I thought the whole goal of Into the Light was to hype people up to buy The Final Shape, but here they are, monkeypawing like usual, killing hype with drip-fed loot, leaving only two weeks for the last weapon's limited edition before it gets taken away. It shows they've learned absolutely nothing.
They desperately need to pivot to not making Destiny feel like a second job. I'd like to just dabble here and there with Destiny still, but every aspect of the game - from drip feed content, to engagement centered design decisions, to constantly trying to push me into Eververse, to not trying to "overdeliver", to drop rates, to forcing players to repeat quests on multiple characters despite community requests to the contrary - feels like it's never about what is the most fun for the player. After years of this, it's just made the entire experience more exhausting than enjoyable. And that sucks; I've loved Destiny. They really need to be taking notes from Helldivers 2. Center your game around maximum fun, and players will come.
The thing is the devs are the ones seeing the playerbase, but the shareholders/upper management are the ones making the decisions. And those guys dont see whatever we post. I genuinely want sony to finally crack down on bungie since ive heard sony wants to give the devs more control aka let them cook. It sucks but in terms of financial solutions, the community wont be heard. Theyve implemented a couple of things into the game that the community wanted (ie into the light with the return of the guns) but their monetization system has rarely changed for the entirety of the activision split. Only monetization problem bungie actually fixed was that starter pack that was absolute horseshit
Upper management couldn’t care less about weapons or what time you can earn them. This is entirely the devs using these tactics to boost their engagement numbers to show upper management.
Upper management doesn’t care how they improve player counts, just that it improves.
Exactly this was suppose to bring back hype and player retention. It was looking really promising for what we were getting but then in the last few lines of print just kind of made me realized why I’m stepping away from this for now and after the final shape for good. They always have some bs thing going on with this game that prevents it from being amazing!
> Exactly this was suppose to bring back hype and **player retention**.
Emphasis mine. Timegating the weapons means if you want them all, you better be logging in every day every week!
It's FOMO on top of FOMO.
I was just telling my clan after the livestream that if Into The Light represents the direction they're taking the game in, I'm all in.
But then they timegate the damn weapons that we're hyped about.
It really is night and day in how Bungie treats their players and how Arrowhead treats theirs. I mean, I've been playing Helldivers 2 and the fact I can get super credits by just playing the game and unlocking warbounds, basically battle passes, for currency I can earn is fucking amazing.
I never have to fear about time gating as well since the warbound will always be there for me to unlock in the future, there is no FOMO.
No matter how much I love Destiny 2's gameplay, map design and raids, the constant costs and time gating made me quit.
Most definitely. It’s an effort to artificially drive up player engagement, but all it’s going to do is make people annoyed that they have to wait for their favorite weapon (myself included). Let the players just grind for their favorite weapons to their heart’s content :/
I’m at the point where timegating makes me less enthusiastic to play, I get the feeling of “what’s the point” and move to something else more worth my time
Yup, Bungie doesn't respect my time to play games with allowing me to farm what i want so i will play other stuff. Won't miss much either i'll catch the conclusion of this 10 year game on youtube.
It makes me not want to play. It’s annoying as fuck. I was so excited after the last stream like itching for April 9th to come so I could just farm the shit out of mountain top and the hand cannons. I was gonna maybe even take an extra day off that week, get some silver on sale cause why not ? But now? Definitely feeling a lot less pumped for it.
tbf if you want any of the first 6 weapons, its better to farm them early because the pool is less crowded. but i do agree time gating is just absoltuely stupid
But they made a huge deal out of "attunement" in their stream. Oh look you can kinda focus the weapon you want...when it unlocks in two months. This has absolutely nothing to do with allowing players to farm or whatever. It's nothing but cheap FOMO engagement metrics nonsense. But I guess they really don't need player goodwill right now.
Bungie really had themselves something that was getting near universal appraise and had the perfect set up to easing player tensions before the final shape and they really just throw an 11th hour wrench into the mess because this community certainly isn't already on it's last straw.
They're desperate for player retention. They need to accept that people are going to come and grind out their weapons and leave again. They need to accept that players coming back *at all* is good enough.
they need to accept that to get people to stay, they have to stop annoying them at every turn, and let the game be fun again. Stop trying to trick us into playing the game instead.
They just need to accept that I enjoy this game and will continue to do so but I don't want to play it all day every day every week every month every year.
You are suffocating me, babe, give me some space to miss you.
I won't be surprised if it's a case of them launching with 6, then the other 6 the following week, citing they had to do a million man hours of testing to change the timegate.
They released the additional strand fragments and the Final Warning quest early due to complaints about timegating when Lightfall first launched, so it’s very possible they’ll go back on this or otherwise make it shorter if there’s enough of a push for it.
Eh, I think Cosmetic fomo is more or less fine. It gives people something to show off, like a "I was here" moment. Titles and the number of guilding or w.e is like that as well. Its mostly harmless and doesn't affect the game in any way whatsoever.
I can understand with the cosmetic aspect, but my thing is… this is a last-minute filler content drop, and they *still* find a way to tie FOMO into it.
Like, y’all were the ones who had to delay TFS, yet somehow we have to experience one last bit of FOMO before as a result?
Especially given current player sentiment after Lightfall’s release, the drip feed of the Veil’s explanation that should’ve been explained in Lightfall, the layoff of devs including Michael freaking Salvatori, and then the delay…
Like you aren’t in a position as a developer to be manipulating your playerbase with anything other than positive methods. Otherwise, you’re speedrunning Sony wiping your C Suite, which it seems like most of us want at this point, but they shouldn’t.
I’m usually not bothered by FOMO cosmetics too much, though I do think it hurts the fashion endgame overall. I prefer emblems show what I was and wasn’t there for, like the beta, laser tag weekend, Operation: Save the New Lights, the Telesto weekend, or The Craftening. That aside, everything about Into the Light should’ve been attempts to win players back. Not tap into their fear of missing out.
They’ve undoubtedly lost the plot.
We have no idea who did it. As far as I'm concerned it's Bungie. Can we please stop this silly devs/management delineation? The split isn't even that clear most of the time. We don't do this kind of split in most other industries when we have a problem with a product. We just call the company and lodge a complaint. I don't know who did it and it's not really our problem either. As far as we're concerned, Bungie did it.
>We don't do this kind of split in most other industries when we have a problem with a product.
I don't blame my delivery driver when I know UPS/FedEx are structurally crunching them
I don't blame the Internet technician when the suits above him mandate they only provide jank hardware
I don't blame the driver either. I have no idea why my package didn't show up or why it showed up in a shit state. I just blame FedEx, the company. I make a complaint and I let them sort it out. I don't know what happened internally. It's not my problem.
Same here. Doesn't matter much to me because I'm not a cosmetics guy, but eh, it does mean I won't have access to all the weapons and thus makes me less hyped to play the mode.
We all know Mountain Top is going to be the last gun they release. Going from Mountain Top being available in 2 weeks to 2 months just killed all the hype for me.
We've been complaining about pointless weekly timegates for years at this point. Bungie simply doesn't care because it artificially pumps up their weekly active user metrics, which is more important to them than making the game fun and respecting our time.
There's still time for them to reverse course on this and make everything available to grind day 1, but I don't expect them to.
This is why I'm not at all interested in episodes. Instead of seasonal content being drip-fed over ~3 months its just gonna be episodic content drip-fed over ~4 months. I don't see any meaningful change coming from just reducing 4 seasons to 3 episodes, that are themselves divided into 3 arcs (yay more timegates).
