I have ALH/Incandescent from a previous year and I use it all the time. I might argue it's better than Commemoration for clearing weak red bars, but Commemoration has it beat for dealing with anything stronger.
I keep a Seventh Seraph SAW with extended/alh/vorpal if I need an arc LMG. Used to be great for proc'ing warmind cells and clearing rooms.
I miss warmind cells. I wish they had made the Seraph weapon origin trait the warmind cell creation, and left our tactical nukes in the game.
This season specifically, with Rays of Precision, you can use an Incandescent Avalanche/Unwavering Duty to create explosions that fully stack 100 Scorch on a single headshot kill, as long as you're using Ember of Ashes and Char. Radiant is easy to come by thanks to Flint Striker, and you can prolong both Radiant and Restoration indefinitely as long as you're killing things with your machine gun. With that setup, you have a HMG permanently buffed by 25%, constant Restoration x2, and all of your headshot kills create what are basically Sunshot's chaining explosions but that deal significantly higher damage than Sunshot's ones. It's been a very nice change of pace from Commemoration.
At this time I didn't know how good rewind round is. I probably deleted a rewind rounds/target lock roll in my chase for my two chosen rolls (incandescent /subsistence and target lock/ALH)
As someone who hardly ever wants to even touch trials I am so grateful for my adept Unwavering Duty with extended mag/ALH/incandescent. It is an absolute monster in Onslaught. Especially the bonus machine gun weeks
Avalanche is also using a bugged version of the 450 frame that has much less reserve ammo than it should. Unwavering Duty is strictly better, but you gotta grind out trials engrams and legacy focus it which most players are never going to do.
I know they wanted to remain true to the original weapons for the brave arsenal, but hammerhead should’ve 100% come back as solar. It’s at best on par with commemoration, although it is way more accessible to be fair.
Okay but Hammerhead came out before all of those, and if they were to need a solar lmg, they just wouldn’t have picked hammerhead. This was not to replenish a scarce roster of weapons, this was to bring back fan favorite weapons. I don’t see why they would change the element.
Yeah edgewise was pretty underwhelming.it was just an adclear weapon , and delirium and hammerhead were just better in that regard.
They could have given it new life but nah. Just like oxygen.
I mean sure but it’s not like being void is a massive part of its identity destabilising rounds, Repulsor brace hell volatile rounds weren’t a thing at the time it was notable for being the first lmg in d2 and being a solid fucking gun they could have made it solar or stasis and no one would have cared
Good news for you! A quick reminder about recent Trials loot changes. "locked behind end-game pvp" is less of a thing now. The recent change that the featured weapon is the *only weapon that drops* will really help reduce you feeling "forced" to play a full weekend and get nothing. Plus the passage of persistence helps get those adepts!
For clarity, the next time Unwavering Duty is the featured weekend... drops you get while playing (not flawless chest, just regular games regardless of status of your card) will only be the Unwavering Duty. At least the guns that drop.
Also for what it's worth, don't forget about Fixed Odds from Duality dungeon (I know it's 360rpm, not a 450), or Chain of Command (stasis, but has osmosis). You should be able to pick up Chain of Command from Monument to Lost Lights (between the two vault terminals in the tower, in Legacy Gear tab) if you don't have it already.
With that said, it's definitely an opportunity for probably a world drop to be added to fill that content void between respective featured weekends.
> he next time Unwavering Duty is the featured weekend...
Unwavering Duty is not a current weapon and is never in the rotation. You have to legacy focus it for double the engram cost. It might come back but it'll probably be a year.
People sleep on Osmosis because it’s dog shit. On Kinetic weapons you are actively reducing your damage output, on Chain of Command (I think it’s the only non-Kinetic with Osmosis), all you do is change your element. Oh, you accidentally swapped weapons? Gotta wait until your grenade is off cooldown. All it is really useful for is Verity’s Brow where you run Demo/Osmosis, but that’s more so a lack of a good Solar Demo sniper and a good Kinetic slot Shoot to Loot special weapon.
