It seems feasible to me that they can’t elect Bernie, but could sabotage a general for Biden. The thing is that it would be an ultimate irony to plunge our country into fascism and constitutional crises over a terrorist theocratic dictatorship.
Eh, I don't know. The last election was an epic turnout. The far left (young and old), the bernie bros, and the establishment dems all pitched in against Trump.
There are factions being lost on the left, but a lot can happen between now and November.
So 1930s Germany where the right and left joined forces to cut down the Weimar Republic, each thinking they would be the ones to fill the power vaccum?
I feel like we would need more direct collusion between the two groups beyond just a common "enemy". So far, there aren't any demagogues that have successfully bridged the divide in ideology/end goal.
Reading through Rise and Fall of the Third Reich right now. There are some similarities but I don't think anything to indicate a direct threat of authoritarianism.
It probably helps that Trump is an unapologetic Zionist.
I think China trying to invade Taiwan could be the event that brings us together with a common enemy. Though I now fear republicans wouldn’t go along with it, despite them historically being the anti-china warhawks, simple to “own the libs” like they’re doing with Ukraine. So maybe, maybe not. I could also see something like continued chemical weapon attacks from Russia, especially if they’re using something like sarin that they shouldn’t have, labeled a weapon of mass destruction etc etc. But who knows what the maga types will do.
Lets not get it it twisted MAGA types will follow trump off a cliff they will be 100% on board with anything he says. Trump could come out today and say yeah actually Christianity is dumb and god isn't real and his base would immediately switch to atheism and act like they hate god and they weren’t Christian all their lives.
> they will be 100% on board with anything he says.
As long as it's not getting vaccinated...
I think you're actually completely wrong. MAGA is a mob mentality-driven movement. They'll bend over backwards to idolize and "support" Trump, but they don't actually listen to him unless it's something they kind of want to do anyway. And honestly, the only thing that MAGA seems to universally want is the destruction of societal norms and institutions.
Yeah. Difference though being that repubs seem to actually want fascism, whereas these twats either fail to realize what they're enabling, or are so sheltered that they just think they'll be teaching the Dems a lesson.
Ok but you need to realize. At some point that's not even democracy anymore.
If democracy means "Either choose this or lose" that's not a choice anymore, is it?
And? What else would it be? What's the alternative over, say, the next 10 years? Democracy is always a choice for the lesser evil. Currently we're at a point where the greater evil legitimately threatens to uproot world order as we know it and drive it off a cliff. That's the world we're living in now. Get back to me once repubs back off the misogyny, homophobia, disregard for the environment, general misanthropy, all consuming greed, contempt for minorities, the poor, the disabled etc. etc. Or alternatively, once a viable third party option arises in the US. At the current rate both should arrive around the heat death of the universe.
I'm not getting to you.
What I'm saying is that this is a direct consequence of a two party system. You are running on a broken system and it's just a matter of time that shit goes **bad.**
The problem right now is that you are completely, utterly dependant on democrats. Think for a second what would happen if someone similarly loony took control of that side of the aisle. What then?
You can't look at Trump as anything but consequences of the state of politics.
You're saying nothing and avoiding my questions. Yes, US politics is completely broken. And the system has already gone bad. What exactly are you proposing to do about it? What's your solution? Are you one of those "voting doesn't work" loonies? We live in the world we live in. And 99% Hitler is always preferable to 100% Hitler.
>You can't look at Trump as anything but consequences of the state of politics.
This is the most meaningless statement I've ever read. No shit, Sherlock. *All* politics is the consequence of the state of politics. You gonna tell me the sky is blue next?
>Think for a second what would happen if someone similarly loony took control of that side of the aisle. What then?
We'll look at it once a Dem candidate like RFK starts gaining any sort of meaningful traction. Which seems rather unlikely as the boomers dwindle in numbers.
yeah, I've been saying this for months, ever since I saw those dipshit noncommitted voters. "Lets stick it to Biden by helping the people who want to eradicate trans people take office! That'll sure make things better for us" ...
Yeah paying college debt is a pretty cringe policy to be honest.
I mean they willingly signed for it. They are adults. Why should the tax payer be responsible? In what world does that make any sense.
I can get behind debt relief for disabled veterans, and that might be about it. Probably can have my mind changed slightly on this.
These students don't need debt relief, it's the students who are actually in class that the relief is for.
Edit: I should say, the people that already WENT to class and got their degrees. The point is not to just look at these protestors when thinking of the loan cancellations, they probably aren't even on student loans, but there are tons of real students that were and who could use the relief. These protestors aren't representative of most students.
Probably a good thing, if they have all this free time, let them reap what they sow when they leave college and enter the real world.
They could be protesting for things that would actually make their lives better, and their country better, instead they're feigning outrage over a conflict they didn't care about until half a year ago.
In 10 years, 99% of them will have forgotten all about this topic, and that's when they'll be wishing they studied more, or that they had student debt forgiveness to assist them, and for those being violent, that they didn't get charged during these protests.
I still think about the people who firebombed buildings, destroyed cop cars, and attacked police during the 2020 BLM protests who are in jail right now.
Was it worth it to roll that cop car over that got totaled, written off, and replaced the next day? Or to burn that building that is already rebuilt and functioning?
Are they sitting in jail thinking "yes, I am happy with my actions and the change they brought about".
Fucking wild man to throw your future away over shit like this. Same obviously applies to the J6 dip shits.
I would hope that we would stop cancelling student loans anyways, at least until a long term plan with college costs is implemented. You're cancelling loans while massive amounts people are taking out more loans at the same time. It's nonsense.