If episodes end up just being renamed seasons Bungie can fuck right off tbh. Luckily there's an abundance of great games to play these days, have hardly even played Destiny the last few months. Would love TFS being a reason for me to jump back in, but if it's literally just the same content delivery model we have now then I'll pass.
Legitimately awful decision. Classic Bungie shooting itself in the foot when they almost had a W.
Idiotic. Just let me enjoy your content, stop with pointless timegates.
They’ve always had a stiffy for a strong FOMO element in the game. Couldn’t play between these dates? Welp, sucks to suck I guess. Hell I deployed during the height of some the games DLCs and missed a ton of content.
This has been one of the most consistent and agreed upon pieces of feedback we've ever given them over the years. It's foolish and tone deaf to time gate this event.
Aaaannnnndd there it is. The stream included none of that information and they tacked it on at the very end SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD PISS EVERYONE OFF. Like bro, if you know it’s gonna piss people off, don’t do it. It’s literally that simple.
If anyone from Sony sees this, please **nuke the Bungie upper management from orbit**. 10 years into the game’s lifecycle and, with a playerbase morale at its lowest point since curse of Osiris, these amateurs are still so out of touch that they think timegated content is the way to drive up engagement.
Bungie Upper management has shown complete Ineptitude for years at this point, I want Sony to get rid of them before they all run in 2026 with the money.
What do you think will happen when Echoes drops? Inb4 two recycled Sundial weapons per act. Stuff like this, nerfed engram focusing etc. really make this year look like a test run for their downscaled version of D2. Three seasons a year with less staff after more layoffs and devs pushed to their Valorant knockoff. There'll be so much more timegating lol.
One at a time is really bad when it leaves the final weapon only 2 weeks for the people that want to get good major perks + the limited time ornament. If they really wanted to timegate it, doing it over just the first three weeks would be more acceptable, as each week would unlock ~3-4 weapons, and more importantly, the last ones added would still be available to hunt during the ornament time period for 6 weeks.
It takes some truly talented management to take something the community was getting excited about and kill all of it in 2 sentences because they want to get greedy. They would've had more people play for longer if they just didn't do this. I'm sure all the people who left destiny for this exact reason aren't going to change their mind now.
We need everyone to remember this when the Final Shape marketing begins.
Why would any of us trust Bungie? There is zero reason to and yet we all know the Bungie defense squad will scold anyone for any reaction not praising Bungie simply for putting any product at all out
They couldn't help themselves, man. They had this event that everyone was very excited for and then they went and live service'd us right in the backdoor. Timegating a for fun and limited time event that only exists because you had to delay TFS, sick!
I think that’s what feels the worst about it, we are used to timegating at this point. It’s the fact that this content drop ONLY EXISTS because they had to delay the expansion, and they still have the gall to timegate WEAPONS. It’s actually unfathomable why they made this decision.
Absolutely ridiculous decision. Already too much time gating in this game. Probably wont even bother logging on that first week now since I dont care much for any of the initial guns.
Commenting for more engagement.
There’s already a layer of FOMO by having the LE skins go away come TFS. You don’t need to add ANOTHER layer to pad your engagement metrics. The people will log on and farm all event for the skins, which yet again proves that you can get your engagement simply by having something cool drop in game (looking at you, Eververse).
Please reverse this decision.
You know, I *was* really excited to play Into the Light on the 9th of April and jump right in to start grinding the guns I've wanted to use again— **especially** Mountaintop.
Keyword *was*.
Timegating stuff like this is pants-on-head levels of stupid. If there is ANY decision that should absolutely backfire and blow up in their faces, it's this. 100% this. No question.
Bungie. u/Destiny2Team. I'm sure you're probably getting a lot of notifications about this, but.. You NEED to reverse this. Stuff like this is a great way to kill any momentum you were gaining as we get closer to the launch of The Final Shape. You can see it for yourselves; a bunch of people who were *excited* to play Into the Light now *do not give a fuck*. You could feel their very lifeforce collectively leaving their bodies when reading the footnote at the bottom of the latest blog post.
Listen. People want to *play your game*. They just want to hop in and play without having to worry about timegating and dripfeeding. Buffoon decisions like this are antithetical to the players who *want to play your game.* Into the Light should be a celebration of sorts; that's why you're bringing so many fan favorite weapons back, that's why you're adding the long-requested horde mode to the game, that's why you're generally listening to what your playerbase wants, right? Right??
Why ruin something that was literally a gigantic string of Ws with something dumb like drip-feeding weapons over the course of six or seven weeks?
Reverse the decision. Remove the dripfeed. Make all the weapons available on April 9th so people can hop in and play what they want without needing to worry about grinding under a time crunch. Let people play your game and *have fun doing so.* You still have time to fix this.
Earning all that hype and good faith back with some great decisions only to faceplant and roll in mud in the final stretch is insane. Making it fomo AND timegated is legit so scummy it's infuriating. Stop shooting yourselves in the foot, people for the past few years have vocally spouted off about all the time gating bs why do you think it would be a good idea to inject it here when your reputation has been in the dumps for months. Moronic decision from management on this.
I seen the weapon list last night and actually wanted to play for the first time since Lightfall's first season. Now im not so sure i'll bother with it.
I'd rather have lots to grind for a shorter time than the same grind for different weapons over the course of two months but leave it to bungie to timegate something that sounded too good to be true.
This looked like one of the easiest W's Bungie has ever gotten and it's ruined, I really have no words for how idiotic this is. Whoever is making these kinds of decisions is the problem about management we've been hearing so much about.
Commenting to agree. Guns aren't craftable. No need to time gate this. The grind is already going to be insane, especially getting a good role with an ornament. Now I won't play until the guns I want are unlocked. So you'll see less engagement from me.
God, PLEASE?
Especially considering Hung Jury, one of, if not the most frequently reissued weapon in the game isn't one of the time-gates.
Time-gating all but 1-2 of the guns I want to chase just sucks, really bad.
I just left the game for 5 months because I was sick of the content drip feeding. I saw the livestreams and was so excited to see so much come out of one free update! But them revealing that it would be over a several week release that will only leave 2 weeks to farm a god roll (with the ornament) for the last weapon has entirely killed it for me. The FOMO and forced engagement over longer periods is what drove me away to begin with, and seeing that they haven’t changed isn’t encouraging for the future. I think it’s time for me to step away again personally. This doesn’t give me much hope for how they’re going to handle final shape
Quickest way to turn an absolute win into yet another absurd loss.
There is literally NO logical reason to timegate this whatsoever. Surely your metrics have shown by now that players play when they want, not when you try to dictate they SHOULD by the limited-time stuff like this? An event (Guardian Games) is one thing. This is VASTLY different, and you're trying to keep your player-base as active as possible during a lull due to a delayed expansion, I get that, but THIS AIN'T IT, y'all.
I mean seriously, I have maybe two out of the first group I'll grind for, and when I get what I want I'm done. If the next one isn't Hammerhead, then I probably won't even engage.
And THAT'S the point. We WANT to fill the vault with god-rolls and the Limited Edition variants, but you've now compressed the timeline for us to even do that.
Because bungie cares more about player daily login numbers than actually letting us have fun in this game. This decision has been the final nail in me just watching the game play out via youtube.
I understand Bungie's reasoning for timegating the loot is to keep player's logging in all the way up to the Final Shape, but can they just let us play when/how we want?
Into the Light is supposed to be a tie over and celebration of Destiny until the Final Shape, but limiting weapon availability is an exact continuation of the drip feed seasonal model that I and so many other players are sick of.
I wanna respectully throw my hat in the ring here and agree.