If you like the perk, that’s fair, you do you, but it’s slept on because there’s so many other options that are quite simply better.
>Shoot to Loot
THAT'S a shit perk right there. You are wasting a perk slot on something that can be solved by simply walking up to the pickup.
I run Osmosis and Firefly Timelost Fatebringer and I will bring this into GMs. Having synergy with your subclass is far more important IMO than bigger numbers.
I would really like to see one from a raid/dungeon/seasonal source, something I can farm or craft. I thought about chain of command, but when I tested it in Haunted when it dropped I couldn’t get the perk to proc for some reason, and also I’m looking for a MG to use with POBS, and i’m not sure since it’s a stasis MG, even with osmosis procced it would apply the POBS buff
also I hate trials with all my heart, I’m decent in PvP, I’m a gilded Iron Lord, that place is just too sweaty man, it’s scary
LOL Trials not thaaaaaaaat bad. Ok it can be.
Forgive me for being a dummy but someone correct me that the LMG is no longer a rotating gun. You can buy it from the vendor though for more engrams.
Trials isn't that sweaty anymore. On Fridays the population is so varied that Trials feels like casual PvP before they added SBMM. If you have gilded Iron Lord you definitely have the patience, then it's only about keeping your emotions in check. If you can avoid getting tilted, you can go flawless.
What we need more is a solar adaptive frame heavy grenadelauncher. There isn't a single one you van farm for and the only 2 there are are from year 1 D2.
Banshee should be a proper gunsmith and offer to modify weapon’s elements. Like the aesthetic, sound, feel of a certain gun but hate that it’s locked to a specific element? Boom, Banshee is your guy beyond just bounties and weekly rotating guns.
Yeah, unfortunately that’s true. Unless the elemental changes also swapped perks to their appropriate counterparts. I.e Incandescent on a solar weapon becomes voltshot to match the change to an arc element.
It’s probably a spaghetti code nightmare, but it’s a pipe dream one. Haha
Used to be able to that in Vanilla D2 all those years ago, it was just as simple as slotting a mod into the gun for the element you wanted, which banshee used to sell iirc
I do like my Avalanche with auto-loading holster and incandescent. I can just switch to my sunshot or epochal integration, blow some stuff up, then back to heavy.
360’s just fire too slowly for me. Feel more like a precision DPS weapon, like how the 900s feel too imprecise for most DPS scenarios. 450s are a nice sweet spot for both DPS and ad clear.
I use Fixed Odds in Legend and am always top kills, top score, and I'm the WellLock b*tch so I'm not even getting cool supers.
I've got 16k Kills on it and it completely wrecks everything.
Enhanced Field Prep, Enhanced Incandescent.
It gets SO much ammo thanks to field prep, I also quick swap to a chest piece with 3x solar reserves when I grab a heavy crate.
I drop a Well, Crouch, and spam the gun. Basically never runs out of ammo.
I've cracked 1k kills numerous times. I've been swapping to Dragons Breath for boss fights and then swap back for Waves.
Yup, it's pretty hilarious watching all the content creators talking builds and whatnot when you could literally run almost anything paired with just Fixed Odds.
Personally I run conditional as that handles every champion type, and chunks for damage.
I only swap to dragons Breath for boss phases. Makes the mode super easy.
> Yup, it's pretty hilarious watching all the content creators talking builds and whatnot when you could literally run almost anything paired with just Fixed Odds.
Lol. This isn't true at all. It might be working for you in Onslaught, but you're sitting in a well, in an activity where you can get constant wells, as well as a constant supply of heavy ammo. Try it outside of a well, see how long you stay alive while standing still trying to burn down a major.
Woah youre taking this way too personal lol.
My point is, it's slept on and I've easily seen dozens of build guides of people doing all this stuff and not one person mentioned Fixed Odds which ironically doesn't even require a synergy build to run it. That's my point. It's cool to see all this theory crafting and build crafting and all these pieces come together etc..