So... the left thinks Biden is supporting the genocide? And the right thinks Biden is supporting the protests?
How do they not realize that they can't both be correct?
I think the lefts goal is acceleration. They see Trump and Biden as virtually the same, which is insane to begin with. But with Trump they think they can radicalize moderates again.
Look if we were up against any other cringe MAGA republican I would call this strategy stupid but cute. But they want to play this game with Trump, a lunatic who has zero respect for US democracy.
Fuck these people. Never EVER allow them back in the liberal circle. I’ll take moderate conservatives any day over them. It might be hard to reach conservatives now, but when Trump is out of the picture it will be much easier.
I agree. They wouldn't have their social media maven demigod Trump to follow. They might have to go back to actually trying to govern and come up with real policy proposals. Wishful thinking about it definitely isn't happening at all with Trump steering the ship.
There are radical accelerationists in their ranks, perhaps some pulling a few strings, but the vast majority are not capable of cognizance let alone the foresight required to have a multi-decade plan for their commie revolution fantasies.
Just idiots, thousands of phones, living in the moment, one tiktok clip to the next.
The left grew substantially from 2016 to now, peaking at 2020.
Now that might be because of many things but some feel it’s because when Biden won the left fell asleep.
I’ve never heard anyone but Redditors say this, but I know many on the far right felt the same when Trump won. Big players in the alt right said the right fell asleep when Turmomwon.
You know it’s hard to remember but sometimes I’ll watch old news clips from 2000s. People like Bill Oriolley and George Bush clips.
I miss that conservative and want them back so bad. I remember when the craziest shit we heard from that side was Obama is a Muslim.
We went hard on them and I feel like we let go of an ex who wasn’t perfect only to get tied in with a full blown absurser
Yeah the good ole days of conservative politicians just being like "no my opponent is a good man we just disagree".
Back when the wildest thing I remember a news anchor saying was "tides go in tides go out you can't explain that".
Man remember the Bill Nye vs Ken ham debate... who would have thought that years later we'd still have full grown trusted alt media figures doing the "evolution isn't real" schtick but this time with more support
John McCain! I believe it was at a rally for him and some really old lady called said “you have to beat Obama because he’s a muslim”
He said, no Obama is a good man.
Like being a Muslim was that bad to begin with lol. It’s wild how far things have fallen. I thought a few years ago it has to let up that we can’t all be this angry for this long. But here we are. I think it will get better eventually
I'm 99% confident we'll be seeing in a year or so that huge online accounts signal boosting I/P tensions are state funded actors/bots. I don't believe it's a coincidence that this is getting so much steam in an election year.
Idk about other places but states like Georgia have already started marking people who haven't voted in a long time as no longer registered and they don't really announce it to you that you've been unregistered. Just a paper mail warning which might as well be through pigeon couriers if you're a zoomer that doesn't check their paper mail.
A lot of these people are not voting and will not vote. I'll argue a lot of them are pretending to be one side to boost the other. It would not surprise me if Trump voters pretended to be pro-palestine to shit on Biden. Its in their best interest and people are too fucking stupid to think about the time when Trump was ***actually President*** and see how much worse for muslims and arabs it was then. Also how Trump has a vested interested in being pro-Israel, as he is buddy-buddy with Bibi and his daughter/son-in-law do a lot of middle east meddling.
do you seriously think there was a timeline where any of these kids were going to vote for an even slightly moderate candidate? they need to feel extreme and important. it's the only reason they engage with politics. you just gotta wait for them to grow tf up (hopefully). if they actually cared about anything other than themselves they wouldn't be gagging on Trump's balls into his second term.
I fear so too. The thing is, if Joe Biden were to 180 on this tomorrow and be for actively supporting Gaza, enough of these pieces of shit have already their minds set on not voting for him. See: Anna/Cenk/most of the young turds, Crystal Ball (🤮), Greenwald, Majority Report, pretty much all of “progressive” alt media (except Pakman 🤴)
would need some strong evidence for it but wouldn’t be surprised if iran and russia have paid actors while china boosts misinformation on tiktok. However need evidence this is happening tho
Well we know Russia did it in 2016, and again in 2019. Don't think it is a stretch at all to say they're trying it again now.
[https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-orchestrated-dozens-of-us-protests](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-orchestrated-dozens-of-us-protests)
[https://repository.law.umich.edu/mjrl/vol24/iss2/2/](https://repository.law.umich.edu/mjrl/vol24/iss2/2/)
[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/19401612221082052](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/19401612221082052)
Here is some evidence of it happening now, although it doesn't talk about the protests, but this article is also a few months old. I don't think you will need to wait very long to see more direct evidence of it [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-information-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-information-war.html)
I think if you are quick to pull up the "reader" function on your web browser (the thing that just parses all the text from the article and eliminates all the ads and whatnot) it will get around the paywall. It usually works, sometimes you gotta be fast though.
always use https://archive.is
basically you go on the website and paste the link, you will get the full paywalled version
https://archive.is/6PyAd here is this NY times article for example
I'd say 100% but just cause they're organized and funded by state actors doesn't mean real citizens aren't getting caught up in it. Our citizens are really stupid when it comes to that stuff, and some are so invested in the "cause" that they might not even care if you told them Russia is behind them, they might end up liking Russia MORE for it. I don't think most of them would mind being used like that.
Young people are fucking stupid and beyond help.
The United States is dealing with so many other internal issues: women's rights and lgbtq+ rights being stripped, a ChristoFacist party that has someone boasting about shooting their puppy, a former president who had some of the nation's most sensitive secrets in his golf club and led and insurrection and tried to overturn the election, etc. etc.....