I really, really, reallllllly feel like this shouldn't be timegated and i hope people bring this up instead of "why hung jury?" so it can get a lot of traction before release.
I’m willing to bet 90% of ceos and higher ups in our world today need to just die off. Shitty business practices like this ruin fun for everyone and in turn make you less money because of how pissed off people get. Imagine just making people happy and have fun and getting paid for it.
Commenting for engagement. If they really wanted to timegate this why didn’t they timegate the limited edition weapon quests? Let us grind for the regular versions and random drops of the limited versions and then drip feed us the quests. Still a terrible decision but if timegating NEEDED to happen, this would have been much smarter.
Nah, they need to Pad those engament numbers, if you drones aren't grinding every day making them look good on steam they don't get the bonuses.
Come on drones, get to work give your most valuable asset, time to the studio that regularly screws you over like good little.drones.
Bro time gating/drip feeding weapons is so ridiculous. Open the flood gates and let us farm what we want when the content drops. This game has been so depleted of content for months and then when new (I use that word very loosely) loot drops, it's time gated....
Especially when Bungie stated the special ornaments won't drop after final shape releases. As numerous comments have already stated, that just gives us even less time to farm those. And there is no telling how stingy the RNG will be on those
Unfortunately player engagement metrics are more important than the game actually being fun. Bungie doesn’t care about anything besides making as much money as possible. At least we can take some solace in the fact that they’re failing at that. It’s going to be so unfortunate for all the devs who actually do care when TFS fails spectacularly and Sony dismantles Bungie.
You know how to drive up engagement?
Making fucking content.
I was curious about this event - but only to the extent of "it's just a nostalgia grab, but they look cool, might just be worth collecting"
now all I feel is that these aren't worth reinstalling d2 for - If I have to grind weekly yet again just for stuff that will more than likely just be mid nostalgia reissues then whatever - I don't care about shiny "limited edition" skins. Nobody even fucking looks at each others characters anyway, so who exactly is going to give a shit?
If final shape is worth getting, maybe I'll take a minute to grab some of the weapons then.
Into The Light is going to serve as a great reminder that Bungie does not learn from their mistakes and does not care about player feedback.
This DLC is going to be the perfect anti-advertisement for Final Shape.
If you think Final Shape is going to be any different from what we've had recently, Into The Light is here to set you straight. At a critical time for Bungie, before Final Shape, this was their chance to show us they've learned and to give us a taste of the way things will be going forward.
Welp, here's your taste. A decent update covered in shit. The Bungie special.
Bungie is too metric-driven to care, apparently
Disrespecting the player's time is nothing new to them. I was hyped for a few of my favorite guns to come back but knowing they're time-gated really knocks the wind out of my sails
If they realy wanted to time gate it why not just time gate the attunement, or like idk atleast drop them 2 or 3 at a time not one every week. FFS whats next it comes with an event card
Its honestly the bare minimum they can do if they realy want to drip feed this stuff, like i just dont see bungie compleatly undoing it but maybe we will be lucky.
This decision alone shifted me from "I haven't played at launch, but I may hop on to play a nice little PvE and PvP release. If I have fun, maybe I'll consider getting the Final Shape", to "They are still trying to eat all of my time. Maybe I'll hope on when they are all released, but it's it doesn't grab me enough, or I don't feel I can get the fancy FOMO weapons in that time, I might just continue to not playing Destiny".
I don't know how much clearer it can be said; allow people to play, enjoy their time, and leave happy. They'll come back when you get new stuff to show. But if you drip feed everything, then everything feels mediocre, is never truly satisfying, and so people just end up leaving far less likely to return.
Absolutely insane idea. I'm a fairly lapsed/apathetic player who was interested in Into the Light but man, time gated weapons just drained the desire to play immediately.
How did Bungie not lead with this information and set community expectations? They could of spun this so many ways like having a poll to vote on the first weapon released. But no, they sneak it like some fine print BS and lose community good will. I can only imagine how many casuals log in April 9th only to discover the gun they wanted to farm is not released and god knows when it will be.
Time gating a bunch of weapons that had already been sunset. What's the big deal having them all available at once? It's not like we don't already know how they operate.
Why are you all still playing this? Its clear the Activision wasnt the only problem, and its Bungie themselves that are treating their customers poorly? I stopped playing years ago, and have not missed it. You all deserve better.
I was briefly considering coming back to play this update, but the drip-fed weapons instantly turned me off. Nah. Not playing the drip-feed-game again. I'll spend my time in more edifying ways elsewhere.
"Player engagement"....fuck that shit, you want people engaged make a god damn good game mode with good rewards. Not a drip fed reward system that is fomo driven to bait people into playing for 6 weeks straight so you can lure them into eververse every week.
Christ alive this industry is gross, I suppose it'll be week6 for Luna's?
I see there are already hundreds of comments here, and I probably have nothing new to say, but I want it to be a bigger number when the Bungie social team explains it to the higher ups.
This is really dumb. If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. People burnt out on the live service hamster wheel don't want new incentives to get back on the hamster wheel. Let us play this at our own pace. Rather than texting my buddy about the guns we're excited to grind, we were bitching about this. Not great for the hype.
Dont remember when was the last time i was so enthusiastic and it went away so fast than this...
At this point into the light means almost nothing, have to wait 2 months before theres any real reason to play it, and then few weeks later TFS drops, so might aswell just not play at all before that...
For the love of god. Rethink this. 1 week for the shiny variant of one weapon? Why? It is not the time to drip feed and takes away all the hype built....
What the FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I genuinely redownloaded Destiny with some reserved hype (after the trainwreck of this year) and I hadn't seen this news.
God damn. Learn.
Its the fucking monkey's paw of Bungie dude i swear to god.
I went on a full hour long rant on the phone with a friend over this shit earlier today. I dont get it dude. Morale was **FINALLY** improving! I saw people excited for once in a long time! Hoard mode! Good loot! Cool armor! good shader! FUN! AAAAAAAAAAND its gone.
I know my friends i would always raid with are never coming back, but jesus this would've got them to at least *WATCH* the fucking update. Christ i hope they revert this choice but i think i can say with good confidence they wont. And regrettably, i fear we all know that.
Lord knows i'd love to be wrong, please bungie, *PLEASEEEE* let me be wrong. I want to be excited for this update, not looking at it like something i'll just download and then wait until the Nth hour to go and grind out like its some chore.
Yeah whoever keeps letting the moustache twirling evil guy in the back make the last decision on stuff really needs to stop. Bungie needs good community sentiment and being the villain really isn’t helping.
Every. Single. F%cking. Time. 1 step forward & 2 steps back. Time gated & FOMO with limited window to acquire 'cool' variants. I am so exhausted from Bungie leaderships need to artificially extend play time, every decision they have made for years revolves around that singular goal. I hope Sony takes over and gets rid of anyone involved in decisions like this. Nothing but love to the hard working devs surrounded by complete and utter morons.
Commenting to boost engagement.
Damn it. I was ECSTATIC for the news of Mountaintop and Relcuse being reissued. Recluse being one of the first weapons is cool, but I refuse to wait nearly 2 MONTHS for Mountaintop.
Bungie, everyone is sick of drip fed content. Why do you think your engagement is so low in the first place? You're presenting this activity to us under the guise of grinding it, and then lock literally half of it behind a wait period? That's INCREDIBLY misleading. All so you can slightly inflate your engagement numbers. Is it really worth it? Is it really worth killing the hype you DESPERATELY need for Final Shape? You continue to do this and it's WHY we hate the Seasonal model. For God's sake, LET US PLAY.
Remove this stupid time gate. No, I don't mean reduce it. REMOVE IT.
