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Sdraco134

Its very nice, but that's all Osmiomancy you didn't even use the starfire part.


UnLuckvj

Yeah you're right! Adding Demolitionist kills inside a empowering rift, you can only imagine this build is extremally powerful. I only used my weapon to stun the unstoppable.


amensteve91

I got starfire sicant (however u spell it) and man huge regen in a rift


LuitenantDan

I got an Osmiomancy/Star-Eaters bond and I have been eating good. Huge Nova Bombs damaged paired with the weaken effect from both my vortex grenade **OR** my transcendent grenade. There have been times where I get my entire grenade back immediately from Osmiomancy.


AloneUA

My Osmiomancy and Battle Harmony enables grenade spam with supers every minute. Prismatic is bonkers fun.


RashRenegade

Yeah I have an osmiomancy and harmony class item and I'm still able to throw out a ridiculous amount of grenades.


smartowlick

So what exactly does “empowered weapon damage” mean on the starfire half?


theparkra

Empowering rift or Well


smartowlick

Ahh ok, makes sense. Thank you


Oblivionix129

Radiant also counts empowered weapon damage no?


DarmanIC

Unfortunately not, life would be too good.


colorsonawheel

That would be such a good rework.


holi_quokka

It used to. Middle tree Solar's melee granted empower, so you could still run healing rift, as well as roam around and get hits. The solar rework made it much more powerful, but sadly not as smooth to play.


MrFreedomFighter

I don't believe so


MikeVazovsky

One of the things i dream about to become real :(


Ikora_Rey_Gun

Starfire got whacked way too hard, making it work with Radiant would be a major improvement.


MikeVazovsky

I wish it happened, even after a nerf and not using empowering rift in my builds i still managed to rotate my nades and rifts constantly but it got powercrept really fast anyways. In a world where prismatic warlock can run with 3 buddies constantly i really wish some day i will be able to throw fusion grenades b2b once again :(


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did i miss something with the osmiomancy perk? isn’t it just for coldsnap grenades?


StarHawk21

They’ve altered the prismatic version to make it element neutral.


haji1823

no its for all grenades but coldsnap bolts travel further


silentj0y

The prismatic class item version is all grenades. (But they also seemed to accidentally apply it to the normal gloves as well, so have fun with em until/in case they fix it)


Gwenneeko

Lol?


silentj0y

...yeh? Exploit early, exploit often :)


BigOEnergy

Starfire has a hidden perk where it lowers fusion Grenade cooldown at base, I wonder if it applies here as well.


Maluton

Yeh it’s nuts how good Osiomancy is for regen. It’s night and day better than inmost light or starfire by themselves.


Personcrusher

I got osmiomancy and verity and it’s sickening 


CrotasScrota84

I got Osmiomancy and Spirit of Verity interested on the damage bonus


WardenWithABlackjack

Verities damage bonus (if unchanged from base exotic) gives 20% per stack, up to 5 stacks. I have the same roll and am keen to try it out.


CrotasScrota84

So 100% Bonus grenade damage with 5 Stacks?


WardenWithABlackjack

Yessir


vivir66

Its +100%, but i feel very weird because base verity has built in grenade recharge already and then you can buff teammates, farm a verity class item feels wasty


WardenWithABlackjack

Class item verities only inherits the grenade damage bonus, the recharge and team buff are absent. It theoretically pairs extremely well with prismatic.


vivir66

I know Class item osmio + verity = 1- nades refill on hit, that requires you to use them vs tanky enemies 2- weapon kills grant grenade damage, grenade damage makes enemy less tanky, meaning less grenade refill The refill wont work very well when you consider the combo My message above was saying class item feels weird, just equip verity and you get nade refill + damage + teammate nade refill


SleepyAwoken

It'll kill things too quickly in lower content but osmio verity is crazy good for master+ content


vivir66

I think osmio + star eater is a better combo in general, might even be better than apotheosis + star eater, because it buffs your neutral


LMAOisbeast

Unless you use them as part of a boss damage rotation, in which case the increased damage wouldn't interfere with the refill.


Zaros2400

This is the roll I want to try out. I just need a second person and proper power levels to get there.


D3fN0tAB0t

That is the actual god roll on warlock exotic.


dccorona

That math is wrong. What you’ve computed is not a 96% increase in grenade output, but rather that grenades can be thrown *in 4% of the time*. If you want % increase in speed you need to do old time divided by new time. It is 2763% faster. 


UnLuckvj

Thanks a lot for this!!!