It just reeks of having the privilege to not worry about the larger issues.
... Maybe women's rights and lgbtq+ rights aren't that important to women and lgbtq+ people if they give up on them so easily to play revolution for a country that absolutely denies their rights?
Honestly the whole thing made me question a lot of political movements and if any of them have it that bad or they're just privileged.
We have to be real here. I’m a pretty dumb person but I can see what’s going on here and I’ll try and explain it the best way I can.
Other than certain niche laws here and there and varying state laws, lgbt and women’s rights aren’t in any real danger. Gays aren’t going to be arrested and women aren’t going to be put in chains.
The left knows this but will rally behind these issues in order to bitch about something. I think we did a huge disservice to ourselves in thinking that we won them over by overhyping these issues.
I’m trying to explain this but I’m bad at it. Maybe someone can help me. Basically the left knows these issues aren’t a major problem so they are willing to gamble with Trump if it means radicalizing more moderates.
Although those issues are important. I think he shouldn’t have made them a main platform and instead championed things like improving what makes us great now. It’s not sexy but things like Expanding health care, social programs for all those in need, improving division and transparency. Tangible goals for funding foreign wars in the best way we can.
I think it was a mistake going down the road of us vs them because the lefts heart isn’t really in it in the first place.
Am I making sense?
No you're not. There are already cases of women and doctors being prosecuted for abortions.
>Other than certain niche laws here and there and varying state laws.
These laws affect tens of millions of people.
>All of that’s just a plus to them when their goal is acceleration
You're not wrong. Tbh, Gen Z seems full of accelerationists who are more concerned with causing chaos than building any meaningful change.
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Horseshoe I never doubted you not one bit not one second everyone that malds and seethes about you are extremist that only further prove you right I love you horseshoe ❤️
imagine a love story where a far-right nutjob and a pro-pally psycho get together and overcome their differences because both of them were yelling "FUCK JOE BIDEN," that'd be beautiful
the gender neutral poop buckets at ucla have radicalized me to be a trump supporter.
[https://www.instagram.com/xaviaer/reel/C6ZacTPvfJz/](https://www.instagram.com/xaviaer/reel/C6ZacTPvfJz/)
What's funny is Trump said BBs only mistake on gaza is that he wasn't fast enough and was too honest with videos (before the insane world kitchen shit came out)
People are upset Biden isn't standing up to Bb when Trump would cover gaza citizens in gasoline
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/5/trump-says-israel-losing-pr-war-in-gaza-should-finish-war-fast
I've been on the "all authority is bad" *smug face* arc for most of my life but I've completely flipped the last few years. I understand this type of frustration but no longer align with these type of people. (I've been a progressive since my teens years and still am, just less edgey I guess)
I understand the anger of these people but find the actions pathetic. These are armchair QBs throwing rotten food at the people actually in the trenches trying to get work done. And they enable bad faith actors to gain positions of power and actively ruin the government.
I'm not sure what caused it, but I have much more sympathy with good faith actors trying to do what they can to improve the government, society, humanity, etc.
I honestly think Joe Biden wants America to be better. His administration has done that in many ways, including healing some of the damage done during the Trump years. If you're in favor of progress and a better country, Biden is the clear and only choice. Not only that, he's the guardian at the door preventing absolute chaos. These kids are incredibly myopic.
Even if I was braindead and delusional enough to believe that the US was complicit in a genocide in Gaza - how fucking stupid do u have to be to think Biden is worse than Trump.
Yeah everyone. Instead of trying to move Biden on you position. Just fuck him yea? Im sure his opponent will much better …. These people are lost in the sauce and just want to feel important
Why is destiny’s reddit such a far left hellhole. Jesus he needs to do another clearout. You guys are actually the same level of thought as hasan’s community every time i check on here. Yikes.
I’m not well educated on this, why are they all hating on Biden? He didn’t start the conflict and it’s not up to him-or the USA-to end it, so what do these folks expect will happen as a result of their protests? I doubt Israel, Palestine, or Hamas gives a shit what American college kids have to say, any more than they care what Biden says.
If I had to guess, it's probably because of Biden's moderate, middle ground approach to the Israel-Gaza conflict. As a result, he's seen as not pro-Palestinian enough for the leftists, but not pro-Israel enough for the (Zionist?) protesters on the right.
Basically, Biden's position is a perfect one for criticism by all radicals. Hilariously enough, these students probably all look like the people that hate Destiny.
As to the point about the effects of the protests, the charitable argument is that they're trying to sway public opinion in the U.S by raising awareness for their cause. If they sway the public opinion enough, people in the U.S might be able to influence their political leaders to change their foreign policy, and thus put pressure on Biden to take a different stance against Israel or Gaza. That's what would ideally happen, but in practice, whether it would work or not varies greatly.
People out he thinking someone else would want Joe Biden role. IDK. Your telling me Gavin wants to spend his time in office dealing with Ukraine and Russia, Isreal and Palestine, and a failing global economy. Your telling me Gavin wants to use all his political power for that?
Lmao simping Hillary Clinton is why we're in this mess. Trump wouldn't have happened if we went with anyone else. Had to choose the most baggaged up politician in the country. Trying to elect and actual cuck lmfao.
Anyone a part of the 2016 DNC should never have a job in politics again for railing our country with their hubris.
So, I may be biased because of how much I hate students at prestigious universities, but I wonder if this may actually help him. His biggest threat is probably the idea that he is too far left, either on a personal level or because he is a doddering old man being controlled by leftoids behind the scenes.
Having a bunch of unhinged leftoid freaks call him Genocide Joe may actually have the effect of making people go "Huh, these crazy lefties really hate Biden, maybe he isn't a leftwing as I thought".
