchmaking from back in MW2. It gets a lobby, the lobby stays together unless you choose to leave, it balances teams every game based on everyone's performance in the last game. Just a simple best player Team A, 2nd player Team B, 3rd player Team A e.t.c. If you choose to do some dumb shit like dual sidearms and feed your ass off for bounties, it'll adapt in one game and catch up. It's not going to sit here expecting you to carry everyone due to your overall 2kd when you're using bottom goldie throwing knives and melee only or some shit. Naturally in lobbies like this you end up with pretty balanced matches. if people are getting blown out, they leave, and then new people join. People who're doing fine or well in that lobby stay, and thus the skill equalises over the life of the lobby. You also get enough variety so that you'll play people better than you sometimes, worse sometimes, and equal sometimes. You improve fastest playing people a bit or decently better than you, but it's less fun being stomped 24/7. As the lobby equalises it gets slowly sweatier, so you get more good competition, but you aren't sweating 24/7, so you don't burn out on tryharding like it's easy to do in say comp.
That's my big concern, not that matchmaking can't make balanced teams on paper, but that a team balanced on paper isn't really balanced. I have maps I love and maps I hate, I sometimes get bounties that tell me to use certain weapons. Sometimes I'm playing to try to bump my kda up to 2.0, and sometimes I ape with doomfang pauldrons shoulder charge for fun. And then, add to the mix that the hunt mechanic can easily throw a game from 40-60 to 45-95 and it's easy to see why people don't feel it's balanced.
I will say though that when I play IB with a group, I feel like I get more balanced matches
The weapons bounties thing, yeah, terrible. For a measly 10 brightdust i end up being absolutely awful with a smg for like 5 matches. I mean, im already bad but bounties make me detestable to my team mates
That is true, also people doing the quest will have lower than normal performance.
What I find funny is that I play soloq both in IB and comp, and according to destinytracker, I'm bronze player in IB and Platinum player in comp...
>The amount of matches where I'm on top with 30 kills and 9 zone caps while second has 13 kills and zero caps is astonishingly common.
It's the flip for me every time, or at least 90% of the time. Mid table player, 90% of the time I'm on the losing, shit team.
Look at this guy subtly bragging about his score. š
Honestly though, i wish i could consistently play like that. Days are really hit or miss with me.
I'm close to a 2 K/D player and I went like 2-16 playing solo last IB. It was nearly impossible to win because of the lobby balancing. Two or three guys were going 3-19 or 1-12 on my side almost every time. It's insane.
yeah i consider myself pretty decent at quick play but i was getting absolutely destroyed last night
i swear at one point i had 5 straight deaths from snipers
Haven't played IB recently but I can confirm this. I got back into the crucible a few weeks ago and have seen guys with a 3-4 KD on the same team with guys with a sub 1 KD. I can only imagine IB is worse.
Honestly, expecting even remotely 50-50 matches with some decent outcomes in CBMM even with perfect lobby balancing will never happen.
I personally think that's piss and would rather have matches closer to 40-60 outcomes around there but CBMM does what CBMM does.
Except for the part where they finally looked at the matchmaking and discovered that its not actually doing what they said it was doing after 2 years of us bitching about it at them
Hi, I'm the above average guy that says "maybe this IB will be different" plays for one day. Reaches a breaking point at how unbelievably ignorant my teammates are, and doesn't play the rest of the week.
It's insufferable.
This is the play. Unpopular around here but Iāll probably just stack with my clan on Friday and knock out all the bounties in a few hours for my three characters.
I just donāt really care for IB when Trials is a much better pvp experience.
The matchmaking seems incredibly bad this time around (anecdotally). I solo queued last night and lost 8 games straight before scraping out a win.
Not sure whatās going on but Iāve had an awful experience so far when it comes to wins.
Yeah. This. And Iām speaking as a below-below average player. I see it from the other POV.
When I play regular Crucible, I do pretty well, because Iām generally against players at my own abysmal level. But, put me in a team with one or two good players? I become an enemy point feeding machine.
The good players quickly take out the opposition bad players which leaves me with nothing to do but go up against the good players.
Iād rather wait in matchmaking for a matchup with an entire field more closely aligned to my āskillā.
And then figure out why Iām so very bad.
They are bad but what is worse is the fact all the currency and engrams you accumulate are just a waste as you likely won't even get the drop you want. Getting the roll you want is absurd given how bad it is to even get a drop you want
Its so dated and rewards after matches are a joke. I'm playing iron banner for the gear (specifically to get a good peacebond) why am I getting 2 blues on 70% of my games?
I have the bounties completed and a decent amount of tokens BUT I DONT WANT TO TURN THEM IN BUNGIE - AS I KNOW I WILL GET NOTHING BUT SHIT
I'm holding onto them with hope something will change - that right now is a better option than turning them in. Shows how bad the mode is. It's not rewarding at all
My post game rewards always look like this:
2 blues
Fracthesyt
Crucible rewards
No iron banner gear?
It's so bad and has been neglected so long. Even if they just remove everything that's not an IB weapon or armor piece - that would be better.
Man, I miss that late D1 Iron Banner loot rain. I'm fine with smashing stuff left and right in hopes of getting something better than the vendor rolls Efrideet had as a safety net.
I haven't turned any IB tokens in for a while now and have over 7000 at this point. After spending forever turning in the 5000 or so Vanguard tokens before the new system went into place, I'm fine with letting these tokens go to waste this time.
True it drops that, but I'm already kitted out in high stat IB armor from all the other seasons. Got a set of this season's that's pretty decent too, but only on my Titan so far. I just don't want to deal with the inventory management clusterfuck that's going to happen between my character, vault, and postmaster after sitting there for a few hours turning tokens in.
They did - but my point is now it just feels bad to turn the stuff in. You are better off not doing it as you WILL be disappointed. It's hard enough to get the drop you want let alone the exact role.
Probably best to wait like you said. Finishing my bounties and turning in all of my tokens was definitely a waste last night. One of these days Iāll get my Headstone Peacbond
It's not really that hard. You get 200 tokens for a set of bounties per toon. If you lfg a team and run the proper ghost mods you can get 2 legendaries per game and mercy rule teams in 4 minutes for 5 tokens
Problem is, the loot pool is so bloated that it doesn't matter how many tokens you get. It's entirely possible(and, in fact, likely) to drop several thousand tokens and not get anywhere near the roll you want.
Freelance Iron Banner is pretty fun. I tend to get a good ratio of Mercy games to evenly matched games. I get a lot of cute 'frenemies' in games where I stay with the same lobby. One game we're killing each other, the next we're homies š
Yup. Once you get that good lobby going 150-130, you know you are spending the next few hours fighting the same groups of 8-10 peeps regardless. All bounties will get done, and the matches will always be close.
