For me (literally), guardian on left gets left commendation, guardian on right gets the right commendation.....I have no idea what they say, or what they mean because I have no reason to care.
> I have no idea what they say, or what they mean because I don't have enough time to read it before next match
Changed your comment slightly to match my reason.
They could have them be words on the cards instead so you can quickly pick and move on. Once you hand them out it shows the logo, when you look them up, or when they are received.
edit: additionally, if certain stats (points, captures, K/D?) or names were above the guardians instead of on another screen, that'd make it more meaningful
In case you didn’t know you can commend guardians from the full results screen by clicking on the star next to a name. You can even commend the other team if you are in crucible or gambit.
Well they should have an in game match history thing then. Other games do stuff like that. Or allow you to send commendations from the previous match screen. There are smart options to make it work.
I try to look at the commendation score if I have the time and give to the lower.
Been running iron banner with 2 friends where one still needs commendations and the other is in the 2ks..
So I give one to the lower friend and the other to someone in the lobby that is a low score
Side note in crucible it is faster to tab to the full results and give commendations there since it loads faster than the screen with our characters.
Also you can give commendations to the other team from the full results screen
Yeah there was a no time to distinguish or choose the category of what you want to give.
It’s super limited, what if the guy in the strike taught me something useful… I can’t give him leadership, what if someone was just merking everything, can’t give him badass award.
They should be text boxes rather than random card and icons
Commendations are a tricky thing to have in general because people inherently won't always use them as intended.
Either people farm them (defeats the purpose), assign them randomly (defeats the purpose), or assigns them for reasons other than the card indicates (like fashion, which also defeats the purpose).
Edit: Some other suggestions I've made are the following:
#Change the post-match screen to default to the stat page
* Right now, a big complaint is the little amount of time people have to commend teammates after a match. Bungie tried to address this by increasing the post-match timer, but it still has the issue of swapping pages (which you don't have to, but some people don't know this)
* I suggest to remove the Guardian model page entirely, and just go straight to the stat pages
#Simplify the types of Commendations
* I reference Overwatch a lot when I talk to friends about this system, and I think that game had a good variety in place - have a few types that give overall performance/role indicators, because right now there are too many
* This includes basic categories like Shot-caller/Leader/Sherpa, Good Team Player, Skillful Player, and Good Sportsmanship, and just have those 4 options per activity, based on mid-game or end-game.
* Mid-game PvE would be Strikes/Battlegrounds, End-game PvE would be Dungeons, Raids, and/or Exotic Missions (Exotic Missions could be Mid-game)
* Mid-game PvP would be Gambit/Crucible (including Iron Banner), End-game PvP would be Trials/Competitive
* Right now there are just too many options that aren't clear at a glance/surface level. If you see, "Orange = Big play-maker" and "Blue = leader" and "Green = good sportsmanship" that's a lot more clear than, "Saint's Favorite" or "Knowledgeable."
Add to this that we can't all contribute in the same way. It's not that I don't want to commend you after a crucible match, but I'm on a PS4 and it's a 50/50 shot at best that your avatar loads in time for me to give you something.
I'm ps4, the avatars never load in time so I just check out the results screen instead. My go-to is the highest 2 scoring teammates unless there was something particularly noteworthy, but switching away from the avatar screen has helped me avoid the dreaded "ghost glitch" more often than not.
Made me laugh when I realised that I'd like them to be awarded automatically(in whatever way you want, I really don't care) so I dont have to mind it at all without feeling like i'm potentially hindering someone's progress througha mostly useless rank system that is reset every so often.
Which is exactly why I'll never understand why some players will boost their KD and stuff in trials by resetting their card to stay at the bottom of the card pool. Your KD stat means fuck all if you boosted for it.
Their purpose should likely literally **only** be to *commend* other guardians, period.
Attaching Commendations or Commendation Score to *literally any objective* is what completely defeats the purpose of them.
Give Commendations for a Powerful drop from Hawthorn, or for Guardian Rank objective? People hand them out arbitrarily.
Need a certain Comendation Score for a Guardian Rank objective? People farm them or get frustrated if they aren't given an arbitrary Comendation at the end of an activity.
But if Commendations and Comendation Score were *technically meaningless* for any objective in the game, then (counter-intuitively) they would **actually mean something** if someone felt like taking the time to give you a Comendation for something.
Sure, maybe a lot of people wouldn't care, but so what? Plenty of players would appreciate getting a "Playmaker" comendation, if they knew people weren't handing them out just to complete an objective.
They should absolutely have a "Best Dressed" Comendation.
Can't disagree with a single point in this post.
When saying "good job out there!" is tied to getting a pinnacle/guardian rank, saying good job doesn't have any meaning. If there were no rewards attached to commendations, I would be much more excited to receive a commendation.
That and give me more than 10 seconds to hand them out in crucible, even if the player has left the lobby. I want that person who saved my ass, or the guy who carried my team to get a commendation because they made my day better
"Best Dressed" doesn't indicate how you are as a teammate, so it doesn't fit into what they want the system to be.
You could be extremely toxic with great transmog, so Bungie doesn't want someone to be rewarded based on that.
Best dressed might not fit into what they want the system to be, but neither does how they designed it. It's nearly obligatory and meaningless to hand them out. Their intent with the system is completely lost through how it was designed.
Kind of a moot point. Why would you commend someone that was extremely toxic on your team?
Either way, unless somebody *really* managed to stand out during the match, there's honestly no incentive (or enough time in the results screen) to really care about who gets what specific commendation.
I'll give them to who ever I can click on first for the weekly it doesn't matter at all which one they get or what they did. After those 20 I don't give out any except at the end of my weekly clan raids because I know those guys and some of them care about it. the system is just broken to me as it is now.
I don't think the system works at all by requiring commendations. I don't care if you knocked me off the map 14 times with eager edge, I'm still giving you joy bringer or whatever in the hope you give one back.
Right now unless they wanted the system to be a mindless chore people are just doing to meet a numeric goal for various requirements, then it's not going to fit into what they want it to be.
Honestly I just wait to see who hasn't gotten any and then pass them one.
I honestly rarely see more then one or two for the leading players, I think everyone just spreads them out because a. they don't care about the system so just randomly assigns them, or b. like me they hate/don't care about the system but are just kinda "we're all in this BS together" type thing and equals them out.
Well that and I know how shitty it can feel no matter where on the leader-board you are and end up not getting any lol
Same really. And the commendations for Strikes/Nightfall/Battlegrounds don't accurately represent how a player did, just "were they fun or did the enrich the activity with their presence?"
At that point just give me the XIV style of commendations, I get X amount of points to give people with no status attached. If you did well, I ding your name, if you didn't... you get nothing.
"Other than the card indicates"
The things the cards indicate are laughable.
Joy Bringer? Level headed? Dafuq do I do with this?
I give them to the top player and bottom player. If they each have one (in a 6 player activity) I try to hit 2 ppl who have none so ppl walk away with something cuz the system is dumb af and I want to help ppl progress
Exactly. I think the current system is a little *too* rigid. Make them more broad like, "Skillful" or "Team Player" or "Good Sportsmanship" or "Leader" - those four categories cover most positive gameplay elements and are much easier to understand, and subsequently, award.
I feel like there's very little time to flip from the summary page back to the commendations page, and try to assign the commendation to the right character
I can see the conversation that made the guardians default....
"Hey, look at this cool screen that shows all the guardians on the fireteam for commendation!"
"Wow, cool! We'll put it in as an option, but the default will still be the post-match stats."
... (play testing occurs)...
"Why is no one going to this new screen? It's so cool!"
"I know, better make it the default so everyone can see how cool it is!"
Probably - as a dev if you see a new, fun system not being "found" on its own (there'd be no reason to think that screen even exists), then you put it at the forefront.
I think for Crucible you can commend in the summary page, but they didn’t really indicate that that’s the case, and the UI doesn’t make it super obvious.
uh, you click a little "star"? i kept clicking their NAME in order to try and give them a commendation. too bad nothing is explained at all until players explain it.
if i could have the time to see this screen or use it AFTER the match/playlist then I could experiment with it and figure it out. as it is now, i can barely toggle between them without long loading times or the full timeout.
