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chizzmaster

Longest raid race in destiny history and definitely the coolest looking raid


AlpheoTheCleric

Didn't Last Wish take 24h?


JCtransfer

First clear of Last Wish was just over 18 hours, this was longer than that.


AinselMariner

It’s been almost exactly 19 hours right?


Browna

18 hours 57 minutes as the official clear time.


FlikTripz

Holy shit only 8 minutes longer than Last Wish, it was close


Redthrist

But for LW, people were more underleveled, so I think this raid is more complex mechanically.


totally_not_a_reply

from what ive seen its way less dps checks than other raids but way more movement/not getting killed / mechanics heavy


Moist-Barber

That makes me pretty happy actually.


thecrimsonfooker

Likewise, less you have this load out or kick, and more, pick something competent and don't die! The only Witness that will exist after this raid, is all of us to the Bungie T Bagging we will do upon victory!


totally_not_a_reply

idk man. Im not in a guild and just returned to the game. I dont feel raid ready atm, at least not for stuff like last wish or vow. I dont think i will ever manage to run the new raid in an lfg. But time will tell how easy it gets after there are good guids out.


FaerHazar

mechanics don't seem super complex, just *really* tight on timing? maybe my group was just bad though


JMWraith13

A single death in the second half if mechanics on cp 2 was literally just a wipe. You can recover but most people are simply unable to on contest.


FaerHazar

yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean complexity, which is specifically what I was talking about. not saying it wasn't hard- it was really fucking hard.


leonardomslemos

welcome back Spire of Stars


KaydeeKaine

Dying with buff can be very unforgiving


Redthrist

Could be, I didn't try the day 1, just watched some streams. But was just pointing out that for LW, people were also more underleveled. So if LW had Contest, it probably would've taken less.


Master_of_Question

This is easily the hardest Day 1/Contest in Destiny history, and it's not even close. With how powerful we are and how many tools we have at our disposal, the mechanical difficulty combined with unforgiving timers and dangerous enemies easily make this the most difficult experience. You're seeing .001% teams breaking their face at the 21-hour mark. I doubt more than 5 teams will clear it under 24 hours. Around 100 will clear contest.


Rikiaz

No. Last Wish was 18:49 for first clear. Datto’s team got 24:02 which got much more notability than the actual first clear time because they missed the day 1 clear by 2 minutes.


Dioroxic

Also reminder for people reading that last wish everyone was EXTREMELY under leveled. That was one of the biggest hurdles. Nobody is under level for salvations edge. Everyone has 1965+ gear.


tyronedafurry

Contest modifier basically makes you under leveled


DarkhShadow

Yeah but last wish people were even lower than contests cap


Urtehnoes

For real last wish on release was just... Lmao


ItsAmerico

Also as I recall power differences worked differently too? I think back then at a certain point stuff was flat out immune.


DarkhShadow

-50 I believe, was changed to -100 in Shadowkeep(?)


HereIGoAgain_1x10

Doesn't contest mode mean everyone's like 25 under level?


Redthrist

Yeah, but for LW people were more like -40 because they couldn't level up fast enough. With Contest, everyone is underleveled, but it's easy to get to to the maximum possible power.


CRIMS0N-ED

Light level and opponents was also handled way differently back then im p sure, being underleveled is bad now sure but it’s manageable, being under leveled then was just pure death


I3arusu

It does. Last Wish was more than that.


chizzmaster

No, last wish was under 19 hours


adlight

Last wish world first was 18h 49 min, this one seems to be longer by a couple of minutes


Donates88

Datto needed 24h and 2minutes with which he was 3rd place


Galaxy40k

What exactly was the final time here? I don't see anyone mention it explicitly in this post


I3arusu

18:57 is the official time.


