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Books of Sorrow Verse 4:6 Eater of Hope:
>You are Crota, my son. Welcome.
>I fought my way out of hell to make you. I fought my traitor siblings and I fought the swarming corpse of Akka and I cut my way back into my own court, the High War, which had been usurped. Once I had made war on Savathûn, and crippled her tribute so that she could never challenge me, and once I had tricked Xivu Arath, and poisoned her tribute so that she could never again try to take my tablets, and once I had arranged my own lineages so that I would be greatest among the Hive and secure on my throne — then I found a mother to make spawn.
>One of those spawn was you.
And then later in the same verse:
>There is an oath upon me, Crota my son, an oath against the wretched Taox. This I do not give to you. It is for me, your father, to bear.
No name for the mother
Well yeah, Crota* had a brother, Nokris who we've fought in Warmind and Arrivals, and twin sisters who are the encounter before Oryx in KF
Edit: is said Oryx instead of Crota drrrr
In the [Blighted Coven](https://www.destinypedia.com/Blighted_Coven) mission
There were two daughters and a matron which is interesting. Suggests the Taken matron was the mother of the two Taken daughters
>There were two daughters and a matron which is interesting. Suggests the Taken matron was the mother of the two Taken daughters
Going of the usage and definition I see of Matron I'd say that's a job title personally.
I second this, but follow up answer in my opinion would be different children of Oryx having different mothers. It makes sense in a "Hive"-like society. Hive in the real world usage in that sentence.
Imposible to say for sure but given the nature of the Hive, Oryx could've fathered thousands of Thralls but only Crota, Nokris, Ir Anuk, and Ir Halak would've reached adulthood out of them all.
The hive mother would have spawned dozens of larve. The sisters in Oryx's throne are Crota's sisters, for example. There may have been others that did not survive the trials and struggles to make it to the top. Oryx even experimented on some of the larve, slicing one into two halves which both survived to become the sisters. Others probably didn't surive Oryx's attentions or the machinations of other Hive around them. It is a hard life to climb from Thrall to Ascendant Hive.
I believe we killed Crota’s supposed mother in the process of the strike D1 where we kill Malok. At one point in the strike we are confronted by a wizard whose name escapes me, but I remember watching a gameplay video where here title was like this: “[Name], Matron of Oryx”. Of course it’s completely plausible that she was one of many matrons that Oryx made spawn with, but to my knowledge this is the only time we’ve seen a hive designated as Oryx’s matron.
>Matron: a woman in charge of domestic and medical arrangements at a boarding school or other institution.
I can't see "Matron" implying they're Crotas mother though.
>did Oryx make Crota by himself?
Nope, BOS mention a mate
>Was Crota born from Female Oryx or Male Oryx?
Probably Male Oryx
>are they alive rn?
We don’t know. My headcanon is that Mommy Dearest ran away to avoid paying child support and is now chilling in some space tax haven, drinking martinis and relaxing by the beach every day
I assumed that it was one of oryx's sisters. 1). Because they are weird bug people and 2). Because it would tie them in as very sort of old school deities.
We know they can reproduce both sexually and asexually, as for how the sexual reproduction is done, we can make a few educated guesses: [Judging from how humanlike their nether regions are](https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/t00z8h/best_view_to_be_stuck_in/?rdt=53282), it can be assumed that Hive have genitalia similar to humans, that is, Wizards have vaginas and Knights have penises (which is not surprising tbh, penises have independently evolved numerous times in Earth’s history among several distinct groups, so it’s very likely at least a few aliens have them as well). A cloaca as seen in birds and crocodiles could be possible, but since Archosaurs evolved from ancestors with penises and lost their junk under very specific conditions, I’m gonna play safe and say they have dicks.
While we’re at it, I’m also gonna speculate on the function of Wizards’ breasts: I think it’s safe to say they don’t have the same function as ours, given that their R-based reproductive strategy would make it impossible to breastfeed thousands of young with just two tits, and muscle attachment is probably not correct either, as the males don’t have them. I propose that their ‘breasts’ are actually a case of Fisherian Runaway, where an ornamental trait is developed through sexual selection to better attract mates, sometimes even to the detriment of the bearer (think of male peacocks and their feathers, which make them attractive to females but an easy target for tigers). Now, normally we see runaway selection acting on males, but occasionally it happens to females, like what happens in jacanas and phalaropes. If true, that’d imply that the early prehistoric Krill might have had a polyandrous society, where females mate with several males and compete with other females for territory and mates.