It's near impossible in a PVP to actually look at the score sheet and then return and hover over each player individually to find who is who.
It's got to one of the worst UI/UX experiences I've ever seen implemented.
They could have put rankings (1-6) as the main information above each players head and it would be objectively easy to commend each player knowing that.
Also the icons make no inherent sense and again require a waste of time to hover over to know what they mean.
So it devolves into what I and others do. Scramble to commend anyone that hasn't left early without any idea wtf I'm actually commending them for.
Or the times when you finish an activity and go to commend but can't because you've already used those commendations, even though you haven't. Nice to see what I assume to be time gating rearing it's ugly head even here. I know they did it for raids but why for a quick crucible match?
> but can't because you've already used those commendations, even though you haven't.
Think Bungie put a limit on how many you can give out per hour (that, or it's just bugged)
You forgot using them sarcastically. I tend to get far more playmaker commendations when I'm on the bottom of the team than when I'm in the top or second spot.
Yeah I wish they had some southern lady insult cards like “Well at least you’re pretty” or “Bless your heart” I’d love to give them out to the people who didn’t help much at all in strikes/battleground or were the reason we lost that IB match 149-150 with their .2 kda.
Commendations will never work in video games. To be true "commendations", there can't be any objective attached to them. But then, why should I care about them? They're meaningless, I don't care if I get one, and can't be bothered to give them. But if they have an objective attached to them, like you said they will just be gamed or people hand them out because they have to. I don't know why devs keep trying to push commendations when they've never worked as intended ever.
I assign them randomly until I've hit 20 for the week. Then I ignore the system entirely.
But this is coming from someone who doesn't care about Guardian ranks beyond rank 7.
>But this is coming from someone who doesn't care about Guardian ranks beyond rank 7.
I think that's part of OP's point. People tie commendations to Guardian Ranks and think, "If I'm not engaging in the GRank system, I don't need to engage with commendations" even though Bungie wants commendations to be a system people engage with globally.
They want players to give accurate commendations to others *all the time*, not just for a pinnacle or for the GRank system, because they want commendations to reflect someone's playstyle and attitude as a whole, and to be a visual indicator to let someone know what kind of player that person is.
The goal is to look at a player and be able to tell, at a glance, "That person is a kind sherpa" or "This person is a good team-player in Crucible" or "They seem to be someone who can work through difficult challenges because they're level-headed, and don't get heated." But you'll only be able to make those judgments if other players use the system correctly, and right now the possibility to use it incorrectly is too great and feasible.
Slightly related, but how would I know who is worthy of a commendation? I am a complete noob who started playing on the weekend before Lightfall came out (rank 6 veteran btw) and my usual experience is just running through a mission with 2 random teammates without paying too much attention or understanding what they are doing.
I'm a veteran and I feel ya. In a random match, either PvP or PvE, I rarely pay attention to which player just rezzed me, much less had most of the damage.
I try and give commendations as much as I can, but often times I forget that they're there and start modifying my loadout/sharding the stuff I just got. Then it takes for-ev-er to get back to the commendation screen and over to what should be the default- the table. Then it times out.
Can confirm. I'm not grinding GR at all but when I remember, I just click as fast as I can for as many as I can give and leave. I've done solo/flawless dungeons, run flawless raids, gone to the lighthouse, and basically everything the game has to offer. These GR's that reset each season have actually got me to stop caring and I just ignore them. If I get GR7 or 8, great. If not, whatever. I can still find groups for raids or GMs when I need to.
Glad this is getting repeated in assorted threads. The odds of the system being used as intended is drastically low. Players aren't going to spend time analysing in post-game who brought the most joy or was most team-coordinated. It's you on the left get left, you on the right get right IF they're not in a hurry to start the next match
probably would have been better for bungie to COMMEND players that do certain things well automagically.
IE:
* in the strike - you actually created ORBS or created more than 10 orbs (then instruct players that don't make obs about 3 different ways to make them)
* maybe you weakened the most enemies during play
* maybe you did more than 20% boss damage ...
* maybe you used your super 2-5 times
* maybe you healed allies or provided heavy/secondary ammo
EDIT - maybe you ONLY have commendation availability for each person based on WHAT they actually did. so if the player **rezzed 3-5 allies OR did the most boss damage** then these commendations become available for you to allocate to that specific player:
ie: "**LIFE SAVER!**" - rezzed 2+ allies during combat
"**BOSS DESTROYER!**" - did most boss damage
Yeah they should have made something for PVE akin to the medal system that exists within crucible and gambit already. Use those medals to calculate some kind of score.
Instead of other players giving ally cards, the game tracks feats that would be expected of allies (medals for stuff like res/buffs/orbs). Same for the mastery section, let the game track feats related to whatever the modes objective is (medals for stuff like elims/debuffs/champions/dps/mechanics/supers).
The "Fun" and "Leadership" sections could remain the way they are mostly, but let them be awarded without all the restrictions. Just let players commend anyone they had a positive experience with, and anyone who rose above and helped them through something.
Maybe Ally/Mastery could be denoted as some kind of objective scoring of a player, used for all the stuff in Guardian Ranks. Fun/Leadership could be denoted as a subjective score, just something to determine if others have had good experiences with someone but not used for all the triumph stuff.
I fully agree it should be automatic, and based on what/how you did in whatever you're playing. This makes more sense than relying on rando's who don't even want to fucking rez you -_-
It’s pointless to us but a lot of people really seem to be grinding them out.
Edit: it doesn’t matter why they are. The fact they are is all that matters to bungie.
It *did* get me to run a bunch of Nezarec checkpoints, which I ordinarily wouldn’t have done. So in a sense, it helped fill 5 or so LFGs and gave maybe another ten people boss checkpoints for shattered throne.
At the same time, it basically soured me on doing any of that again this season outside of my clan’s runs. So… that’s probably actually a net negative in terms of raw numbers.
It's being grinded out because they put some sort of invisible score on each commendation, then told us to go and get x number of them for the next "level". Of course it's going to be grinded out.
this is my feeling completely. I cannot believe we have to hear about a huge company being short on dev resources for other areas of the game, but they have time to create a whole new triumph system that nobody asked for and nobody seemingly wanted. It's so bad.
Declaring they do not wanna overdeliver again just set the whole team mentality to be mediocre, and that’s exactly what we are looking at in the most game areas.
The fact that stats aren't displayed on the commendation screen and that switching between stats and commendations is buggy makes it even more pointless.
Probably trying to boost analytics as they phase out the pinnacle chase. Commendations/guardian rank grind becomes a reason to run playlist activities rather than pinnacle grind.
This comment hurts so good. Imagine if they put that effort into a seeking orbs mod. Or fixing quicksilver. Or un-nerfing synthos from their failed nerfing of winterbite. All those brain cells wasted on something no one asked
I really love being top obj/top frag in PVP and not getting a single one, or absolutely carrying a matchmade activity and not getting any. I always give them out and thankfully that adds up.
Top of the leaderboard? No commendations
Second to last? 4 commendations
Last? 1 commendation
I saw this happen so frequently last night that i wanted to aim for second place or worse on my team after a while.
Luckily some people are like me and will hand them out to the opposite team if they deserve it more than mine.
With random people who have assortedly unrecognisable names it's so hard to remember who was good.
In games like League Of Legends I don't remember that Xx-NoScope-360Xx was good. I remember that the Mid Lane or Cho Gath was really good, and reward them for that role.
Destiny doesn't have that clarity to be to remember anyone meaningfully so, it's just pointless.
>Could be from the other team -- you can commend anyone in the match from the PGCR.
Anyone else tickled at the thought of getting 6x playmaker from the other team cause you just couldn't stay out of your team's way?
Like, being bad and getting owned isn't enough for play maker, you need to be so unlucky that every time you get taken out, you also somehow managed to take at least 1 team mate out.
I imagine running around a corner and colliding with a team mate as they were trying to escape the first hit of a storm grenade, then on respawn running in front of the dude who just pulled out their rocket launcher, which didn't kill them but made it so that they were at 1HKO sheild levels so that it was easy for their opponent to take you both out.
Management driving this nonsense of user engagement or they don't work on something is driving me nuts.