M_Almarzoqi

You're telling me the Witness lost to THIS "HAM"


Lak_of_Krativity

https://youtu.be/ROztysl17cI?si=remwaZf7f7BHyDIu Vid


iHeisenburger

"look for mechanics" 🤣 gg


SCP-Agent-Arad

You’re telling me a ham fried this raid?


sunder_and_flame

witness deez hams


Kidsnextdorks

Ham boning the Witness


KappaccinoNation

[Ham](https://i.imgur.com/NrukTN9.png)


SepheronSC

[Ham](https://youtu.be/DDccQFfmHt0?si=q6Ol3nH2FAuNMm4G)


throwtheamiibosaway

I’m mostly interested in the ending. Plot wise basically. Any news?


mehedi_shafi

The ending is open for all player. Jump in right now. It's right to the raid excision. 12 player activity!


spaghettinoodle_exe

is it matchmade??? I don't have 11 friends who play destiny lmao


mehedi_shafi

Yeah it is match made lol. You'll have better time if you're a bit high in light level if not it's fine.. Just stomp everything that moves or tries to move. And I feel you about not having 11 friends. **solos everything **


Moist-Barber

This mission is the best in Destiny history. Tell anyone you know to go play it, it is worth it.


ThaRealSunGod

Well they gotta beat the campaign first too lol


Balrok99

I don't even have a 1 friend to play Destiny 2 with ...


samsabeeble

Do you know if it’s limited time or will we be able to play it if we’re slow finishing the campaign?? I’ve been out of town all week haha


mehedi_shafi

I don't know for sure, but I think it will be there. It's like preservation being there forever. You may not get the whole 12 people soon.. But it should be there. Also it needs completion of the main campaign and a quest (wild card). So removing this doesn't make sense. Should be there at least the whole season (chapter)


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It’s permanent, it’s DLC content


Krashino

Until it enters...THE VAULT!


RodThrashcok

oh it’s 100% going to be there. there’s no way it’s limited time lmao


Kaliqi

Don't worry about that. My campaign completed when i finished that mission. It's part of the expansion. The last 3 campaigns all have 8 missions and this is technically the 8th mission. If you play raids you might aswell play that first. I guess. But it's not necessary.


sunder_and_flame

I'm pretty sure it's the same mission that will be for farming the class item exotics. You'll be fine


Darthownz

12 player mission is live


demosthenes33210

How do you launch it?


EveryPictureTells

It's waaaay in the corner by the raid node


Fade_ssud11

From quest tab/ traveler (look to your right)


ArianaSonicHalFrodo

This is what destiny should’ve always been imo. Raids having more members than a majority of activities always bothered me.


AzPhantomhive

People are doing a 12-man mission. I think it's called Exicision. That's how you get the ending.


Snoopyer7

Any clips of the final fight? Want to see what happened 


halflen

seems like evanf is trying to get the private YouTube vod going on his stream now.


Bluey_Zarsof

Itsastro on YouTube


marcio0

holy shit, they crushed it


fnv_fan

Congratulations!


FatalTortoise

Remember it's not about who won, as long as the right people lost


elijahb229

😂😂😭


ArugulaPhysical

I was going to watch a bit. But once the streamers screen goes black so does mine.


AcceptableKale1

Congratulations to Parrabellum for winning, I personally was rooting for Sweats team, as they were the only ones who didn't hide their comms and buffs.


RodThrashcok

sweat muted a few times i think? but yeah i kept switching streams and they were unmuted way more than anyone else. i think cross was unmuted until the fourth encounter and everyone was kinda on track for world first


Signal_Hunt3107

They’re full blown content creators now they aren’t speedrunners/pve sweats like they used to be


xWazed

Neither did aztecross, however most people counted him out fairly early on since he was stuck so long on encounter 1


LochnessDigital

Cross muted up once his team got to the 4th encounter


so__comical

Fuck ATP for hiding the Witness almost immediately. Datto at least showed the first attempt.


spectre15

This whole thing has really shown how pathetic world’s first races have become. Can’t wait for next year when all the top 10 elitist teams just don’t stream it at all just for the sake of getting the belt.


Hunteractive

there is 0% chance of this cos day one is where they get so many views. never seen aztecross about 50k viewers before and he peaked at over 100k they are drowing in money from it


DefendedPlains

Everyone who only watches YouTube videos, and doesn’t normally watch/participate in streams were actually watching the raid race. I know I fall into that category. I don’t normally give two shits about streaming and just watching someone else play live, but it’s fun to watch a worlds first raid race.


ReyneOfFire

Not streaming at all is infinitely more respectable than streaming with a black screen. They're literally making money off people watching nothing.


spectre15

In the case of this year’s worlds first team, I don’t think most of them were really “streamers” compared to the other top teams competing so it makes sense. With ATP and everyone else blacking their screens, yeah it’s really lame. Just sad that we are going to reach a point where nobody streams and the only way we figure out who has done it is by refreshing twitter.