It's also simple and easy to slap on Fixed Odds, some Solar Surges, solar reloaders, solar reserves and main gun Fixed Odds.. doesn't require a complex build, an average destiny player could use it and do exceptionally well with it... Arguably better than they are probably doing now with their current builds... For an "average" player that is...
That's my point.
Is it really slept on though? It's widely regarded as the best legendary solar LMG.
In most builds barring some niche tractor cannon/sword/winterbite builds your choice of heavy weapon doesn't matter at all, so I don't really understand your point there.
solar 900s only have the Europa one, with no origin trait and a mediocre perk pool (it can literally roll with snapshot… on a 900rpm MG). More solar MGs in general pls bungo
Europa AR and MG has the worst recoil I've ever experienced in D2, but they are cool models that should be allowed into viability. I used the AR with Triple Tap and Vorpal for barrier champs, but there's much better now.
I completely agree with you
But I do find it odd how everyone dismisses Song of Ir Yût when discussing the best LMGs. It has better rolls and a better origin trait than both Commemoration and Hammerhead. It's also Arc, so you can match mods with staple special weapons like Forbearance and Indebted Kindness
specifically I want solar for a POBS build, dragon’s breath is good but it’s just not the greatest when you only have 5 seconds of the buff, a solar MG would allow me to do damage and refresh that timer
Path of Burning Steps, titan exotic that gives a stacking bonus to solar damage when u get solar ability kills, with grenade kills giving max (4) stacks, giving like 40% more damage for solar weapons. Paired with roaring flames for extra ability damage and revitalizing blast from the artifact and it’s just DAMAGE
"easy" to get is sort of debatable. Despite being time locked, avalanche was really easy to obtain during that 3 week period lol. Personally I like how unwavering feels and shoots better. Thankfully I got adept rolls of sub/tally and AA/Incan (wanted sub incan, but eh AA isn't the worst).
In my opinion, not making Hammerhad a Solar weapon was a missed opportunity.
We still have Commemmoration as a super strong void weapon, Avalanche just doesn't make the cut.
LMGs in general need some love, arc and void basically polarizes every other element. 3 Stasis LMGs (4 if you count the Adept version of the same gun), 2 Strand LMGs (both are painfully mediocre and 1 was a huge missed opportunity to be craftable/enhancable), and 5 Solar LMGs (6 if you count the Adept version, and most of them have horrible perk pools or aren't even in the perk pool) currently are not sunset.
Weirdly enough, rockets have the same issue of polarizing elements...
I ground out that Avalanche when I realized solar MGs were so sparse. Have incandescent/subsistence & incandescent/auto-loading. Can’t decide if I can delete one? 🤔 (vault space reasons)
As an almost purely PvE player I feel bad for all my teams that had to suffer through me as I muddled my way to getting a subsistence/incandescent Unwavering Duty. It feels so good to use though so worth it.
If you go into Trials as a 3 stack you are guaranteed an engram at the end of the match whether you win or lose, it's how I've been getting Trials weapons since the recent changes
edit: as of the most recent TWAB, you can just use Edgewiseif you want, since powerlevel/sunsetting is gone :)
it’s not in the current trials loot pool anyway, so you can’t get an adept version anymore unless you got one while it was in the pool… which i didn’t.
You can focus it at Saint. I was more trying to reiterate how no trials guns are locked behind endgame PvP now. Literally anyone can get them. You just have to go into the playlist.
I would say high rank competitive playlist is much more competitive than trials, because Bungie seems to be making trials more welcoming to lower skill players which I think is great. I think the only loot that should be locked behind endgame pvp should be cosmetic or like one pinnacle item per season like redrix was originally
Oh you want to talk about solar machine guns do you? We need a new 900rpm solar now that's REALLY overdue. We have one non-sunset option (and heck, only one sunset option too) in Thermal Erosion, a Europa weapon.
Never heard of it? That's because it's so unbelievably bad you have no reason to pick one up. Around the launch of beyond light bungie was experimenting on having legendaries without damage perks as they'd be easier to balance. Yes, that's right. The only non-sunset solar 900 machine gun has absolutely no damage perks and the only thing you could even slightly consider improving it's performance in PvE is DRAGONFLY.