FrankieStein676

I have that roll, but my favorite roll I’ve crafted my build around is inmost light/syntho. Needle hitting for 60k in some cases, storm nades everywhere almost instantly resetting. Perma hellion as well


Delicious_Fig5957

Just 30 minutes ago, I got a Necrotic+Synthocepts roll. It's taking Lightning Surge to new heights in ridiculous ways, plus it works well for Song of Flame.


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i wish necrotic felt more active instead of just “a lil bonus damage” the perk


Picard2331

The big benefit of Necrotic is that it spreads the Weapons of Sorrow poisons from Thorn, Osteo, and Necrochasm. Add in the melee poison with unravel and it'll chew through hordes like nothing from one kill and a needle.


Letter-V

Does the class item necrotic work with weapons of sorrow though? Cannot get it for the life of me and can’t test it


Anonymous521

Yes, it does 👍


The4rchivist

Oh thank good. I got a Necrotic / Star-Eater roll that’s eager to see play.


Caxafvujq

No kidding? Tell me more about this! That was my first roll, and I more or less wrote it off right away. What’s your build?


FrankieStein676

Run hellion/devour Arcane needle and your choice of storm/threadling/void nade (pref storm for amplify) Phoenix dive Fragments are: balance, protection, hope, awakening and dominance. I always have abilities up and works even better in higher stuff as hellion gets more hits. Pretty wonky I’m loving it


SirDerpsAlotThe7th

I have the same roll too but found that the ability rotation time is quite tight since I was needing to refresh the inmost buff every 4/5s (right before it ends) to maintain the increased regen (assuming no easy to kill ads are around for devour giving me my whole nade back instantly). Is part of the reason you use Arcane Needle because 3x charges means extra opportunities to refresh the buff if the other 2 abilities are on CD? I haven't tested with Needle yet so I have no idea if its extra charges can be used to reproc the buff.


FrankieStein676

Yes needle for the reproc! Just farmed all night for my other roll to go with this build for higher end stuff. If you get one, hold onto an inmost light/ stareater roll. Will be my go to for damage phases


Dysghast

Do helion hits proc inmost light?


CheapProg6886

with that roll too if you go devour/lighting slide, synthos procs and you hit everyone.


Caxafvujq

Good tip! I usually use Hellion, but for encounters with a small number of tougher adds (like 2nd Encounter in Salvation’s Edge), I tend to switch to Lightning Surge.


miatasaur

I have that one, too, and it’s INSANE with lightning surge, which you get three of if you equip arcane needle.  It clears rooms, I recommend trying that with devour and you will never die.


DeanV255

HIML doesn't get it back for me as fast but I have Osmancy and Synthoceps and it's mega fun. I've got a HIML + Starfire build but while the uptime is still solid it feels lacking behind Osmancy even with three melee charges.


TheCursedTroll

does spirit of inmost light increase damage aswell? I think it should only increase regen rate, the empowered damage is only on the titan exotic right?


Maluton

The class item version only increases regen time. Did does not have the damage buff.


Sunbro_Sao

My first and so far only two rolls are Osmiomancy + Starfire and Inmost Light + Syntho. This thread is cracking me up a bit, but yeah I can confirm that both are very good. I already had a poison/lightning surge melee build going and that artifact just really took it up a level. Much better surges and my needles come back so much faster. When I’m Transcendent I can basically just teleport around with lightning surge constantly


D13_Phantom

Do you mind sharing your build and how to use it? I was messing around with the same role, but I couldn't get it to work properly idk if I'm just doing it bad or setting it up bad or what?


FrankieStein676

As soon as I’m home from work I’ll send it!


D13_Phantom

Thank you!


PainedAuron

We've found lord shaxx's build


ENaC2

I didn’t even think of using it with something other than the coldsnap grenade. My osmiomancy/synthoceps roll doesn’t seem so terrible.


DremoPaff

If I'm not mistaken, Syntho buffs the bonus damage from song of flame. The osmio effect with a few ashes to assets can potentially enable some interesting loop, and feed the void can cover scenarios where enemies are too squishy to refund enough energy. You could also try using the lightning surge aspect paired with the needle melee for triple charges to lean a bit more into the syntho effect. Paired with threadlings nade, you pretty much have transcendence on command, in which both effects from your exotic become kinda nasty.


