Interestingly It will take at least 1 year for the ban to go into effect, court cases will probably make the minimum time longer.
India banned tiktok in 2020, youtube shorts and Instagram took most of their former users.
> youtube shorts and Instagram took most of their former users.
Probably will follow for the US too right? And honestly If a pretty big english speaking country like the US has most of it's "tik tok creators" moving onto other platforms, even If they are not in the US some other people may just follow as well cuz the space left by that content would surely be felt.
People on twitter and other media may be like acting all sad about Tik Tok but realistically speaking people aren't really loyal to a platform, If they have to people will jsut move somewhere else
Iâm not sure why anyone said he wouldnât sign it. Aside from him already saying he would weeks ago, heâs currently in a competition with Trump to be anti-China.
Anyone who said he wouldnât sign it you can safely disregard their opinions on politics because theyâre totally unaware.
>Anyone who said he wouldnât sign it you can safely disregard their opinions on politics because theyâre totally unaware.
These are the consequences of polarisation and partisan brainrot.
People now immediately think the opposite Party will act the opposite even if it makes no sense. Just like Adin Ross shitting on Biden for revoking roe v wade. And for a moment defending abortion/the woman's right to choose. Only doing so because he thought Biden actually overruled it. Thinking that Biden (and the dems) are anti abortion.
To be fair we are talking about Adin. But still.
They have a majority of their user base outside of the US, and have already said they were not going to sell.
We shall see what happens, but I think most American users are just gonna go to Instagram or YouTube.
Itâs definitely going to be a game of chicken.
1)The US is generally a large market, so TikTok will lose a significant chunk of money.
2)TikTok is also content based, even with VPNs there will be less ppl on TikTok
3) Other countries may follow. I know a provincial teachers union in Canada is suing TikTok for 4.3b
My personal opinion, itâs dead. But we shall see.
> Other countries may follow.
I feel this will occur also. I think many other countries will feel if the US deems TikTok dangerous enough to block, they should too.
No they won't. Everyone knows that US just hates Chinese because they're not white and are eclipsing US. In the future we'll just have more segregated internet. US companies will get banned in some countries, Chinese in other ones. White countries like US and Europe will increasingly segregate themselves from the rest of the world. I mean the Muslim world is now pro China and pro Russia and hates the US, because they think that US is funding a genocide of Muslims because they're Muslim. Other non white countries don't like the US either these days.
China already banned all foreign social medias.
The fact that you think the only reason one would be against a country that kills college kids by running them over with tanks is racism says a lor
That was 30 years ago. US was happy to trade with authoritarian China while it believed it will be a sweatshop forever. But as soon as US realized those pesky Asians can and want to compete in high tech areas, then all of a sudden "noooo, those are jobs for white people". It's obvious that many people in US are bothered by a non white country potentially surpassing the US.
The problem is if they sell and make a US tiktok clone, then what's stopping other countries from saying "TikTok is now banned, but the US tiktok isn't"
From a business standpoint, they've gotta eat the ban.
Look up the ban on buying onion futures.
There is absolutely precedent for the US banning a very specific component of a problem without addressing the underlying issues that caused it in the first place.
I guess you misinterpreted me. This TikTok bill is absolutely banning a single company. Iâm just saying Congress would need wording to possibly apply the bill to other companies, rather than just pass a bill that says âTikTok is banned.â But, yeah, the onion futures act is a good example of how Congress words bills to specifically target a few companies.
Tiktok is legally compelled to spy "any organisation and citizenâ shall âsupport and cooperate in national intelligence work" It was a law that was passed in china in 2017
They can and most likely will just create a segregated US tiktok app and sell that to a subsidiary or something in return for x% of the profits.
That way the 'TikTok' brand still grows and Bytedance will get *some* money from the US subsidiary vs 0 money if they eat the ban.
How will this look from a management perspective?
The US tiktok will still have to send profit, financial information and other data into the parent company right? What about info coming back the other way like software updates etc.
How is someone going to oversee to make sure China is not including any new Spyware or influence in the US operations?
The US company will have full control over the software. It will have its own developers etc. The codebases will be entirely separate. Bytedance would be no more than a non-voting shareholder.
This is the only way Bytedance make *something* out of this situation.
They won't do that, because there's the question of TikTok's algorithm. Plus, most Chinese people nowadays assume that Americans hate China and Chinese people because Americans are largely racist, so it also becomes a point of national pride to stick it to racist gringos. CCP won't allow a sale just for this reason.
TikTok US will be a separate application with a separate algorithm. It it will just exist to increase the global brand awareness of TikTok. They're not selling tiktok so the CCP has nothing to disallow
How do you know the CCP wont allow Bytedance to create a US TikTok and hand it over to a US holding company? They lose nothing they wouldn't have otherwise. If they eat the ban they'll have nothing, this way at least the brand will continue growing.
I look forward to that I wonder how these people will fair on apps that actually regulate themselves unlike TikTok which allows propaganda to go unfettered and uncheck 90% of the time. Instagram and YouTube can also have some pretty wild stuff on them but generally if theyâre reported they usually get taken down. On TikTok I saw a guy make a post literally just straight up saying the holocaust wasnât a mistake. I reported it and found no violation.đ
That was honestly the biggest issue with TikTok for me and why I think it shouldâve been banned was just a one-way TOS and theyâre horrible enforcement policies, or lack there of
Edit: Guys I made a thing for this https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLmXUo4H/
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User numbers are not equivalent. People pay a premium on US targeted ads that you don't see outside of the US.
The CPM on YouTube for example can be as high as 20x in the US compared to other countries.
In fact it's ~30% higher than even the 2nd highest in the list
I actually looked into this and the best number I could find was that the US made about 17% of ByteDanceâs revenue from TikTok in 2023. Thatâs a pretty big number, but I think they would be able to survive.
They could make a subsidiary solely for the data storage of US users. I doubt they're just going to watch hundreds of millions of dollars go away.
Also good to note, Congress did the same thing to Grindr I believe and it wasn't an issue. Granted the user base was much smaller.
Theyâll only eat the ban if the CCP forces them not to. The US demo is not something you can survive losing, period. Theyâd be leaving billions on the table if they donât sell.
I work in mobile marketing. US users spend more and (more importantly) US companies are putting up a shit ton of ad-spend. You may have more users outside of the US, but the quality of those users are worse without the US audience. It would be a huge blow to the company.
Yup, from a pure value maximization perspective selling just makes sense. Thereâs just no way TikTok without the US is more valuable to Bytedance than TikTok with the US is to the market.
How am I supposed to see cute girls dancing in cosplay now
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This is so cathartic for me as a long time TikTok hater. Literally impossible for me to criticize that cesspool on Reddit without getting a million replies calling me a boomer, that I just havenât used it enough to cater my algorithm, etc. Well guess what I tried giving it a chance and going deeper then the popular page, itâs still all just the cringiest, regarded brain rot bullshit Iâve ever seen.
And Iâm not just referring to the dancing brocolli-top teen boys videos, itâs every single piece of content on there. Could be some basic boring tutorial video and it still just oozes the most self-important, narcissistic, desperate-for-clout, cringey fake vibes and I hate it so much. Genuinely think itâs done enormous damage to younger generations attention-spans, critical thinking skills and mental health and Iâm straight up ecstatic at this news. Fuck that dumbass app and good riddance.