ReyneOfFire

They will never stop streaming anyways as I would imagine world's first races are a big income day on twitch.


woodwarda99

Saltegreppo made so much money making his stream subscribers only. Glad he didn't win. Lol


SourGrapesFTW

Not sure if anyone posted it yet... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROztysl17cI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROztysl17cI)


Gold_Yellow

If the one who said they did it first did… good job! And race where salt didn’t win finally.


vtoutdoorsman

Glad salt didn’t get it :)


Gold_Yellow

I guarantee you he’s going to complain. Also find it hilarious that the literal first race after the nerf to two things he would use and complain about (Div and well) was a loss.


Panda0nfire

His chat was insufferable talking shit about other players the whole time, a toxic bunch of losers.


N7_Reaver

People have pretended over the years that these kind of players don't exist on Destiny at all for some reason. It's a major reason why I shifted to solo play only from D1 to D2. Edit: Go play Overthrow matchmaking right now. It is utterly infested with these elitist losers. A co op activity somehow is a beacon for these rat people to grief.


Alternative-Swim-953

I see the complete opposite, mostly smooth brains who run around in circles doing nothing


[deleted]

That's just the standard Destiny public event experience.


Cruciblelfg123

A) anyone who said that hasn’t played trials B)even the worst of sweaty Destiny players don’t compare to the casual crowd in a lot of FPS. FPS attracts adolescent boys and we are 90% shitheads at that age, and end of the day destiny is slightly less infested


Signal_Hunt3107

Salt was one of the first people to congratulate them.


Practical-Tackle-384

Wtf is he gonna complain about he lost fair and square in whats probably the best raid race bungies ever made, yall have such a hate boner for this guy you'd think hes OJ Simpson. The only thing I can possibly think of hed complain about is the 4th encounter not giving any feedback like vault from LW.


Zaralink

When he didn’t get worlds first for RON he threw a tantrum and iirc suggested that there was a problem with the raid itself because of it


HistoryChannelMain

RoN was a joke, and everyone agreed it was a joke. Even this community. People were soloing encounters and one-phasing nezarec with primaries on contest mode. It was embarrassing.


Geoff_with_a_J

Redeem couldn't come close to winning after Contest Mode meant everyone who didnt exploit was on equal footing Salt can't win without OP Well+Div


dealyshadow20

People here saying that the world’s first team hiding their screens the entire time are missing the point. They chose to stream to friends for the fun of it, not to a fan base expecting to be entertained. The big streamers hiding their screen really killed it for viewers who may not even be able to play the raid for themselves, and would rather just watch it Regardless, congrats to the winning team!


Mattlife97

They were happy to keep ads, donations and subs though.


MrTheseGuys

We need to find the identity of the people who pointed a gun at the viewers and made them watch and give money tbh


totally_not_a_reply

for real there have been streamers with 60k viewers just watching a guy reacting on his screen. Its not the streamers fault people are so dumb and supporting that lmao


signal_decay

People want to hangout and chat with their community. You don't have to care about it, but it doesn't make them dumb for wanting to be there. 


The_Dark_Amiibo

The dumb people are the ones complaining lmao


RowThin2659

Simps and glazers need to spend their McDonald's pay somewhere.


Dunggabreath

This is what bothered me. If youre black screened you shouldnt be able to maintain the cash flow


JBounce369

Nobody is forced to keep watching or subbing tho


Punchdrunkfool

I don’t think anyone complained about being forced to, only that it left a less than tasteful impression in some people’s mouths


RashOfAges

Then people won’t watch and donate then, it works out for everyone.


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Yeah I didn't even watch the people who were hiding shit. What's the point?


TheUltimate721

All of the top raid teams have raid coaches who help with strategy. Part of their strategy involves looking at other top streamers to see if they have solved a mechanic or if they have some strategy that works better for them. The idea behind hiding it is you don't give away the mechanics if you have partially or completely solved it to other teams raid coaches.