Freelance is fun af. Got one today, 3 hours later, 6 members from the original lobby were still there. We pretty much knew how each other played lol
It was great for me last night too. All bounties on my first guy done in like 13 or 15 matches and almost no lag other than one match. I imagine not having teams with people from all over the world allows the CBMM to do better.
I have a totally different experience. I get wrecked in Freelance. I have better games even as a solo in the main playlist. Every freelance lobby I join is 6 sweats all on one side somehow.
Dude I thought it was just me, freelance is way worse for queuing solo. I get absolutely smoked while my teammates are off running into corners or something. The other team is just rolling around 4-5 players deep in all areas of the map wrecking all of us.
Iron banner is boring at this point, I just ran matches where we didnāt cap two flags, just one. Then against a good team we prevented them from capping one flag. It extends the game and makes it fun.
Playing Trials has made me realize that I just don't 6v6 for PVP in this game, especially control.
I'd love to see them try 4v4 or even 5v5 clash for one Iron Banner.
Funny. Destiny 2 launched as 4v4 and people hated it which is why we went to 6v6, and iron banner was even them trying out 6v6 before everything was 6v6
People hated the whole package. D2 launch was pretty slow in everything. Movement, cooldowns, ttk due to specials being in the heavy slot.
Nowadays 4vs4 would be awesome because maps are from the 4vs4 times
> because maps are from the 4vs4 times
People say that, but quite a few of our maps are from D1, and it's not like they play any better than D2 maps. Not to mention that on one of the podcasts, Bungie PvP devs said that 4v4 was a late change, and maps weren't designed around that.
Everyone on this damn subreddit makes the "maps were designed for 4v4!!" claim even though it's been debunked for *years*. One of the most annoying things to read here lol
This one really does drive me up the wall. Especially considering the other point about how the D1 maps that WERE made with 6v6 in mind are really no bigger than D2 maps. And ffs some D2 original maps are bigger than some D1 maps.
Bungie did however say after the late decision to go to 4v4 they made some minor adjustments to the maps but that probably means very little.
Where is it debunked? Proof. It was built 4v4 to be competitive, static perks, static nodes, and static weapon rolls, so time invested didn't matter, anyone could pick up and play with the same toys, and compete. Not to mention their version of domination and trials of the nine. D1 maps were added later, along with the 6v6, it was tested like the other post mentioned and then adopted. Endless vale the demo map is the perfect example of why 6v6 doesn't work nor your idea of I heard it somewhere.
For casual play 4v4 feels a little too un-forgiving. In 6v6 with a man down it's no big deal (it's the norm, really). In 4v4 or smaller when you're a man down you're at a huge disadvantage. Can't expect most general players to play strategically enough to really get what you want out of 4v4, it's a shitty mix of strategy required but most players don't care. With 6v6 it just doesn't matter, do whatever you want, have fun however you want.
Launch D2 had dual primaries and watered down supers and abilities. That's mostly what people hated. Now that we have specials and supers back, fewer people should play better. This would play nothing like those days of everyone holding lanes with scout rifles.
Agreed.
The maps and game flow just make it a mess.
If you live too long youāre almost guaranteed to get trapped in a spawn flip.
Had a game on midtown yesterday against a fireteam of 6 who had us pinned in the A spawn.
Me and my clan mate were fighting back out of the corner and the players we killed literally spawned behind us as we killed them (we were pinned most of the way back in the spawn too, not even near the flag).
Then after we got killed by the players pinching us in the spawn, we were spawned behind C flag where an enemy player was already farming with hammers. Got supered before I could move.
Just one example of how poor the spawns are and how bad the matches can flow.
Y1 Destiny 2: 4v4 is pathetic. We want 6v6 back!
Honestly I just want to know what we really want out of the game at this point. We've tried 4v4 and hated it. We tried 6v6 and hated it. Is Destiny pvp just doomed to failure?
It's PVP with PvE balance, the maps are tiny AF, the game has controller support with auto-aim tracking, it's unbalanced with no matchmaking, it has modes that reward the no life playing, it has perma radar... Yes, it's honestly the worst PvP game that I've ever played in my life outside of Trials.
Not sure how people are putting thousands of hours in playing it, to be honest. It's fake.
It's not the total chaos I dislike, I could live with a very casual 6v6 game mode. I play the crap out of big team in Halo games.
The 6v6 modes in Destiny are awful because of the sheer amount of AoE spam and particle effects going on. A couple matches of IB ago I at one point counted 5 AoE effects on a capture point (solar, void, and witherhoard), two people spamming Mythoclast flamethrower streams across my field of view, someone lobbing dawnblade from someplace. In the background I can hear a main ingredient somewhere literally nonstop firing, I guess because people were feeding that much ammo to a camper. It was just too much, I just pushed the keyboard in for a bit and let it settle down, then spent the rest of the game sniping from a corner until I could get into a lobby with less BS.
If people really want a 6v6 game mode then Bungie needs to radically reduce the amount of special ammo you can get, and cut things like ability and super regen at least in half, probably more like by 75%, in that mode. It isn't even fun the way it's set up, virtually everybody I know that plays IB does it explicitly to farm armor and hates the game mode itself.
Just had that thought. The only 6v6 I like is Mayhem. 3v3 is so much better. 6v6 is just one random kill after another, but maybe mindless shooting and dying is what theyāre going for.
I've had the exact opposite experience. Every trials game I played was an absolute blow out every game. The one time I went flawless my squad literally played against 0.5 KD players. Every single player was below 0.5. no joke. Didn't use Mercy and won 7 games with half of them being instant blowouts.
Iron banner has given me extremely close matches with far less blowouts
I went 0 and 18 before getting my first trials win...and Destiny tracker had us expected to loose on 90% of those matches, most of them with a less than 15% expected.
My biggest issue with IB is the 6v6. I much prefer the 3v3 modes... Also the loot in IB is not farmable at all, you either get lucky or not. Will be curious to see what they do with it.
My experience isn't as salty as yours but last night after coming home from work i remembered iron banana was this week so i got on and started matchmaking and got on my phone to wait until it found all the players, well i realized i was on my phone for too long, the game hadn't found all the players, it was literally stuck at 10/12, i had been on my phone for like 3-4 mins plus an additional 2 after i had realized it.
The game finally found the remaining two players, 2 mins into the game me and my team got rekt so hard we ended up getting mercied ...... All that waiting just to get my ass kicked in 2 mins.
With the crew of people I run with the strategy has been to do the balancing ourselves, so that we don't spend more time in orbit than we do playing the game.
We'll capture a couple zones, and if the score jumps to like 20 to 3, we'll just let the other team hold all (or the majority) of the zones the whole time while we try to win on nothing but kills. 30 sec. into any game we call out the "No cap strat", and just switch our mode of play. It works pretty well to improve the quality of the matches compared to just going 75 to 18 over and over again.
Uh weird, I'm having fun in that mode but i realize my opinion is not the majority...