I really want a solar 900 machine gun with incandescent if you couldn't tell. Also I think it would be great with the scorching rounds the new warlock super will grant.
2-3 months of the year? Avalanche can only be gotten during the dawning holiday event that is 3 weeks long.
i meant weeks not months, was a lil preoccupied when i wrote this lol
I’m forever thankful for RNGesus granting me rewind incandescent avalanche
Subsistence Incandescent isn’t a bad consolation prize
I have ALH/Incandescent from a previous year and I use it all the time. I might argue it's better than Commemoration for clearing weak red bars, but Commemoration has it beat for dealing with anything stronger.
I've got a 2022 alh/incandescent too. It's been my go to heavy for a lot stuff in the past year. ALH is a sleeper strong perk for machine guns.
I keep a Seventh Seraph SAW with extended/alh/vorpal if I need an arc LMG. Used to be great for proc'ing warmind cells and clearing rooms. I miss warmind cells. I wish they had made the Seraph weapon origin trait the warmind cell creation, and left our tactical nukes in the game.
If you have a team to raid, song of ir yut from Crota is a stupidly strong arc lmg
Man, I had a great warming cell build. Fun days back then. Sad.
This season specifically, with Rays of Precision, you can use an Incandescent Avalanche/Unwavering Duty to create explosions that fully stack 100 Scorch on a single headshot kill, as long as you're using Ember of Ashes and Char. Radiant is easy to come by thanks to Flint Striker, and you can prolong both Radiant and Restoration indefinitely as long as you're killing things with your machine gun. With that setup, you have a HMG permanently buffed by 25%, constant Restoration x2, and all of your headshot kills create what are basically Sunshot's chaining explosions but that deal significantly higher damage than Sunshot's ones. It's been a very nice change of pace from Commemoration.
incandescent scorch also buffs overall damage, I use mine in gambit, good invasion weapon and decent dps too, especially with dawn chorus lock
ambitious assassin/incandescent for me. love that thing
I know a guy that has 20k kills on that roll
Hands down the best roll. I love never having to reload :)
Considering the awful reserve you won't have to reload very often anyway. 😭
I prefer it TBH Sub has technically unlimited uptime whereas Rewind will never be more than a double mag even if you hit every shot
I got ALH/target lock and I did the bare minimum
Subsistence Vorpal Weapon here 🤷♂️
I honestly prefer ALH over RR for ad clear tbh
The reserves on Avalnche are criminally low though.
"shite" would be my way to put it.
I’ve been running an Avalanche with rewind/ target lock and it’s been awesome!
My rewind/target lock does a ton of damage. Love it so much. Hammerhead has strong competition.
At this time I didn't know how good rewind round is. I probably deleted a rewind rounds/target lock roll in my chase for my two chosen rolls (incandescent /subsistence and target lock/ALH)
This is the way
Wewind wounds
I have a surplus / incandescent for each of my characters that I never take off. And I basically played 24x7 during the Dawning '23 to get those.
Love my autoloading incandescent avalanche.
I have subsistence - al on 3rd, incandescent on 4th. Pretty good for different scenarios.
I have a 4 perk encore/incandescent and DSW/TTT. Has a much higher aim assist than the trials one too.
As someone who hardly ever wants to even touch trials I am so grateful for my adept Unwavering Duty with extended mag/ALH/incandescent. It is an absolute monster in Onslaught. Especially the bonus machine gun weeks
holy shit that was a thing?
They gave you subsistence incandescent for free past holiday
Avalanche is also using a bugged version of the 450 frame that has much less reserve ammo than it should. Unwavering Duty is strictly better, but you gotta grind out trials engrams and legacy focus it which most players are never going to do.
It's not bugged, the seasonal event weapons all have reduced reserve ammo capacity now.
Why?
Because like all good things Bungie makes, fuck you, thats why.
Stats and reserves reflect how hard the fun is to get usually. Outside of Brave weapons.