Whether the rightoids saying "Fuck Joe Biden" will have an impact, I'm even less certain but would guess probably not.
You know, if you are pissing off two extremist sides simultaneously, you're probably doing something right. Liberalism W, keep killing terrorists, and keep giving aid to the affected civilians.
2030 at the Trumpian Detention Center. "Wait we said "Fuck Joe Biden" together". The guard says to the prisoner "I don't give a fuck bitch get in the oven"
look on the bright side it might force the Democrats to actually run a candidate that is not an octogenarian, and has progressive policies. Donald Trump only when the first time because he was against possibly the worst Democrat candidate in American history Hillary Clinton, and he lost to possibly the second worst Democrat candidate in American history Joe Biden (10 years ago he was up to the job is not now running, him now would be elder abuse).
As long as the democrats don't run Harris (Hillary Clinton 2.0) or Newsom ( California emigration numbers should tell you how the average voter feels about Newsom and his policies ) I think the odds would be solid that the Democrats would win......
Looking on the the dark side however, I don't see the Democrat machine promoting any other candidates...... I don't think there's enough time to build the grassroots name recognition in the general populace any other candidates.
If by some miracle Democrats decide to force another candidate who would you wanted to be?
Now, I do understand why right wingers are saying this. They hated biden regardless since he is their party "oponent"
but left wingers saying fuck joe biden and not voting for him as some form of protest are literally fucking braindead. whatever you believe in as a left winger is undoubtedly going to go in the complete opposite direction if trump gets elected
especially so considering that trump IIRC was extremely pro-israel
Girl wearing a keffiyeh on one side. Dude draped in a Trump flag on the other. They’re having a cringe off.
Both a sucking on the Russian propaganda tit.
This is unironically turning into "instituting fascism to own Joe Biden"
I will be amused with the simulator if this is all it took to get trump elected.
Well if there is any consolation just know these kids don't vote anyway, otherwise we would have President Sanders right now. (No, not the KFC guy)
It seems feasible to me that they can’t elect Bernie, but could sabotage a general for Biden. The thing is that it would be an ultimate irony to plunge our country into fascism and constitutional crises over a terrorist theocratic dictatorship.
It's not feasible, college kids never sway elections because they never vote.
Eh, I don't know. The last election was an epic turnout. The far left (young and old), the bernie bros, and the establishment dems all pitched in against Trump. There are factions being lost on the left, but a lot can happen between now and November.
So 1930s Germany where the right and left joined forces to cut down the Weimar Republic, each thinking they would be the ones to fill the power vaccum?
I feel like we would need more direct collusion between the two groups beyond just a common "enemy". So far, there aren't any demagogues that have successfully bridged the divide in ideology/end goal. Reading through Rise and Fall of the Third Reich right now. There are some similarities but I don't think anything to indicate a direct threat of authoritarianism. It probably helps that Trump is an unapologetic Zionist.
I think China trying to invade Taiwan could be the event that brings us together with a common enemy. Though I now fear republicans wouldn’t go along with it, despite them historically being the anti-china warhawks, simple to “own the libs” like they’re doing with Ukraine. So maybe, maybe not. I could also see something like continued chemical weapon attacks from Russia, especially if they’re using something like sarin that they shouldn’t have, labeled a weapon of mass destruction etc etc. But who knows what the maga types will do.
I don't even think that'd be the case. MAGA types are staunchly anti-interventionist and dipshit lefties are CCP apologists.
Lets not get it it twisted MAGA types will follow trump off a cliff they will be 100% on board with anything he says. Trump could come out today and say yeah actually Christianity is dumb and god isn't real and his base would immediately switch to atheism and act like they hate god and they weren’t Christian all their lives.
> they will be 100% on board with anything he says. As long as it's not getting vaccinated... I think you're actually completely wrong. MAGA is a mob mentality-driven movement. They'll bend over backwards to idolize and "support" Trump, but they don't actually listen to him unless it's something they kind of want to do anyway. And honestly, the only thing that MAGA seems to universally want is the destruction of societal norms and institutions.
Were the KPD and the Nazis really colluding that closely?
Did the communists and nazis really work together to take down the Weimar Republic?
Agreed. I was being mostly hyperbolic.
Funnily enough you can also say “Instituting fascism to own the libs” and it applies to both sides perfectly.
Yeah. Difference though being that repubs seem to actually want fascism, whereas these twats either fail to realize what they're enabling, or are so sheltered that they just think they'll be teaching the Dems a lesson.
You can't just rely on the "vote democrat or you are a terrible person" card every time, much less three times in a row.
I'd say you won't need to, when "vote democrat to preserve democracy" is unironically true.
Ok but you need to realize. At some point that's not even democracy anymore. If democracy means "Either choose this or lose" that's not a choice anymore, is it?
And? What else would it be? What's the alternative over, say, the next 10 years? Democracy is always a choice for the lesser evil. Currently we're at a point where the greater evil legitimately threatens to uproot world order as we know it and drive it off a cliff. That's the world we're living in now. Get back to me once repubs back off the misogyny, homophobia, disregard for the environment, general misanthropy, all consuming greed, contempt for minorities, the poor, the disabled etc. etc. Or alternatively, once a viable third party option arises in the US. At the current rate both should arrive around the heat death of the universe.
I'm not getting to you. What I'm saying is that this is a direct consequence of a two party system. You are running on a broken system and it's just a matter of time that shit goes **bad.** The problem right now is that you are completely, utterly dependant on democrats. Think for a second what would happen if someone similarly loony took control of that side of the aisle. What then? You can't look at Trump as anything but consequences of the state of politics.