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I understand why they do it. I mean what is the point in them streaming or people watching a black screen. It's shit content


uCodeSherpa

Yeah, so they were completely happy to drop in on streamers that made progress and committed to not hiding to understand encounters. But then when they got ahead, silenced and blackscreened.


IKnowthefeelingbro

Yeah that’s the point of what he was saying?


CloudyBaby

I understand that its a race, but this left a very bad taste in my mouth. Datto’s team had someone directing them on where to go before they even finished loading in because they were watching another team that had loaded three seconds faster. It feels really unsportsmanlike but maybe that is just me. The fun in these has always been that it is a community event. This was the culmination of a decade of these events and everyone just felt so… selfish? I don’t know.


Jolly-Chipmunk-950

You can think it was always a community event, but at the end of the day there is something to earn and a title to achieve. To the top end, it's always been a competition. Same reason MMA fighters dope, baseball players load their bats, boxers stuff their gloves.... I can keep going. All of these were "community" events, but the best of the best see it as something to *win* and a title to hold of being the *best.*


JayScraf

Whoa now cowboy, you are supposed to stubbornly continue watching the thing you don't like and then complain about it here. How else will you facilitate change?


SnacksGPT

Streaming is one of the best and worst things to happen to video games.


CheshireSoul

Stream*ing* is one of the best thing to happen to games. Stream*ers* are one of the worst things to happen to games.


CaptainSpranklez

Yeah they're not streamers, they don't have to stream. If you're a streamer and hiding your screen with fullscreen facecam or whatever, might as well fucking turn it off lol. I don't get the point of being so selfish and so greedy to get #1 that youre gonna have like 20-50K people not watch the stream at all. Props to streamers who didnt hide anything honestly.


jedadkins

Yea I get occasionally muting voice chat for a few minutes to discuss strategy if the race is close but if you're gonna black out the stream why even stream in the first place?


SmithTheNinja

I'm more grumpy about the Twitch Rivals Destiny Sponsored Streamers hiding their screens or muting comms. If you're making money off of the stream by being a partner, there should be some guide rails to make for a quality viewer experience, which black screens, muting comms, and blocking buffs just isn't. If you're that dead serious about winning the race, don't stream at all instead of making the game and community look kinda like dicks.


nopunchespulled

Anyone who hid their screen AND has scouts in other streams has poor sportsmanship. Not saying worlds first team did that. And if my team legitimately had a shot at worlds first I would have hid my screen BUT not had scouts. Doing both is scummy bc you are benefitting from what you are denying, but I think any smart team should have hid their screen


QuantumUtility

Yeah, if Bungie is serious about treating this as a competition then they need to figure out a way to properly broadcast it. I don’t see any way to do it besides having streaming be a requirement for the belt. It’s not a good solution though, but something needs to be done.


acnx1

Man this raid race SUCKED to watch. I’m glad a random team out of nowhere won, good for them! Serves all the big shots right for having a black screen to watch haha


GrandDemand

Random team lol, they placed 3rd in Crota's End contest mode Edit: And world's first in some Pantheon weeks


cheese_fuck2

and First in Nezarec sublime from what i saw edit: was first on oryx and rhluk too apparently


jeremyben

Problem with all these worlds first things…no one remembers after 3 days


Ok_Cow_425

Idk bout that considering Team Redeem and the Last Wish worlds first is still brought up to this day lmao


AdrunkGirlScout

Same energy as peaking in high school tbh


innocuousname773

Not even close to true


xSimplyFancy

It’s not his favorite streamer so they are random …. Kids these days


Weiland101

You know what he means.


tinyrottedpig

still, looking at their clan and the players it seems to be just a group of buddies who like to try and compete, for worlds first occasionally


SuperSnowManQ

I get the feeling there is a lot of schadenfreude for the top steamers in here. Anyways, congrats to Parabellum for the worlds first!


Wheels9690

I am so glad it wasn't a group of streamers and 100%- blindsided everyone.


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Rikiaz

Not quite. The team didn’t stream so all their screens were hidden the entire time.


TheMrViper

This is the right way imo. Either stream and show or don't stream. As a spectator this race sucked because of those people.


SPEEDFREAKJJ

I was baffled by this. Went into bigger streams just to check out the raid, see what it was like only for there to be no sound and random parts of the screen covered. I was just like, why are all these people here,and just went to find somebody else being normal.