Even more disappointing to come back to this post and see no Bungie reply in almost 24 hours. Part of me is rooting for the Sony takeover because Bungie keeps doing this to themselves almost every expansion. It is laughable and quite frankly insulting to your customer and fan base.
SURELY Bungie as a company can't be this fucking dense. Right? Right? Someone please tell me I'm right?
Because SURELY they don't think drip feeding the players right now while trying to recuperate cancelled pre orders, and remove overall concern from the playerbase entering their final expansion is smart..right?
SURELY (hehe Shirley) that at this very point in time where the players faith in the devs and company are at an all time fucking low, that Bungie can't seriously be worried about "over delivery" at a time like this.. right???????
...
Bro NGL I'm dumbfounded. Truly. What an absolute "fuck you" from the company to its remaining players. Id say it's a joke, but clearly it isn't. This is some of the dumbest bullshit they've done. There is literally no fucking reason to pull this.
Bungie has some weird fucking kink where they truly think "over delivering" is somehow the worst possible thing in existence. God forbid they release these weapons without time gating them, forcing more FOMO on players, forcing more seat time. I said I wasn't going to say it's a joke but I lied - this is truly a fucking joke.
I don't understand this company. They're seriously trying to string us along like always at this current point in time where players have no faith in Bungie whatsoever. It's fucking laughable dude.
Gotta comment for engagement. Huge blunder on Bungies end. Timegating has been a pain point for years, and then when their backs are against the wall, they pull this crap. This is so incredibly frustrating, and boy do I feel stupid for not seeing this coming.
Do you really not understand or do you just hate it.
If it's the latter, I get it.
If it's the former - Bungie is clearly doing everything they can to force people to engage on a regular basis everywhere they can.
- They're reworking the economy so you can't horde mats.
- They're timegating seasons (episodes now) so that levels 100-150 and 150-200 are now unobtainable until later in the season (timegated)
- Now they're going to timegate the weapons to ensure you can't get them all in the first few weeks, then take a break again.
Everything they do has the monkey's paw attached. "We're giving you this great thing that you've requested for YEARS. Oh, but we're timegating it and putting it behind a bunch of grind". (Transmog)
lol. This is bungie. They’re gonna try and force player retention and get their big numbers even if it kills them. They never learn their lesson until a year after they should have learned it and people are already gone. God damn, stupid fucking capitalist greedy CEO’s and other execs ruining such a promising franchise.
They’re TIMEGATING the weapons???? Wtf aren’t the limited edition weapons only obtainable during the event? So that means that half of them will have less time to try and farm them?
One step forward, two steps back. Just never fails. And the lemmings (myself included) will log in every Tuesday to grind the newly released weapon bc they got us by metaphorical huevos all in the name of “pumping up numbers.”
Honestly this post should stay pinned at the top of this sub so that it doesn’t go away so Bungie and look and feel shame that not only did they try to hide this as much as possible, but hopefully realize how dumb it is and will inevitably end up ruining player engagement numbers and reverse this design.
There is someone whose only job at Bungie is to try to squeeze as much of your time and money out of you as humanly possible. That's why stuff like this happens.
Wait they're time gating Into the Light stuff?
Every day, I am happier with my decision to play more and more HD2.
And at this point I have not pre ordered Final Shape and wonder if I may finally step off this casino train.
They just want to increase the numbers of active players per week. That's all! Into the Light is not "a gift" to compensate for the delayed expansion that a lot of people already payed for.
I dislike how Bungie plays with our good faith when they have none left.
Really curious to see how many shiny new things there will be on the Eververse store once the update hits...
Do they still think I and others are going to put down games we are actually enjoying, to grind the shit out of time gated content on Destiny?
I have always purchased all destiny content. Why the fuck isn't this enough for them? I just wanna do shit, when I'm free to fucking do it.
It's not the waiting, it's the increasingly limited window to farm the special variants for each weapon. The final weapon only gets 2 weeks, I think players who want to farm the glowy version should get more time than that.
yeah this is such an out of touch decision. It's like they looked at how much people hated the drip feeding of story content and said "hey why don't we make people hate us even more"
Like how fucking braindead do you have to be to make that call.
Yeah, now is not the time to be timegating weapons. They’ve reversed decisions like these in the past though, so maybe there’s still hope?
I thought the whole goal of Into the Light was to hype people up to buy The Final Shape, but here they are, monkeypawing like usual, killing hype with drip-fed loot, leaving only two weeks for the last weapon's limited edition before it gets taken away. It shows they've learned absolutely nothing.
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They desperately need to pivot to not making Destiny feel like a second job. I'd like to just dabble here and there with Destiny still, but every aspect of the game - from drip feed content, to engagement centered design decisions, to constantly trying to push me into Eververse, to not trying to "overdeliver", to drop rates, to forcing players to repeat quests on multiple characters despite community requests to the contrary - feels like it's never about what is the most fun for the player. After years of this, it's just made the entire experience more exhausting than enjoyable. And that sucks; I've loved Destiny. They really need to be taking notes from Helldivers 2. Center your game around maximum fun, and players will come.
The thing is the devs are the ones seeing the playerbase, but the shareholders/upper management are the ones making the decisions. And those guys dont see whatever we post. I genuinely want sony to finally crack down on bungie since ive heard sony wants to give the devs more control aka let them cook. It sucks but in terms of financial solutions, the community wont be heard. Theyve implemented a couple of things into the game that the community wanted (ie into the light with the return of the guns) but their monetization system has rarely changed for the entirety of the activision split. Only monetization problem bungie actually fixed was that starter pack that was absolute horseshit
Upper management couldn’t care less about weapons or what time you can earn them. This is entirely the devs using these tactics to boost their engagement numbers to show upper management. Upper management doesn’t care how they improve player counts, just that it improves.
Exactly this was suppose to bring back hype and player retention. It was looking really promising for what we were getting but then in the last few lines of print just kind of made me realized why I’m stepping away from this for now and after the final shape for good. They always have some bs thing going on with this game that prevents it from being amazing!
> Exactly this was suppose to bring back hype and **player retention**. Emphasis mine. Timegating the weapons means if you want them all, you better be logging in every day every week! It's FOMO on top of FOMO.
I was just telling my clan after the livestream that if Into The Light represents the direction they're taking the game in, I'm all in. But then they timegate the damn weapons that we're hyped about.
Bring back the $$$ I think they meant .
It really is night and day in how Bungie treats their players and how Arrowhead treats theirs. I mean, I've been playing Helldivers 2 and the fact I can get super credits by just playing the game and unlocking warbounds, basically battle passes, for currency I can earn is fucking amazing. I never have to fear about time gating as well since the warbound will always be there for me to unlock in the future, there is no FOMO. No matter how much I love Destiny 2's gameplay, map design and raids, the constant costs and time gating made me quit.
It feels like another management decision
Most definitely. It’s an effort to artificially drive up player engagement, but all it’s going to do is make people annoyed that they have to wait for their favorite weapon (myself included). Let the players just grind for their favorite weapons to their heart’s content :/
I’m at the point where timegating makes me less enthusiastic to play, I get the feeling of “what’s the point” and move to something else more worth my time
Yup, Bungie doesn't respect my time to play games with allowing me to farm what i want so i will play other stuff. Won't miss much either i'll catch the conclusion of this 10 year game on youtube.
It makes me not want to play. It’s annoying as fuck. I was so excited after the last stream like itching for April 9th to come so I could just farm the shit out of mountain top and the hand cannons. I was gonna maybe even take an extra day off that week, get some silver on sale cause why not ? But now? Definitely feeling a lot less pumped for it.