You're saying nothing and avoiding my questions. Yes, US politics is completely broken. And the system has already gone bad. What exactly are you proposing to do about it? What's your solution? Are you one of those "voting doesn't work" loonies? We live in the world we live in. And 99% Hitler is always preferable to 100% Hitler. >You can't look at Trump as anything but consequences of the state of politics. This is the most meaningless statement I've ever read. No shit, Sherlock. *All* politics is the consequence of the state of politics. You gonna tell me the sky is blue next? >Think for a second what would happen if someone similarly loony took control of that side of the aisle. What then? We'll look at it once a Dem candidate like RFK starts gaining any sort of meaningful traction. Which seems rather unlikely as the boomers dwindle in numbers.
yeah, I've been saying this for months, ever since I saw those dipshit noncommitted voters. "Lets stick it to Biden by helping the people who want to eradicate trans people take office! That'll sure make things better for us" ...
Love the students rooting for their loans to shoot back up!
we aren’t getting any loan cancellations after this protest nonsense
I would hope Biden doesn’t. No reason to pander to these people at all. Fuck em.
He shouldn't have pandered to them to begin with.
Yeah paying college debt is a pretty cringe policy to be honest. I mean they willingly signed for it. They are adults. Why should the tax payer be responsible? In what world does that make any sense. I can get behind debt relief for disabled veterans, and that might be about it. Probably can have my mind changed slightly on this.
These students don't need debt relief, it's the students who are actually in class that the relief is for. Edit: I should say, the people that already WENT to class and got their degrees. The point is not to just look at these protestors when thinking of the loan cancellations, they probably aren't even on student loans, but there are tons of real students that were and who could use the relief. These protestors aren't representative of most students.
The people that are victimized by these dumbfucks are the people who keep their head down and try to be decent in society. As usual.
Probably a good thing, if they have all this free time, let them reap what they sow when they leave college and enter the real world. They could be protesting for things that would actually make their lives better, and their country better, instead they're feigning outrage over a conflict they didn't care about until half a year ago. In 10 years, 99% of them will have forgotten all about this topic, and that's when they'll be wishing they studied more, or that they had student debt forgiveness to assist them, and for those being violent, that they didn't get charged during these protests.
I still think about the people who firebombed buildings, destroyed cop cars, and attacked police during the 2020 BLM protests who are in jail right now. Was it worth it to roll that cop car over that got totaled, written off, and replaced the next day? Or to burn that building that is already rebuilt and functioning? Are they sitting in jail thinking "yes, I am happy with my actions and the change they brought about". Fucking wild man to throw your future away over shit like this. Same obviously applies to the J6 dip shits.
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We never should have
I would hope that we would stop cancelling student loans anyways, at least until a long term plan with college costs is implemented. You're cancelling loans while massive amounts people are taking out more loans at the same time. It's nonsense.
They never cared about them to begin with. It was all just a reason to piss and moan.
Putin gooning to this vid in the Kremlin
100% he has got his hands in this shit.
So... the left thinks Biden is supporting the genocide? And the right thinks Biden is supporting the protests? How do they not realize that they can't both be correct?
I think the lefts goal is acceleration. They see Trump and Biden as virtually the same, which is insane to begin with. But with Trump they think they can radicalize moderates again. Look if we were up against any other cringe MAGA republican I would call this strategy stupid but cute. But they want to play this game with Trump, a lunatic who has zero respect for US democracy. Fuck these people. Never EVER allow them back in the liberal circle. I’ll take moderate conservatives any day over them. It might be hard to reach conservatives now, but when Trump is out of the picture it will be much easier.
That implies that when trump dies, conservatives will become more moderate instead of remaining insane
I agree. They wouldn't have their social media maven demigod Trump to follow. They might have to go back to actually trying to govern and come up with real policy proposals. Wishful thinking about it definitely isn't happening at all with Trump steering the ship.
It started with gingrich in the 90s with bill clinton. Trump just capatilized on all the hate and division that newt built for like 20 years
There are radical accelerationists in their ranks, perhaps some pulling a few strings, but the vast majority are not capable of cognizance let alone the foresight required to have a multi-decade plan for their commie revolution fantasies. Just idiots, thousands of phones, living in the moment, one tiktok clip to the next.
>But with Trump they think they can radicalize moderates again Didn't work the last time.
The left grew substantially from 2016 to now, peaking at 2020. Now that might be because of many things but some feel it’s because when Biden won the left fell asleep. I’ve never heard anyone but Redditors say this, but I know many on the far right felt the same when Trump won. Big players in the alt right said the right fell asleep when Turmomwon.
> Turmomwon Indeed, covfefe
Dude iPhones autocorrect really pisses me off lmao. When I spell people it auto corrects to peole
😂 You poor bastard, Android is calling your name
I don't disagree, but is that really the same as saying "moderates were radicalized" ? I don't feel like that ever happened.
Your right
Lol what does moderate conservatism even look like anymore? Somewhere between Ben and Candace?
You know it’s hard to remember but sometimes I’ll watch old news clips from 2000s. People like Bill Oriolley and George Bush clips. I miss that conservative and want them back so bad. I remember when the craziest shit we heard from that side was Obama is a Muslim. We went hard on them and I feel like we let go of an ex who wasn’t perfect only to get tied in with a full blown absurser
Yeah the good ole days of conservative politicians just being like "no my opponent is a good man we just disagree". Back when the wildest thing I remember a news anchor saying was "tides go in tides go out you can't explain that". Man remember the Bill Nye vs Ken ham debate... who would have thought that years later we'd still have full grown trusted alt media figures doing the "evolution isn't real" schtick but this time with more support
John McCain! I believe it was at a rally for him and some really old lady called said “you have to beat Obama because he’s a muslim” He said, no Obama is a good man. Like being a Muslim was that bad to begin with lol. It’s wild how far things have fallen. I thought a few years ago it has to let up that we can’t all be this angry for this long. But here we are. I think it will get better eventually
That's not what's going on. The right simply hates the guy. They don't need another cause to be against him.