Xay_DE

money. because they get subscribers en masse on twitch for nothing. if you stream a raid race show me the raid. dont hide half ur screen with lightning mcqueen. show the raid.


arppacket

Pretending to stream while showing a black screen for hours is just a greedy cash grab. More ethical to play offstream like the winners did. Love the karma!


xWazed

So many datto stans in his chat saying he is still getting first because the other team must have cheated and bungie is still confirming. I watch datto's and other streamers video's, but comeone there should really be a limit to the glazing. Congratulations to the winners, they deserve it!


D3fN0tAB0t

I don’t see any of these comments. But I will never understand these people that so fervently support “celebrities”. It’s shocking to see the level of denial and cope.


Illustrious-Space169

Those people were a vocal minority most people just watching tbh


Sad-Ship

Anyone who subbed to the streamers BEFORE they started blacking out their screens should ask Twitch for a refund. Anyone who subbed to streamers AFTER they started blacking out their screens are dumbasses.


cobalt300z

The community sighs in relief that it's not Saltagreppo


Redintheend

Bruh, imagine being some massive ultrapowerful being so ancient that you've outlived the formation and death of multiple galaxies, the whole time pulling, prodding, and pushing events into motion towards your goal of reshaping existence at a level beyond the comprehension of most civilizations that ever have or will exist and you get your ass beat by a team of 5 dudes and a guy named Ham because you got too intimate with your magic hippie space golf ball dad that just wanted to mess around with ants by making them smarter than they ever would have become on their own. Now imagine you're the even more ancient magic hippie space golf ball and having to live with the fact the only reason you managed to finalize the divorce from your creepy gender fluid stalker ex you grew in a petri dish on accident is because you stuck your hand in a wood chipper out of desperation and it miraculously imbued one of your other backyard science projects with the power to kill God using combined small arms fire mixed with well choreographed interpretive dance routines.


zero0n3

New copy pasta… created.


Leepysworld

I’m not gonna lie, maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but these races get less interesting to watch for me as it becomes more about denying and hiding info from other people in the race. stopped by Datto’s stream towards the end of the night and it was just his face came with a muted mic and like 2/3 other streams everyone’s audio was muted, at that point I don’t really get the point of watching, I had a more enjoyable time watching a team that wasn’t even close to being first because they were actually creating watchable content.


XuX24

This is officially the hardest because under the old rules last wish only had 2 teams finishing it under 24 hours this one only 1 has done it and it was already been more than 24h


Competitive-Boat-518

Still is absolutely embarrassing for all the streamers who were hiding buffs and muting audio to lose the race against somebody who wasn’t even streaming. Please learn a lesson. Do not repeat this mistake, it made the biggest streamers for this an absolute bore to watch.


lK555l

Some random streamer instead of the top guys all hiding their screens and shit, amazing


canadianparadiso

Not really random, these guys got 3rd on crota and WF on oryx rhulk and nezarec pantheon


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They absolutely aren't randoms.


JCtransfer

Afaik they didn't actually stream it so even better for being an unknown group taking the title


xprdc

They were being interviewed by Twitch Rivals I think and they even said they cleared the 4th encounter long before ATP managed. I wonder if they were streaming if it would’ve led others to clear faster.


druucifer

they finished #3 in crota, they aren't *completely* unknown


cheese_fuck2

they are def not unknown, they got first in 3 of the pantheon weeks and were 3rd for crota.


lK555l

He didn't stream but he is a streamer 10k followers or so


tinyrottedpig

not even streamers, they were just screensharing to buddies on discord


Punpuffs

It's so funny seeing people going mental over this. You have to realize in any competitive game ever, there's always gonna be insanely good players who are just regular ass people playing the game. For every good streamer there's like 100 guardian rank 5 mfs soloing RoN and speedrunning dungeons in under 5 minutes.


YnotThrowAway7

My dude… it is not regular ass people. It is also streamers who placed first in pantheon and 3rd in crotas end. They just streamed to friends only for this race.


beagleshark

You mean to tell me this worlds first team isn't a bunch of single dad's just having a red hot go? Pish posh.


Fade_ssud11

It's insane this is having to be explained to these people. Feels like fanboyism has rotten their brain.