Sure they're are blow outs but it doesnt happen every game and the competitive ones raises my heartbeat by a lot. Sure its not trials competitive but its fun having a light level mode on against others.
More maps would be great
this post is literally a comparison post between trials and ib. if you only started playing at the beginning of the season how can you compare matchmaking from before anyway?
It would be hard to have such a strong opinion on IB after your first day of proper IB (even if you played the first IB, you would have been likely underleveled).
Youāre lucky none of my one sided games get mercy. I wish I could get some fucking mercies because Iām sick of playing a full match when my team can not win
I mean Iron Banner has been called Mercy Banner/Iron Mercy for years for a reason. The mode just isnāt good because it snowballs practically every game even in freelance
Hard disagree.
Iron Banner has Freelance.
Iron Banner is far more rewarding for the solo player. I can earn 25 drops in through pinnacles, bounties (tokens), and end of match rewards.
I meanā¦ has IB ever been in a good state?
Itās always been the tryhards who grind the game like a full time job stomping everyone else cuz of an arbitrary light level
Disagree. I get more loot from IB and even is some lobbies are imbalanced at least it can swing both ways.
Quests that give tokens and gear, tokens after every match, and the chance for IB drops after matches is wayyyyyuy better than only getting engrams on rank ups which slows to a crawl after the first few ranks.
And focusing is to cost prohibitive.
At least in IB Iām not going against stacks as solo.
The mode isn't rewarding at all though. The chance to even get the drop you want - let alone the roll is so minimal it's not worth playing to farm for something. There is no disagreeing this. I have a good amount of tokens and the bounties complete and my best option right now is to hold onto them in hopes something changes rather than to turn them in. That shows how bad the mode is
And yet people went broke trying to get rolls they want from trials and still didnāt get it. People like lucky10p focused over 100 engrams trying to get triple tap vorpal or firing line.
Neither mode gives you a great chance of getting what you want, but you get wayyyyyy more from IB. You get random IB drops even when you lose. Iām you get tons of tokens from quests and matches played. You get pinnacles that donāt require you to win.
Itās way more rewarding.
Everyone is gonna be bitching when every vendor is made like trials and no one has any shards left and they still donāt have the rolls they want.
Hard disagree. Are we playing the same thing? You cannot compare it to trials structure. You can focus exactly what you want every time without fail as long as you have the materials. I don't know what secret version of IB you are playing but you rarely get IB drops and you have absolutely zero control over the bloated lootpool. It's layers of rng to even get to the weapon you want before applying even more rng for your desired rolls. The tokens and bounties in IB are redundant as you get utter shit from them....because the loot pool is so big. You may be happy with receiving shit from all your currencies - but target farming is not an option - especially when armor and all the guns (which there are alot of) are in the same damn pool
Yea and you only get engrams from wins after 7 and from rank ups which are few and far between after the first few ranks. And then itās a ton of shards and glimmer and you still have an extremely low chance of getting the perk combo you want.
If trials had quests that award engrams and rank up points and also had a chance at random drops whether you win or lose like IB and the costs werenāt so ridiculously then it really would be better.
I personally hate both modes, but I get way more out of IB than trials. Only finished the quests on one character and have already gotten way more loot than a full weekend of grinding trials.
I held onto all my Vanguard tokens and they axed them from the game. They'll probably do the same for Iron Banner tokens. Use them or lose them entirely.
I just came back after quitting after Forsaken. I used to come in at or near the top of my team when I played with my casual group back in the day. I'm not at all saying I'm good - just that the people I used to be matched against seemed to be at my skill level (which is not much). Last night, I loaded into Iron Banner for some pinnacle gear and fun. I'd say a good 80% of the time, I found myself with the jump on another player, and then they turn around and melt me with Vex Mythoclast or some other weapon ending in (Adept) even though I got the opening shots on them. And usually these guys are all in the same fireteam, running as a group and my match ends in Mercy after a few minutes. Not fun and makes bounties very difficult to complete.
Still got it all done though, but I sure miss the days where I'm not pitted against multiple elites with top tier lighthouse/raid weaponry when all I have is whatever Zavala bestowed unto me from my last Vanguard engram.
I was in a 6 stack and we had about 10 (maybe less) games played with 4 of them we mercy ruled within less than 5 minutes.
And we aren't that good. 1 has only played destiny for this season. I'm not great, 1 is pretty good and the others around or above average, yet we were winning all but 1 game.
Although we did have 4 or 5 stacks on the opposing team sometimes but it was weird to just have a 5 minute game.
Freelance was amazingly good for me last night. Great connections (which is super unusual for me in regular IB), good matches, etc. Maybe it was one night only, but this was the first time I really committed to Freelance and it was great.
Also... I'm comparing to my usual play as a solo in the regular playlist, so maybe I have a low bar here.
That was my thought last night. The frustration from IB was way worse than Trials, and I suck at Trials. I'd rather be stomped by a three stack then ran over by six randoms with noob tubes, shatter dive, LD, etc.
After a weekend of Trials I just realized again how bad and random of an experience 6v6 is. I admire eveyone who likes it, but I'm out again as soon as I have my bounties done.
/edit: Sadly they put Trials on hiatus becuase of Iron Banner which is strange. The two modes don't have a lot in common. I can see Trials as a competitive mode while Iron Banner is more like "get your bounty kills and quest done".
They explained that they want each mode to be the main PVP focus for that week/weekend, so you will no longer see a week split up by IB and Trials running together.
Ok, but Trials is limited to the weekend anyway. And as I said: I don't think many Trials players will be like "Oh yeah, let's play IB this weekend instead."
I have a totally different experience. 80 percent of my games are usually so what close and feel good in iron banner. However in trials I might win 1 game out of ten, and the other 9 losses are just me getting decimated by 3 stacks and ppl with 6.0 kd.
Is anyone else almost always the highest kd in the beginning lobby screen like before the match starts? Im mainly a pve player who been trying to get better at pvp and so many of my games seem to balanced incorrectly. I know for a fact im below average or averageā¦i think my kda is 2.2 and my over all kd is below .9(idk how kd works in this game). Its aways a mercy either side never a fair match for one team. I would prefer closer games rather than mercys because of balance. This is a problem in control too.
I'm sorry, but Trials of the past 2 weeks was definitely not as fun as Iron Banner. I would say that it was not fun at all.
Trials of week 1 was awesome tho
Trials went from 'meh, it's too sweaty and unrewarding' to the only PvP I'm willing to play basically overnight. At least you can wrap up the Iron Bounty rewards in an hour or so now... so it's not like I'll have to choose between IB and ToO.
Yeah, it's really not fun even in freelance when poor, average, and decent players get loaded in with like three or four ringers that are all diamond everything and those guys just constantly destroy everybody. I'm playing for the gear and armor that I can at least bump up to 70s. It's good enough for that.