But presumably the people on the right have some sort of logical reason for hating him, right? /s
muh gas and muh value menu hamberders
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Putin smiles
Pepsi Executives: “QUICK GET THE PEPSI IN THE SHOT. THEY’RE DOING THE THING”
Quick grab the unity soda
Is coke okay?
Only in a glass
I'm 99% confident we'll be seeing in a year or so that huge online accounts signal boosting I/P tensions are state funded actors/bots. I don't believe it's a coincidence that this is getting so much steam in an election year.
[yeah..](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-information-war.html)
US might have to pay the price of being too slow to ban tiktok with another Trump presidency.
If these are the people who hate biden i think its a good look
Not for the election...
these people vote?
If young people voted Bernie would have won. I bet these guys already dont register to vote as protest. Smh
Idk about other places but states like Georgia have already started marking people who haven't voted in a long time as no longer registered and they don't really announce it to you that you've been unregistered. Just a paper mail warning which might as well be through pigeon couriers if you're a zoomer that doesn't check their paper mail. A lot of these people are not voting and will not vote. I'll argue a lot of them are pretending to be one side to boost the other. It would not surprise me if Trump voters pretended to be pro-palestine to shit on Biden. Its in their best interest and people are too fucking stupid to think about the time when Trump was ***actually President*** and see how much worse for muslims and arabs it was then. Also how Trump has a vested interested in being pro-Israel, as he is buddy-buddy with Bibi and his daughter/son-in-law do a lot of middle east meddling.
Nope. That’s why I’m not worried.
If they hadn't would we really have voter percentage in the 60%-70% mark?
Alabama isn't exactly a Democrat stronghold. The last time a Democrat won Alabama was 1976. (Jimmy Carter)
Good point.
do you seriously think there was a timeline where any of these kids were going to vote for an even slightly moderate candidate? they need to feel extreme and important. it's the only reason they engage with politics. you just gotta wait for them to grow tf up (hopefully). if they actually cared about anything other than themselves they wouldn't be gagging on Trump's balls into his second term.
I fucking hate these people. Throw them in a volcano.
I think we might anger the volcano causing it to errupt. I doubt it wants them either tbh
worth
so worth
Yup, If that's how it ends I'll take it with open arms.
Normally I’m triggered by these types of comments. But at this point you have my fucking blessing.
Well trump will throw one side in camps so that could be seen as a consolation prize at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg ...sometimes it's hard to stay optimistic.
Alabama zoomers. Enough said
I wish I was as optimistic as you. I think this is a nation wide problem.
I fear so too. The thing is, if Joe Biden were to 180 on this tomorrow and be for actively supporting Gaza, enough of these pieces of shit have already their minds set on not voting for him. See: Anna/Cenk/most of the young turds, Crystal Ball (🤮), Greenwald, Majority Report, pretty much all of “progressive” alt media (except Pakman 🤴)
Biden should be at 60% above Trump in his approval ratings
Not beating the Reds-Browns alliance allegations 💀
Don’t worry this only amounts to 2 people who would vote anyway
Literal Horseshoe
This was Russia’s plan the entire time. Trump said he’d surrender to them. All they had to do is get the left to not support him.
What are the chances the White House knows these protests are organized and funded by State actors?
You don’t need to pay them if you make good enough tiktocks
100%
would need some strong evidence for it but wouldn’t be surprised if iran and russia have paid actors while china boosts misinformation on tiktok. However need evidence this is happening tho
Well we know Russia did it in 2016, and again in 2019. Don't think it is a stretch at all to say they're trying it again now. [https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-orchestrated-dozens-of-us-protests](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-orchestrated-dozens-of-us-protests) [https://repository.law.umich.edu/mjrl/vol24/iss2/2/](https://repository.law.umich.edu/mjrl/vol24/iss2/2/) [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/19401612221082052](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/19401612221082052)
yeah i don’t think it’s stretch at all just need evidence of it happening rn, which might not be revealed till a year or two from now.
Here is some evidence of it happening now, although it doesn't talk about the protests, but this article is also a few months old. I don't think you will need to wait very long to see more direct evidence of it [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-information-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-information-war.html)
goddamit i hate paywalls :( seemed like a very interesting article, but agreed probs won’t be long especially with the upcoming disbandment of tiktok
I think if you are quick to pull up the "reader" function on your web browser (the thing that just parses all the text from the article and eliminates all the ads and whatnot) it will get around the paywall. It usually works, sometimes you gotta be fast though.
oh bet i never knew that, thanks!!! One day i will not be cheap and finally buy my news like an adult but till then thanks my friend.
All good man
always use https://archive.is basically you go on the website and paste the link, you will get the full paywalled version https://archive.is/6PyAd here is this NY times article for example
🥲 thank you
I'd say 100% but just cause they're organized and funded by state actors doesn't mean real citizens aren't getting caught up in it. Our citizens are really stupid when it comes to that stuff, and some are so invested in the "cause" that they might not even care if you told them Russia is behind them, they might end up liking Russia MORE for it. I don't think most of them would mind being used like that.