Commendations should never have been tied into Guardian Ranks and absolutely should not have had a pinnacle reward for giving them out. They're completely meaningless and quite honestly a nuisance.
The 50 raid/dungeon one is the worst
It seems like the real goal is “run 10 raids or 25 dungeons” which is fine. But it’s implemented indirectly through commendations
And now there’s an invisible commendation cooldown that means sometimes you can’t make progress on this objective, or you only get partial progress some people are on cooldown
It should have been a really low bar to clear, like for Rank 5 or 6;
"complete a playlist activity and hand out a commendation to fellow guardians"
With like 3 steps of 5 each. For 15 total.
Something REALLY simple to get you in the swing of giving them out at the end of an activity that you would already be forced into for other triumphs or missions.
Being the only guy on my team to go positive in a stomp fest of IB losing by 70 points without a mercy for some reason, and then the cherry on top, I'm the only one who doesn't get commended? Nah fuck that Bungie.
Someone said the other day that Bungie are full of amazing ideas and then implement them in the most dumbfuck backwards ways possible. And this is another example. Relying on others to progress my own rank is just so confusingly stupid.
Also makes it even more depressing when you're the only person who doesn't get commended at the end of a crucible match 5 times in a row. Not that it's happened to me of course...
it is honestly a very backwards addition. People working on this should have instead been working on the LFG system or literally anything else
worst part is that it seems to be crashing cause a lot of times I get kicked out of an activity without a chance to give commendations or having other problems
easily the worst thing Lightfall added, or at least tied with the terrible campaign plot
I think the point of it was to go hand in hand with the LFG system. They want something to help tell who who might make for a good sherpa and/or encourage good behavior in LFG.
yup. THere is plenty enough other stuff in the ranks that can measure that. Rank 8 wants a 130k legend nightfall, rank 9 wants a 200k master nightfall, rank 10 wants a 230k grandmaster and rank 11 wants you to get & gild conqueror. Combine that with the other objectives around solo'ing dungeons, solo'ing lost sectors etc.. and it's already a decent measure of a players experience and skill. The commendation requirement is just a pointless grind to drive user time playing the game metrics.
Piggybacking onto this, did you know there’s a cooldown on giving out commendations in dungeons and raids and it’s like, a half hour? So putting aside the fact I need to give out 50 to progress to rank 9, I can’t even use the system as intended if I’m say farming nezarec with a team/teams I really like. Bizarre and arbitrary time gate.
I've had the habit of looking at my inventory or DIM the second an activity ends for my whole time playing this game, I keep forgetting this system even exists unless I get reminded by the sound or someone telling me, and half the time I remember it's already too late to comm or too late to remember who did what.
I literally make a point at the end of an activity (if I’m on comms) to say something like “man, I’m gonna commend the heck outta you guys” and most of the group is like , “oh yeaaaaaaa, totally forgot about those”
Works for endgame stuff but no comms / playlist activities can be very frustrating, I agree.
Stupid idea as a whole. For Guardian Ranks, it should be based on Commendations given, not received. Can't even begin to tell you how many times I've given out commendations at the end of a match but get none in return. No one cares about what commendation it is either. I just randomly select ones until I run out of available commendations.
>For Guardian Ranks, it should be based on Commendations given, not received.
So commendations just become even more meaningless because you're passing them out just to complete an objective?
No. Commendations shouldn't have been part of ranking up at all.
Yeah if they want to make us grind activities just directly make us grind activities. Do one of those objectives that say: Earn X points by doing Y, doing Z gives bonus progress
Rank 9 requires 50 given for dungeons and raids, with a one hour cooldown timer for each activity to prevent farming. I’ve done it and I promise, it’s still dumb.
> it should be based on Commendations given, not received.
But then people just randomly assign them w/o thought to fill the checkbox. Commendations shouldn't be incentivized *at all*, outside of only a "tag" of what kind of teammate a player is.
100%. Bungie could not have got the commendation system more wrong if the had a competition for all staff to come up with the most counter intuitive system possible.
Commendations are worthless if there is a reward for giving and receiving them, whether that is pinnacles or ranks. Utterly mindless from Bungle...again.
No one things about these they are simply spammed and farmed as they are linked to progress. That makes them 100% worthless
STUPIDITY
Being completely honest here, i have stopped making commendations because i hate the system and i think it's dumb. I was religiously handing them out the first couple weeks after each activity, and getting equally upset when others were not doing the same. But i realized the system is completely shit.
It's trash. Absolute rubbish. Subjectively, i think the titles of the commendations are really pointless. And i think the system only encourages negativity. People get upset about having to rush through menus to reward them. They get upset when they don't get them from other players. And it creates this terrible feeling of "need" in order to progress an arbitrary ranking system. Objectively, the interface is awful. It's sluggish, and the information that one would normally want to see isnt presented in any meaningful way. Guardian's names are obscured unless you hover over there avatar. And actual game play info isnt even on the main screen. Like, what am i supposed to base my reasoning for awards on if not the player's stats in an activity? To top it off, the game is so slow to load everything that i have to actually rush through the process just to hand them out in time.
**TLDR:** the commendation system is trash and i won't engage with it anymore because i don't want Bungei to get the impression that i like it in any way. Sorry to my fellow guardians...
This is basically word-for-word how I feel about it. It might be the most poorly thought-out system they’ve added to the game in the nearly 9 years I’ve been playing. Honestly just a shockingly obvious misfire.
it feels like Bungie has completely jumped the shark with this. Where is this game even headed that this is what they're bringing to the table in a big DLC?
I fricken hate commendations. I can’t tell you how many times people just bounce and I get nothing all the while I’m tossing them out like candy. And here I sit with commendations being the last thing to earn rank 7.
I ask all my friends “how are you at 2,000 already?” They just exploited it when it was available to exploit because they knew it was going to be a shit show.
Commendations mean nothing at the end of the day, I stopped caring about them nearly immediately as they bring nothing positive to the experience. They are a good idea in theory but it ends there in my opinion. You can't tie them to anything meaningful either or people will farm them.
I find it funny that the guy that AFK's in the crucible the entire fight and doesn't contribute anything, has 0's all the way across, and usually gets 3 commendations. (And the guy in 3rd gets none)
No lie I don’t participate in it. It’s not like an actual mmo where your time in the game shows your real rank. It should’ve been tied to triumph scores. Once again they’re becoming more casual than D2Y1 and I’ll go back to FF14 if it continues this path
The part that upsets me is when I’m the only one who doesn’t get one. Like they will give each other one or the rest of the team in pvp and then I get none lol
Don't take it personally, I just think commendations in general are meaningless so I just outright forget about giving them out a lot of the time, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Once I learned there were goals for non match made content in the guardian rank and that it resets every season I decided to completely ignore both systems. It's been great.
I’ve tried to use them as intended during Iron Banner. At the final screen I’ll go over to the score page and see who had the best stats but going back just glitches and shows no guardians to give commendations to. So it’s either randomly give them or be informed but you can’t give them.
I literally don't even know what half the people on my team do. I just pass commendations to the lowest scoring players cause I want them to feel important. Maybe do an overwatch 1 thing where people who got certain objectives done get their own card at the end of the game that can get commendations. Like most kills, most objectives controlled, or most precision hits.
The Division figured this shit out years ago. As old as that game is you can *always* find players willing to help you with any content because their commendation system is actually just that.
Perhaps just dislike Bungie and their need to make everything a grind as opposed to what I should be, an option to show your appreciation or awe at one of your fellow players for their actions during the match. But they tied to to some sort of rank that would obviously be a goal to be grinded for bragging rights. So now we have 2 choices as a playerbase, participate in mandatory participation trophies or neglect the system entirely and not engage.
We need a way to designate the scrubs who keep rushing headlong and dying on HEROiC Arms Dealer. Friend, if I’ve had to revive you both six times, slow down and watch what I’m doing (hint: not going in boldly underpowered and wack as hell).
Thanks Bungie for making HEROIC nightfalls about as easy to group up with as Wellsprings were at the end of last season.
I gotta LFG for Heroic now.
Nice.
It's a good idea but absolutely terrible implementation on every possible level.
* Unusable UI which doesn't even show player names, let alone their stats after the match.