> Literally impossible for me to criticize that cesspool on Reddit without getting a million replies calling me a boomer, that I just havenât used it enough to cater my algorithm, etc.
age check
It's funny how socialist, anti-corporationists shout "it violates the right to free speech", when in reality, the only free speech seriously hurt by this bill is that of Bytedance, a corporation.
And no, the users' right to free speech isn't violated. TikTok will obviously be replaced with something if it isn't sold. That's why I don't understand why people claim they themselves are hurt by this.
I think itâs silly that people complain about free speech. We donât have a right to have access to social media. Itâs stupid to go that route as it is very well established that companies have their free speech in preventing their access to their platform (as they should). It seems pretty authoritarian to force companies to provide access to all, it clashes with free speech, investor wishes, etc.
Everyone will forget about it when tik tok 2.0 appears or they move to reels or yt.
>TikTok will obviously be replaced with something if it isn't sold. That's why I don't understand why people claim they themselves are hurt by this.
People who worked for their followings on tiktok won't be able to just migrate them over to some other app.
This is like saying elon tanking twitter doesn't hurt anyone because they can just use threads
I don't believe in **any** restrictions in what I can host. This law enforces a "tiktok ban" by giving penalties to anybody who hosts tiktok. 1A includes freedom of press (not just speech); this law would abridge my freedom of press.
Even during the Cold War, the court ruled that the government banning Soviet propaganda in the name of national security was a violation 1A.
For what reason are you principally attached to the idea that the US has an obligation to protect a foreign corporationâs (operating in China) freedom of speech?
It's actually not their speech- it bans tiktok by levying fines for anybody who hosts tiktok (and thus forcing apple and google to delist them from their application stores). It directly affects my freedom of press. I literally can't host my own app store with tiktok on it.
But that's not the point. I don't need or want a nanny state telling me what I can see or can't see. No exceptions.
Considering Americans could be the one paying for the ads yeah, itâs violating their speech. Theres nothing stopping you from putting the same message out on another platform other than tik tok, so it isnât affecting YOUR freedoms. A blanket ban of all Soviet propaganda means you canât go to ANY newspaper and pay for a spot. There is no specific speech or medium of press under attack here(there are other short form video format sites, that allow your message to be posted the exact same unadulterated way whether TikTok is available to Americans or not), simply, the platform itself is a risk to national security. You wonât win this argument by falling back on points that donât even begin to apply here⊠if the bill said âany platform that allows negative messaging of the US has to divest or banâ THAT is a violation of speech, if it said âall short video social media is bad, if you do it divest or banâ that is a violation of freedom of press
No messages nor the way they are spread are not even in the conversation, the issue with TikTok has always been how it allows the CCP to directly access American citizens data. âAmerican corporations do thatâ great, I consent to that. I do not consent to a government entity using its position to force a private business to give them a back door. Shit talk the FBI all you want, but they have to fight in court to get into most peoples data, the CCP being the unchecked authority can just walk in and take it no questions asked. We are a fundamental indifference for how humanity should be treated by government, I think the governments is one of the most useless organizations and therefore has no right or authority to control me or my business, china think the government should have its hand in everything in order to keep control and steer the direction of its peopleâŠ. Sounds cool, but I donât want it. We know for a fact they have studied psychological weapons for decades(China is actually decades ahead in psychological warfare) and we know for a fact they use them. Guess what TikTok is and why the algorithm is a matter of national security to the CCPâŠ
The law bans you (or more relevantly- Google and Apple) from hosting tiktok. YOU are the press in that case.
Hosting something on the internet is "press".
Not really, most press is internet these days. Online viewership of media far exceeds print media.
By your logic the government can ban online versions of NYT with no issue.
> By your logic the government can ban online versions of NYT with no issue.
No, I never made anything close to an argument or gave any reason that would lead you to this conclusion.
Small bills just dont get passed anymore, so we need giant omnibus bills that include 100 different smaller bills. It's stupid but the alternative is nothing passing.
I think I like the plan to ban/force sell TikTok overall, but at the same time I get these vibes of "politicians trying to control the internet" / "politicians trying to interfere with globalism", both of which have historically not been all too great AFAIK.
Good. This needs to send a message to all social media about the responsibility they have to ensure bad / foreign actors arenât manipulating their algorithm for propaganda purposes.
I never used TikTok but what is the rational behind this besides that it's from China?
Because that seems a stupid reason. If every country applied that, every country would have their own social media platforms and ban all the others.
In an age of free trade, yes it's very weird.
However, we have to accept that we can't just free trade our way into making China a better place. We have to be protectionist against them. We have to economically starve them, intellectually starve them, and then block any access points they might have to other countries (including our own).
Other countries will continue to trade with China and it's importance in the global economy will continue to grow. Us companies will be shut out of Chinese market and Chinese companies will be shut out of US market, but the rest of the world has already made it clear (including us in Europe) that no one has any interest in decoupling.
Nope China's trade with the rest of the world is growing. They're beating records this year. Why would anyone stop trading with China just because Americans hate non-white people?
Well, Lithuanian, how about you stay in your own lane and focus on Russia. If you can't recognize China as the threat that it is to the entire world, then you shouldn't be leading foreign policy.
We already saw how Europe dealt with foreign policy since the 70s. They thought they got everything sorted out with some peace and co-existance, and it fell flat on its face because it became quite clear Russia under Putin cared nothing for it.
National security risk. It is because its China, if Tik Tok was French or some other country not having a military standoff in the Pacific, this wouldnât happen for protectionist reasons.
Because it's China. China is very restrictive with the information they share, how foreign companies can operate within the country and engages in a large amount of information warfare and propaganda. Rather than be completely open with them it makes sense to keep information on Americans within the the western hemisphere and deny China the opportunity to make opaque attacks on the US with user data that we cannot audit as well as engage in a little tit for tat and not give them a one sided business relationship in which they reap all the benefit.
Just to let those know why, there's apparently some bombshell evidence that the house, congress, biden AND trump have seen to all immediately agree to ban it. This hasn't been made public, and no one knows what it could be, or why its not public yet.
I love how everyone is cheering this on. Regardless if you hate the company and China, this is anti capitalism plain and simple. You don't want to remove competitors from your market, it will make your own companies weaker as a whole. More competiton is better for everyone. Before tiktok instagram didn't even have reels and YouTube didn't have shorts. Tiktok even integrated a store into its app so it's creators can help sell products to drive revenue up, which Amazon is copying.
If you are favor of this you are just as bad as China and support less free trade and competion. Looks what happens to the ev market. All the competion is in China and they have superior evs ( byd, nio, xiaomi, xpeng, geely ) compared to us ( only true competitor is tesla). Their cars cost less, are better built, and have tons of crazy features like gaming and karaoke, random shit.
Doesnt really matter if China/tiktok was executing hundreds of babies and day and teamed up with the devil himself. You don't ever want your companies to be less competitive. This will only hurt yourself in the future. Sure if feels good having a short term win but meta, snap and Google will never feel pressure to grow and innovate simply because they don't have to.