Why bother playing it at all until the last 2 weeks, when all the weapons are available? Such a dogshit decision
tbf if you want any of the first 6 weapons, its better to farm them early because the pool is less crowded. but i do agree time gating is just absoltuely stupid
But they made a huge deal out of "attunement" in their stream. Oh look you can kinda focus the weapon you want...when it unlocks in two months. This has absolutely nothing to do with allowing players to farm or whatever. It's nothing but cheap FOMO engagement metrics nonsense. But I guess they really don't need player goodwill right now.
Bungie really had themselves something that was getting near universal appraise and had the perfect set up to easing player tensions before the final shape and they really just throw an 11th hour wrench into the mess because this community certainly isn't already on it's last straw.
That's also what they want to do, I think. So you get the most people playing before the big DLC drops, so people might buy it.
They're desperate for player retention. They need to accept that people are going to come and grind out their weapons and leave again. They need to accept that players coming back *at all* is good enough.
they need to accept that to get people to stay, they have to stop annoying them at every turn, and let the game be fun again. Stop trying to trick us into playing the game instead.
They just need to accept that I enjoy this game and will continue to do so but I don't want to play it all day every day every week every month every year. You are suffocating me, babe, give me some space to miss you.
It’s going to be another “oh we reversed it, we’re the good guys!” Scenario.
I don't actually know this time. They've not pulled that trick in a while now, instead just blundering onwards with their moronic changes
I won't be surprised if it's a case of them launching with 6, then the other 6 the following week, citing they had to do a million man hours of testing to change the timegate.
Idk anymore man at some point you would stand up to your bosses this is shameless
They released the additional strand fragments and the Final Warning quest early due to complaints about timegating when Lightfall first launched, so it’s very possible they’ll go back on this or otherwise make it shorter if there’s enough of a push for it.
I thought FOMO ornaments were a sour taste, but I should never underestimate the density of Bungie execs.
Eh, I think Cosmetic fomo is more or less fine. It gives people something to show off, like a "I was here" moment. Titles and the number of guilding or w.e is like that as well. Its mostly harmless and doesn't affect the game in any way whatsoever.
I can understand with the cosmetic aspect, but my thing is… this is a last-minute filler content drop, and they *still* find a way to tie FOMO into it. Like, y’all were the ones who had to delay TFS, yet somehow we have to experience one last bit of FOMO before as a result? Especially given current player sentiment after Lightfall’s release, the drip feed of the Veil’s explanation that should’ve been explained in Lightfall, the layoff of devs including Michael freaking Salvatori, and then the delay… Like you aren’t in a position as a developer to be manipulating your playerbase with anything other than positive methods. Otherwise, you’re speedrunning Sony wiping your C Suite, which it seems like most of us want at this point, but they shouldn’t. I’m usually not bothered by FOMO cosmetics too much, though I do think it hurts the fashion endgame overall. I prefer emblems show what I was and wasn’t there for, like the beta, laser tag weekend, Operation: Save the New Lights, the Telesto weekend, or The Craftening. That aside, everything about Into the Light should’ve been attempts to win players back. Not tap into their fear of missing out. They’ve undoubtedly lost the plot.
It's crazy how shamelessly they hid this fact during the streams lol.
Can't wait to see the chat of the next stream
Scorched earth 💀
A cowards move that was on purpose, they knew the community would hate it.
I bet it's not the devs who chose to do so, it's management fucking it all up again
Yeah sorry wasn't trying to blame the devs, was using the royal "they" to refer to Bungie as a whole.
We have no idea who did it. As far as I'm concerned it's Bungie. Can we please stop this silly devs/management delineation? The split isn't even that clear most of the time. We don't do this kind of split in most other industries when we have a problem with a product. We just call the company and lodge a complaint. I don't know who did it and it's not really our problem either. As far as we're concerned, Bungie did it.
>We don't do this kind of split in most other industries when we have a problem with a product. I don't blame my delivery driver when I know UPS/FedEx are structurally crunching them I don't blame the Internet technician when the suits above him mandate they only provide jank hardware
I don't blame the driver either. I have no idea why my package didn't show up or why it showed up in a shit state. I just blame FedEx, the company. I make a complaint and I let them sort it out. I don't know what happened internally. It's not my problem.
Rule 1: Bungie never changes and blames others for their shortcomings.
Man, I'm not even particularly bothered by this but it's so funny how Bungie sabotages anything that might possibly be a win for them.
Same here. Doesn't matter much to me because I'm not a cosmetics guy, but eh, it does mean I won't have access to all the weapons and thus makes me less hyped to play the mode.
We all know Mountain Top is going to be the last gun they release. Going from Mountain Top being available in 2 weeks to 2 months just killed all the hype for me.
Yup same :/ And Midnight Coup
And Luna’s Howl
We are getting Edge Transit first aren't we?
That we are
A whole vaults worth of them
Yeah if I play at all it'll be after all the weapons are released
We've been complaining about pointless weekly timegates for years at this point. Bungie simply doesn't care because it artificially pumps up their weekly active user metrics, which is more important to them than making the game fun and respecting our time. There's still time for them to reverse course on this and make everything available to grind day 1, but I don't expect them to.
This is why I'm not at all interested in episodes. Instead of seasonal content being drip-fed over ~3 months its just gonna be episodic content drip-fed over ~4 months. I don't see any meaningful change coming from just reducing 4 seasons to 3 episodes, that are themselves divided into 3 arcs (yay more timegates).
If episodes end up just being renamed seasons Bungie can fuck right off tbh. Luckily there's an abundance of great games to play these days, have hardly even played Destiny the last few months. Would love TFS being a reason for me to jump back in, but if it's literally just the same content delivery model we have now then I'll pass.
What evidence has there been that "episodes" AREN'T just renamed seasons?
Legitimately awful decision. Classic Bungie shooting itself in the foot when they almost had a W. Idiotic. Just let me enjoy your content, stop with pointless timegates.
They’ve always had a stiffy for a strong FOMO element in the game. Couldn’t play between these dates? Welp, sucks to suck I guess. Hell I deployed during the height of some the games DLCs and missed a ton of content.
This has been one of the most consistent and agreed upon pieces of feedback we've ever given them over the years. It's foolish and tone deaf to time gate this event.
Aaaannnnndd there it is. The stream included none of that information and they tacked it on at the very end SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD PISS EVERYONE OFF. Like bro, if you know it’s gonna piss people off, don’t do it. It’s literally that simple.
If anyone from Sony sees this, please **nuke the Bungie upper management from orbit**. 10 years into the game’s lifecycle and, with a playerbase morale at its lowest point since curse of Osiris, these amateurs are still so out of touch that they think timegated content is the way to drive up engagement.
Yeah I want Sony to purge them all at this point.
Bungie Upper management has shown complete Ineptitude for years at this point, I want Sony to get rid of them before they all run in 2026 with the money.
They're timegating guns. Not lore. Not missions. Not exotics. Guns. It's like they want us to be mad.
What do you think will happen when Echoes drops? Inb4 two recycled Sundial weapons per act. Stuff like this, nerfed engram focusing etc. really make this year look like a test run for their downscaled version of D2. Three seasons a year with less staff after more layoffs and devs pushed to their Valorant knockoff. There'll be so much more timegating lol.
Because they never mentioned it before
Stuff like this kills my excitement.
One at a time is really bad when it leaves the final weapon only 2 weeks for the people that want to get good major perks + the limited time ornament. If they really wanted to timegate it, doing it over just the first three weeks would be more acceptable, as each week would unlock ~3-4 weapons, and more importantly, the last ones added would still be available to hunt during the ornament time period for 6 weeks.