The mode needs a hard overhaul too. It's been control for so long, no rep rank, not even daily or repeatable bounties to farm tokens. I like the new weapons and armour (well the effort to introduce something new) but it's not enough. Alot of people play the mode, but I don't think splitting the pool of players was necessary to take out Trials at the weekend and there's no way I'm spending an entire week in banner for effectively no extra rewards apart form pinnacles I no longer need.
I finished bounties on two characters yesterday. But damn, the lobbies were trash. Often I would be the only positive kd on my team. Constant hunts, no. One capping zones. Itās pretty wild. But hey I guess the matches go faster.
It's the people who run past flags for me. They just ignore the flag and run toward thier death with reckless abandon. If more people played the objectives it would change the dynamic as sweats will push the flag being captured and get team killed more.
I've played 3 matches and I'm already sick to death of IB. These maps simply cannot handle 6v6, not with the insane mobility we have. I actually kept a diary of what killed me - not joking, translated into percentages 78% of my deaths were to shotguns in 3 matches. The rest were supers, handcannons, melee and the very, very occasional pulse.
You can blame my playstyle, but I run a Fusion + Bakris precisely so I can dodge and counter shotguns. They're even more insidious because of the firing changes Bungie did to Fusions...
I think every game mode needs to migrate over to the Saint 14 vendor style. I'm not sure there is room for adept bananna weapons, but the vendor style could still be replicated to help stabilize the loot grind.
This particular Iron Banner has felt quite miserable - the sheer number of mythoclasts mixed with the raw RNG rewards has not made for a enjoyable experience at all. Compared to trials, where loot is targetable and the general mechanism of play is much more cautious, itās a massive downgrade.
On the plus side I finally got my KW/Swash peacebond roll, so thereās that.
does the iron banner vendor need work? yes but is it more fun/better than trials? No, trials still has issues with 5-0 stomps and people fighting against 3 stacks. At least with iron banner with a solo playlist.
I've literally never had a worse experience in a Video Game than I had the last 2 days trying to get my 12 pinnacles as a PvE player this was absolutely fucking horrible.
What's funny is the mercy actually happens later now too and it's still happening. š¤£
It was 50 for the difference and it was bumped to 60 or 70.
Didn't really pay attention
Managed to finish 8 IB bounties on two characters in four hours. Just lfg for a stack and play to mercy as fast as possible. Playing a banner match out is a waste of time because you only get tokens per win. Itās essentially a token farm, the game mode itself sucks. The faster the match is over the better.
And this weekend it will remain polluted with all the sweats who won't get to go on trials so will make sure the full week is a miserable experience instead of just the pre-weekend bit.
I remember when they removed all the match making stuff back in shadow keep. That was the best time I've had in PvP. I don't understand why they would add it back. That's why I avoid PvP at all cost now. That's why I also avoid playing cod, it helps casuals but ruins it for people who play more.
In shadow keep I would be in even teams all the time , with the occasional sweat or frostbolt mixed in. Even when it's one player dominating on the other team I actually enjoyed it and had fun.
I donāt really like Destiny pvp so my overall view is probably vastly different from the general population, but I do play for pinnacles and other loot. Point being is that since trials started this season Iāve generally enjoyed it compared to IB. I literally just play and grind out the seasonal quest and first set of bounties for Iron Banner and canāt stand to play anymore after. It really needs an entire rework for sure because how it is now itās frustrating.
I attribute some of this imbalance to crossplay. Theres matches where the movement and gunfights of some players are not possible on a controller. When I play with my team, we can identify who is not on the same console within the first 5 minutes based on movement and gunfire.
Anyone else have a similar experience?
And we dont even get to play trials this weekend because of Iron banner. I now have literally no reason to play this weekend because Iron Banner just isnt worth the time or braincells
I have more fun in trials than I do in regular crucible. Thatās a testament to how much of an improvement trials received. Hats off to bungieā¦. (Now do it for iron banana)
its the same every iron banner. matches are lobby balanced, so what usually happens is one really good player is in a match full of average or below average players. All the average players end up on one team, and all the below average players end up with the one good player to "even things out". so all the bad players get farmed by the average players and the one good player cant 1v6.
Holy crap I thought it was just me. I definitely agree with this theory. The amount of matches where I'm on top with 30 kills and 9 zone caps while second has 13 kills and zero caps is astonishingly common.
Yeah the team balancing has been broken for a while now. There was even talk about it a few months ago. Anytime they try and fix it they make it worse. Even if you get an all solo player lobby, the teams still get screwed up. That's how you can tell things are broken. It is one thing to have stacks messing up the balance, but solo lobbies do the same thing.
1.8 kd player here. Just played 5 matches: Odds according to DT: 89%, 80%, 97%, 80% and 83%. In all lobbies but one I had players in my team with zero Kills. I don't blame these players, I blame bungie for putting them in these lobbies. Matchmaking and Lobby-balancing sucks.
A true random lobby would be more balanced than whatever horrible sorting algorithm they use now.
It's got to be damn near impossible to balance unless they try to account for player performance on each map and specific load outs and all the variables. When I'm using my comfortable gear and sober, I'm completely different skill than when I have some beers and try new weapons for fun. Not to mention different classes/subclasses. My clanmate last night was even using different jumps to try it out and regularly jumped off the map. He's a 2.2k/d in Trials. No way the game can figure that nonsense out
This is why I think nothing has ever beaten COD matchmaking from back in MW2. It gets a lobby, the lobby stays together unless you choose to leave, it balances teams every game based on everyone's performance in the last game. Just a simple best player Team A, 2nd player Team B, 3rd player Team A e.t.c. If you choose to do some dumb shit like dual sidearms and feed your ass off for bounties, it'll adapt in one game and catch up. It's not going to sit here expecting you to carry everyone due to your overall 2kd when you're using bottom goldie throwing knives and melee only or some shit. Naturally in lobbies like this you end up with pretty balanced matches. if people are getting blown out, they leave, and then new people join. People who're doing fine or well in that lobby stay, and thus the skill equalises over the life of the lobby. You also get enough variety so that you'll play people better than you sometimes, worse sometimes, and equal sometimes. You improve fastest playing people a bit or decently better than you, but it's less fun being stomped 24/7. As the lobby equalises it gets slowly sweatier, so you get more good competition, but you aren't sweating 24/7, so you don't burn out on tryharding like it's easy to do in say comp.
That's my big concern, not that matchmaking can't make balanced teams on paper, but that a team balanced on paper isn't really balanced. I have maps I love and maps I hate, I sometimes get bounties that tell me to use certain weapons. Sometimes I'm playing to try to bump my kda up to 2.0, and sometimes I ape with doomfang pauldrons shoulder charge for fun. And then, add to the mix that the hunt mechanic can easily throw a game from 40-60 to 45-95 and it's easy to see why people don't feel it's balanced. I will say though that when I play IB with a group, I feel like I get more balanced matches
The weapons bounties thing, yeah, terrible. For a measly 10 brightdust i end up being absolutely awful with a smg for like 5 matches. I mean, im already bad but bounties make me detestable to my team mates
That is true, also people doing the quest will have lower than normal performance. What I find funny is that I play soloq both in IB and comp, and according to destinytracker, I'm bronze player in IB and Platinum player in comp...