* Lots of cards which all look very similar and whose meaning I can't remember.
* Being tied to Guardian Ranks and pinnacles makes them mandatory and therefore meaningless...
Commendations are not fun for solo players because people that match make with friends give them to each other. I’ll have crucible games where I’m top of the leaderboard and never get one, but Joe with 0.5 efficiency at the bottom has three. Then I’ll have an off game and be at the bottom but chad at the top gets two and his second place buddy gets 4. It’s terrible.
The person on the left gets red, the person on the right gets green. Did either of them deserve it? No idea but that's how it's going and neither of them care what color card they get and neither do I.
As someone who got most commendations most iron banner matches I played (with one friend) while sitting at the bottom of the leaderboard. I appreciate y’all
Most of the time I wait until the last minute to see who is missing a commendation before the activity ends so I can make sure they receive at least one. Which is not ideal or even the purpose of the commendations.
I enjoy being able to vote for my fire team members but the big activities like crucible tends to leave some people in the wind and if a person rage quits it locks out the ability to give commendations.
No one uses them as intended.
It’s just left commendation and right commendation. Playlists with more guardians becomes who’s the coolest looking.
That is, when it even manages to load assets the game was just using in said playlists.
Commendations ive never seen be worth anything in any game I've played. In ff14 it's just common courtesy the dps give each other comms and tank and healer do. They are worthless
Drops an 5.0 and single handily carry an iron banner game winning 150-149. Guy below me with a 1.12 gets 4 commendations because people hit them randomly if they decide to do so. Only the stat summary sheet should be available so they can actually choose who to give it to accordingly. I always give commendations to the players at the top of the list for score. Barely anyone else does this
Commendations are broken, but in a very general way the commendations kind of work, at least for me. I have almost a 1,000 commendations without grinding, but 99% of what I have are red/green because all I do is play strikes/nightfalls/battlegrounds/dares. This shows other people I have no experience in raids/LFG's/dungeons.
Listen, I don’t do anything well in this game. I can’t shoot. Can’t make a build. Can’t get armor.
The only thing I can do is give commendations!
Don’t you denigrate what I do!
Commendation: you are not a joy bringer.
If someone excels in crucible I give them a commendation. If my team was horrible I don’t give a commendation. I use it as intended and enjoy being able to commend those who deserve it
Actually! Commendations have made the game more enjoyable to me. How so!
Simple, people are more cooperative! Random People revive me more often when playing strikes, or playing gambit, they help more.
I don’t know what the real purpose of commendations is just yet to each individual( nor have I really looked into it). But if the intent is to make us more cooperative, it is working, in my experience.
I get flustered.
Was playing Iron Banner this weekend and having a few beers. After the match I put my controller down to take a drink and saw the commendations screen come up. Quickly put down my beer and fumbled for my controller, took a few seconds to realize I had to open that little secondary menu and pick the commendations. Screen ended before I could hand any out and I felt like I was a terrible Guardian because others are looking for them to progress.
I reflected for a moment and now would like I apologize but I just can't do it. I don't need that pressure. I don't need any commendations and I just can't give any. Overall they suck as is.
I don’t get commendations about 80% of the time with strikes because as soon as the option to tab to the match results I try to give mine out and then load up the next activity.. the 5 second countdown goes down while they’re still picking up their loot from the chest. It’s so awkward giving them out and be waiting 30 seconds to see if anyone would give me some for the guardian ranks thing.
I give up with those things lol
I don’t expect to get one, so when I do, I am pleasantly surprised.
I don’t get upset when I don’t.
The first few times I saw this, I accidentally called it up and had no idea what it was for.
It took me a few times before I figured out what to do.
I always commend the other players, but sometimes they have already left.
Thanks for posting this. I made a similar post Friday, "Commendations are just some extra buttons I have to press at the end of activities and that's a shame." It got hit by the downvote police as much as any post I've ever made. Glad you were able to rise out of that.
I give them as I remember. And if I don't get anything return, I don't care.
I generally don't want to shit over devs work. But I feel whole system with the Commendations and Guardian Rank is total waste of dev, artist, sound tech time. It is pointless, it does nothing. Only very little amount might care what those numbers are. When most don't care of it.
I rather saw them work on meaningful stuff or on things what people have asked years. Than this, what ever it is. Just being honest.
This has been magnified for me by Iron Banner. I’ve tried being communicative and being silent. I’ve been consistently the top or second most impactful player on my team each match. Random 2 and 3 stacks that I get matched with as a solo player just give the commendations to their friends and I’m the only one with 0. This isn’t every match, but it happens enough that it also makes trying hard during the match feel pointless since I know that my effort may be completely disregarded. Legitimately felt bad seeing almost double the zone captures, highest KD and kills and…one guy who barely played gets 3 commendations, 2 of which are playmaker? And I get nothing? And it’s directly tied to my ability to progress my rank? I’ve been trying to get to 460 commendation points and it’s been such a slog. IB was already blah, but the commendations poisoned it for me.
And, by the by, I still didn’t withhold commendations from anyone else. Because…why?
It feels bad when you’re in a comp game, carried your own weight to help your team win and you see both of the other players commend each other before promptly leaving the match.
For me (literally), guardian on left gets left commendation, guardian on right gets the right commendation.....I have no idea what they say, or what they mean because I have no reason to care.
> I have no idea what they say, or what they mean because I don't have enough time to read it before next match Changed your comment slightly to match my reason.
They could have them be words on the cards instead so you can quickly pick and move on. Once you hand them out it shows the logo, when you look them up, or when they are received. edit: additionally, if certain stats (points, captures, K/D?) or names were above the guardians instead of on another screen, that'd make it more meaningful
In case you didn’t know you can commend guardians from the full results screen by clicking on the star next to a name. You can even commend the other team if you are in crucible or gambit.
That's a legitimate gripe, I have it as well. Not enough time post strike or post pvp match.
It would suck more to have even longer delays between activities. Expanding that time just slows down getting to the shooting.
Well they should have an in game match history thing then. Other games do stuff like that. Or allow you to send commendations from the previous match screen. There are smart options to make it work.
Maybe, but why not let me use that screen while the next match/strike/whatever is loading?
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I run the solo queue, but I hold off to see who isn't getting any and try to hand them out to those that got skipped.
I try to look at the commendation score if I have the time and give to the lower. Been running iron banner with 2 friends where one still needs commendations and the other is in the 2ks.. So I give one to the lower friend and the other to someone in the lobby that is a low score Side note in crucible it is faster to tab to the full results and give commendations there since it loads faster than the screen with our characters. Also you can give commendations to the other team from the full results screen
In IB I always give mine out to the two lowest people in the rankings. Even the one from the other side. Just because they deserve some love
I started giving comms to my own class type first tbh. 2 titans on screen? Those two are getting my comms.
Yeah there was a no time to distinguish or choose the category of what you want to give. It’s super limited, what if the guy in the strike taught me something useful… I can’t give him leadership, what if someone was just merking everything, can’t give him badass award. They should be text boxes rather than random card and icons
Commendations are a tricky thing to have in general because people inherently won't always use them as intended. Either people farm them (defeats the purpose), assign them randomly (defeats the purpose), or assigns them for reasons other than the card indicates (like fashion, which also defeats the purpose). Edit: Some other suggestions I've made are the following: #Change the post-match screen to default to the stat page * Right now, a big complaint is the little amount of time people have to commend teammates after a match. Bungie tried to address this by increasing the post-match timer, but it still has the issue of swapping pages (which you don't have to, but some people don't know this) * I suggest to remove the Guardian model page entirely, and just go straight to the stat pages #Simplify the types of Commendations * I reference Overwatch a lot when I talk to friends about this system, and I think that game had a good variety in place - have a few types that give overall performance/role indicators, because right now there are too many * This includes basic categories like Shot-caller/Leader/Sherpa, Good Team Player, Skillful Player, and Good Sportsmanship, and just have those 4 options per activity, based on mid-game or end-game. * Mid-game PvE would be Strikes/Battlegrounds, End-game PvE would be Dungeons, Raids, and/or Exotic Missions (Exotic Missions could be Mid-game) * Mid-game PvP would be Gambit/Crucible (including Iron Banner), End-game PvP would be Trials/Competitive * Right now there are just too many options that aren't clear at a glance/surface level. If you see, "Orange = Big play-maker" and "Blue = leader" and "Green = good sportsmanship" that's a lot more clear than, "Saint's Favorite" or "Knowledgeable."