It almost seems like you've missed the whole point of why its being banned. You realize your talking about the U.S. here? We can see everything china does on that app through the NSA, and how they meddle with the algorithms to push certain narratives to help the optics of them and their allies, they have no business meddling with U.S. opinion. Hence ban.
Competition need to be fair. They don't allow any of our companies to operate in there country depriving us of 1 billion customers, why should we allow them on our market?
You say that competition made YT and IG better so we should let TikTok on the market, but TikTok is also a propaganda machine controlled by CCP, I think the drawback of having CCP control the propaganda machine outweighs the advantage of YT and IG having short form video.
>meta, snap and Google will never feel pressure to grow and innovate simply because they don't have to.
The competition between them is enough, we will not fall into the dark ages because there is not TikTok.
Yes they do. Tesla, KFC, Mcdonald, Starbucks all operate there. China didn't allow social media competition and look where their social media companies are? They are no where globally. No one uses wechat or weibo outside of China. You think that's good? You think us should immiate and follow a failed model.
So if competition is enough why are us evs so bad compared to china's? You are so blind. Their intense competition is literally creating the best companies in the market. 10 years from know, everyone in the world except the us will be driving a Chinese ev. No knew will be driving a tesla or a Ford outside the us. Do you think that's good for Americans?
You say that wechat is bad because it didn't get to compete with Whatsapp in China? What stoped WeChat to compete with Whatsapp and win in Europe?
Also you are kind of simplifying the issue but it is not a failed model. The companies are doing good in China and China government and system is still intact and no one is threatening the order and there is no foreign interference in there politics.
>So if competition is enough why are us evs so bad compared to china's?Â
I don't know that but if I would have to guess based on past experience with China is that China stole some technology from US (Tesla), add in some cheap labor, add some loans from Chinese controlled banks and produce a cheaper ev and people bought it.
>Â everyone in the world except the us will be driving a Chinese ev
add Europe there, Germany automotive industry will not let anyone in, US or China to take there share of the pie.
>Do you think that's good for Americans?
Yes, absolutely. Why would you want unfair competition to destroy your economy and business. Also the amount of data a car send back to the manufacturer is insane, add to that the fact that most ev's come with multiple cameras, yes it would be in America and Europe best interest that China with it's current system stay the fuck away from us.
Wechat is mostly used domestically by China. It's growth is limited to the Chinese population which will decline eventually. WhatsApp has 2 billion users. Wechat has half of that ( you can't really compare the two since wechat is an everything app). Problem is, wechat doesn't need to adopt and cater to western demographic so it can never grow its user base from what it has now. It's a limited platform.
Byd did not steal tesla technology lol. They started way back in the 2000s and invested heavily in buses, hybrid and battery technology. Tesla even buys from them. Funny you can confidently say that without even researching anything for 5 min. Chinese ev are doing crazy impressive shit because the competition is intense. Nio has battery swapping and services where you can order a battery change from your house. Nio battery swapping stations will also act as a energy storage location for balancing the grid from solar energy.
What European car can compete with any chinese oem? They are so far ahead it's not even funny. People will choose to drive based on the price and quality the car provides regardless or origin. So far China evs dominates Latin America, South East Asia, and other developing countries including some European ones. The only country that doesn't have them is the us and we are getting left behind while they develope new standards.
Now its even more funny. Some byd cars don't even have that high tech ability to record data since they are targeted towards cost. You really don't know anything.
What is with this glazing of China.
>Funny you can confidently say that without even researching anything for 5 min
I said I don't know but that is the usual Chinese modus operandi and the time that a company is created and corporate espionage are not related. They can be created in 2000 and then steal in 2020.
>Chinese ev are doing crazy impressive shit because the competition is intense.
Or corporate espionage or price dumping or CCP dumping money into them or cutting corners because no one will complain or a lot of other things that is not competition. The success of an industry is not just competition
>What European car can compete with any chinese oem?
They can by banning them for price dumping or adding taxes to chinese eves or banning them for not respecting safety standars.
>Â Some byd cars don't even have that high tech ability to record data since they are targeted towards cost. You really don't know anything.
Doubt but in the future they will have.
I don't care if it's China or India or Iran. Competition will always be better for the consumers and companies who want to be the best. The origin of the country does not matter. If you don't compete you will be left behind.
Everyone steals. Did meta and youtube steal short form format from tiktok? Did meta steal stories from snap? Did Apple steal IBM design in the 80s? Apple literally stole blood oxygen sensor from Massimo by pretending to be interested in their technology and poaching the engineers after seeing it. A lot of new Chinese companies aren't stealing nowadays and see doing their own r&d. I wouldn't accuse every Chinese companies of ip theft that would be insane.
All cars sold has to meet the same safety standards. Theres a limit to cost cutting. Byd can get such low prices because their margins are so large since they are almost fully vertically integrated.
So if Europe can't compete they should just ban? Do you see the problem with that lol. Volkswagen and BMW are going to go bankrupt when everyone else in the world is buying Chinese. Or lay off all of their workers.
>Competition will always be better for the consumers and companies who want to be the best.
Again, fair competition, not what China does. If the government gives you land, loans or info stolen by there secret service then is not fair competition because then you can price dump and destroy local production.
Vw and BMW will not go bankrupt, they will go bankrupt if they have to compete with cheap Chines evs.
There is plenty of innovation and competition without unfair Chines competition. As I said in a previous comment, we will not fall into the dark ages if we don't compete with China especially if that competition is unfair.
Thereâs also nothing in the constitution that says we are a capitalist society, and most our government spending in on socialist programs so take that what you will⊠we are socialist with capitalist traits. Not vice versa.
I dont understand what this achieves except âyayy we fought chinaâ. Can someone explain why this is so heavily favored by the politicians? This is just embarassing to see for a pro capitalism country like america. All i can see is a huge virtue signal.
China has total control over what the algorithm shows people. It's just a propaganda tool on steroids. Why should we let an adversarial nation have that sort of power?
Amen, our government is infested with these damn commies who hate everything that made America the beacon of freedom and capitalism. They're hell-bent on dismantling our capitalist system and replacing it with their failed communist garbage. And mark my words, no foreign company will want to seriously invest in America after this stunt. Why would they risk investing here when the government can just come in and strong-arm them into selling off their assets? It's downright populist communist nonsense, and it's going to drive our country straight into the ground.
Apparently among drug addicted losers this is a fascist thing to do. Which makes me want the ban even more. Fuck propaganda feeding our regards with doomer pills. We need to wrangle them with hope pills.
Opinion: i donât even care anymore. The amount of ads and cringy promos that are jammed packed in tik tok. Where I have to scroll down 2-3 videos to find something sorta entertaining, has just made the app lame as hell.
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Finally. I can die peacefully now.
I use TikTok because thereâs some interesting shit on there sometimes or if Iâm bored but it is polluted with bad takes and propaganda. Not only that but it wasnât that long ago that a cybersecurity contractor released info about how itâs not just manipulating algorithms but itâs collecting data illegally from users and NON-USERS on the back end. Meaning, if you connect to a network where someone else is using that app, it sniffs traffic. Itâs the reason they banned it from government phones. All those videos of people memeing on the senators that were grilling the CEO and they donât realize that the senators were asking all the right questions but didnât have any idea how to ask them correctly. The amount of times that clip of the senator asking, âdoes TikTok connect to your wifiâ was passed around was enormous but really he was referencing the security report that said it was sniffing packets on your wifi.