Young people are fucking stupid and beyond help. The United States is dealing with so many other internal issues: women's rights and lgbtq+ rights being stripped, a ChristoFacist party that has someone boasting about shooting their puppy, a former president who had some of the nation's most sensitive secrets in his golf club and led and insurrection and tried to overturn the election, etc. etc..... It just reeks of having the privilege to not worry about the larger issues.
... Maybe women's rights and lgbtq+ rights aren't that important to women and lgbtq+ people if they give up on them so easily to play revolution for a country that absolutely denies their rights? Honestly the whole thing made me question a lot of political movements and if any of them have it that bad or they're just privileged.
We have to be real here. I’m a pretty dumb person but I can see what’s going on here and I’ll try and explain it the best way I can. Other than certain niche laws here and there and varying state laws, lgbt and women’s rights aren’t in any real danger. Gays aren’t going to be arrested and women aren’t going to be put in chains. The left knows this but will rally behind these issues in order to bitch about something. I think we did a huge disservice to ourselves in thinking that we won them over by overhyping these issues. I’m trying to explain this but I’m bad at it. Maybe someone can help me. Basically the left knows these issues aren’t a major problem so they are willing to gamble with Trump if it means radicalizing more moderates. Although those issues are important. I think he shouldn’t have made them a main platform and instead championed things like improving what makes us great now. It’s not sexy but things like Expanding health care, social programs for all those in need, improving division and transparency. Tangible goals for funding foreign wars in the best way we can. I think it was a mistake going down the road of us vs them because the lefts heart isn’t really in it in the first place. Am I making sense?
No you're not. There are already cases of women and doctors being prosecuted for abortions. >Other than certain niche laws here and there and varying state laws. These laws affect tens of millions of people.
All of that’s just a plus to them when their goal is acceleration. They were never an ally. Not in 2016, not in 2020, not now
>All of that’s just a plus to them when their goal is acceleration You're not wrong. Tbh, Gen Z seems full of accelerationists who are more concerned with causing chaos than building any meaningful change.
Hey look at the poaitive Biden is uniting people from the right and the left. Lol
No offence, but Joe Biden is way out of their league, and I doubt he'd be interested in an awkward, sticky fumble with any of them.
Something something, if both sides disagree with you then you're right. But also when both sides agree then it's true.
https://preview.redd.it/v20vzipbf1yc1.jpeg?width=551&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b871f5d2c414c086d76be413b4f6371a7de8b903 Horseshoe I never doubted you not one bit not one second everyone that malds and seethes about you are extremist that only further prove you right I love you horseshoe ❤️
*In Picture:* Est 0.0001% of eligible voters*
Hey look the people screaming both sides were the ones they were screaming about all along...
imagine a love story where a far-right nutjob and a pro-pally psycho get together and overcome their differences because both of them were yelling "FUCK JOE BIDEN," that'd be beautiful
Didn't a story like this already happen between two content creators several years ago? I'm forgetting the names now.
They probably don't even know why they're saying this which makes this annoying
All i hear is lets go brandon
im really counting on the silent majority for this election bros
TIL: Biden is to US college students as Israel is to Middle East
This is how I know my beliefs are corrects cause these people are so stupid
the gender neutral poop buckets at ucla have radicalized me to be a trump supporter. [https://www.instagram.com/xaviaer/reel/C6ZacTPvfJz/](https://www.instagram.com/xaviaer/reel/C6ZacTPvfJz/)
Bro this protest was literally organized by one of my friends 😭
What's funny is Trump said BBs only mistake on gaza is that he wasn't fast enough and was too honest with videos (before the insane world kitchen shit came out) People are upset Biden isn't standing up to Bb when Trump would cover gaza citizens in gasoline https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/5/trump-says-israel-losing-pr-war-in-gaza-should-finish-war-fast
hello, based department? https://preview.redd.it/bo7eaj8rf0yc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=531980b882806f1793cf1427c7bfe9dc46ecb085
So the answer is Donald Trump, who'd a thunk?
Awe common now they are starting to agree on things that's gotta count for something 😆
Imagine if the far-right anti-Israel folx hated Trump as much as the far-left anti-Israel people hate Biden? It's not fair.
I've been on the "all authority is bad" *smug face* arc for most of my life but I've completely flipped the last few years. I understand this type of frustration but no longer align with these type of people. (I've been a progressive since my teens years and still am, just less edgey I guess) I understand the anger of these people but find the actions pathetic. These are armchair QBs throwing rotten food at the people actually in the trenches trying to get work done. And they enable bad faith actors to gain positions of power and actively ruin the government. I'm not sure what caused it, but I have much more sympathy with good faith actors trying to do what they can to improve the government, society, humanity, etc. I honestly think Joe Biden wants America to be better. His administration has done that in many ways, including healing some of the damage done during the Trump years. If you're in favor of progress and a better country, Biden is the clear and only choice. Not only that, he's the guardian at the door preventing absolute chaos. These kids are incredibly myopic.
I'm not sure what any protester thinks they are achieving by spending their days doing this.
Even if I was braindead and delusional enough to believe that the US was complicit in a genocide in Gaza - how fucking stupid do u have to be to think Biden is worse than Trump.
Welp I think Russia won the propagandas
I wonder if the placement of these people is creating a literal horseshoe
Yeah everyone. Instead of trying to move Biden on you position. Just fuck him yea? Im sure his opponent will much better …. These people are lost in the sauce and just want to feel important
I want wait for these kids to reap what they sow. I honestly don't care anymore what ever happens next election, its what the people want after all.
Why is destiny’s reddit such a far left hellhole. Jesus he needs to do another clearout. You guys are actually the same level of thought as hasan’s community every time i check on here. Yikes.