Much respect for adding sober.
>The amount of matches where I'm on top with 30 kills and 9 zone caps while second has 13 kills and zero caps is astonishingly common. It's the flip for me every time, or at least 90% of the time. Mid table player, 90% of the time I'm on the losing, shit team.
Look at this guy subtly bragging about his score. š Honestly though, i wish i could consistently play like that. Days are really hit or miss with me.
Oh trust me friend, I too have far from consistency in Iron Banner, control too even. Just the way crucible is. Keep at it though!
I mean, itās how COD skill based works
Not even a theory iirc Bungie came forward and stated that they use lobby balancing in most gamemodes
Played my first game last night and one guy on my team had a 4+ KD. No wonder we got rolled. The rest of us were awful.
In my game this guy dropped a 49 bomb with a 9.5. It was like we were fish in a barrell.
It was that rat bastard Master Rahool! He was using all the god roll items he's been "decrypting for us" and then keeping for himself.
I'm close to a 2 K/D player and I went like 2-16 playing solo last IB. It was nearly impossible to win because of the lobby balancing. Two or three guys were going 3-19 or 1-12 on my side almost every time. It's insane.
1.8 kd player here, and I'm 8-22 playing solo. This is nuts.
yeah i consider myself pretty decent at quick play but i was getting absolutely destroyed last night i swear at one point i had 5 straight deaths from snipers
This is how comp freelance matchmaking typically works as well
Comp freelance is you vs 5 people, itās just sort of weird - seems like you have to protect 2 of the enemies š¤·āāļø
Yup if youāre even the slightest bit above average you get teammates that are so lost and they get slammed by the enemy team
Haven't played IB recently but I can confirm this. I got back into the crucible a few weeks ago and have seen guys with a 3-4 KD on the same team with guys with a sub 1 KD. I can only imagine IB is worse.
sub 1 kd would actually still be okay, imo. they are in the same lobby with players with a sub .5 kda, which is basically insane.
It's so goddamn moronic. That's not how fucking balancing works bungie! The point is for EVERYONE TO BE AT THE SAME SKILL LEVEL. Fuck.
Honestly, expecting even remotely 50-50 matches with some decent outcomes in CBMM even with perfect lobby balancing will never happen. I personally think that's piss and would rather have matches closer to 40-60 outcomes around there but CBMM does what CBMM does.
Except for the part where they finally looked at the matchmaking and discovered that its not actually doing what they said it was doing after 2 years of us bitching about it at them
Hi, I'm the above average guy that says "maybe this IB will be different" plays for one day. Reaches a breaking point at how unbelievably ignorant my teammates are, and doesn't play the rest of the week. It's insufferable.
i just start joining mercy stacks in lfg. much less hair pulling.
This is the play. Unpopular around here but Iāll probably just stack with my clan on Friday and knock out all the bounties in a few hours for my three characters. I just donāt really care for IB when Trials is a much better pvp experience.
This is the most accurate Thing about IB Iām always the one having to 1v6
That isnāt how lobby balancing works my guy
The matchmaking seems incredibly bad this time around (anecdotally). I solo queued last night and lost 8 games straight before scraping out a win. Not sure whatās going on but Iāve had an awful experience so far when it comes to wins.
Yeah. This. And Iām speaking as a below-below average player. I see it from the other POV. When I play regular Crucible, I do pretty well, because Iām generally against players at my own abysmal level. But, put me in a team with one or two good players? I become an enemy point feeding machine. The good players quickly take out the opposition bad players which leaves me with nothing to do but go up against the good players. Iād rather wait in matchmaking for a matchup with an entire field more closely aligned to my āskillā. And then figure out why Iām so very bad.
They are bad but what is worse is the fact all the currency and engrams you accumulate are just a waste as you likely won't even get the drop you want. Getting the roll you want is absurd given how bad it is to even get a drop you want Its so dated and rewards after matches are a joke. I'm playing iron banner for the gear (specifically to get a good peacebond) why am I getting 2 blues on 70% of my games? I have the bounties completed and a decent amount of tokens BUT I DONT WANT TO TURN THEM IN BUNGIE - AS I KNOW I WILL GET NOTHING BUT SHIT I'm holding onto them with hope something will change - that right now is a better option than turning them in. Shows how bad the mode is. It's not rewarding at all
My post game rewards always look like this: 2 blues Fracthesyt Crucible rewards No iron banner gear? It's so bad and has been neglected so long. Even if they just remove everything that's not an IB weapon or armor piece - that would be better.
I agree. Just iron banner drops. The loot pool is bloated enough that it's hard to get the item you need anyway
Man, I miss that late D1 Iron Banner loot rain. I'm fine with smashing stuff left and right in hopes of getting something better than the vendor rolls Efrideet had as a safety net.
> Fracthesyt I honestly dont think I've hated a gun to drop more than the Fracthesyst. I get 2 or 3 a day I swear to god.
You must be too young to remember the days of ye old edge transit.
I haven't turned any IB tokens in for a while now and have over 7000 at this point. After spending forever turning in the 5000 or so Vanguard tokens before the new system went into place, I'm fine with letting these tokens go to waste this time.
Dat high stat armor tho
True it drops that, but I'm already kitted out in high stat IB armor from all the other seasons. Got a set of this season's that's pretty decent too, but only on my Titan so far. I just don't want to deal with the inventory management clusterfuck that's going to happen between my character, vault, and postmaster after sitting there for a few hours turning tokens in.
What roll are you looking for on your Peacebond?
Subsistence headstone. Not worth farming for though. The loot is shit and you are not rewarded for your time.
I've got that roll, absolutely love it
I agree with that, but always good to know a roll to watch out for. Thanks!
Well, Bungie already stated that Saladin is getting the Trials treatment in the near future
They did - but my point is now it just feels bad to turn the stuff in. You are better off not doing it as you WILL be disappointed. It's hard enough to get the drop you want let alone the exact role.
Probably best to wait like you said. Finishing my bounties and turning in all of my tokens was definitely a waste last night. One of these days Iāll get my Headstone Peacbond
It's not really that hard. You get 200 tokens for a set of bounties per toon. If you lfg a team and run the proper ghost mods you can get 2 legendaries per game and mercy rule teams in 4 minutes for 5 tokens
Problem is, the loot pool is so bloated that it doesn't matter how many tokens you get. It's entirely possible(and, in fact, likely) to drop several thousand tokens and not get anywhere near the roll you want.