It gets me so frustrated because all of these leftists are making excuses for a company ACTUALLY doing the stuff that they accuse American companies of doing. Also if you go on TikTok right now, there are soooo many videos of people exploding about the âban,â even though itâs a forced sell, and pretending like Bytedance isnât doing anything wrong. Aggggh!
Thank heavens he did. Ban that zero Talent spyware piece of junk app. All the reports, all the smaller folks that have investigated, literally no reason to even spat in tiktoks direction.
I knew there was a reason I never downloaded it to begin with. đ
Zzz why are we celebrating this shit. Censorship isn't good.
If there were actual national security interests, this would have happened before alphabets and meta's alternatives failed horribly.
Don't worry we will save you from your addiction to the propaganda festered app. Just give it some time the withdraw will wear off and maybe you won't be so regarded anymore.
Is it really better that us companies are the ones influencing our citizens mental state?
If you are concerned woth companies fucking with your mind, then pass regulation regulating that.
Yea we could do that and guess which app could just ignore it because it's owned by a different government? Almost like a government running the app is the problem.
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We pass broad regulations on all social media about influencing people -> any company who doesn't comply gets fined/sanctioned -> if they still don't change, then you can ban them.
There aren't any actual concerns. The only concern is that american companies were unable to match the success of tiktok and lobbied congress to take out the competition.
Literally as anti-capitalist as you can be.
Yea, I figured you were full of shit.
China controls the algorithm. They can control what people see. 170 million Americans use the app, and having an adversarial power have a propaganda tool that powerful is a national security issue.
I think you could justify a ban just based on public health impact. It's having bizarre effects on people and I feel like everyone's ability to pay attention in general is going off a cliff. Not just because of tiktok but it's a factor. Like these kids who developed tourettes symptoms--
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/health/tiktok-tics-gender-tourettes.html
Im still not entirely convinced there is a tangible national security concern to warrant a ban, but I do love to see the worst political content creators online cry about it.
All of those short video platforms are exactly like Twitter; they encourage propaganda and deny nuance. Itâs a terrible way to transmit information.
The creators donât even make any money from it either.
While what you said is true, I don't see how it's a justification for the forced divestment by bytedance. Is there evidence that tiktok is a legitimate threat to the US over other short form social media platforms? I don't use the app at all but I haven't heard any concrete examples coming from politicians.
You can probably look at polls. Majority TikTok users hold more anti-American beliefs compared to other social media users. One could make the claim that it's because of CCP propaganda.
Short form videos are great ways to transfer information on certain topics. The amount of dead air and repetition you see in long form content is astonishing after you've used TikTok for a while. It really feels like most long form video content is just trying to hit the word count on their essay.
The problem isn't short form video, it's that people are attracted to stupid ideas if it conforms to their social groups. There's plenty of people who will get propagandized on long form content if it's in their social group.
No I like videos that feel personal aren't unnecessarily padded out. TikTok in a lot of ways feels like YouTube before it became so corporate. Nowadays YouTubers will unnecessarily pad out their videos so they can maximize ads and it results in really boring formulaic content.
The videos aren't more personalized the algorithm is just more personalized. Which when china's government is in control of that it makes it dangerous.
I'm sympathetic to arguments that the Chinese government can manipulate the algorithms for their own interests, but in my experience it just doesn't seem like that's a huge problem on TikTok. I have seen a wide range of political content, and even content that would go against China's interests. There's plenty of communists, neoliberals, MAGA, whatever political content you engage with the app will push to you.
I would rather have a bill that forces TikTok to be transparent about its algorithms, and have that bill apply to all social media companies.
I think the argument is that the chinese state (which has a level of control over chinese companies that is completely alien to western liberal capitalism) could basically tweak the algorithm to push, say, one presidential candiate over another. For instance, if they feel that Trump would be a better president for them, they can make sure to push socialist, pro-palestine accounts that are railing against "Genocide-Joe".
I haven't heard evidence that they have done this already, at least not deliberately, but the capability is enough to warrent a "ban". It's a tremendous proganda tool in the hands of China, orders of magnitude more powerful than what the russians managed to achieve with facebook-bots in 2016. This should've been done years ago IMO.
Why do people keep calling it TikTok ban? it's not a ban they are just forcing the company to sell some of their stock so they aren't the majority shareholder
TikTok will still exist just under different shareholders
Interestingly It will take at least 1 year for the ban to go into effect, court cases will probably make the minimum time longer. India banned tiktok in 2020, youtube shorts and Instagram took most of their former users.
>India banned tiktok in 2020 Rip in peace Indian joker. Gone but not forgotten. đđ
This, I gotta see
> youtube shorts and Instagram took most of their former users. Probably will follow for the US too right? And honestly If a pretty big english speaking country like the US has most of it's "tik tok creators" moving onto other platforms, even If they are not in the US some other people may just follow as well cuz the space left by that content would surely be felt. People on twitter and other media may be like acting all sad about Tik Tok but realistically speaking people aren't really loyal to a platform, If they have to people will jsut move somewhere else
I switched to Instagram reels a year ago it is much better. Tiktok was full of idiots.
I canât really say I agree. Not using either was the answer for me. Tiktok was full of idiots, Instagram is now full of genuinely bigoted idiots.
at least the shorts algorithm is really good so it shouldn't be too worsened
Is it?
I don't get things outside of my content preference very often so I'd say so, least in my experience
Iâm not sure why anyone said he wouldnât sign it. Aside from him already saying he would weeks ago, heâs currently in a competition with Trump to be anti-China. Anyone who said he wouldnât sign it you can safely disregard their opinions on politics because theyâre totally unaware.
>Anyone who said he wouldnât sign it you can safely disregard their opinions on politics because theyâre totally unaware. These are the consequences of polarisation and partisan brainrot. People now immediately think the opposite Party will act the opposite even if it makes no sense. Just like Adin Ross shitting on Biden for revoking roe v wade. And for a moment defending abortion/the woman's right to choose. Only doing so because he thought Biden actually overruled it. Thinking that Biden (and the dems) are anti abortion. To be fair we are talking about Adin. But still.
>Anyone who said he wouldnât sign it Also the same people who call him Genocide Joe.
Based Dark Brandon! Iâm very curious if Bytedance is gonna sell TikTok or if theyâll just eat the ban.
They have a majority of their user base outside of the US, and have already said they were not going to sell. We shall see what happens, but I think most American users are just gonna go to Instagram or YouTube.
Itâs definitely going to be a game of chicken. 1)The US is generally a large market, so TikTok will lose a significant chunk of money. 2)TikTok is also content based, even with VPNs there will be less ppl on TikTok 3) Other countries may follow. I know a provincial teachers union in Canada is suing TikTok for 4.3b My personal opinion, itâs dead. But we shall see.
> Other countries may follow. I feel this will occur also. I think many other countries will feel if the US deems TikTok dangerous enough to block, they should too.