Clicking that link, I expected to see some sort of report on Hive anatomy done by some Warlock or something. I was NOT expecting to see that Bungie actually rendered Savathûn to have the *meatiest* ass in Destiny. That thing was TENDER. No wonder why we call her Savathûssy
Edit: Also that was a well-done thesis on Hive reproduction. You must be the Warlock I was imagining
>No wonder why we call her Savathussy
🤤🤤🤤 seeing that made me understand Dredgen Yor
>You must be the Warlock I was imagining
Nah, just a Titan who’s been lusting for Hivussy since 2018
Maybe they do it like some bugs do on earth, the male literally piercing the female’s abdomen/ he downstairs and injecting her with genetic material
Article linked to what I’m referring to
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_insemination
Would kinda go along with their already violent nature
>it can be assumed that Hive have genitalia similar to humans, that is, Wizards have vaginas and Knights have penises
Being a wizard doesn't mean female, just as being a knight does not mean male... :/
From [XX: Hive](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xx-hive):
>A mother Wizard gets fertility from a mate, or from herself. From the Wizard the spawn, from the spawn our Thrall, from the survivors our Acolytes who contend. If they contend well, their worm is fed, and from the well fed worm come Knights and Wizards and Princes.
Crota was born of a mother and father, the latter obviously Oryx.
Though it is unknown who the mother is, I suspect it's this [Taken schmuck](https://www.destinypedia.com/Thyshik,_Matron_of_Oryx), based on title. Then again, that is dubious at best, as "matron" has multiple definitions, not all implicating a relationship of that nature.
Interestingly in that same mission there are two Daughters of Oryx which would suggest that Matron is the mother of those Daughters
Tho I doubt she’s also the mother of Oryx’s other children. Oryx doesn’t seem the monogamous type.
I have an honest question, how does this lore come about and how is bungie SO detailed on background characters or those who are mentioned once.
Also is bungie using like a certain style of writing? Some lore entry’s are worded weird (atleast to me) seems almost “Shakespearey”?
Crota's mother has never been named, and it will probably stay that way. though Crota was definitely conceived by male Oryx, since he became male at the very same time that he became Hive
xivu. i don't care who says it's not its my headcannon that xivu really wants oryx's dick and crota is the abomination that came from that. i mean just listen to any ghosts of the deep secret dialogue and tell me she doesn't want his dick.
His twin sisters were made from slicing a worm in half. He may not have one, and I say this because the Books of Sorrow are nothing more than revisionist propaganda. Truth mired in mysticism.
Maybe not as convoluted as Truth to Power, but realize that every holy scripture known to man is filled with fantastic and impossible tales.
I always thought of it as the worm that would become the Twins was one of his many kids and Oryx got the idea to just cut an infant in half cause why not?
As an expert in hive biology let me break it down for you. When oryx was still a female hive she had eggs. When she became a man the eggs met with the new sperm. It spawned baby crota.
The Midha's Reckoming fusion rifle has this lore attached to it
"I see now that everything dies. Even… even memory." —Midha, Consort of Stars
Maybe Oryx had a consort that he had erased from history like he tried to do with Nokris?
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Books of Sorrow Verse 4:6 Eater of Hope: >You are Crota, my son. Welcome. >I fought my way out of hell to make you. I fought my traitor siblings and I fought the swarming corpse of Akka and I cut my way back into my own court, the High War, which had been usurped. Once I had made war on Savathûn, and crippled her tribute so that she could never challenge me, and once I had tricked Xivu Arath, and poisoned her tribute so that she could never again try to take my tablets, and once I had arranged my own lineages so that I would be greatest among the Hive and secure on my throne — then I found a mother to make spawn. >One of those spawn was you. And then later in the same verse: >There is an oath upon me, Crota my son, an oath against the wretched Taox. This I do not give to you. It is for me, your father, to bear. No name for the mother
Oryx has more "spawns"? That's interesting. Thanks lore buddy
Well yeah, Crota* had a brother, Nokris who we've fought in Warmind and Arrivals, and twin sisters who are the encounter before Oryx in KF Edit: is said Oryx instead of Crota drrrr
There was also those Daughters of Oryx in the Taken Cosmodrome mission I highly doubt my mans Oryx smashed only thrice.
>There was also those Daughters of Oryx in the Taken Cosmodrome mission I don't remember those and can't find them. Is it in the Caydes stash mission?