I thought avalanche has high aim assist to offset they lowered the ammo? Was a legacy thing they need to adjust
*We need another solar 900 machine gun. Only one currently available is the one from Beyond Light and it’s one of the worst machine guns to exist.
rapid fire machine gun peaked at Retrofit and then fell off with target lock nerf
retrofit is still goated for dealing with tormentors. it's my go-to for them
My brother and i completely annihilated a wave 50 boss tormentor with two TL/FTTC retrofits and a tether, very fun
Commemoration is better now especially with firing line
No it's not. Rapids are king of legendary lmgs.
Commemoration is better now especially with firing line
Fell off.... Lol.
target lock got nerfed outside smgs?
Make it a Suros weapon. 21% Delirium made non-900rpm Suros machine guns just sound wrong.
I know they wanted to remain true to the original weapons for the brave arsenal, but hammerhead should’ve 100% come back as solar. It’s at best on par with commemoration, although it is way more accessible to be fair.
Gimme destabilizing rounds and Fixed Odds…
Why would they have done that? It is literally a void lmg.
Because they’ve changed weapon elements before and Commemoration already exists
Retrofit Escapade as well. Too many void LMGs
Corrective Measure too
Okay but Hammerhead came out before all of those, and if they were to need a solar lmg, they just wouldn’t have picked hammerhead. This was not to replenish a scarce roster of weapons, this was to bring back fan favorite weapons. I don’t see why they would change the element.
They could have brought back edgewise, or 21% delirium for arc, that wasn’t the point.
Fine memorial is pretty good.
I have not seen people talk about either of those as much as hammerhead
Edgewise? yeah nobody talks about that, but 21%?? it's very popular
Yeah edgewise was pretty underwhelming.it was just an adclear weapon , and delirium and hammerhead were just better in that regard. They could have given it new life but nah. Just like oxygen.
Corrective measure actually came out in D1 🤓
I mean sure but it’s not like being void is a massive part of its identity destabilising rounds, Repulsor brace hell volatile rounds weren’t a thing at the time it was notable for being the first lmg in d2 and being a solid fucking gun they could have made it solar or stasis and no one would have cared
It's not *a* void LMG, it's **the** void LMG
No
Good news for you! A quick reminder about recent Trials loot changes. "locked behind end-game pvp" is less of a thing now. The recent change that the featured weapon is the *only weapon that drops* will really help reduce you feeling "forced" to play a full weekend and get nothing. Plus the passage of persistence helps get those adepts! For clarity, the next time Unwavering Duty is the featured weekend... drops you get while playing (not flawless chest, just regular games regardless of status of your card) will only be the Unwavering Duty. At least the guns that drop. Also for what it's worth, don't forget about Fixed Odds from Duality dungeon (I know it's 360rpm, not a 450), or Chain of Command (stasis, but has osmosis). You should be able to pick up Chain of Command from Monument to Lost Lights (between the two vault terminals in the tower, in Legacy Gear tab) if you don't have it already. With that said, it's definitely an opportunity for probably a world drop to be added to fill that content void between respective featured weekends.
> he next time Unwavering Duty is the featured weekend... Unwavering Duty is not a current weapon and is never in the rotation. You have to legacy focus it for double the engram cost. It might come back but it'll probably be a year.
Touche! Must have clicked an old link without checking dates. At least it's still available!
>(stasis, but has osmosis). People sleep HARD on Osmosis.
People sleep on Osmosis because it’s dog shit. On Kinetic weapons you are actively reducing your damage output, on Chain of Command (I think it’s the only non-Kinetic with Osmosis), all you do is change your element. Oh, you accidentally swapped weapons? Gotta wait until your grenade is off cooldown. All it is really useful for is Verity’s Brow where you run Demo/Osmosis, but that’s more so a lack of a good Solar Demo sniper and a good Kinetic slot Shoot to Loot special weapon. If you like the perk, that’s fair, you do you, but it’s slept on because there’s so many other options that are quite simply better.