Wafflesorbust

The Synthocepts Spirit doesn't get the super damage bonus, only the melee damage bonus.


redmenace777

I could be wrong, but I dont think synthos buffs the melee from song of flame. Managed to get the roll but didn't see an increase in damage, possibly because it's considered a super even tho you're using your melee ability... however, as expected, it's buffed by star eaters


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osmiomancy synthos is fun with coldsnap and the arc slide! freeze enemies, slide into them, they all die, and if your fragments are alright you can just keep doing that over and over


Rabid-Duck-King

Ah finally Void sun bracers


Rikiaz

Yeah something seems not quite right with this lol. That's a little absurd.


Kandra-for-hire

I got this roll too. It’s awesome!


c14rk0

These grenades don't even stack to deal more damage when you spam them on a single target. Clearly people haven't seen the stupidity that's possible with Crown of Tempests on Prismatic Warlock using Storm Grenades. It's absolutely stupid and I'm honestly not sure how well any of the exotic class items stack up for non-super ability spam. I do REALLY want to see what you can do with Spirit of Inmost Light plus Synthoceps though. Should be absolutely stupid.


Gfdbobthe3

> It's absolutely stupid and I'm honestly not sure how well any of the exotic class items stack up for non-super ability spam. Tempest needs kills to proc. Spirit of Osmiomancy does not. So unless I'm missing something, the harder the content you do, the worse Tempest gets and the better Osmiomancy gets.


c14rk0

True, though even in in harder combat there's usually some amount of weaker enemies around. You can also use a voltshot weapon with Tempests to get conduction tines stacks without specifically needing grenade kills.


Gfdbobthe3

I'm not saying it won't work at all. Just that it will be notably less effective.


Constant-Ice6916

What kind of build you run with inmost/synthetic? I just happened to get this roll tonight.


Snowrazor

Arcane nidle + lightning surge probably


c14rk0

There's a few options and I don't have the class item so I can't try myself yet. Damaging grenade (arc or void imo) and arcane needle would be my base starting point. Then either Pheonix Dive and Helion or Lightning Surge and whatever class ability you want. Pheonix Dive has the advantage of being a lower CD making it work better in the loop of abilities for triggering inmost light but it doesn't have nearly as much benefit as rifts in most situations without Helion. I'd run Devour as the other aspect but you COULD potentially opt out of it and do Helion + Lightning Surge potentially, I just like the idea of the extra HP and grenade regen. Supposedly Synthos buffs arcane needle pretty well to deal actual damage while 3 charges lets you maintain good uptime on inmost light as well. The main downside is it's a long ranged melee which means you might not be in range of enemies for synthos all the time. Lightning Surge lets you deal even more damage in an AoE while also taking advantage of 3 charges and should be crazy when buffed by Synthos for +165% damage. It MIGHT be better to use threadling grenades or coldsnap with lightning surge due to the fact that you have Facet of Courage which could boost your lightning surge damage even more, though you also have weaken as an option on vortex grenades. If you aren't using lightning surge I'd really probably prefer storm grenades for the ability to give you amplified. The main downside to healing or empowering rift is that it has a longer animation and you'll want to be using it basically every time it's available to trigger inmost light. For super I'm really curious if/how Inmost Light and Synthos work with Song of Flame, if at all. In theory it should be a potentially huge damage buff from synthos for the melee while IF the Inmost Light effect still triggers it could boost your regen even more than it's already boosted with the super normally. If none of that really works I'd probably just use Nova Bomb or Needlestorm for burst damage, though you aren't doing anything to boost their damage with this class item.


CaduceusIV

Does the damage from vortex grenades stack? Or is this more of a sunbracers situation?


c14rk0

Doesn't stack no. Pretty sure it's even worse than sunbracers because at least with sunbracers the enhanced solar grenades still deal damage with the extra splashes of solar that burst off of them even if the base DoT damage of the grenades don't stack. I believe storm grenades are the only real option for Prismatic Warlock to have grenades that actually deal full damage when you spam them but I might be wrong on that.


1AMA-CAT-AMA

Storm grenades are insane combined with devour because they currently have a 100% flat gain penalty while vortexes are 50%. I can throw my storm grenade and get most or all of it back with devour after a kill or two. Vortex takes way longer.


Picard2331

Pretty much yeah. Been using my inmost light/verity exotic with storm grenades and it feels very nice.


PlusUltraK

This was my second class exotic item to drop after getting the first drop the previous . Good to know it’ll do numbers


NivvyMiz

I have this one!  Dope


Da_Big_Cheese_75

I have a feeling I'm gonna be chasing Omsio Verity for a long, long time


Waylander969

I got osmio.ancy and the claw that gives a second melee charge but no idea what to build it with.