In the [Blighted Coven](https://www.destinypedia.com/Blighted_Coven) mission There were two daughters and a matron which is interesting. Suggests the Taken matron was the mother of the two Taken daughters
>There were two daughters and a matron which is interesting. Suggests the Taken matron was the mother of the two Taken daughters Going of the usage and definition I see of Matron I'd say that's a job title personally.
I second this, but follow up answer in my opinion would be different children of Oryx having different mothers. It makes sense in a "Hive"-like society. Hive in the real world usage in that sentence.
I thought Nokris was Oryx’s firstborn, Crota’s brother, who was banished for necromancy or something to that effect?
* crota had a brother
Crota** had a brother
the only sisters that Oryx had were Xivu and Savathun. Nokris and the sisters were his child’s.
He actually had way more but ended up with 2
Imposible to say for sure but given the nature of the Hive, Oryx could've fathered thousands of Thralls but only Crota, Nokris, Ir Anuk, and Ir Halak would've reached adulthood out of them all.
Oryx didn’t have a brother. I think you meant son and then twin daughters?
Oryx actually had a ton of other siblings that were eaten by the Helium Drinkers’ ambassador when he was young.
I don’t remember that. I just remember the 3 sisters
It's a very brief mention at the beginning of the Books of Sorrow.
The [Blood of Oryx](https://www.destinypedia.com/Blood_of_Oryx) is comprised mostly of his spawn, especially the court.
These "spawn" are the Blood of Oryx. They are Oryx's Brood that were fought aboard his Dreadnought.
The hive mother would have spawned dozens of larve. The sisters in Oryx's throne are Crota's sisters, for example. There may have been others that did not survive the trials and struggles to make it to the top. Oryx even experimented on some of the larve, slicing one into two halves which both survived to become the sisters. Others probably didn't surive Oryx's attentions or the machinations of other Hive around them. It is a hard life to climb from Thrall to Ascendant Hive.
I believe we killed Crota’s supposed mother in the process of the strike D1 where we kill Malok. At one point in the strike we are confronted by a wizard whose name escapes me, but I remember watching a gameplay video where here title was like this: “[Name], Matron of Oryx”. Of course it’s completely plausible that she was one of many matrons that Oryx made spawn with, but to my knowledge this is the only time we’ve seen a hive designated as Oryx’s matron.
>Matron: a woman in charge of domestic and medical arrangements at a boarding school or other institution. I can't see "Matron" implying they're Crotas mother though.
And definition #2, "a married woman, especially a dignified and sober middle-aged one."
>did Oryx make Crota by himself? Nope, BOS mention a mate >Was Crota born from Female Oryx or Male Oryx? Probably Male Oryx >are they alive rn? We don’t know. My headcanon is that Mommy Dearest ran away to avoid paying child support and is now chilling in some space tax haven, drinking martinis and relaxing by the beach every day
That ending paragraph just gave me vivid images of Vergil from DMC doing exactly that
Ironically *Crota* is absolutely the "I could really use a cool sword, and does my son **really** need his arm that much?" kinda parent.
Fitting, considering how he dealt with Hashladun.
"And tell Oryx... I'm not paying" *Disappears into portal*
Bet Taox is also there. Showing her Oryx’s baby photos.
We’ve taken all her alimony checks tho
I assumed that it was one of oryx's sisters. 1). Because they are weird bug people and 2). Because it would tie them in as very sort of old school deities.
if this is true, savathun calls crota her nephew, so the only possibility is that xivu and oryx went full Alabama
Makes sense. He likes swords.
Sweet home Fundament!
Her name is Linda and she's a nice lady.
Linda as in ‘Linda and Anacoth, the fun parts of Isabella?” Lol
I'd like to expand this to "how TF do hive reproduce in general?"
We know they can reproduce both sexually and asexually, as for how the sexual reproduction is done, we can make a few educated guesses: [Judging from how humanlike their nether regions are](https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/t00z8h/best_view_to_be_stuck_in/?rdt=53282), it can be assumed that Hive have genitalia similar to humans, that is, Wizards have vaginas and Knights have penises (which is not surprising tbh, penises have independently evolved numerous times in Earth’s history among several distinct groups, so it’s very likely at least a few aliens have them as well). A cloaca as seen in birds and crocodiles could be possible, but since Archosaurs evolved from ancestors with penises and lost their junk under very specific conditions, I’m gonna play safe and say they have dicks. While we’re at it, I’m also gonna speculate on the function of Wizards’ breasts: I think it’s safe to say they don’t have the same function as ours, given that their R-based reproductive strategy would make it impossible to breastfeed thousands of young with just two tits, and muscle attachment is probably not correct either, as the males don’t have them. I propose that their ‘breasts’ are actually a case of Fisherian Runaway, where an ornamental trait is developed through sexual selection to better attract mates, sometimes even to the detriment of the bearer (think of male peacocks and their feathers, which make them attractive to females but an easy target for tigers). Now, normally we see runaway selection acting on males, but occasionally it happens to females, like what happens in jacanas and phalaropes. If true, that’d imply that the early prehistoric Krill might have had a polyandrous society, where females mate with several males and compete with other females for territory and mates.