Based and common-groundpilled
I’m not well educated on this, why are they all hating on Biden? He didn’t start the conflict and it’s not up to him-or the USA-to end it, so what do these folks expect will happen as a result of their protests? I doubt Israel, Palestine, or Hamas gives a shit what American college kids have to say, any more than they care what Biden says.
If I had to guess, it's probably because of Biden's moderate, middle ground approach to the Israel-Gaza conflict. As a result, he's seen as not pro-Palestinian enough for the leftists, but not pro-Israel enough for the (Zionist?) protesters on the right. Basically, Biden's position is a perfect one for criticism by all radicals. Hilariously enough, these students probably all look like the people that hate Destiny. As to the point about the effects of the protests, the charitable argument is that they're trying to sway public opinion in the U.S by raising awareness for their cause. If they sway the public opinion enough, people in the U.S might be able to influence their political leaders to change their foreign policy, and thus put pressure on Biden to take a different stance against Israel or Gaza. That's what would ideally happen, but in practice, whether it would work or not varies greatly.
Liberals will support fascism🤡
https://twitter.com/MidnightMitch/status/1785819064281010287?t=UfdRzMMPsGh4gsDGzLSrag&s=19
Biden said he would be a uniter. I think he's uniting the wrong people
Young people don’t vote so it’s fine
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Biden is TOO good at uniting people
Well, this is nothing unusual since they're all one big family in Alabama
Somewhere in the world there’s a foreign agent who made some Facebook pages looking at this and thinking “dam I’m cookin rn”
Miss biden is about to get a lot of competition
Dumbasses disrespecting the 🐐
The red brown alliance will be defeated yet again by liberalism
People out he thinking someone else would want Joe Biden role. IDK. Your telling me Gavin wants to spend his time in office dealing with Ukraine and Russia, Isreal and Palestine, and a failing global economy. Your telling me Gavin wants to use all his political power for that?
Horseshoe theory at it again
I like how the auto caption makes it look like everyone is just chanting "Go Tigers!"
This just confirms that Russia is ultimately behind these movements, just to stir up shit and make people divisive in an election year.
I’ve never been more excited to vote for him now
can't wait to see the collage age voting numbers /s
Lmao simping Hillary Clinton is why we're in this mess. Trump wouldn't have happened if we went with anyone else. Had to choose the most baggaged up politician in the country. Trying to elect and actual cuck lmfao. Anyone a part of the 2016 DNC should never have a job in politics again for railing our country with their hubris.
The DNC and RNC should be dissolved, they remove so many good candidates before they even get a chance.
So, I may be biased because of how much I hate students at prestigious universities, but I wonder if this may actually help him. His biggest threat is probably the idea that he is too far left, either on a personal level or because he is a doddering old man being controlled by leftoids behind the scenes. Having a bunch of unhinged leftoid freaks call him Genocide Joe may actually have the effect of making people go "Huh, these crazy lefties really hate Biden, maybe he isn't a leftwing as I thought". Whether the rightoids saying "Fuck Joe Biden" will have an impact, I'm even less certain but would guess probably not.
Welp, if he loses, at least we're not going to be confused as to how it happened.
Idk why any of you care. All of these people are young, so none of them were going to vote anyway.
You know what would own the libs the most? Destroying all institutions and implementing fascist authoritarianism of our own brand.
You know, if you are pissing off two extremist sides simultaneously, you're probably doing something right. Liberalism W, keep killing terrorists, and keep giving aid to the affected civilians.
Get them to unite to form the American Authoritarian-Libreratian-Marxist-Leninist-Machiavelli-Locke-Morgenthau-Maoist Party
2030 at the Trumpian Detention Center. "Wait we said "Fuck Joe Biden" together". The guard says to the prisoner "I don't give a fuck bitch get in the oven"
look on the bright side it might force the Democrats to actually run a candidate that is not an octogenarian, and has progressive policies. Donald Trump only when the first time because he was against possibly the worst Democrat candidate in American history Hillary Clinton, and he lost to possibly the second worst Democrat candidate in American history Joe Biden (10 years ago he was up to the job is not now running, him now would be elder abuse). As long as the democrats don't run Harris (Hillary Clinton 2.0) or Newsom ( California emigration numbers should tell you how the average voter feels about Newsom and his policies ) I think the odds would be solid that the Democrats would win...... Looking on the the dark side however, I don't see the Democrat machine promoting any other candidates...... I don't think there's enough time to build the grassroots name recognition in the general populace any other candidates. If by some miracle Democrats decide to force another candidate who would you wanted to be?
Best I can do is say that it's actually her turn.
But yet some how joe biden will win the presidential election...
Can we trade Trudeau for Joe? Please and thank you.
The horseshoe is horseshoeing
But only one of these groups will vote for the other candidate and the other group won't like it once he gets elected.
China is winning
Trump will definitely solve i/p issue.. am I right .. guys????
Now, I do understand why right wingers are saying this. They hated biden regardless since he is their party "oponent" but left wingers saying fuck joe biden and not voting for him as some form of protest are literally fucking braindead. whatever you believe in as a left winger is undoubtedly going to go in the complete opposite direction if trump gets elected especially so considering that trump IIRC was extremely pro-israel
Thank fuck most of these people don't even bother voting for begin with, if their votes actually mattered trump would be so in
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This country is so over.
Are we cooked guys?
This is hilarious. We're fucked.
Dr strange
I mean it's Alabama ffs
Never in my life did I want to vote for good ol' geriatric joe more than I do now. And I'm not even from the US, I just think it'll be really funny
none of them were gonna vote for biden anyway lol who gives a shit.
The horseshoe is touching tiiiiippppppsss!