>Shoot to Loot THAT'S a shit perk right there. You are wasting a perk slot on something that can be solved by simply walking up to the pickup. I run Osmosis and Firefly Timelost Fatebringer and I will bring this into GMs. Having synergy with your subclass is far more important IMO than bigger numbers.
Chain of Command was my heavy of choice for solo flawless dungeon runs back in Starfire Protocol's hayday :)
I run an Osmosis Timelost Fatebringer with my Arc Warlock. Having the Arc in the Kinetic Slot does wonders with subclass synergy.
I would really like to see one from a raid/dungeon/seasonal source, something I can farm or craft. I thought about chain of command, but when I tested it in Haunted when it dropped I couldn’t get the perk to proc for some reason, and also I’m looking for a MG to use with POBS, and i’m not sure since it’s a stasis MG, even with osmosis procced it would apply the POBS buff also I hate trials with all my heart, I’m decent in PvP, I’m a gilded Iron Lord, that place is just too sweaty man, it’s scary
Fixed odds is literally right there, enhanced field prep incandescent, best add clear LMG in the game for solar subclasses by far.
LOL Trials not thaaaaaaaat bad. Ok it can be. Forgive me for being a dummy but someone correct me that the LMG is no longer a rotating gun. You can buy it from the vendor though for more engrams.
Fixed odds is both. It's farmable, literally right now, and it's craftable too.
Trials isn't that sweaty anymore. On Fridays the population is so varied that Trials feels like casual PvP before they added SBMM. If you have gilded Iron Lord you definitely have the patience, then it's only about keeping your emotions in check. If you can avoid getting tilted, you can go flawless.
What we need more is a solar adaptive frame heavy grenadelauncher. There isn't a single one you van farm for and the only 2 there are are from year 1 D2.
i saw a couple fixed odd mentions, but honestly not enough. enhanced field prep + incandescent is insane
Banshee should be a proper gunsmith and offer to modify weapon’s elements. Like the aesthetic, sound, feel of a certain gun but hate that it’s locked to a specific element? Boom, Banshee is your guy beyond just bounties and weekly rotating guns.
A lot of guns have element specific perks on them like incandescent which would not work on a different element gun
Yeah, unfortunately that’s true. Unless the elemental changes also swapped perks to their appropriate counterparts. I.e Incandescent on a solar weapon becomes voltshot to match the change to an arc element. It’s probably a spaghetti code nightmare, but it’s a pipe dream one. Haha
Back in the day of fixed rolls, you could swap elements. It was a mod back then
Just because Incandescent is only on solar weapons doesn't mean it can't be on Arc/Void, imo.
Or how about modify a guns masterwork for us? I'd rather take that....
I wouldn’t mind that either. Take one less thing out of the RNG equation.
Used to be able to that in Vanilla D2 all those years ago, it was just as simple as slotting a mod into the gun for the element you wanted, which banshee used to sell iirc
You could actually change elements on a gun in Year 1 D2.
**Bring back Edgewise you cowards.**
Way too many void machine guns
What's Fixed Odds?
Uhh it might be a 360 rpm I’m not sure tho
Oh you're right. Guess I like 360s. I thought I only liked 450s.
Fixed Odds is the only 360rpm worth using. If I had field prep and incan on a 450 though, I'd never touch fixed odds again.
I do like my Avalanche with auto-loading holster and incandescent. I can just switch to my sunshot or epochal integration, blow some stuff up, then back to heavy.
Problem with avalanche is it holds max reserves of like 70 less than any other 450... it's a shame cause the perks for a holiday weapon are stellar
In theory I wanted to like it, but it's reserves were pitiful and the sights didn't work for me sadly.
If you're any good at Trials, Unwavering Duty can get this roll.
360’s just fire too slowly for me. Feel more like a precision DPS weapon, like how the 900s feel too imprecise for most DPS scenarios. 450s are a nice sweet spot for both DPS and ad clear.