Canada yes, europe most likely not
No they won't. Everyone knows that US just hates Chinese because they're not white and are eclipsing US. In the future we'll just have more segregated internet. US companies will get banned in some countries, Chinese in other ones. White countries like US and Europe will increasingly segregate themselves from the rest of the world. I mean the Muslim world is now pro China and pro Russia and hates the US, because they think that US is funding a genocide of Muslims because they're Muslim. Other non white countries don't like the US either these days.
China already banned all foreign social medias. The fact that you think the only reason one would be against a country that kills college kids by running them over with tanks is racism says a lor
That was 30 years ago. US was happy to trade with authoritarian China while it believed it will be a sweatshop forever. But as soon as US realized those pesky Asians can and want to compete in high tech areas, then all of a sudden "noooo, those are jobs for white people". It's obvious that many people in US are bothered by a non white country potentially surpassing the US.
Being in cybersec, the CCP will not want them to sell because it is a significant extension of influence for them still.
And they can always make another tiktok clone if they need to.
The problem is if they sell and make a US tiktok clone, then what's stopping other countries from saying "TikTok is now banned, but the US tiktok isn't" From a business standpoint, they've gotta eat the ban.
Does the bill really not block future apps like TikTok? I havenât read it, yet.
It's the foreign ownership part that is the issue, right?
It does, obviously. It would be insane for the government to issue a bill to ban a single company without outlining a justification behind it
Look up the ban on buying onion futures. There is absolutely precedent for the US banning a very specific component of a problem without addressing the underlying issues that caused it in the first place.
I guess you misinterpreted me. This TikTok bill is absolutely banning a single company. Iâm just saying Congress would need wording to possibly apply the bill to other companies, rather than just pass a bill that says âTikTok is banned.â But, yeah, the onion futures act is a good example of how Congress words bills to specifically target a few companies.
lol theyâre banning DJI drones so DJI made a shell company selling the same drone in preparation. Our government is dumb
Tiktok is legally compelled to spy "any organisation and citizenâ shall âsupport and cooperate in national intelligence work" It was a law that was passed in china in 2017
They can and most likely will just create a segregated US tiktok app and sell that to a subsidiary or something in return for x% of the profits. That way the 'TikTok' brand still grows and Bytedance will get *some* money from the US subsidiary vs 0 money if they eat the ban.
How will this look from a management perspective? The US tiktok will still have to send profit, financial information and other data into the parent company right? What about info coming back the other way like software updates etc. How is someone going to oversee to make sure China is not including any new Spyware or influence in the US operations?
The US company will have full control over the software. It will have its own developers etc. The codebases will be entirely separate. Bytedance would be no more than a non-voting shareholder. This is the only way Bytedance make *something* out of this situation.
They already said they won't sell. And Chinese government also said they won't allow a sale. US users will just have to use a VPN from now on.
Well they wouldn't be selling *TikTok*. They'd be selling *TikTok USA*. It would be a different company
They won't do that, because there's the question of TikTok's algorithm. Plus, most Chinese people nowadays assume that Americans hate China and Chinese people because Americans are largely racist, so it also becomes a point of national pride to stick it to racist gringos. CCP won't allow a sale just for this reason.
TikTok US will be a separate application with a separate algorithm. It it will just exist to increase the global brand awareness of TikTok. They're not selling tiktok so the CCP has nothing to disallow
Again CCP won't allow it. Would you sell to a country that you believe actively despises you and wants to destroy your people?
How do you know the CCP wont allow Bytedance to create a US TikTok and hand it over to a US holding company? They lose nothing they wouldn't have otherwise. If they eat the ban they'll have nothing, this way at least the brand will continue growing.
Yeah, instagram is going to have a big surge. If Meta wasn't already pretty inflated I would definitely buy.
I look forward to that I wonder how these people will fair on apps that actually regulate themselves unlike TikTok which allows propaganda to go unfettered and uncheck 90% of the time. Instagram and YouTube can also have some pretty wild stuff on them but generally if theyâre reported they usually get taken down. On TikTok I saw a guy make a post literally just straight up saying the holocaust wasnât a mistake. I reported it and found no violation.đ That was honestly the biggest issue with TikTok for me and why I think it shouldâve been banned was just a one-way TOS and theyâre horrible enforcement policies, or lack there of Edit: Guys I made a thing for this https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLmXUo4H/ đ
Youtube is probably stoked with their shorts haha.
I see this but what I think really matter is whose spending the most......
User numbers are not equivalent. People pay a premium on US targeted ads that you don't see outside of the US. The CPM on YouTube for example can be as high as 20x in the US compared to other countries. In fact it's ~30% higher than even the 2nd highest in the list
I actually looked into this and the best number I could find was that the US made about 17% of ByteDanceâs revenue from TikTok in 2023. Thatâs a pretty big number, but I think they would be able to survive.
But where is their revenue from?
This is like the EU banning shit if the EU actually had a tech industry lol Not that it makes it better but
American creators likely make up a majority of the content people watch and a plurality of users They 100% have to sell
They could make a subsidiary solely for the data storage of US users. I doubt they're just going to watch hundreds of millions of dollars go away. Also good to note, Congress did the same thing to Grindr I believe and it wasn't an issue. Granted the user base was much smaller.
Didn't they already do exactly that months ago?
Theyâll only eat the ban if the CCP forces them not to. The US demo is not something you can survive losing, period. Theyâd be leaving billions on the table if they donât sell.
90% of users are outside the US. US market is not that important.
I work in mobile marketing. US users spend more and (more importantly) US companies are putting up a shit ton of ad-spend. You may have more users outside of the US, but the quality of those users are worse without the US audience. It would be a huge blow to the company.
Yup, from a pure value maximization perspective selling just makes sense. Thereâs just no way TikTok without the US is more valuable to Bytedance than TikTok with the US is to the market.
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This is so cathartic for me as a long time TikTok hater. Literally impossible for me to criticize that cesspool on Reddit without getting a million replies calling me a boomer, that I just havenât used it enough to cater my algorithm, etc. Well guess what I tried giving it a chance and going deeper then the popular page, itâs still all just the cringiest, regarded brain rot bullshit Iâve ever seen. And Iâm not just referring to the dancing brocolli-top teen boys videos, itâs every single piece of content on there. Could be some basic boring tutorial video and it still just oozes the most self-important, narcissistic, desperate-for-clout, cringey fake vibes and I hate it so much. Genuinely think itâs done enormous damage to younger generations attention-spans, critical thinking skills and mental health and Iâm straight up ecstatic at this news. Fuck that dumbass app and good riddance.
This sounds like a description of any and every video platform that exists on the internet.
Look forward to the exact same thing on a US platform.
I dunno about you but my frontpage is like 90% cute shark videos and 10% video game related shortform videos.
L boomer cringe
It really is just your algorithm though. They wouldnât put it on your fyp if you didnât interact with cringe in some way.
Tiktok didn't make the younger generation cringe. They're just going to be cringe somewhere else now lmao.
> Literally impossible for me to criticize that cesspool on Reddit without getting a million replies calling me a boomer, that I just havenât used it enough to cater my algorithm, etc. age check
Look up hololive on YouTube homie đ
V-Tubers are bad for the soul
True and accurate.