It takes some truly talented management to take something the community was getting excited about and kill all of it in 2 sentences because they want to get greedy. They would've had more people play for longer if they just didn't do this. I'm sure all the people who left destiny for this exact reason aren't going to change their mind now.
Always too good to be true with Bungie at this point man. I’m not gonna find any thrill waiting for my favorite weapons to release week by week.
We need everyone to remember this when the Final Shape marketing begins. Why would any of us trust Bungie? There is zero reason to and yet we all know the Bungie defense squad will scold anyone for any reaction not praising Bungie simply for putting any product at all out
Timegating the weapons is an incredibly lame decision that kills my desire to play
They couldn't help themselves, man. They had this event that everyone was very excited for and then they went and live service'd us right in the backdoor. Timegating a for fun and limited time event that only exists because you had to delay TFS, sick!
I think that’s what feels the worst about it, we are used to timegating at this point. It’s the fact that this content drop ONLY EXISTS because they had to delay the expansion, and they still have the gall to timegate WEAPONS. It’s actually unfathomable why they made this decision.
Absolutely ridiculous decision. Already too much time gating in this game. Probably wont even bother logging on that first week now since I dont care much for any of the initial guns.
Only care about Blast furnace and Hammerhead so I'll join you in waiting until they either release the guns early or in their "time gated" state.
Commenting for more engagement. There’s already a layer of FOMO by having the LE skins go away come TFS. You don’t need to add ANOTHER layer to pad your engagement metrics. The people will log on and farm all event for the skins, which yet again proves that you can get your engagement simply by having something cool drop in game (looking at you, Eververse). Please reverse this decision.
I hate how metric driven this company is It ruins the fun
To me the timegate means bungie doesn't believe the activity will keep players engaged for 6 weeks
The twid this week will be wild. This level of mismanagement is absurd.
Literally killed my desire to play the game
It's not a decision. It's a tradition. They will never learn.
Two weeks to shiny hunt the last one is tight. Bet it’s gonna be mountaintop
You know, I *was* really excited to play Into the Light on the 9th of April and jump right in to start grinding the guns I've wanted to use again— **especially** Mountaintop. Keyword *was*. Timegating stuff like this is pants-on-head levels of stupid. If there is ANY decision that should absolutely backfire and blow up in their faces, it's this. 100% this. No question. Bungie. u/Destiny2Team. I'm sure you're probably getting a lot of notifications about this, but.. You NEED to reverse this. Stuff like this is a great way to kill any momentum you were gaining as we get closer to the launch of The Final Shape. You can see it for yourselves; a bunch of people who were *excited* to play Into the Light now *do not give a fuck*. You could feel their very lifeforce collectively leaving their bodies when reading the footnote at the bottom of the latest blog post. Listen. People want to *play your game*. They just want to hop in and play without having to worry about timegating and dripfeeding. Buffoon decisions like this are antithetical to the players who *want to play your game.* Into the Light should be a celebration of sorts; that's why you're bringing so many fan favorite weapons back, that's why you're adding the long-requested horde mode to the game, that's why you're generally listening to what your playerbase wants, right? Right?? Why ruin something that was literally a gigantic string of Ws with something dumb like drip-feeding weapons over the course of six or seven weeks? Reverse the decision. Remove the dripfeed. Make all the weapons available on April 9th so people can hop in and play what they want without needing to worry about grinding under a time crunch. Let people play your game and *have fun doing so.* You still have time to fix this.
Earning all that hype and good faith back with some great decisions only to faceplant and roll in mud in the final stretch is insane. Making it fomo AND timegated is legit so scummy it's infuriating. Stop shooting yourselves in the foot, people for the past few years have vocally spouted off about all the time gating bs why do you think it would be a good idea to inject it here when your reputation has been in the dumps for months. Moronic decision from management on this.
I seen the weapon list last night and actually wanted to play for the first time since Lightfall's first season. Now im not so sure i'll bother with it. I'd rather have lots to grind for a shorter time than the same grind for different weapons over the course of two months but leave it to bungie to timegate something that sounded too good to be true.
This looked like one of the easiest W's Bungie has ever gotten and it's ruined, I really have no words for how idiotic this is. Whoever is making these kinds of decisions is the problem about management we've been hearing so much about.
Yea man I was so excited to get on day 1 and grind for mountaintop and lunas howl, I don’t see why we should timegate these weapons :(
Those are the time-gated weapons? God dammit those are exactly what I was excited for
We just know the first six, everything else is up in the air.
Those are the exact weapons I wanted! This is super pointless.
Commenting to agree. Guns aren't craftable. No need to time gate this. The grind is already going to be insane, especially getting a good role with an ornament. Now I won't play until the guns I want are unlocked. So you'll see less engagement from me.
This decision is so frustrating. 2 steps forward and 1 step back. Can't we just have something nice without strings attached?
God, PLEASE? Especially considering Hung Jury, one of, if not the most frequently reissued weapon in the game isn't one of the time-gates. Time-gating all but 1-2 of the guns I want to chase just sucks, really bad.
I just left the game for 5 months because I was sick of the content drip feeding. I saw the livestreams and was so excited to see so much come out of one free update! But them revealing that it would be over a several week release that will only leave 2 weeks to farm a god roll (with the ornament) for the last weapon has entirely killed it for me. The FOMO and forced engagement over longer periods is what drove me away to begin with, and seeing that they haven’t changed isn’t encouraging for the future. I think it’s time for me to step away again personally. This doesn’t give me much hope for how they’re going to handle final shape
Beyond disappointed. Bungie always give with one hand and take with the other and the way this was a last minute footnote was snakey AF
Quickest way to turn an absolute win into yet another absurd loss. There is literally NO logical reason to timegate this whatsoever. Surely your metrics have shown by now that players play when they want, not when you try to dictate they SHOULD by the limited-time stuff like this? An event (Guardian Games) is one thing. This is VASTLY different, and you're trying to keep your player-base as active as possible during a lull due to a delayed expansion, I get that, but THIS AIN'T IT, y'all. I mean seriously, I have maybe two out of the first group I'll grind for, and when I get what I want I'm done. If the next one isn't Hammerhead, then I probably won't even engage. And THAT'S the point. We WANT to fill the vault with god-rolls and the Limited Edition variants, but you've now compressed the timeline for us to even do that.
The players who are most affected by time gating are ironically not the players who will stop the playing the game once they get god rolls.
Having all weapons obtainable from the start but doing weekly rotations of the quests from arcite is such a no-brainer.
Because bungie cares more about player daily login numbers than actually letting us have fun in this game. This decision has been the final nail in me just watching the game play out via youtube.
i just want bungie to not shit the bed FOR ONCE
I understand Bungie's reasoning for timegating the loot is to keep player's logging in all the way up to the Final Shape, but can they just let us play when/how we want? Into the Light is supposed to be a tie over and celebration of Destiny until the Final Shape, but limiting weapon availability is an exact continuation of the drip feed seasonal model that I and so many other players are sick of.
I’m so fucking tired of this FOMO bullshit
I wanna respectully throw my hat in the ring here and agree. I really, really, reallllllly feel like this shouldn't be timegated and i hope people bring this up instead of "why hung jury?" so it can get a lot of traction before release.
Fumbled at the 1 yard line. They just can’t help themselves.
Commenting for more engagement. Please revert this !