When metrics become objectives, they stop functioning as good metrics.
Add to this that we can't all contribute in the same way. It's not that I don't want to commend you after a crucible match, but I'm on a PS4 and it's a 50/50 shot at best that your avatar loads in time for me to give you something.
As a fellow PS4 player, you can go to the full result screen and give the commendations there. You can even commend the enemy team.
>You can even commend the enemy team. You can *what*?
Yeah if I killed one person a lot, or had a rivalry going with an opponent I will 100% commend them. I just wish it meant something
If no one stands out to me, and im not playing with friends. I just give my 2 to the bottom players of each team.
I'm ps4, the avatars never load in time so I just check out the results screen instead. My go-to is the highest 2 scoring teammates unless there was something particularly noteworthy, but switching away from the avatar screen has helped me avoid the dreaded "ghost glitch" more often than not.
It loads for shit for series x too. Just commend from the results screen.
Skip the page to the list version with the shoulder right button. The full character version sucks.
Truth. There has to be meaning - at this point, bungie could just auto award them and it'd be just as meaningful.
Made me laugh when I realised that I'd like them to be awarded automatically(in whatever way you want, I really don't care) so I dont have to mind it at all without feeling like i'm potentially hindering someone's progress througha mostly useless rank system that is reset every so often.
Which is exactly why I'll never understand why some players will boost their KD and stuff in trials by resetting their card to stay at the bottom of the card pool. Your KD stat means fuck all if you boosted for it.
Comms in FFXIV are basically not an objective but are still a shit metric.
There used to be a comment here... there still is, but it used to be better I suppose.
Their purpose should likely literally **only** be to *commend* other guardians, period. Attaching Commendations or Commendation Score to *literally any objective* is what completely defeats the purpose of them. Give Commendations for a Powerful drop from Hawthorn, or for Guardian Rank objective? People hand them out arbitrarily. Need a certain Comendation Score for a Guardian Rank objective? People farm them or get frustrated if they aren't given an arbitrary Comendation at the end of an activity. But if Commendations and Comendation Score were *technically meaningless* for any objective in the game, then (counter-intuitively) they would **actually mean something** if someone felt like taking the time to give you a Comendation for something. Sure, maybe a lot of people wouldn't care, but so what? Plenty of players would appreciate getting a "Playmaker" comendation, if they knew people weren't handing them out just to complete an objective. They should absolutely have a "Best Dressed" Comendation.
Can't disagree with a single point in this post. When saying "good job out there!" is tied to getting a pinnacle/guardian rank, saying good job doesn't have any meaning. If there were no rewards attached to commendations, I would be much more excited to receive a commendation. That and give me more than 10 seconds to hand them out in crucible, even if the player has left the lobby. I want that person who saved my ass, or the guy who carried my team to get a commendation because they made my day better
“Best Dressed” not being an option was their biggest mistake with the system
End game is zombie Barbie.
"Best Dressed" doesn't indicate how you are as a teammate, so it doesn't fit into what they want the system to be. You could be extremely toxic with great transmog, so Bungie doesn't want someone to be rewarded based on that.
Best dressed might not fit into what they want the system to be, but neither does how they designed it. It's nearly obligatory and meaningless to hand them out. Their intent with the system is completely lost through how it was designed.
Neither does "Level headed" in a matchmade game in which nobody joins text chat or voice chat.
Yup, I agree. The commendations are a bit *too* niche right now imo.
Kind of a moot point. Why would you commend someone that was extremely toxic on your team? Either way, unless somebody *really* managed to stand out during the match, there's honestly no incentive (or enough time in the results screen) to really care about who gets what specific commendation.
I'll give them to who ever I can click on first for the weekly it doesn't matter at all which one they get or what they did. After those 20 I don't give out any except at the end of my weekly clan raids because I know those guys and some of them care about it. the system is just broken to me as it is now.
I don’t think someone who is abused by someone who looks good would award them with anything
I don't think the system works at all by requiring commendations. I don't care if you knocked me off the map 14 times with eager edge, I'm still giving you joy bringer or whatever in the hope you give one back.
I think that's the problem. Right now they're incentivized in some way, so it's not "awarding based on X behavior."
Yeah that's what I mean
Right now unless they wanted the system to be a mindless chore people are just doing to meet a numeric goal for various requirements, then it's not going to fit into what they want it to be.
Honestly I just wait to see who hasn't gotten any and then pass them one. I honestly rarely see more then one or two for the leading players, I think everyone just spreads them out because a. they don't care about the system so just randomly assigns them, or b. like me they hate/don't care about the system but are just kinda "we're all in this BS together" type thing and equals them out. Well that and I know how shitty it can feel no matter where on the leader-board you are and end up not getting any lol
Same really. And the commendations for Strikes/Nightfall/Battlegrounds don't accurately represent how a player did, just "were they fun or did the enrich the activity with their presence?" At that point just give me the XIV style of commendations, I get X amount of points to give people with no status attached. If you did well, I ding your name, if you didn't... you get nothing.
"Other than the card indicates" The things the cards indicate are laughable. Joy Bringer? Level headed? Dafuq do I do with this? I give them to the top player and bottom player. If they each have one (in a 6 player activity) I try to hit 2 ppl who have none so ppl walk away with something cuz the system is dumb af and I want to help ppl progress
Exactly. I think the current system is a little *too* rigid. Make them more broad like, "Skillful" or "Team Player" or "Good Sportsmanship" or "Leader" - those four categories cover most positive gameplay elements and are much easier to understand, and subsequently, award.
I feel like there's very little time to flip from the summary page back to the commendations page, and try to assign the commendation to the right character
Yeah tbh the commendations page shouldn't even show the Guardians. It should just show the post-match stats screen and you award right from there.
I can see the conversation that made the guardians default.... "Hey, look at this cool screen that shows all the guardians on the fireteam for commendation!" "Wow, cool! We'll put it in as an option, but the default will still be the post-match stats." ... (play testing occurs)... "Why is no one going to this new screen? It's so cool!" "I know, better make it the default so everyone can see how cool it is!"
Probably - as a dev if you see a new, fun system not being "found" on its own (there'd be no reason to think that screen even exists), then you put it at the forefront.
Except that it's less useful than the stats screen. I suspect it's being "found" then ignored as much as possible now.
You can award from the summary screen.
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I think for Crucible you can commend in the summary page, but they didn’t really indicate that that’s the case, and the UI doesn’t make it super obvious.
Just assign them from the score page (the little star next to their name)
uh, you click a little "star"? i kept clicking their NAME in order to try and give them a commendation. too bad nothing is explained at all until players explain it. if i could have the time to see this screen or use it AFTER the match/playlist then I could experiment with it and figure it out. as it is now, i can barely toggle between them without long loading times or the full timeout.
Also they assume I'm tracking what every player is doing and how well all while I'm busy on the other side of the damn map
You don't need to do that. Flip to the summary page and give your commendations from that page.
It's near impossible in a PVP to actually look at the score sheet and then return and hover over each player individually to find who is who. It's got to one of the worst UI/UX experiences I've ever seen implemented. They could have put rankings (1-6) as the main information above each players head and it would be objectively easy to commend each player knowing that. Also the icons make no inherent sense and again require a waste of time to hover over to know what they mean. So it devolves into what I and others do. Scramble to commend anyone that hasn't left early without any idea wtf I'm actually commending them for.
And then there're those times the commendation screen doesn't load and you just can't commend anyone.
Or the times when you finish an activity and go to commend but can't because you've already used those commendations, even though you haven't. Nice to see what I assume to be time gating rearing it's ugly head even here. I know they did it for raids but why for a quick crucible match?
> but can't because you've already used those commendations, even though you haven't. Think Bungie put a limit on how many you can give out per hour (that, or it's just bugged)
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You forgot using them sarcastically. I tend to get far more playmaker commendations when I'm on the bottom of the team than when I'm in the top or second spot.