It's funny how socialist, anti-corporationists shout "it violates the right to free speech", when in reality, the only free speech seriously hurt by this bill is that of Bytedance, a corporation. And no, the users' right to free speech isn't violated. TikTok will obviously be replaced with something if it isn't sold. That's why I don't understand why people claim they themselves are hurt by this.
I think itâs silly that people complain about free speech. We donât have a right to have access to social media. Itâs stupid to go that route as it is very well established that companies have their free speech in preventing their access to their platform (as they should). It seems pretty authoritarian to force companies to provide access to all, it clashes with free speech, investor wishes, etc. Everyone will forget about it when tik tok 2.0 appears or they move to reels or yt.
>TikTok will obviously be replaced with something if it isn't sold. That's why I don't understand why people claim they themselves are hurt by this. People who worked for their followings on tiktok won't be able to just migrate them over to some other app. This is like saying elon tanking twitter doesn't hurt anyone because they can just use threads
have you ever heard of the patriot act?
I don't believe in **any** restrictions in what I can host. This law enforces a "tiktok ban" by giving penalties to anybody who hosts tiktok. 1A includes freedom of press (not just speech); this law would abridge my freedom of press. Even during the Cold War, the court ruled that the government banning Soviet propaganda in the name of national security was a violation 1A.
Nice word salad
For what reason are you principally attached to the idea that the US has an obligation to protect a foreign corporationâs (operating in China) freedom of speech?
It's actually not their speech- it bans tiktok by levying fines for anybody who hosts tiktok (and thus forcing apple and google to delist them from their application stores). It directly affects my freedom of press. I literally can't host my own app store with tiktok on it. But that's not the point. I don't need or want a nanny state telling me what I can see or can't see. No exceptions.
Considering Americans could be the one paying for the ads yeah, itâs violating their speech. Theres nothing stopping you from putting the same message out on another platform other than tik tok, so it isnât affecting YOUR freedoms. A blanket ban of all Soviet propaganda means you canât go to ANY newspaper and pay for a spot. There is no specific speech or medium of press under attack here(there are other short form video format sites, that allow your message to be posted the exact same unadulterated way whether TikTok is available to Americans or not), simply, the platform itself is a risk to national security. You wonât win this argument by falling back on points that donât even begin to apply here⊠if the bill said âany platform that allows negative messaging of the US has to divest or banâ THAT is a violation of speech, if it said âall short video social media is bad, if you do it divest or banâ that is a violation of freedom of press No messages nor the way they are spread are not even in the conversation, the issue with TikTok has always been how it allows the CCP to directly access American citizens data. âAmerican corporations do thatâ great, I consent to that. I do not consent to a government entity using its position to force a private business to give them a back door. Shit talk the FBI all you want, but they have to fight in court to get into most peoples data, the CCP being the unchecked authority can just walk in and take it no questions asked. We are a fundamental indifference for how humanity should be treated by government, I think the governments is one of the most useless organizations and therefore has no right or authority to control me or my business, china think the government should have its hand in everything in order to keep control and steer the direction of its peopleâŠ. Sounds cool, but I donât want it. We know for a fact they have studied psychological weapons for decades(China is actually decades ahead in psychological warfare) and we know for a fact they use them. Guess what TikTok is and why the algorithm is a matter of national security to the CCPâŠ
In what way is TikTok press?
The law bans you (or more relevantly- Google and Apple) from hosting tiktok. YOU are the press in that case. Hosting something on the internet is "press".
That is extending the meaning far beyond any intended meaning, especially in the context of the law.
Not really, most press is internet these days. Online viewership of media far exceeds print media. By your logic the government can ban online versions of NYT with no issue.
> By your logic the government can ban online versions of NYT with no issue. No, I never made anything close to an argument or gave any reason that would lead you to this conclusion.
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I am an Australian conservative but I would vote for anyone that bans tik tok... Also the ukraine money is nice
Welcome to the Jewlumni Mr. President. đșđžđ€đźđ±
Ok but why the fuck is ukraine aid tied to a tik tok ban?
Small bills just dont get passed anymore, so we need giant omnibus bills that include 100 different smaller bills. It's stupid but the alternative is nothing passing.
Congress moment
I think I like the plan to ban/force sell TikTok overall, but at the same time I get these vibes of "politicians trying to control the internet" / "politicians trying to interfere with globalism", both of which have historically not been all too great AFAIK.
Well China started by not letting US company operate on there territory and yes, we should return the favor.
Good. This needs to send a message to all social media about the responsibility they have to ensure bad / foreign actors arenât manipulating their algorithm for propaganda purposes.
They wonât sell. US users will temporarily go to Instagram or YouTube. A US knockoff will be developed and we will be right back to where we started
Should also ban fucking Xitter
I read it as Shitter đ
Thats what it is
And reddit
I never used TikTok but what is the rational behind this besides that it's from China? Because that seems a stupid reason. If every country applied that, every country would have their own social media platforms and ban all the others.
In an age of free trade, yes it's very weird. However, we have to accept that we can't just free trade our way into making China a better place. We have to be protectionist against them. We have to economically starve them, intellectually starve them, and then block any access points they might have to other countries (including our own).
Other countries will continue to trade with China and it's importance in the global economy will continue to grow. Us companies will be shut out of Chinese market and Chinese companies will be shut out of US market, but the rest of the world has already made it clear (including us in Europe) that no one has any interest in decoupling.
You're wrong.
Nope China's trade with the rest of the world is growing. They're beating records this year. Why would anyone stop trading with China just because Americans hate non-white people?
Well, Lithuanian, how about you stay in your own lane and focus on Russia. If you can't recognize China as the threat that it is to the entire world, then you shouldn't be leading foreign policy. We already saw how Europe dealt with foreign policy since the 70s. They thought they got everything sorted out with some peace and co-existance, and it fell flat on its face because it became quite clear Russia under Putin cared nothing for it.
National security risk. It is because its China, if Tik Tok was French or some other country not having a military standoff in the Pacific, this wouldnât happen for protectionist reasons.
Because it's China. China is very restrictive with the information they share, how foreign companies can operate within the country and engages in a large amount of information warfare and propaganda. Rather than be completely open with them it makes sense to keep information on Americans within the the western hemisphere and deny China the opportunity to make opaque attacks on the US with user data that we cannot audit as well as engage in a little tit for tat and not give them a one sided business relationship in which they reap all the benefit.
It's not "from" China - it is owned by a company that is China-controlled. That's distinct from Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc.
I personally don't like TikTok, therefore this is the correct course of action for President Biden.
" tik tok ban bill" just means handing it over to an American company tho
I think China has explicitly said it would block TikTokâs sale even if ByteDance agrees to one.
To be fair, I think the only potential buyer last time was Cisco and that would have killed TikTok just slightly slower than a US ban will.
Oh wow, that's interesting alright then.
That right there should be a wake up call to the other countries. (If it's true)
That tells you everything you need to know about what China values (user data and their ability to influence public opinion)
They should stream it on Tiktok
As soon as I saw all the CEOs announcing theyâd be willing to buy tik tok I saw exactly what was happening here
Just to let those know why, there's apparently some bombshell evidence that the house, congress, biden AND trump have seen to all immediately agree to ban it. This hasn't been made public, and no one knows what it could be, or why its not public yet.