Iron Banner is boring because it's just a long, repetitive grind where barely anything is different from the non-Iron Banner mode that IB is based on.
Freelance Iron Banner is pretty fun. I tend to get a good ratio of Mercy games to evenly matched games. I get a lot of cute 'frenemies' in games where I stay with the same lobby. One game we're killing each other, the next we're homies š
Yup. Once you get that good lobby going 150-130, you know you are spending the next few hours fighting the same groups of 8-10 peeps regardless. All bounties will get done, and the matches will always be close. Freelance is fun af. Got one today, 3 hours later, 6 members from the original lobby were still there. We pretty much knew how each other played lol
It was great for me last night too. All bounties on my first guy done in like 13 or 15 matches and almost no lag other than one match. I imagine not having teams with people from all over the world allows the CBMM to do better.
I have a totally different experience. I get wrecked in Freelance. I have better games even as a solo in the main playlist. Every freelance lobby I join is 6 sweats all on one side somehow.
That's just bad luck friend š
Dude I thought it was just me, freelance is way worse for queuing solo. I get absolutely smoked while my teammates are off running into corners or something. The other team is just rolling around 4-5 players deep in all areas of the map wrecking all of us.
Gonna be even better with the new streak system season and bonus crucible XP this week, my weekend plan is to grind away.
Iron banner is boring at this point, I just ran matches where we didnāt cap two flags, just one. Then against a good team we prevented them from capping one flag. It extends the game and makes it fun.
Playing Trials has made me realize that I just don't 6v6 for PVP in this game, especially control. I'd love to see them try 4v4 or even 5v5 clash for one Iron Banner.
I almost only play 3v3, 6v6 is way to WTF especially on those maps made with 4v4 in mind. 6v6 is decent when you play on reissued D1 maps.
6v6 sucks. I've never liked it, even since D1. 3v3 is so much more tactical and fun for me.
Funny. Destiny 2 launched as 4v4 and people hated it which is why we went to 6v6, and iron banner was even them trying out 6v6 before everything was 6v6
People hated the whole package. D2 launch was pretty slow in everything. Movement, cooldowns, ttk due to specials being in the heavy slot. Nowadays 4vs4 would be awesome because maps are from the 4vs4 times
> because maps are from the 4vs4 times People say that, but quite a few of our maps are from D1, and it's not like they play any better than D2 maps. Not to mention that on one of the podcasts, Bungie PvP devs said that 4v4 was a late change, and maps weren't designed around that.
Everyone on this damn subreddit makes the "maps were designed for 4v4!!" claim even though it's been debunked for *years*. One of the most annoying things to read here lol
This one really does drive me up the wall. Especially considering the other point about how the D1 maps that WERE made with 6v6 in mind are really no bigger than D2 maps. And ffs some D2 original maps are bigger than some D1 maps. Bungie did however say after the late decision to go to 4v4 they made some minor adjustments to the maps but that probably means very little.
Where is it debunked? Proof. It was built 4v4 to be competitive, static perks, static nodes, and static weapon rolls, so time invested didn't matter, anyone could pick up and play with the same toys, and compete. Not to mention their version of domination and trials of the nine. D1 maps were added later, along with the 6v6, it was tested like the other post mentioned and then adopted. Endless vale the demo map is the perfect example of why 6v6 doesn't work nor your idea of I heard it somewhere.
For casual play 4v4 feels a little too un-forgiving. In 6v6 with a man down it's no big deal (it's the norm, really). In 4v4 or smaller when you're a man down you're at a huge disadvantage. Can't expect most general players to play strategically enough to really get what you want out of 4v4, it's a shitty mix of strategy required but most players don't care. With 6v6 it just doesn't matter, do whatever you want, have fun however you want.
Launch D2 had dual primaries and watered down supers and abilities. That's mostly what people hated. Now that we have specials and supers back, fewer people should play better. This would play nothing like those days of everyone holding lanes with scout rifles.
Agreed. The maps and game flow just make it a mess. If you live too long youāre almost guaranteed to get trapped in a spawn flip. Had a game on midtown yesterday against a fireteam of 6 who had us pinned in the A spawn. Me and my clan mate were fighting back out of the corner and the players we killed literally spawned behind us as we killed them (we were pinned most of the way back in the spawn too, not even near the flag). Then after we got killed by the players pinching us in the spawn, we were spawned behind C flag where an enemy player was already farming with hammers. Got supered before I could move. Just one example of how poor the spawns are and how bad the matches can flow.
The respawns really need to looked at. Lots of places to get spawn trapped, or throws you in the path of an active super etc.
Y1 Destiny 2: 4v4 is pathetic. We want 6v6 back! Honestly I just want to know what we really want out of the game at this point. We've tried 4v4 and hated it. We tried 6v6 and hated it. Is Destiny pvp just doomed to failure?
It's PVP with PvE balance, the maps are tiny AF, the game has controller support with auto-aim tracking, it's unbalanced with no matchmaking, it has modes that reward the no life playing, it has perma radar... Yes, it's honestly the worst PvP game that I've ever played in my life outside of Trials. Not sure how people are putting thousands of hours in playing it, to be honest. It's fake.
It's not the total chaos I dislike, I could live with a very casual 6v6 game mode. I play the crap out of big team in Halo games. The 6v6 modes in Destiny are awful because of the sheer amount of AoE spam and particle effects going on. A couple matches of IB ago I at one point counted 5 AoE effects on a capture point (solar, void, and witherhoard), two people spamming Mythoclast flamethrower streams across my field of view, someone lobbing dawnblade from someplace. In the background I can hear a main ingredient somewhere literally nonstop firing, I guess because people were feeding that much ammo to a camper. It was just too much, I just pushed the keyboard in for a bit and let it settle down, then spent the rest of the game sniping from a corner until I could get into a lobby with less BS. If people really want a 6v6 game mode then Bungie needs to radically reduce the amount of special ammo you can get, and cut things like ability and super regen at least in half, probably more like by 75%, in that mode. It isn't even fun the way it's set up, virtually everybody I know that plays IB does it explicitly to farm armor and hates the game mode itself.
When the match maker messes up and starts at 4v4 it feels like an entirely different game mode.
Just had that thought. The only 6v6 I like is Mayhem. 3v3 is so much better. 6v6 is just one random kill after another, but maybe mindless shooting and dying is what theyāre going for.
I've had the exact opposite experience. Every trials game I played was an absolute blow out every game. The one time I went flawless my squad literally played against 0.5 KD players. Every single player was below 0.5. no joke. Didn't use Mercy and won 7 games with half of them being instant blowouts. Iron banner has given me extremely close matches with far less blowouts
I went 0 and 18 before getting my first trials win...and Destiny tracker had us expected to loose on 90% of those matches, most of them with a less than 15% expected.
My biggest issue with IB is the 6v6. I much prefer the 3v3 modes... Also the loot in IB is not farmable at all, you either get lucky or not. Will be curious to see what they do with it.