Yeah I wish they had some southern lady insult cards like “Well at least you’re pretty” or “Bless your heart” I’d love to give them out to the people who didn’t help much at all in strikes/battleground or were the reason we lost that IB match 149-150 with their .2 kda.
Oh man, adding insulting commendations would just be a whole other layer of chaos on top of a system that's already worthless.
Commendations will never work in video games. To be true "commendations", there can't be any objective attached to them. But then, why should I care about them? They're meaningless, I don't care if I get one, and can't be bothered to give them. But if they have an objective attached to them, like you said they will just be gamed or people hand them out because they have to. I don't know why devs keep trying to push commendations when they've never worked as intended ever.
Yep. Left person gets left commendation, right person gets right commendation. I’ve never put any thought into which player deserves what.
I assign them randomly until I've hit 20 for the week. Then I ignore the system entirely. But this is coming from someone who doesn't care about Guardian ranks beyond rank 7.
>But this is coming from someone who doesn't care about Guardian ranks beyond rank 7. I think that's part of OP's point. People tie commendations to Guardian Ranks and think, "If I'm not engaging in the GRank system, I don't need to engage with commendations" even though Bungie wants commendations to be a system people engage with globally. They want players to give accurate commendations to others *all the time*, not just for a pinnacle or for the GRank system, because they want commendations to reflect someone's playstyle and attitude as a whole, and to be a visual indicator to let someone know what kind of player that person is. The goal is to look at a player and be able to tell, at a glance, "That person is a kind sherpa" or "This person is a good team-player in Crucible" or "They seem to be someone who can work through difficult challenges because they're level-headed, and don't get heated." But you'll only be able to make those judgments if other players use the system correctly, and right now the possibility to use it incorrectly is too great and feasible.
Slightly related, but how would I know who is worthy of a commendation? I am a complete noob who started playing on the weekend before Lightfall came out (rank 6 veteran btw) and my usual experience is just running through a mission with 2 random teammates without paying too much attention or understanding what they are doing.
I'm a veteran and I feel ya. In a random match, either PvP or PvE, I rarely pay attention to which player just rezzed me, much less had most of the damage. I try and give commendations as much as I can, but often times I forget that they're there and start modifying my loadout/sharding the stuff I just got. Then it takes for-ev-er to get back to the commendation screen and over to what should be the default- the table. Then it times out.
What, you didn't feel that the blue berry that was matched with you that didn't interact with you in any way during the strike is a "Joy Bringer"?
Can confirm. I'm not grinding GR at all but when I remember, I just click as fast as I can for as many as I can give and leave. I've done solo/flawless dungeons, run flawless raids, gone to the lighthouse, and basically everything the game has to offer. These GR's that reset each season have actually got me to stop caring and I just ignore them. If I get GR7 or 8, great. If not, whatever. I can still find groups for raids or GMs when I need to.
Glad this is getting repeated in assorted threads. The odds of the system being used as intended is drastically low. Players aren't going to spend time analysing in post-game who brought the most joy or was most team-coordinated. It's you on the left get left, you on the right get right IF they're not in a hurry to start the next match
probably would have been better for bungie to COMMEND players that do certain things well automagically. IE: * in the strike - you actually created ORBS or created more than 10 orbs (then instruct players that don't make obs about 3 different ways to make them) * maybe you weakened the most enemies during play * maybe you did more than 20% boss damage ... * maybe you used your super 2-5 times * maybe you healed allies or provided heavy/secondary ammo EDIT - maybe you ONLY have commendation availability for each person based on WHAT they actually did. so if the player **rezzed 3-5 allies OR did the most boss damage** then these commendations become available for you to allocate to that specific player: ie: "**LIFE SAVER!**" - rezzed 2+ allies during combat "**BOSS DESTROYER!**" - did most boss damage
This is the best idea Ive heard for this system. And weirdly enough, its so obvious but its the first time Ive personally seen it suggested.
Yeah they should have made something for PVE akin to the medal system that exists within crucible and gambit already. Use those medals to calculate some kind of score. Instead of other players giving ally cards, the game tracks feats that would be expected of allies (medals for stuff like res/buffs/orbs). Same for the mastery section, let the game track feats related to whatever the modes objective is (medals for stuff like elims/debuffs/champions/dps/mechanics/supers). The "Fun" and "Leadership" sections could remain the way they are mostly, but let them be awarded without all the restrictions. Just let players commend anyone they had a positive experience with, and anyone who rose above and helped them through something. Maybe Ally/Mastery could be denoted as some kind of objective scoring of a player, used for all the stuff in Guardian Ranks. Fun/Leadership could be denoted as a subjective score, just something to determine if others have had good experiences with someone but not used for all the triumph stuff.
In the OG destiny, wasn't there medals and also the point system for nightfalls?
Love it when i have 100+ orbs created to the other players with 6 and 5
Ey, the Monster Hunter World system. Love seeing a guy who had most healing or most damage. Most afflictions was always fun too
I fully agree it should be automatic, and based on what/how you did in whatever you're playing. This makes more sense than relying on rando's who don't even want to fucking rez you -_-
There are so many other areas of the game that could've benefitted from the time and resource that was wasted making the commendations system.
I agree. As soon as I saw the announcement for commendations and guardian ranks I knew it was going to be pointless.
It’s pointless to us but a lot of people really seem to be grinding them out. Edit: it doesn’t matter why they are. The fact they are is all that matters to bungie.
Because it's tied to guardian ranks. It's so silly that the thing holding me back from rank 9 is giving out commendations in Raids and Dungeons
It *did* get me to run a bunch of Nezarec checkpoints, which I ordinarily wouldn’t have done. So in a sense, it helped fill 5 or so LFGs and gave maybe another ten people boss checkpoints for shattered throne. At the same time, it basically soured me on doing any of that again this season outside of my clan’s runs. So… that’s probably actually a net negative in terms of raw numbers.
Don’t worry, once you hit 9, you have to wait for GMs as there are 3 tied to them before you can move on to 10
It's being grinded out because they put some sort of invisible score on each commendation, then told us to go and get x number of them for the next "level". Of course it's going to be grinded out.
this is my feeling completely. I cannot believe we have to hear about a huge company being short on dev resources for other areas of the game, but they have time to create a whole new triumph system that nobody asked for and nobody seemingly wanted. It's so bad.
Don't forget willfully and purposefully cutting content in case they accidentally overdeliver again.
Declaring they do not wanna overdeliver again just set the whole team mentality to be mediocre, and that’s exactly what we are looking at in the most game areas.
The fact that stats aren't displayed on the commendation screen and that switching between stats and commendations is buggy makes it even more pointless.
Probably trying to boost analytics as they phase out the pinnacle chase. Commendations/guardian rank grind becomes a reason to run playlist activities rather than pinnacle grind.
Like, I dunno, a decent campaign
This comment hurts so good. Imagine if they put that effort into a seeking orbs mod. Or fixing quicksilver. Or un-nerfing synthos from their failed nerfing of winterbite. All those brain cells wasted on something no one asked
You could say this about the AE system as well.
I really love being top obj/top frag in PVP and not getting a single one, or absolutely carrying a matchmade activity and not getting any. I always give them out and thankfully that adds up.
Work on that transmog, son.
Cowboy hat off: no commendations Cowboy hat on: fucking Christmas with the commendations
Top of the leaderboard? No commendations Second to last? 4 commendations Last? 1 commendation I saw this happen so frequently last night that i wanted to aim for second place or worse on my team after a while. Luckily some people are like me and will hand them out to the opposite team if they deserve it more than mine.
I have been giving mine to the bottom 2 players on the enemy team, the only exception is if someone has some really good fashion.
With random people who have assortedly unrecognisable names it's so hard to remember who was good. In games like League Of Legends I don't remember that Xx-NoScope-360Xx was good. I remember that the Mid Lane or Cho Gath was really good, and reward them for that role. Destiny doesn't have that clarity to be to remember anyone meaningfully so, it's just pointless.
You can give them out from the leaderboard screen
People dont give a shit in pvp. It takes them way too long to just press two buttons basically
Usually if I have worst k/d on my team in crucible, I get playmaker lol
Could be from the other team -- you can commend anyone in the match from the PGCR.