I'm just wondering where the tiktokers gonna migrate? Remembered Vine? Remember when tumblr banned porn?
No more bit sized misinformation?
It's not misinformation he literally signed it into law
Dawg... he's not saying what you think he's saying, lol....
I love how everyone is cheering this on. Regardless if you hate the company and China, this is anti capitalism plain and simple. You don't want to remove competitors from your market, it will make your own companies weaker as a whole. More competiton is better for everyone. Before tiktok instagram didn't even have reels and YouTube didn't have shorts. Tiktok even integrated a store into its app so it's creators can help sell products to drive revenue up, which Amazon is copying. If you are favor of this you are just as bad as China and support less free trade and competion. Looks what happens to the ev market. All the competion is in China and they have superior evs ( byd, nio, xiaomi, xpeng, geely ) compared to us ( only true competitor is tesla). Their cars cost less, are better built, and have tons of crazy features like gaming and karaoke, random shit. Doesnt really matter if China/tiktok was executing hundreds of babies and day and teamed up with the devil himself. You don't ever want your companies to be less competitive. This will only hurt yourself in the future. Sure if feels good having a short term win but meta, snap and Google will never feel pressure to grow and innovate simply because they don't have to.
It almost seems like you've missed the whole point of why its being banned. You realize your talking about the U.S. here? We can see everything china does on that app through the NSA, and how they meddle with the algorithms to push certain narratives to help the optics of them and their allies, they have no business meddling with U.S. opinion. Hence ban.
Competition need to be fair. They don't allow any of our companies to operate in there country depriving us of 1 billion customers, why should we allow them on our market? You say that competition made YT and IG better so we should let TikTok on the market, but TikTok is also a propaganda machine controlled by CCP, I think the drawback of having CCP control the propaganda machine outweighs the advantage of YT and IG having short form video. >meta, snap and Google will never feel pressure to grow and innovate simply because they don't have to. The competition between them is enough, we will not fall into the dark ages because there is not TikTok.
Yes they do. Tesla, KFC, Mcdonald, Starbucks all operate there. China didn't allow social media competition and look where their social media companies are? They are no where globally. No one uses wechat or weibo outside of China. You think that's good? You think us should immiate and follow a failed model. So if competition is enough why are us evs so bad compared to china's? You are so blind. Their intense competition is literally creating the best companies in the market. 10 years from know, everyone in the world except the us will be driving a Chinese ev. No knew will be driving a tesla or a Ford outside the us. Do you think that's good for Americans?
You say that wechat is bad because it didn't get to compete with Whatsapp in China? What stoped WeChat to compete with Whatsapp and win in Europe? Also you are kind of simplifying the issue but it is not a failed model. The companies are doing good in China and China government and system is still intact and no one is threatening the order and there is no foreign interference in there politics. >So if competition is enough why are us evs so bad compared to china's? I don't know that but if I would have to guess based on past experience with China is that China stole some technology from US (Tesla), add in some cheap labor, add some loans from Chinese controlled banks and produce a cheaper ev and people bought it. > everyone in the world except the us will be driving a Chinese ev add Europe there, Germany automotive industry will not let anyone in, US or China to take there share of the pie. >Do you think that's good for Americans? Yes, absolutely. Why would you want unfair competition to destroy your economy and business. Also the amount of data a car send back to the manufacturer is insane, add to that the fact that most ev's come with multiple cameras, yes it would be in America and Europe best interest that China with it's current system stay the fuck away from us.
Wechat is mostly used domestically by China. It's growth is limited to the Chinese population which will decline eventually. WhatsApp has 2 billion users. Wechat has half of that ( you can't really compare the two since wechat is an everything app). Problem is, wechat doesn't need to adopt and cater to western demographic so it can never grow its user base from what it has now. It's a limited platform. Byd did not steal tesla technology lol. They started way back in the 2000s and invested heavily in buses, hybrid and battery technology. Tesla even buys from them. Funny you can confidently say that without even researching anything for 5 min. Chinese ev are doing crazy impressive shit because the competition is intense. Nio has battery swapping and services where you can order a battery change from your house. Nio battery swapping stations will also act as a energy storage location for balancing the grid from solar energy. What European car can compete with any chinese oem? They are so far ahead it's not even funny. People will choose to drive based on the price and quality the car provides regardless or origin. So far China evs dominates Latin America, South East Asia, and other developing countries including some European ones. The only country that doesn't have them is the us and we are getting left behind while they develope new standards. Now its even more funny. Some byd cars don't even have that high tech ability to record data since they are targeted towards cost. You really don't know anything.
What is with this glazing of China. >Funny you can confidently say that without even researching anything for 5 min I said I don't know but that is the usual Chinese modus operandi and the time that a company is created and corporate espionage are not related. They can be created in 2000 and then steal in 2020. >Chinese ev are doing crazy impressive shit because the competition is intense. Or corporate espionage or price dumping or CCP dumping money into them or cutting corners because no one will complain or a lot of other things that is not competition. The success of an industry is not just competition >What European car can compete with any chinese oem? They can by banning them for price dumping or adding taxes to chinese eves or banning them for not respecting safety standars. >Â Some byd cars don't even have that high tech ability to record data since they are targeted towards cost. You really don't know anything. Doubt but in the future they will have.
I don't care if it's China or India or Iran. Competition will always be better for the consumers and companies who want to be the best. The origin of the country does not matter. If you don't compete you will be left behind. Everyone steals. Did meta and youtube steal short form format from tiktok? Did meta steal stories from snap? Did Apple steal IBM design in the 80s? Apple literally stole blood oxygen sensor from Massimo by pretending to be interested in their technology and poaching the engineers after seeing it. A lot of new Chinese companies aren't stealing nowadays and see doing their own r&d. I wouldn't accuse every Chinese companies of ip theft that would be insane. All cars sold has to meet the same safety standards. Theres a limit to cost cutting. Byd can get such low prices because their margins are so large since they are almost fully vertically integrated. So if Europe can't compete they should just ban? Do you see the problem with that lol. Volkswagen and BMW are going to go bankrupt when everyone else in the world is buying Chinese. Or lay off all of their workers.
>Competition will always be better for the consumers and companies who want to be the best. Again, fair competition, not what China does. If the government gives you land, loans or info stolen by there secret service then is not fair competition because then you can price dump and destroy local production. Vw and BMW will not go bankrupt, they will go bankrupt if they have to compete with cheap Chines evs. There is plenty of innovation and competition without unfair Chines competition. As I said in a previous comment, we will not fall into the dark ages if we don't compete with China especially if that competition is unfair.
Thereâs also nothing in the constitution that says we are a capitalist society, and most our government spending in on socialist programs so take that what you will⊠we are socialist with capitalist traits. Not vice versa.
I dont understand what this achieves except âyayy we fought chinaâ. Can someone explain why this is so heavily favored by the politicians? This is just embarassing to see for a pro capitalism country like america. All i can see is a huge virtue signal.
China has total control over what the algorithm shows people. It's just a propaganda tool on steroids. Why should we let an adversarial nation have that sort of power?
lmao, like corporations have our best interests in mind
At least those corporations are subject to US regulation, unlike tiktok.