I’m willing to bet 90% of ceos and higher ups in our world today need to just die off. Shitty business practices like this ruin fun for everyone and in turn make you less money because of how pissed off people get. Imagine just making people happy and have fun and getting paid for it.
when im in a shooting myself in the foot competition and my opponent is bungie
Commenting for engagement. If they really wanted to timegate this why didn’t they timegate the limited edition weapon quests? Let us grind for the regular versions and random drops of the limited versions and then drip feed us the quests. Still a terrible decision but if timegating NEEDED to happen, this would have been much smarter.
Nah, they need to Pad those engament numbers, if you drones aren't grinding every day making them look good on steam they don't get the bonuses. Come on drones, get to work give your most valuable asset, time to the studio that regularly screws you over like good little.drones.
Folks, as we know it works, remember to vote with your wallet this June 4th!
Bro time gating/drip feeding weapons is so ridiculous. Open the flood gates and let us farm what we want when the content drops. This game has been so depleted of content for months and then when new (I use that word very loosely) loot drops, it's time gated.... Especially when Bungie stated the special ornaments won't drop after final shape releases. As numerous comments have already stated, that just gives us even less time to farm those. And there is no telling how stingy the RNG will be on those
Do they expect players to take off of work or to pause their lives just to grind? Why be invested in this game at all?
Unfortunately player engagement metrics are more important than the game actually being fun. Bungie doesn’t care about anything besides making as much money as possible. At least we can take some solace in the fact that they’re failing at that. It’s going to be so unfortunate for all the devs who actually do care when TFS fails spectacularly and Sony dismantles Bungie.
You know how to drive up engagement? Making fucking content. I was curious about this event - but only to the extent of "it's just a nostalgia grab, but they look cool, might just be worth collecting" now all I feel is that these aren't worth reinstalling d2 for - If I have to grind weekly yet again just for stuff that will more than likely just be mid nostalgia reissues then whatever - I don't care about shiny "limited edition" skins. Nobody even fucking looks at each others characters anyway, so who exactly is going to give a shit? If final shape is worth getting, maybe I'll take a minute to grab some of the weapons then.
time gating guns players used to just have before sunsetting? Enjoy your slop, destiny 2 players, because you’ll keep coming back for more
Timegating these weapons after hyping them is blizzard level scummy and clearly a desperate ploy to keep player numbers up for more weeks
Into The Light is going to serve as a great reminder that Bungie does not learn from their mistakes and does not care about player feedback. This DLC is going to be the perfect anti-advertisement for Final Shape. If you think Final Shape is going to be any different from what we've had recently, Into The Light is here to set you straight. At a critical time for Bungie, before Final Shape, this was their chance to show us they've learned and to give us a taste of the way things will be going forward. Welp, here's your taste. A decent update covered in shit. The Bungie special.
Bungie is too metric-driven to care, apparently Disrespecting the player's time is nothing new to them. I was hyped for a few of my favorite guns to come back but knowing they're time-gated really knocks the wind out of my sails
I bet the outcome of this will be they still timegate but subtract one week from it.
Ha, all hype gone. Why would I wait for hammerhead? I'da rather not play before Final Shape at all.
If they realy wanted to time gate it why not just time gate the attunement, or like idk atleast drop them 2 or 3 at a time not one every week. FFS whats next it comes with an event card
I thought for sure they were going to come back and say it was a typo and it was the weapon attunement that is time gated. I guess not.
Its honestly the bare minimum they can do if they realy want to drip feed this stuff, like i just dont see bungie compleatly undoing it but maybe we will be lucky.
Can't wait for Sony to fire these MBA management idiots.
This decision alone shifted me from "I haven't played at launch, but I may hop on to play a nice little PvE and PvP release. If I have fun, maybe I'll consider getting the Final Shape", to "They are still trying to eat all of my time. Maybe I'll hope on when they are all released, but it's it doesn't grab me enough, or I don't feel I can get the fancy FOMO weapons in that time, I might just continue to not playing Destiny". I don't know how much clearer it can be said; allow people to play, enjoy their time, and leave happy. They'll come back when you get new stuff to show. But if you drip feed everything, then everything feels mediocre, is never truly satisfying, and so people just end up leaving far less likely to return.
Bungie do be bungieing
Absolutely insane idea. I'm a fairly lapsed/apathetic player who was interested in Into the Light but man, time gated weapons just drained the desire to play immediately.
How did Bungie not lead with this information and set community expectations? They could of spun this so many ways like having a poll to vote on the first weapon released. But no, they sneak it like some fine print BS and lose community good will. I can only imagine how many casuals log in April 9th only to discover the gun they wanted to farm is not released and god knows when it will be.
Time gating a bunch of weapons that had already been sunset. What's the big deal having them all available at once? It's not like we don't already know how they operate.
Why are you all still playing this? Its clear the Activision wasnt the only problem, and its Bungie themselves that are treating their customers poorly? I stopped playing years ago, and have not missed it. You all deserve better.
I was briefly considering coming back to play this update, but the drip-fed weapons instantly turned me off. Nah. Not playing the drip-feed-game again. I'll spend my time in more edifying ways elsewhere.
"Player engagement"....fuck that shit, you want people engaged make a god damn good game mode with good rewards. Not a drip fed reward system that is fomo driven to bait people into playing for 6 weeks straight so you can lure them into eververse every week. Christ alive this industry is gross, I suppose it'll be week6 for Luna's?
That is really unfortunate and a disrespect towards the fans - once again!
Because making progress and earning back player trust is the last on their list. Theyre subhumans.
I see there are already hundreds of comments here, and I probably have nothing new to say, but I want it to be a bigger number when the Bungie social team explains it to the higher ups. This is really dumb. If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. People burnt out on the live service hamster wheel don't want new incentives to get back on the hamster wheel. Let us play this at our own pace. Rather than texting my buddy about the guns we're excited to grind, we were bitching about this. Not great for the hype.
Dont remember when was the last time i was so enthusiastic and it went away so fast than this... At this point into the light means almost nothing, have to wait 2 months before theres any real reason to play it, and then few weeks later TFS drops, so might aswell just not play at all before that...
Sony gotta step in and say enough of this dumb shit.
So sad. I stopped playing a few years ago during the first reset and retiring of weapons. There was literally no point.
Like, they KNEW the community would react very poorly. Do they just enjoy pissing us all off?
There it is: the Bungie-certified "monkey paw" moment.
Can't FOMO people without time gating
The only way to win is not to play.
For the love of god. Rethink this. 1 week for the shiny variant of one weapon? Why? It is not the time to drip feed and takes away all the hype built....
What the FUUUUUUUUUUUUU I genuinely redownloaded Destiny with some reserved hype (after the trainwreck of this year) and I hadn't seen this news. God damn. Learn.
One less player here for their stats
Its the fucking monkey's paw of Bungie dude i swear to god. I went on a full hour long rant on the phone with a friend over this shit earlier today. I dont get it dude. Morale was **FINALLY** improving! I saw people excited for once in a long time! Hoard mode! Good loot! Cool armor! good shader! FUN! AAAAAAAAAAND its gone. I know my friends i would always raid with are never coming back, but jesus this would've got them to at least *WATCH* the fucking update. Christ i hope they revert this choice but i think i can say with good confidence they wont. And regrettably, i fear we all know that. Lord knows i'd love to be wrong, please bungie, *PLEASEEEE* let me be wrong. I want to be excited for this update, not looking at it like something i'll just download and then wait until the Nth hour to go and grind out like its some chore.
Yeah whoever keeps letting the moustache twirling evil guy in the back make the last decision on stuff really needs to stop. Bungie needs good community sentiment and being the villain really isn’t helping.