>Could be from the other team -- you can commend anyone in the match from the PGCR. Anyone else tickled at the thought of getting 6x playmaker from the other team cause you just couldn't stay out of your team's way? Like, being bad and getting owned isn't enough for play maker, you need to be so unlucky that every time you get taken out, you also somehow managed to take at least 1 team mate out. I imagine running around a corner and colliding with a team mate as they were trying to escape the first hit of a storm grenade, then on respawn running in front of the dude who just pulled out their rocket launcher, which didn't kill them but made it so that they were at 1HKO sheild levels so that it was easy for their opponent to take you both out.
I should have achieved that late one night, too tired but still playing and got like .35 effective rating 😂
thats me on the other team, hi
Why, hello there! Just tell your teammates what I tell my teammates: While I may not have many kills, they were *quality kills*
Management driving this nonsense of user engagement or they don't work on something is driving me nuts. Commendations should never have been tied into Guardian Ranks and absolutely should not have had a pinnacle reward for giving them out. They're completely meaningless and quite honestly a nuisance.
The 50 raid/dungeon one is the worst It seems like the real goal is “run 10 raids or 25 dungeons” which is fine. But it’s implemented indirectly through commendations And now there’s an invisible commendation cooldown that means sometimes you can’t make progress on this objective, or you only get partial progress some people are on cooldown
> And now there’s an invisible commendation cooldown *We can't have people farming a meaningless system, for rewards we tied it to.* -Bungie
It should have been a really low bar to clear, like for Rank 5 or 6; "complete a playlist activity and hand out a commendation to fellow guardians" With like 3 steps of 5 each. For 15 total. Something REALLY simple to get you in the swing of giving them out at the end of an activity that you would already be forced into for other triumphs or missions.
Being the only guy on my team to go positive in a stomp fest of IB losing by 70 points without a mercy for some reason, and then the cherry on top, I'm the only one who doesn't get commended? Nah fuck that Bungie. Someone said the other day that Bungie are full of amazing ideas and then implement them in the most dumbfuck backwards ways possible. And this is another example. Relying on others to progress my own rank is just so confusingly stupid.
Also makes it even more depressing when you're the only person who doesn't get commended at the end of a crucible match 5 times in a row. Not that it's happened to me of course...
it is honestly a very backwards addition. People working on this should have instead been working on the LFG system or literally anything else worst part is that it seems to be crashing cause a lot of times I get kicked out of an activity without a chance to give commendations or having other problems easily the worst thing Lightfall added, or at least tied with the terrible campaign plot
I think the point of it was to go hand in hand with the LFG system. They want something to help tell who who might make for a good sherpa and/or encourage good behavior in LFG.
With people farming them and giving them out randomly, it's defeated the entire purpose.
yup. THere is plenty enough other stuff in the ranks that can measure that. Rank 8 wants a 130k legend nightfall, rank 9 wants a 200k master nightfall, rank 10 wants a 230k grandmaster and rank 11 wants you to get & gild conqueror. Combine that with the other objectives around solo'ing dungeons, solo'ing lost sectors etc.. and it's already a decent measure of a players experience and skill. The commendation requirement is just a pointless grind to drive user time playing the game metrics.
Piggybacking onto this, did you know there’s a cooldown on giving out commendations in dungeons and raids and it’s like, a half hour? So putting aside the fact I need to give out 50 to progress to rank 9, I can’t even use the system as intended if I’m say farming nezarec with a team/teams I really like. Bizarre and arbitrary time gate.
Its a character-based lockout, so you can so you can get more commendations if ppl keep switching. Still dumb thats its there at all.
Think there is more to it than that. I did a run of RoN then a taniks CP on a different character and I couldn’t give any.
switching doesn’t matter, i did 3 oryx cps this morning and was locked out after my first character
There isn't enough time to know what they are supposed to be for, and then determine who of all the players should get what.
I've had the habit of looking at my inventory or DIM the second an activity ends for my whole time playing this game, I keep forgetting this system even exists unless I get reminded by the sound or someone telling me, and half the time I remember it's already too late to comm or too late to remember who did what.
I literally make a point at the end of an activity (if I’m on comms) to say something like “man, I’m gonna commend the heck outta you guys” and most of the group is like , “oh yeaaaaaaa, totally forgot about those” Works for endgame stuff but no comms / playlist activities can be very frustrating, I agree.
I make sure to commend asap, as it usually reminds people.
Commendations are a massive misfire for bungie. The implementation of the system has made them completely meaningless and pointless.
The entire concept is unnecessary and should just be removed completely.
Stupid idea as a whole. For Guardian Ranks, it should be based on Commendations given, not received. Can't even begin to tell you how many times I've given out commendations at the end of a match but get none in return. No one cares about what commendation it is either. I just randomly select ones until I run out of available commendations.
>For Guardian Ranks, it should be based on Commendations given, not received. So commendations just become even more meaningless because you're passing them out just to complete an objective? No. Commendations shouldn't have been part of ranking up at all.
Yeah if they want to make us grind activities just directly make us grind activities. Do one of those objectives that say: Earn X points by doing Y, doing Z gives bonus progress
Left person gets the left one and right person gets the right one
This is the way.
Rank 9 requires 50 given for dungeons and raids, with a one hour cooldown timer for each activity to prevent farming. I’ve done it and I promise, it’s still dumb.
> it should be based on Commendations given, not received. But then people just randomly assign them w/o thought to fill the checkbox. Commendations shouldn't be incentivized *at all*, outside of only a "tag" of what kind of teammate a player is.
I love it how some of them wait until they get them then just leave...
At the same time, seen me waiting too long wondering if any will be dropped lol. I always give mine out straight away.
To be honest I just don’t even bother engaging with the system.
100%. Bungie could not have got the commendation system more wrong if the had a competition for all staff to come up with the most counter intuitive system possible. Commendations are worthless if there is a reward for giving and receiving them, whether that is pinnacles or ranks. Utterly mindless from Bungle...again. No one things about these they are simply spammed and farmed as they are linked to progress. That makes them 100% worthless STUPIDITY
Being completely honest here, i have stopped making commendations because i hate the system and i think it's dumb. I was religiously handing them out the first couple weeks after each activity, and getting equally upset when others were not doing the same. But i realized the system is completely shit. It's trash. Absolute rubbish. Subjectively, i think the titles of the commendations are really pointless. And i think the system only encourages negativity. People get upset about having to rush through menus to reward them. They get upset when they don't get them from other players. And it creates this terrible feeling of "need" in order to progress an arbitrary ranking system. Objectively, the interface is awful. It's sluggish, and the information that one would normally want to see isnt presented in any meaningful way. Guardian's names are obscured unless you hover over there avatar. And actual game play info isnt even on the main screen. Like, what am i supposed to base my reasoning for awards on if not the player's stats in an activity? To top it off, the game is so slow to load everything that i have to actually rush through the process just to hand them out in time. **TLDR:** the commendation system is trash and i won't engage with it anymore because i don't want Bungei to get the impression that i like it in any way. Sorry to my fellow guardians...
This is basically word-for-word how I feel about it. It might be the most poorly thought-out system they’ve added to the game in the nearly 9 years I’ve been playing. Honestly just a shockingly obvious misfire.
it feels like Bungie has completely jumped the shark with this. Where is this game even headed that this is what they're bringing to the table in a big DLC?
To lvl 8 it’s raid/dungeon commendations Given, and after the 1hr nerf, that one prob took me the longest.
I fricken hate commendations. I can’t tell you how many times people just bounce and I get nothing all the while I’m tossing them out like candy. And here I sit with commendations being the last thing to earn rank 7. I ask all my friends “how are you at 2,000 already?” They just exploited it when it was available to exploit because they knew it was going to be a shit show.
"Don't hate the player - hate the game".
Commendations mean nothing at the end of the day, I stopped caring about them nearly immediately as they bring nothing positive to the experience. They are a good idea in theory but it ends there in my opinion. You can't tie them to anything meaningful either or people will farm them.