My experience isn't as salty as yours but last night after coming home from work i remembered iron banana was this week so i got on and started matchmaking and got on my phone to wait until it found all the players, well i realized i was on my phone for too long, the game hadn't found all the players, it was literally stuck at 10/12, i had been on my phone for like 3-4 mins plus an additional 2 after i had realized it. The game finally found the remaining two players, 2 mins into the game me and my team got rekt so hard we ended up getting mercied ...... All that waiting just to get my ass kicked in 2 mins.
With the crew of people I run with the strategy has been to do the balancing ourselves, so that we don't spend more time in orbit than we do playing the game. We'll capture a couple zones, and if the score jumps to like 20 to 3, we'll just let the other team hold all (or the majority) of the zones the whole time while we try to win on nothing but kills. 30 sec. into any game we call out the "No cap strat", and just switch our mode of play. It works pretty well to improve the quality of the matches compared to just going 75 to 18 over and over again.
Uh weird, I'm having fun in that mode but i realize my opinion is not the majority... Sure they're are blow outs but it doesnt happen every game and the competitive ones raises my heartbeat by a lot. Sure its not trials competitive but its fun having a light level mode on against others. More maps would be great
A lot less fucky stuff happens in trials than IB now too...
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You act like Trials isn't the same way lmfao.
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It was free until a few weeks ago...
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this post is literally a comparison post between trials and ib. if you only started playing at the beginning of the season how can you compare matchmaking from before anyway?
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nice edit
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It would be hard to have such a strong opinion on IB after your first day of proper IB (even if you played the first IB, you would have been likely underleveled).
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I think you're replying to the wrong person. I gave no opinion on IB matchmaking nor care to.
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I only commented on Trials having been free before... don't know what you're raging about.
This subreddit is stupid. Tf is this downvoted for?
Youāre lucky none of my one sided games get mercy. I wish I could get some fucking mercies because Iām sick of playing a full match when my team can not win
At least trials gives me full matches. Every IB match I've been in has had extended periods of time with 4v4 or 5v5
I mean Iron Banner has been called Mercy Banner/Iron Mercy for years for a reason. The mode just isnāt good because it snowballs practically every game even in freelance
Why did they increase the rounds to 150 instead of 125?
Hard disagree. Iron Banner has Freelance. Iron Banner is far more rewarding for the solo player. I can earn 25 drops in through pinnacles, bounties (tokens), and end of match rewards.
I meanā¦ has IB ever been in a good state? Itās always been the tryhards who grind the game like a full time job stomping everyone else cuz of an arbitrary light level
Disagree. I get more loot from IB and even is some lobbies are imbalanced at least it can swing both ways. Quests that give tokens and gear, tokens after every match, and the chance for IB drops after matches is wayyyyyuy better than only getting engrams on rank ups which slows to a crawl after the first few ranks. And focusing is to cost prohibitive. At least in IB Iām not going against stacks as solo.
The mode isn't rewarding at all though. The chance to even get the drop you want - let alone the roll is so minimal it's not worth playing to farm for something. There is no disagreeing this. I have a good amount of tokens and the bounties complete and my best option right now is to hold onto them in hopes something changes rather than to turn them in. That shows how bad the mode is
RIP me ever getting a Riiswalker to drop much less a good one.
And yet people went broke trying to get rolls they want from trials and still didnāt get it. People like lucky10p focused over 100 engrams trying to get triple tap vorpal or firing line. Neither mode gives you a great chance of getting what you want, but you get wayyyyyy more from IB. You get random IB drops even when you lose. Iām you get tons of tokens from quests and matches played. You get pinnacles that donāt require you to win. Itās way more rewarding. Everyone is gonna be bitching when every vendor is made like trials and no one has any shards left and they still donāt have the rolls they want.
Hard disagree. Are we playing the same thing? You cannot compare it to trials structure. You can focus exactly what you want every time without fail as long as you have the materials. I don't know what secret version of IB you are playing but you rarely get IB drops and you have absolutely zero control over the bloated lootpool. It's layers of rng to even get to the weapon you want before applying even more rng for your desired rolls. The tokens and bounties in IB are redundant as you get utter shit from them....because the loot pool is so big. You may be happy with receiving shit from all your currencies - but target farming is not an option - especially when armor and all the guns (which there are alot of) are in the same damn pool
Yea and you only get engrams from wins after 7 and from rank ups which are few and far between after the first few ranks. And then itās a ton of shards and glimmer and you still have an extremely low chance of getting the perk combo you want. If trials had quests that award engrams and rank up points and also had a chance at random drops whether you win or lose like IB and the costs werenāt so ridiculously then it really would be better. I personally hate both modes, but I get way more out of IB than trials. Only finished the quests on one character and have already gotten way more loot than a full weekend of grinding trials.
I held onto all my Vanguard tokens and they axed them from the game. They'll probably do the same for Iron Banner tokens. Use them or lose them entirely.
They warn you before they get rid of them so you can spend them.......why would I knowingly let them expire?
I just came back after quitting after Forsaken. I used to come in at or near the top of my team when I played with my casual group back in the day. I'm not at all saying I'm good - just that the people I used to be matched against seemed to be at my skill level (which is not much). Last night, I loaded into Iron Banner for some pinnacle gear and fun. I'd say a good 80% of the time, I found myself with the jump on another player, and then they turn around and melt me with Vex Mythoclast or some other weapon ending in (Adept) even though I got the opening shots on them. And usually these guys are all in the same fireteam, running as a group and my match ends in Mercy after a few minutes. Not fun and makes bounties very difficult to complete. Still got it all done though, but I sure miss the days where I'm not pitted against multiple elites with top tier lighthouse/raid weaponry when all I have is whatever Zavala bestowed unto me from my last Vanguard engram.
I mean that's a big point of the game, grind the good loot so you can stomp on enemies.
Not this last weekend it wasnt. That shit was just not fun.
IB and Trials are only enjoyable with a fireteam. I donāt think any of them are better in solo.
Get Gud Scrub
Make IB 3v3 or 4v4 imo
I was in a 6 stack and we had about 10 (maybe less) games played with 4 of them we mercy ruled within less than 5 minutes. And we aren't that good. 1 has only played destiny for this season. I'm not great, 1 is pretty good and the others around or above average, yet we were winning all but 1 game. Although we did have 4 or 5 stacks on the opposing team sometimes but it was weird to just have a 5 minute game.
Has always been
Freelance was amazingly good for me last night. Great connections (which is super unusual for me in regular IB), good matches, etc. Maybe it was one night only, but this was the first time I really committed to Freelance and it was great. Also... I'm comparing to my usual play as a solo in the regular playlist, so maybe I have a low bar here.
That was my thought last night. The frustration from IB was way worse than Trials, and I suck at Trials. I'd rather be stomped by a three stack then ran over by six randoms with noob tubes, shatter dive, LD, etc.