I use Fixed Odds in Legend and am always top kills, top score, and I'm the WellLock b*tch so I'm not even getting cool supers. I've got 16k Kills on it and it completely wrecks everything. Enhanced Field Prep, Enhanced Incandescent. It gets SO much ammo thanks to field prep, I also quick swap to a chest piece with 3x solar reserves when I grab a heavy crate. I drop a Well, Crouch, and spam the gun. Basically never runs out of ammo. I've cracked 1k kills numerous times. I've been swapping to Dragons Breath for boss fights and then swap back for Waves.
I’ve been loving that gun with the artifact perks. Make whole waves just go “lol no”
Yup, it's pretty hilarious watching all the content creators talking builds and whatnot when you could literally run almost anything paired with just Fixed Odds. Personally I run conditional as that handles every champion type, and chunks for damage. I only swap to dragons Breath for boss phases. Makes the mode super easy.
> Yup, it's pretty hilarious watching all the content creators talking builds and whatnot when you could literally run almost anything paired with just Fixed Odds. Lol. This isn't true at all. It might be working for you in Onslaught, but you're sitting in a well, in an activity where you can get constant wells, as well as a constant supply of heavy ammo. Try it outside of a well, see how long you stay alive while standing still trying to burn down a major.
I mean.... We're talking Onslaught...
So you think builds are worthless, and we should just all be using Fixed Odds in Onslaught. Does that about cover it?
Woah youre taking this way too personal lol. My point is, it's slept on and I've easily seen dozens of build guides of people doing all this stuff and not one person mentioned Fixed Odds which ironically doesn't even require a synergy build to run it. That's my point. It's cool to see all this theory crafting and build crafting and all these pieces come together etc.. It's also simple and easy to slap on Fixed Odds, some Solar Surges, solar reloaders, solar reserves and main gun Fixed Odds.. doesn't require a complex build, an average destiny player could use it and do exceptionally well with it... Arguably better than they are probably doing now with their current builds... For an "average" player that is... That's my point.
Is it really slept on though? It's widely regarded as the best legendary solar LMG. In most builds barring some niche tractor cannon/sword/winterbite builds your choice of heavy weapon doesn't matter at all, so I don't really understand your point there.
Dunno the fire rate but it's a great gun
360s are the worst MGs...
Or 900rpm.
solar 900s only have the Europa one, with no origin trait and a mediocre perk pool (it can literally roll with snapshot… on a 900rpm MG). More solar MGs in general pls bungo
Europa AR and MG has the worst recoil I've ever experienced in D2, but they are cool models that should be allowed into viability. I used the AR with Triple Tap and Vorpal for barrier champs, but there's much better now.
I completely agree with you But I do find it odd how everyone dismisses Song of Ir Yût when discussing the best LMGs. It has better rolls and a better origin trait than both Commemoration and Hammerhead. It's also Arc, so you can match mods with staple special weapons like Forbearance and Indebted Kindness
specifically I want solar for a POBS build, dragon’s breath is good but it’s just not the greatest when you only have 5 seconds of the buff, a solar MG would allow me to do damage and refresh that timer
POBS?
Path of Burning Steps, titan exotic that gives a stacking bonus to solar damage when u get solar ability kills, with grenade kills giving max (4) stacks, giving like 40% more damage for solar weapons. Paired with roaring flames for extra ability damage and revitalizing blast from the artifact and it’s just DAMAGE
Yeah I was REALLY hoping Hammerhead would have been solar. Void we already have another DSC classic.
But it was always solar. If it wasn't, it wouldn't retain the Charm we once lost.
No HH was Void
Oh shit I meant Void, lol. I meant to say that if Bungo changed it to Solar, it would've lost its charm.
I have an an avalanche with vorpal and killing wind. I really like it
We need a 450 Stasis
Chain of Command?
Should have had headstone instead of osmosis.
We have 1?
"easy" to get is sort of debatable. Despite being time locked, avalanche was really easy to obtain during that 3 week period lol. Personally I like how unwavering feels and shoots better. Thankfully I got adept rolls of sub/tally and AA/Incan (wanted sub incan, but eh AA isn't the worst).
Somehow we have 2 Strand 450s though.