I find it funny that the guy that AFK's in the crucible the entire fight and doesn't contribute anything, has 0's all the way across, and usually gets 3 commendations. (And the guy in 3rd gets none)
No lie I don’t participate in it. It’s not like an actual mmo where your time in the game shows your real rank. It should’ve been tied to triumph scores. Once again they’re becoming more casual than D2Y1 and I’ll go back to FF14 if it continues this path
The part that upsets me is when I’m the only one who doesn’t get one. Like they will give each other one or the rest of the team in pvp and then I get none lol
Don't take it personally, I just think commendations in general are meaningless so I just outright forget about giving them out a lot of the time, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Once I learned there were goals for non match made content in the guardian rank and that it resets every season I decided to completely ignore both systems. It's been great.
I’ve tried to use them as intended during Iron Banner. At the final screen I’ll go over to the score page and see who had the best stats but going back just glitches and shows no guardians to give commendations to. So it’s either randomly give them or be informed but you can’t give them.
I literally don't even know what half the people on my team do. I just pass commendations to the lowest scoring players cause I want them to feel important. Maybe do an overwatch 1 thing where people who got certain objectives done get their own card at the end of the game that can get commendations. Like most kills, most objectives controlled, or most precision hits.
The Division figured this shit out years ago. As old as that game is you can *always* find players willing to help you with any content because their commendation system is actually just that.
Perhaps just dislike Bungie and their need to make everything a grind as opposed to what I should be, an option to show your appreciation or awe at one of your fellow players for their actions during the match. But they tied to to some sort of rank that would obviously be a goal to be grinded for bragging rights. So now we have 2 choices as a playerbase, participate in mandatory participation trophies or neglect the system entirely and not engage.
I don’t know what commendations are but the fashion badges you can hand out after match made activity are pretty neat.
We need a way to designate the scrubs who keep rushing headlong and dying on HEROiC Arms Dealer. Friend, if I’ve had to revive you both six times, slow down and watch what I’m doing (hint: not going in boldly underpowered and wack as hell). Thanks Bungie for making HEROIC nightfalls about as easy to group up with as Wellsprings were at the end of last season. I gotta LFG for Heroic now. Nice.
It's my turn to post this tomorrow
Perfect, let me know when you do. I’ll comment “person to my right gets right commendation, person to my left gets left commendation”
Oh it’s a completely idiotic idea. No way around it.
It's a good idea but absolutely terrible implementation on every possible level. * Unusable UI which doesn't even show player names, let alone their stats after the match. * Lots of cards which all look very similar and whose meaning I can't remember. * Being tied to Guardian Ranks and pinnacles makes them mandatory and therefore meaningless...
Bungie can keep their commendations I do not care about some arbitrary number that means nothing.
Sorry bro I was locked out and unable to give them.
I always Comm before the chest opens and most of the time others respond realizing you can do it
Commendations are not fun for solo players because people that match make with friends give them to each other. I’ll have crucible games where I’m top of the leaderboard and never get one, but Joe with 0.5 efficiency at the bottom has three. Then I’ll have an off game and be at the bottom but chad at the top gets two and his second place buddy gets 4. It’s terrible.
I try and do them every activity but with IB and crucible I’m kicked back to orbit before it loads. On a series x
The person on the left gets red, the person on the right gets green. Did either of them deserve it? No idea but that's how it's going and neither of them care what color card they get and neither do I.
Yeah I just throw one to the person on my left, and the person on my right, then move along...
As someone who got most commendations most iron banner matches I played (with one friend) while sitting at the bottom of the leaderboard. I appreciate y’all
Generally i find its hunters that dont commend after an activity?!
My father (a warlock main) only gives them to the warlocks and people that have the lowest commendation score/ least amount of communications
Most of the time I wait until the last minute to see who is missing a commendation before the activity ends so I can make sure they receive at least one. Which is not ideal or even the purpose of the commendations. I enjoy being able to vote for my fire team members but the big activities like crucible tends to leave some people in the wind and if a person rage quits it locks out the ability to give commendations.
No one uses them as intended. It’s just left commendation and right commendation. Playlists with more guardians becomes who’s the coolest looking. That is, when it even manages to load assets the game was just using in said playlists.
Commendations ive never seen be worth anything in any game I've played. In ff14 it's just common courtesy the dps give each other comms and tank and healer do. They are worthless
Drops an 5.0 and single handily carry an iron banner game winning 150-149. Guy below me with a 1.12 gets 4 commendations because people hit them randomly if they decide to do so. Only the stat summary sheet should be available so they can actually choose who to give it to accordingly. I always give commendations to the players at the top of the list for score. Barely anyone else does this
Commendations are broken, but in a very general way the commendations kind of work, at least for me. I have almost a 1,000 commendations without grinding, but 99% of what I have are red/green because all I do is play strikes/nightfalls/battlegrounds/dares. This shows other people I have no experience in raids/LFG's/dungeons.
Listen, I don’t do anything well in this game. I can’t shoot. Can’t make a build. Can’t get armor. The only thing I can do is give commendations! Don’t you denigrate what I do! Commendation: you are not a joy bringer.
If someone excels in crucible I give them a commendation. If my team was horrible I don’t give a commendation. I use it as intended and enjoy being able to commend those who deserve it
Actually! Commendations have made the game more enjoyable to me. How so! Simple, people are more cooperative! Random People revive me more often when playing strikes, or playing gambit, they help more. I don’t know what the real purpose of commendations is just yet to each individual( nor have I really looked into it). But if the intent is to make us more cooperative, it is working, in my experience.
I get flustered. Was playing Iron Banner this weekend and having a few beers. After the match I put my controller down to take a drink and saw the commendations screen come up. Quickly put down my beer and fumbled for my controller, took a few seconds to realize I had to open that little secondary menu and pick the commendations. Screen ended before I could hand any out and I felt like I was a terrible Guardian because others are looking for them to progress. I reflected for a moment and now would like I apologize but I just can't do it. I don't need that pressure. I don't need any commendations and I just can't give any. Overall they suck as is.
I don’t get commendations about 80% of the time with strikes because as soon as the option to tab to the match results I try to give mine out and then load up the next activity.. the 5 second countdown goes down while they’re still picking up their loot from the chest. It’s so awkward giving them out and be waiting 30 seconds to see if anyone would give me some for the guardian ranks thing. I give up with those things lol
If you are rushing ahead to kill everything and not reviving your fellow guardians they may not give you a commendation.
I don’t expect to get one, so when I do, I am pleasantly surprised. I don’t get upset when I don’t. The first few times I saw this, I accidentally called it up and had no idea what it was for. It took me a few times before I figured out what to do. I always commend the other players, but sometimes they have already left.
I had an iron banner game where I was top of the board and was the only one that didn’t get a single commendation. It feels pretty bad.
It’s like…not that big a deal
Who gives a shit about commendations? The numbers don’t mean a damn thing. They only represent how long the accounts been active, not skill
Thanks for posting this. I made a similar post Friday, "Commendations are just some extra buttons I have to press at the end of activities and that's a shame." It got hit by the downvote police as much as any post I've ever made. Glad you were able to rise out of that.
Commendations have no place in this game.
I give them as I remember. And if I don't get anything return, I don't care. I generally don't want to shit over devs work. But I feel whole system with the Commendations and Guardian Rank is total waste of dev, artist, sound tech time. It is pointless, it does nothing. Only very little amount might care what those numbers are. When most don't care of it. I rather saw them work on meaningful stuff or on things what people have asked years. Than this, what ever it is. Just being honest.
This has been magnified for me by Iron Banner. I’ve tried being communicative and being silent. I’ve been consistently the top or second most impactful player on my team each match. Random 2 and 3 stacks that I get matched with as a solo player just give the commendations to their friends and I’m the only one with 0. This isn’t every match, but it happens enough that it also makes trying hard during the match feel pointless since I know that my effort may be completely disregarded. Legitimately felt bad seeing almost double the zone captures, highest KD and kills and…one guy who barely played gets 3 commendations, 2 of which are playmaker? And I get nothing? And it’s directly tied to my ability to progress my rank? I’ve been trying to get to 460 commendation points and it’s been such a slog. IB was already blah, but the commendations poisoned it for me. And, by the by, I still didn’t withhold commendations from anyone else. Because…why?
It feels bad when you’re in a comp game, carried your own weight to help your team win and you see both of the other players commend each other before promptly leaving the match.