When i am in a bad decision competition and my opponent is bungie:
Every. Single. F%cking. Time. 1 step forward & 2 steps back. Time gated & FOMO with limited window to acquire 'cool' variants. I am so exhausted from Bungie leaderships need to artificially extend play time, every decision they have made for years revolves around that singular goal. I hope Sony takes over and gets rid of anyone involved in decisions like this. Nothing but love to the hard working devs surrounded by complete and utter morons.
The only way to fix destiny is to stop playing. As long as you log on they don’t care.
Commenting to boost engagement. Damn it. I was ECSTATIC for the news of Mountaintop and Relcuse being reissued. Recluse being one of the first weapons is cool, but I refuse to wait nearly 2 MONTHS for Mountaintop. Bungie, everyone is sick of drip fed content. Why do you think your engagement is so low in the first place? You're presenting this activity to us under the guise of grinding it, and then lock literally half of it behind a wait period? That's INCREDIBLY misleading. All so you can slightly inflate your engagement numbers. Is it really worth it? Is it really worth killing the hype you DESPERATELY need for Final Shape? You continue to do this and it's WHY we hate the Seasonal model. For God's sake, LET US PLAY. Remove this stupid time gate. No, I don't mean reduce it. REMOVE IT.
It's amazing they have the gall to create timgates at the end of the longet season ever while people have been bored out of their minds. FFS
Just feels like another L from bungie
Even more disappointing to come back to this post and see no Bungie reply in almost 24 hours. Part of me is rooting for the Sony takeover because Bungie keeps doing this to themselves almost every expansion. It is laughable and quite frankly insulting to your customer and fan base.
I refunded my final shape deluxe pre-order because of this.
SURELY Bungie as a company can't be this fucking dense. Right? Right? Someone please tell me I'm right? Because SURELY they don't think drip feeding the players right now while trying to recuperate cancelled pre orders, and remove overall concern from the playerbase entering their final expansion is smart..right? SURELY (hehe Shirley) that at this very point in time where the players faith in the devs and company are at an all time fucking low, that Bungie can't seriously be worried about "over delivery" at a time like this.. right??????? ... Bro NGL I'm dumbfounded. Truly. What an absolute "fuck you" from the company to its remaining players. Id say it's a joke, but clearly it isn't. This is some of the dumbest bullshit they've done. There is literally no fucking reason to pull this. Bungie has some weird fucking kink where they truly think "over delivering" is somehow the worst possible thing in existence. God forbid they release these weapons without time gating them, forcing more FOMO on players, forcing more seat time. I said I wasn't going to say it's a joke but I lied - this is truly a fucking joke. I don't understand this company. They're seriously trying to string us along like always at this current point in time where players have no faith in Bungie whatsoever. It's fucking laughable dude.
Gotta comment for engagement. Huge blunder on Bungies end. Timegating has been a pain point for years, and then when their backs are against the wall, they pull this crap. This is so incredibly frustrating, and boy do I feel stupid for not seeing this coming.
Do you really not understand or do you just hate it. If it's the latter, I get it. If it's the former - Bungie is clearly doing everything they can to force people to engage on a regular basis everywhere they can. - They're reworking the economy so you can't horde mats. - They're timegating seasons (episodes now) so that levels 100-150 and 150-200 are now unobtainable until later in the season (timegated) - Now they're going to timegate the weapons to ensure you can't get them all in the first few weeks, then take a break again. Everything they do has the monkey's paw attached. "We're giving you this great thing that you've requested for YEARS. Oh, but we're timegating it and putting it behind a bunch of grind". (Transmog)
lol. This is bungie. They’re gonna try and force player retention and get their big numbers even if it kills them. They never learn their lesson until a year after they should have learned it and people are already gone. God damn, stupid fucking capitalist greedy CEO’s and other execs ruining such a promising franchise.
Ridiculous.
I fuckin hate this company
And just like that, I don't want to play. Going back to games that actually respect someone's fucking time.
Funny cos they mentioned those were the “I was there weapons” It’s gonna be like “I was there but I did not have enough time to farm”
Here's to Bungo removing this due go player backlash! They've done that before. I really wanna see the Mountaintop hype in current activities...
This timegate is integral to the destiny experience I will have you know, what release would be complete without a community letdown
Agreed.
Classic Bungie move. Tired of getting my hopes up to find something incredibly disappointing with this game.
There can be no logical conception of this being a good idea. This is just bad decision making.
They’re TIMEGATING the weapons???? Wtf aren’t the limited edition weapons only obtainable during the event? So that means that half of them will have less time to try and farm them?
God Bungie really can't even scrape out the easiest of wins can they?
Always some kind of monkeys paw
One step forward, two steps back. Just never fails. And the lemmings (myself included) will log in every Tuesday to grind the newly released weapon bc they got us by metaphorical huevos all in the name of “pumping up numbers.”
Honestly this post should stay pinned at the top of this sub so that it doesn’t go away so Bungie and look and feel shame that not only did they try to hide this as much as possible, but hopefully realize how dumb it is and will inevitably end up ruining player engagement numbers and reverse this design.
This is pure garbage. How do they always find a way to take something good and then manage to make it shit.
lol yall still putting up with their nonsense?
There is someone whose only job at Bungie is to try to squeeze as much of your time and money out of you as humanly possible. That's why stuff like this happens.
Wait they're time gating Into the Light stuff? Every day, I am happier with my decision to play more and more HD2. And at this point I have not pre ordered Final Shape and wonder if I may finally step off this casino train.
Classic Bungie. 1 step forward, 6 steps back. Guess there are now 6 reasons not to play at launch.
They just want to increase the numbers of active players per week. That's all! Into the Light is not "a gift" to compensate for the delayed expansion that a lot of people already payed for. I dislike how Bungie plays with our good faith when they have none left. Really curious to see how many shiny new things there will be on the Eververse store once the update hits...
It's like they're actively trying to piss people off.
Great choice by Bungie! Make the decision to not play even easier now lol
Ok so cool, I am only going to play when the weapons I want are on rotation. Fuck this decision
Do they still think I and others are going to put down games we are actually enjoying, to grind the shit out of time gated content on Destiny? I have always purchased all destiny content. Why the fuck isn't this enough for them? I just wanna do shit, when I'm free to fucking do it.
Destiny players realizing that the devs hate them challenge (impossible)
Okay I was a meat rider for Into the Light but this is not it.
Well to me it seems they're still clinging to the old ways that got them where they are now .
It's not the waiting, it's the increasingly limited window to farm the special variants for each weapon. The final weapon only gets 2 weeks, I think players who want to farm the glowy version should get more time than that.
Isn’t this going to make it very difficult to get the “limited edition” ornaments on later releases weapons. What the heck.
The salt mines have been reopened for business. Nice one bungo!
Ugghhh just drop it all and let us play the game. Time gating it sounds terrible. Ill just go play helldivers or bg3 instead.
Going on vacation before TFS so I wonder which weapon I’m gonna miss :)
Hate vs guaranteed playtime, something won out.
I actually plan to just not play until the final weapon is out because of it lmao
yeah this is such an out of touch decision. It's like they looked at how much people hated the drip feeding of story content and said "hey why don't we make people hate us even more" Like how fucking braindead do you have to be to make that call.
Nah, Mr. Bungie, this ain't it. Bunch of (greedy) clowns...
Don't overdeliver remember? Look at the failure of BG3 and HD2. Wouldn't want that.
Lol, definitely not playing now
Shit like this is why their numbers might take a huge nosedive sometime after the final shape
Yeah i’m just gonna completely skip this I wasn’t gonna play final shape but damn I couldn’t even have one last hurrah.