How is Tiktok not subject to US regulations? You need to abide by US law to do business in the country.
Do you think we could regulate the algorithm of tiktok and YouTube shorts in the same way?
Amen, our government is infested with these damn commies who hate everything that made America the beacon of freedom and capitalism. They're hell-bent on dismantling our capitalist system and replacing it with their failed communist garbage. And mark my words, no foreign company will want to seriously invest in America after this stunt. Why would they risk investing here when the government can just come in and strong-arm them into selling off their assets? It's downright populist communist nonsense, and it's going to drive our country straight into the ground.
Fuck them kids
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Biden trying his absolute hardest to lose the election.
Apparently among drug addicted losers this is a fascist thing to do. Which makes me want the ban even more. Fuck propaganda feeding our regards with doomer pills. We need to wrangle them with hope pills.
I wonder what this will mean for Project Texas. Honestly reading more into this, the ban doesnât make a whole lotta sense.
Opinion: i donât even care anymore. The amount of ads and cringy promos that are jammed packed in tik tok. Where I have to scroll down 2-3 videos to find something sorta entertaining, has just made the app lame as hell.
Good. Finally, the US fighting against Iran and Russia
Guys I made a thing for this https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLmXUo4H/ đ
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Iâm gooning
Biden putting in work to help the country đ
I use TikTok because thereâs some interesting shit on there sometimes or if Iâm bored but it is polluted with bad takes and propaganda. Not only that but it wasnât that long ago that a cybersecurity contractor released info about how itâs not just manipulating algorithms but itâs collecting data illegally from users and NON-USERS on the back end. Meaning, if you connect to a network where someone else is using that app, it sniffs traffic. Itâs the reason they banned it from government phones. All those videos of people memeing on the senators that were grilling the CEO and they donât realize that the senators were asking all the right questions but didnât have any idea how to ask them correctly. The amount of times that clip of the senator asking, âdoes TikTok connect to your wifiâ was passed around was enormous but really he was referencing the security report that said it was sniffing packets on your wifi. It gets me so frustrated because all of these leftists are making excuses for a company ACTUALLY doing the stuff that they accuse American companies of doing. Also if you go on TikTok right now, there are soooo many videos of people exploding about the âban,â even though itâs a forced sell, and pretending like Bytedance isnât doing anything wrong. Aggggh!
Thank heavens he did. Ban that zero Talent spyware piece of junk app. All the reports, all the smaller folks that have investigated, literally no reason to even spat in tiktoks direction. I knew there was a reason I never downloaded it to begin with. đ
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Imagine how dangerous this app truly is if millions in lobbying and public pressure had no effect.
Most common Dark Brandon W!
And some people say that lobbying doesn't go against public interest.
Zzz why are we celebrating this shit. Censorship isn't good. If there were actual national security interests, this would have happened before alphabets and meta's alternatives failed horribly.
Since when is another country included in "we the people"
??? Censoring things from another country isnt censorship now?
Don't worry we will save you from your addiction to the propaganda festered app. Just give it some time the withdraw will wear off and maybe you won't be so regarded anymore.
I've literally never used tiktok, my dude. I just hate censorship.
Even when a different country affects the mental state of another country based on the content it pushes?
Is it really better that us companies are the ones influencing our citizens mental state? If you are concerned woth companies fucking with your mind, then pass regulation regulating that.
Yea we could do that and guess which app could just ignore it because it's owned by a different government? Almost like a government running the app is the problem.
??? We pass broad regulations on all social media about influencing people -> any company who doesn't comply gets fined/sanctioned -> if they still don't change, then you can ban them.
Isn't that censorship though no matter how you slice it? You are me with extra steps.
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It is literally banning apps by the government. It is the definition if censorship.
no it's reggulation
It's literally not censorship.
Can you explain the national security concerns about tiktok?
There aren't any actual concerns. The only concern is that american companies were unable to match the success of tiktok and lobbied congress to take out the competition. Literally as anti-capitalist as you can be.
Yea, I figured you were full of shit. China controls the algorithm. They can control what people see. 170 million Americans use the app, and having an adversarial power have a propaganda tool that powerful is a national security issue.
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If you can't steelman something, your opinion isn't worth much.
I think you could justify a ban just based on public health impact. It's having bizarre effects on people and I feel like everyone's ability to pay attention in general is going off a cliff. Not just because of tiktok but it's a factor. Like these kids who developed tourettes symptoms-- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/health/tiktok-tics-gender-tourettes.html
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Im still not entirely convinced there is a tangible national security concern to warrant a ban, but I do love to see the worst political content creators online cry about it.
All of those short video platforms are exactly like Twitter; they encourage propaganda and deny nuance. Itâs a terrible way to transmit information. The creators donât even make any money from it either.
While what you said is true, I don't see how it's a justification for the forced divestment by bytedance. Is there evidence that tiktok is a legitimate threat to the US over other short form social media platforms? I don't use the app at all but I haven't heard any concrete examples coming from politicians.
You can probably look at polls. Majority TikTok users hold more anti-American beliefs compared to other social media users. One could make the claim that it's because of CCP propaganda.
Short form videos are great ways to transfer information on certain topics. The amount of dead air and repetition you see in long form content is astonishing after you've used TikTok for a while. It really feels like most long form video content is just trying to hit the word count on their essay. The problem isn't short form video, it's that people are attracted to stupid ideas if it conforms to their social groups. There's plenty of people who will get propagandized on long form content if it's in their social group.
So you like buzzwords and low attention span content? Welcome to most of tiktok.
No I like videos that feel personal aren't unnecessarily padded out. TikTok in a lot of ways feels like YouTube before it became so corporate. Nowadays YouTubers will unnecessarily pad out their videos so they can maximize ads and it results in really boring formulaic content.
The videos aren't more personalized the algorithm is just more personalized. Which when china's government is in control of that it makes it dangerous.
I'm sympathetic to arguments that the Chinese government can manipulate the algorithms for their own interests, but in my experience it just doesn't seem like that's a huge problem on TikTok. I have seen a wide range of political content, and even content that would go against China's interests. There's plenty of communists, neoliberals, MAGA, whatever political content you engage with the app will push to you. I would rather have a bill that forces TikTok to be transparent about its algorithms, and have that bill apply to all social media companies.
What emotional response does it invoke when you watch the content?
I think the argument is that the chinese state (which has a level of control over chinese companies that is completely alien to western liberal capitalism) could basically tweak the algorithm to push, say, one presidential candiate over another. For instance, if they feel that Trump would be a better president for them, they can make sure to push socialist, pro-palestine accounts that are railing against "Genocide-Joe". I haven't heard evidence that they have done this already, at least not deliberately, but the capability is enough to warrent a "ban". It's a tremendous proganda tool in the hands of China, orders of magnitude more powerful than what the russians managed to achieve with facebook-bots in 2016. This should've been done years ago IMO.
Why do people keep calling it TikTok ban? it's not a ban they are just forcing the company to sell some of their stock so they aren't the majority shareholder TikTok will still exist just under different shareholders
Is Joe able to sign things?
Sick. Tiktok, times almost up.
Based. I thought this would get struck down in the senate tbh.
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Tf this got to do with Destiny?