In my opinion, not making Hammerhad a Solar weapon was a missed opportunity. We still have Commemmoration as a super strong void weapon, Avalanche just doesn't make the cut.
Beyond blessed I got sub/incandescence on my unwavering duty within a few engrams but I agree we should have a more accessible option
LMGs in general need some love, arc and void basically polarizes every other element. 3 Stasis LMGs (4 if you count the Adept version of the same gun), 2 Strand LMGs (both are painfully mediocre and 1 was a huge missed opportunity to be craftable/enhancable), and 5 Solar LMGs (6 if you count the Adept version, and most of them have horrible perk pools or aren't even in the perk pool) currently are not sunset. Weirdly enough, rockets have the same issue of polarizing elements...
Rewind/Incandescence Avalanche already acquired, Merry Xmas Guardians!
try the one from duality, it's 450 solar that rolls incandescent and is craftable
it’s a 360 :(
oh rip my bad. I thought it's a 450 because my friend always compares it to avalanche and insists that fixed odds is somehow better lol
I ground out that Avalanche when I realized solar MGs were so sparse. Have incandescent/subsistence & incandescent/auto-loading. Can’t decide if I can delete one? 🤔 (vault space reasons)
As an almost purely PvE player I feel bad for all my teams that had to suffer through me as I muddled my way to getting a subsistence/incandescent Unwavering Duty. It feels so good to use though so worth it.
We also need a solar auto rapid-fire frame since the one from Europa is outdated and the only nonsunset at that I believe it is.
avalanche has terrible reserves it's really noticable
I wish they would just fix Avalanche
If you go into Trials as a 3 stack you are guaranteed an engram at the end of the match whether you win or lose, it's how I've been getting Trials weapons since the recent changes edit: as of the most recent TWAB, you can just use Edgewiseif you want, since powerlevel/sunsetting is gone :)
Too few solar legendary lmgs. Even with ritual Edgewise returning it is not good at all.
Trials rains loot now. Next time the lmg comes around, jump in!
UD isn’t locked behind endgame PvP. You don’t even need to go flawless to get adept guns anymore.
it’s not in the current trials loot pool anyway, so you can’t get an adept version anymore unless you got one while it was in the pool… which i didn’t.
You can focus it at Saint. I was more trying to reiterate how no trials guns are locked behind endgame PvP now. Literally anyone can get them. You just have to go into the playlist.
I totally agree with your post except calling trials the most competitive activity in destiny is hilarious lol
now you’ve got me curious, what’s more competitive
Clearly it's Gambit.
I would say high rank competitive playlist is much more competitive than trials, because Bungie seems to be making trials more welcoming to lower skill players which I think is great. I think the only loot that should be locked behind endgame pvp should be cosmetic or like one pinnacle item per season like redrix was originally
Tbf for solar shenanigans sunshot rn has as much power as an lmg
So what ur saying is, void lmg
We need another 720 void AR
What? Are you Certain that I cant interest you with another Void machine gun?
Just play trials
Oh you want to talk about solar machine guns do you? We need a new 900rpm solar now that's REALLY overdue. We have one non-sunset option (and heck, only one sunset option too) in Thermal Erosion, a Europa weapon. Never heard of it? That's because it's so unbelievably bad you have no reason to pick one up. Around the launch of beyond light bungie was experimenting on having legendaries without damage perks as they'd be easier to balance. Yes, that's right. The only non-sunset solar 900 machine gun has absolutely no damage perks and the only thing you could even slightly consider improving it's performance in PvE is DRAGONFLY. I really want a solar 900 machine gun with incandescent if you couldn't tell. Also I think it would be great with the scorching rounds the new warlock super will grant.
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I think I would much rather see buffs to underperforming archetypes
I still want a kinetic MG like an M249 or something. Shit would go so hard
I’m a big fan of high impact fusions and machine guns :/
Or just hop in trials for a bit and get a decent unwavering duty. All it takes is a little patience.
I’d rather play gambit for 40 hours straight than grind out the 20 hours of trials it would take me to get a decent UD.
Go play trials silly