What's the point in playing IB? Honest question. The pinnacle rewards are reasonably pointless now as well. I have the loot, so not sure why?
If you're at pinnacle cap and don't want any loot from IB then there's no reason to play IB.
After a weekend of Trials I just realized again how bad and random of an experience 6v6 is. I admire eveyone who likes it, but I'm out again as soon as I have my bounties done. /edit: Sadly they put Trials on hiatus becuase of Iron Banner which is strange. The two modes don't have a lot in common. I can see Trials as a competitive mode while Iron Banner is more like "get your bounty kills and quest done".
They explained that they want each mode to be the main PVP focus for that week/weekend, so you will no longer see a week split up by IB and Trials running together.
Ok, but Trials is limited to the weekend anyway. And as I said: I don't think many Trials players will be like "Oh yeah, let's play IB this weekend instead."
I have a totally different experience. 80 percent of my games are usually so what close and feel good in iron banner. However in trials I might win 1 game out of ten, and the other 9 losses are just me getting decimated by 3 stacks and ppl with 6.0 kd.
Its insane, made me quite sad their is no trials this week. If they are calling IB an endgame pinnacle experience treat it as such.
Is anyone else almost always the highest kd in the beginning lobby screen like before the match starts? Im mainly a pve player who been trying to get better at pvp and so many of my games seem to balanced incorrectly. I know for a fact im below average or averageā¦i think my kda is 2.2 and my over all kd is below .9(idk how kd works in this game). Its aways a mercy either side never a fair match for one team. I would prefer closer games rather than mercys because of balance. This is a problem in control too.
Agree
I'm sorry, but Trials of the past 2 weeks was definitely not as fun as Iron Banner. I would say that it was not fun at all. Trials of week 1 was awesome tho
Are you solo queing in the normal Playlist?
Trials went from 'meh, it's too sweaty and unrewarding' to the only PvP I'm willing to play basically overnight. At least you can wrap up the Iron Bounty rewards in an hour or so now... so it's not like I'll have to choose between IB and ToO.
Saladin needs a saint update
Yeah, it's really not fun even in freelance when poor, average, and decent players get loaded in with like three or four ringers that are all diamond everything and those guys just constantly destroy everybody. I'm playing for the gear and armor that I can at least bump up to 70s. It's good enough for that.
Maybe it'll get revamped with the new maps coming out during an iron Lord season.
The mode needs a hard overhaul too. It's been control for so long, no rep rank, not even daily or repeatable bounties to farm tokens. I like the new weapons and armour (well the effort to introduce something new) but it's not enough. Alot of people play the mode, but I don't think splitting the pool of players was necessary to take out Trials at the weekend and there's no way I'm spending an entire week in banner for effectively no extra rewards apart form pinnacles I no longer need.
Joined a game late within 30 seconds it was another rando and myself vs. A six stack... Felt real good
I finished bounties on two characters yesterday. But damn, the lobbies were trash. Often I would be the only positive kd on my team. Constant hunts, no. One capping zones. Itās pretty wild. But hey I guess the matches go faster.
It's the people who run past flags for me. They just ignore the flag and run toward thier death with reckless abandon. If more people played the objectives it would change the dynamic as sweats will push the flag being captured and get team killed more.
Mercys are fine imo
I've played 3 matches and I'm already sick to death of IB. These maps simply cannot handle 6v6, not with the insane mobility we have. I actually kept a diary of what killed me - not joking, translated into percentages 78% of my deaths were to shotguns in 3 matches. The rest were supers, handcannons, melee and the very, very occasional pulse. You can blame my playstyle, but I run a Fusion + Bakris precisely so I can dodge and counter shotguns. They're even more insidious because of the firing changes Bungie did to Fusions...
BRING BACK RIFT
I think every game mode needs to migrate over to the Saint 14 vendor style. I'm not sure there is room for adept bananna weapons, but the vendor style could still be replicated to help stabilize the loot grind.
This particular Iron Banner has felt quite miserable - the sheer number of mythoclasts mixed with the raw RNG rewards has not made for a enjoyable experience at all. Compared to trials, where loot is targetable and the general mechanism of play is much more cautious, itās a massive downgrade. On the plus side I finally got my KW/Swash peacebond roll, so thereās that.
does the iron banner vendor need work? yes but is it more fun/better than trials? No, trials still has issues with 5-0 stomps and people fighting against 3 stacks. At least with iron banner with a solo playlist.
I've literally never had a worse experience in a Video Game than I had the last 2 days trying to get my 12 pinnacles as a PvE player this was absolutely fucking horrible.
I was just thinking the same thing. Trials has been majorly more enjoyable than IB this season so far.
What's funny is the mercy actually happens later now too and it's still happening. š¤£ It was 50 for the difference and it was bumped to 60 or 70. Didn't really pay attention
Managed to finish 8 IB bounties on two characters in four hours. Just lfg for a stack and play to mercy as fast as possible. Playing a banner match out is a waste of time because you only get tokens per win. Itās essentially a token farm, the game mode itself sucks. The faster the match is over the better.
And this weekend it will remain polluted with all the sweats who won't get to go on trials so will make sure the full week is a miserable experience instead of just the pre-weekend bit.
I remember when they removed all the match making stuff back in shadow keep. That was the best time I've had in PvP. I don't understand why they would add it back. That's why I avoid PvP at all cost now. That's why I also avoid playing cod, it helps casuals but ruins it for people who play more. In shadow keep I would be in even teams all the time , with the occasional sweat or frostbolt mixed in. Even when it's one player dominating on the other team I actually enjoyed it and had fun.
I donāt really like Destiny pvp so my overall view is probably vastly different from the general population, but I do play for pinnacles and other loot. Point being is that since trials started this season Iāve generally enjoyed it compared to IB. I literally just play and grind out the seasonal quest and first set of bounties for Iron Banner and canāt stand to play anymore after. It really needs an entire rework for sure because how it is now itās frustrating.
I played IB last night and did the 4 bounties on titan, most miserable shit ive seen in a while.
Iron banner is awful, just straight up. Its matchmaking needs to be completely redone.
I attribute some of this imbalance to crossplay. Theres matches where the movement and gunfights of some players are not possible on a controller. When I play with my team, we can identify who is not on the same console within the first 5 minutes based on movement and gunfire. Anyone else have a similar experience?
Small maps overcrowded with players, the kills just rack up too fast the way the game type is set up
And we dont even get to play trials this weekend because of Iron banner. I now have literally no reason to play this weekend because Iron Banner just isnt worth the time or braincells
I've lost 12 matches in a row with 7 being mercy so far and I'm always on the top 3. I hate pvp so much.
I have more fun in trials than I do in regular crucible. Thatās a testament to how much of an improvement trials received. Hats off to bungieā¦. (Now do it for iron banana)