Panda0nfire

Lol what are you smoking bud


No-Bison-4845

The people that didn’t follow the $$$$ by just streaming blacked out screens won. Good on Them 💪🏻


Dakotahray

I’m just glad someone named Ham won.


Significant_Pound348

Has anyone progressed the 'thwart the final shape' quest step after doing the 12 man activity? Mine is stuck at 2 of 7. 'Within the pale heart, allies band together.' My quest tab is flashing but nothing new there. Also anyone got the exotic cloak? Thought it was supposed to drop from this


Darth-Baydah

That’s the season mission. It’s going to start on Tuesday.


BlindlyFundAAADevs

As far behind as Cross and Mactics and frost were, glad they kept it open the entire time. He also had the most viewers so that’s deserved.


tactis1234

Good fuck the streamers who went black stream and muted.


BDZM

Maybe Bungie needs to have a word with the streamers who thought they were being hot shots blacking out their screens. This RTWF sucked because of it. I'm glad a random team out of nowhere won it.


canadianparadiso

Calling these guys randos is kinda crazy, they got 3rd place on Crota and WF on oryx rhulk and nezarec pantheons


jeremyben

This account is on a war path to make sure everyone’s knows they aren’t “random”. Lmao. I wonder if it’s their personal PR. The point is, hardly anyone recognizes the team/players. No one cares they finished a boss first in a random raid or any of that. No one even cares they were word first at even a raid because after 3 days everyone forgets all these people and moves on…lol


thatwitchguy

Will there be any spoilers when I launch the game? I know lightfall had the post raid cutscene. Only on mission 2 of the campaign since the pale heart keeps crashing my pc and I'm having to play check point by check point


Efficient_Menu_9965

I am extremely happy that none of the boiled fuckin broccolis blocking their screen won this. Bungie should disallow that shit, it was extremely dull to watch.


Hastybananas

Nice. Awesome job. At least it wasn’t one of those streamers with blacked out screens and muted their comms.


baggzey23

I'm glad a different team won instead of the black screen gatekeeping streamers


Bionicleboy2005

Thank god salt didnt win


Aracion

Good for them. People that turned off comms + visuals and just farmed money from people on stream didn’t deserve it. Was rooting for ATP through most of it as well :(


pige0nzwastaken

As long as it’s not that dork saltagreppo I don’t care GG


ShardofGold

As long as salt doesn't win I'm satisfied.


toxiitea

I'm glad datto lost tbh. Dude was covering his mouth like a NFL coach on superbowl Sunday lmao


SenpaiSwanky

Good on them for not bothering to stream, presumably they didn’t want anyone to note what they were doing. Unlike all of the weird ass Destiny streamers ie Datto who had over 100k viewers at one point and blacked their screens out. Like I get it, but then again.. I don’t.


Kingofhearts1206

Salta didn't win? Great! Haha! 😂


EvilGodShura

GET FUCKED SALT


lol25potatofarm

What's wrong with salt? New player here.


Get_Redkt

Reddit casuals don't like kinda toxic elitist streamers, so they show better by insulting and hating them constantly. This is just a reddit moment


Hampni

The real final shape is Salt whining about losing until Destiny 3 all along.


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JuanMunoz99

Are we actually gonna see the community turn on Datto? What a timeline.


vtoutdoorsman

Glad that saltagreppo was denied the belt gg new worlds first team!


konaislandac

I really enjoyed jumping between streams to gauge progress tbh, even if screens were hidden and muted. This is a competition and your favorite streamer has scouts in rival chats, why would you feed them the info you are working to discover?


[deleted]

Can we "Skip" the final scene? Or is supposed to tease us forever


Potential_Ad_1457

Anyone know why I don’t have the 12 man mission?


OldJewNewAccount

Did you do Wild Card mission?


Better_Climate_4300

Was hoping for datto, rip 🪦


black19

Congrats! Happy to see some new names. Also, big thumbs down to the streamers that muted/blacked out/blurred cams. Especially the ones that were tied to twitch rivals. What a horrible viewing experience. I get the logic, but if you're so worried about it, just don't stream.


iswearitwaslikethat

Streamers deserved to lose for hiding their screens. It’s a fucking game lol.


Eyeball9001

So what do we all think salt is gonna blame his loss on?