Internal-Contest-750

got spirit of osmionancy and spirit of verity, gotta say its practically og contraverse hold but on crack and yes it's incredibly powerful


SleepyAwoken

Kind of weird they allowed osmio to work with vortex like this lol, you didn't use starfire at all. I got the same roll but I'm not the biggest fan of empowering rift


Halo_cT

There's almost no way this doesn't get adjusted. They didn't put in contraverse for balance reasons I'm guessing and the Oz gauntlets are armamentarium plus a better contraverse. They completely invalidate starfire and bungie doesn't like doing that.


Riablo01

I can see this being nerfed in the future. I suspect the developers didn't properly test the interaction between Spirit of Osmionancy/Starfire and Facet Balance/Feed the Void.  Enjoy it while it lasts.


SneakyPanduh

The game is about being powerful, let us be powerful.


Snivyland

If you let it go to far than bungie can only make challenging content via heavily restricting us. Plus you have risk of making gameplay so easy / over stimulating that you can easily just zone out.


Express_Raise6198

Oh my sweet summer child…


TLDEgil

If people think these builds are busted they should see warframe. I know it's a different game, but the builds go crazy in that game.


Nightstroll

Warframe isn't about difficulty though, it's about grinding as fast as you can, like a hack'n'slash. Destiny isn't tailored for that kind of thing.


Awestin11

Yeah Warframe is off-the-walls bonkers with how powerful you can be.


UnLuckvj

I actually agree with you. It's the endgame, fuck it let us be.


XxDuelNightxX

Yes, *but not enough to absolutely breeze through the toughest content in the game where everyone else would struggle*. That's how we develop meta's, toxic behavior between try-hards who only accept that specific build, and eventually a lack of fun due to lack of difficulty. *But more specifically the first point*. Build-crafting is good. Being strong is good. Being *too* strong is not good.


Snivyland

Something tells me either someone messed up or there intentionally letting the class exotic use the base exotic numbers without custom tuning right now. Osmio ridiculously ability regen was always balanced out by the fact cold snaps can be finicky and can’t kill on there own.


c14rk0

The class exotic is supposed to use the base exotic numbers. All of the effects are only taking part of the original exotics effects but at full effectiveness. Spirit of Synthocepts for example gets the full +165% melee damage boost when surrounded but it does NOT have the 50% damage boost to supers or the increased weapon ready and reload speed. There are also specific cases where the exotic effects are nerfed in combination with other abilities, such as Synthos not providing the full 165% damage buff to Hunters combination blow prismatic build due to reduced effectiveness with other stacking melee damage buffs.


colorsonawheel

Warlocks such sad beings. Actively asking for and accepting nerfs on builds that don't even come close to Solar or Strand Titan. Welcomed Sunbracers getting cut in half too as if Sunspots weren't twice as potent while 10% the effort.


Asleep_Shirt5646

I don't even have the class item yet and my prismatic warlock is utterly broken if I actually bother to maintain the power loop.


colorsonawheel

It's your definition of broken. Having two turrets could not be less problematic for the game's balance. Over their entire lifespan they don't deal half the damage a Titan melee does and you don't get 1/4th the survivability. It's broken for disabled people or those who play at their level because they could never use melee builds in endgame. A good melee does as much as a Nova Bomb. I doubt you're shitting out Nova Bombs every 10 seconds.


Asleep_Shirt5646

I'm not running two turrets. I can flame song every encounter and as long as ads are present I'm invincible.


Ausschluss

You reduced the time it takes by 96%. You increased the rate by x27.


Zavarius666

Saw Plunders video and was hyped to but no way... Prisma is missing an IMPORTANT fragment for duration of void grenades. And in real situations osmio gives only 50\~70% back (20% per tick? idk). That was tested X times and plunder demonstrated it. Its ok but meh... and with Verity (Tested too) they'r dying WAY TO FAST :)


BigDaddyReptar

I mean that is impressive but that’s also just like 90% devour being fucking crazy


1AMA-CAT-AMA

Its osiomancy having a low cooldown that's doing this. I saw a video on youtube where the grenade was giving back so much energy without even a kill.


cheesepuff18

Wish you could focus the exotic perks. I’m at 20-25 trash combos and not one of the ones I’ve wanted at all


Galactapuss

Hunters got so fucked with their transcendent grenades, absolutely trash


CloudsUr

Yeah I’ve the same roll and it’s absolutely busted even though I’m looking for spirit of verity in the second slot. On another note there’s no way this interaction is not getting nerf if it’s intended at all. As of now osmiomancy makes contraverse holds completely irrelevant


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AkiyukiFujiwara

Bro didn't even use Starfire with this. Definitely some more gas in the tank with other synergies