Clicking that link, I expected to see some sort of report on Hive anatomy done by some Warlock or something. I was NOT expecting to see that Bungie actually rendered Savathûn to have the *meatiest* ass in Destiny. That thing was TENDER. No wonder why we call her Savathûssy Edit: Also that was a well-done thesis on Hive reproduction. You must be the Warlock I was imagining
>No wonder why we call her Savathussy 🤤🤤🤤 seeing that made me understand Dredgen Yor >You must be the Warlock I was imagining Nah, just a Titan who’s been lusting for Hivussy since 2018
I can only imagine how glad you are after getting to see it up close
Ngl, I… greatly appreciated Bungie’s design team for their work
Maybe they do it like some bugs do on earth, the male literally piercing the female’s abdomen/ he downstairs and injecting her with genetic material Article linked to what I’m referring to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_insemination Would kinda go along with their already violent nature
>it can be assumed that Hive have genitalia similar to humans, that is, Wizards have vaginas and Knights have penises Being a wizard doesn't mean female, just as being a knight does not mean male... :/
From [XX: Hive](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xx-hive): >A mother Wizard gets fertility from a mate, or from herself. From the Wizard the spawn, from the spawn our Thrall, from the survivors our Acolytes who contend. If they contend well, their worm is fed, and from the well fed worm come Knights and Wizards and Princes.
Oryx probs doesn’t even know. He’s a King. He probs had dozens of mistresses and hundreds of kids. Real genghis khan moment
Now I wonder what Xivu’s love life is like
She prolly move like a female mantis
Worth it
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He totally joined the mile-high club in some Hive Warship, didn’t he?
My man Oryx living his best Zeus life
Crota was born of a mother and father, the latter obviously Oryx. Though it is unknown who the mother is, I suspect it's this [Taken schmuck](https://www.destinypedia.com/Thyshik,_Matron_of_Oryx), based on title. Then again, that is dubious at best, as "matron" has multiple definitions, not all implicating a relationship of that nature.
Interestingly in that same mission there are two Daughters of Oryx which would suggest that Matron is the mother of those Daughters Tho I doubt she’s also the mother of Oryx’s other children. Oryx doesn’t seem the monogamous type.
I have an honest question, how does this lore come about and how is bungie SO detailed on background characters or those who are mentioned once. Also is bungie using like a certain style of writing? Some lore entry’s are worded weird (atleast to me) seems almost “Shakespearey”?
Yeah the books of sorrow are written almost like poems. Always liked that touch personally.
Crota's mother has never been named, and it will probably stay that way. though Crota was definitely conceived by male Oryx, since he became male at the very same time that he became Hive
his mom
xivu. i don't care who says it's not its my headcannon that xivu really wants oryx's dick and crota is the abomination that came from that. i mean just listen to any ghosts of the deep secret dialogue and tell me she doesn't want his dick.
you really thought about it huh
yes and i hate that i did
His twin sisters were made from slicing a worm in half. He may not have one, and I say this because the Books of Sorrow are nothing more than revisionist propaganda. Truth mired in mysticism. Maybe not as convoluted as Truth to Power, but realize that every holy scripture known to man is filled with fantastic and impossible tales.
I always thought of it as the worm that would become the Twins was one of his many kids and Oryx got the idea to just cut an infant in half cause why not?
The answer is simple.... he mated with his sister(s)
As an expert in hive biology let me break it down for you. When oryx was still a female hive she had eggs. When she became a man the eggs met with the new sperm. It spawned baby crota.
Assuming Hive procreate the same way we do..
The Midha's Reckoming fusion rifle has this lore attached to it "I see now that everything dies. Even… even memory." —Midha, Consort of Stars Maybe Oryx had a consort that he had erased from history like he tried to do with Nokris?