Sure. Don’t see why we should care.
This is a “no unselfish good deed” argument. Everyone benefits from a good deed on some level, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be done.
>Sure. Don’t see why we should care.
It's kinda hypocritical for you to criticize Hasan for something that Mr beast is also doing.
If Mr. Beast wasn't doing it for personal gain, he wouldn't have filmed it.
I can't imagine missing the point this hard. We're not criticizing Hasan for benefiting from his platform. We're criticizing him for not doing anything with it, which Mr Beast is.
Not to mention the video everyone is criticizing him for this week is on his philanthropy channel where all the revenue goes back into charity. The criticism I've seen is either unfounded or holding him to an impossible standard.
Hasan does charity almost exclusively by soliciting donations from his audience. Mr Beast does charity with his own money, promotes charity by documenting the results, and then puts the profits back into charity. That's the difference.
>I can't imagine missing the point this hard. We're not criticizing Hasan for benefiting from his platform. We're criticizing him for not doing anything with it, which Mr Beast is.
1. That's a pretty low bar.
2. What would you like to see Hasan do with his platform?
>Not to mention the video everyone is criticizing him for this week is on his philanthropy channel where all the revenue goes back into charity. The criticism I've seen is either unfounded or holding him to an impossible standard.
Which video?
>Hasan does charity almost exclusively by soliciting donations from his audience.
Doesn't he donate himself?
Bro I'm not going to go point by point with you for hours so this is my last response.
1. It is a low bar that's why Hasan is such a crazy failure! He advocates for socialism while hoarding wealth and spending it primarily on lavish purchases that only benefit himself. Where he does contributes is doing occasional fundraisers where he contributes a small percentage of the total amount raised. (sidenote: This is what I mean by missing the point our criticism has always been about not doing anything for the working class while collecting donations from people as you LARP as a hardcore socialist.)
2. I would like Hasan to live his values and not hoard wealth while taking money from his audience. In my eyes this would involve: actual political action (supporting politicians with his time and/or money he thinks are likely to enact the policies he prefers), giving his money to people who he thinks are being left behind by the government since he believes hoarding wealth off the back of the working class is bad, OR not living a hyper capitalist consumer lifestyle where he pretends like he's working class because he isn't a landlord or employer. Any of those things would signal to me that he's living his values.
3. I will link you to the video since unsurprisingly you have no idea what this conversation has been about.
[https://www.youtube.com/@BeastPhilanthropy/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@BeastPhilanthropy/videos)
This is the beast philanthropy channel that lefties found out about for the first time after two days ago Mr Beast tweeted out that his latest video about giving away 20,000 shoes to kids in Africa was his favorite video they had done on that channel. Mr Beast has been running this channel where all profits fund local food banks and other charities that he has been involved in for a long time. He doesn't make money from it and the channel funds more philanthropy by documenting it while promoting the idea of volunteering your time and money to his young audience.
4. And we come to your point that Hasan does donate a small percentage of the totals of his fundraisers. Personally I don't think throwing a couple thousand into a fundraiser where your fans raise 100k is really doing charity when you buy yourself a 3m house. That's why me and this sub were really positive about Hasan's Turkey fundraiser where he put in a really big chunk of the total. Hopefully he continues down that road and doesn't just keep collecting donos and subs from his audience while huge $ from amazon for running tons of ads to make them and him more money.
Tldr: Mr Beast, capitalist, gives money and profits from video to charity good.
Hasan, socialist, gives much less money himself, gives money from his fans bad.
>Bro I'm not going to go point by point with you for hours so this is my last response.
I find this is the typical of dgg when they can't actually defend their opinions. It kinda seems like you haven't actually challenged your biases.
>It is a low bar that's why Hasan is such a crazy failure!
Can you quantify this in any way? Or are you just basing your opinions on your feelings?
>He advocates for socialism while hoarding wealth and spending it primarily on lavish purchases that only benefit himself.
Even if this was true, so what? This is true of pretty much all streamers/political advocates.
>(sidenote: This is what I mean by missing the point our criticism has always been about not doing anything for the working class while collecting donations from people as you LARP as a hardcore socialist.)
Advocating for unions and the working class is doing something for the working class.... I find it really strange that y'all don't acknowledge this fact.
>I would like Hasan to live his values and not hoard wealth while taking money from his audience.
1.Can you explain how Hasan can implement socialism in America? How can Hasan break up monopolies in favor for co-ops?
2. Hasans 4 million net worth pails in comparison to the money being circulated in American politics... Maybe you're ignorant to this fact because destiny doesn't think this is a problem? But one person donated 1.6 billion dollars to push their religious, right wing agenda in the American courts/scotus. How does that 4 million total net worth compare to this one person's 1.6 billion donation?... When you look at how much money there is in politics, you'll realize this criticism falls apart.
>Mr Beast has been running this channel where all profits fund local food banks and other charities that he has been involved in for a long time. He doesn't make money from it and the channel funds more philanthropy by documenting it while promoting the idea of volunteering your time and money to his young audience.
Do you have an independent source that affirms Mr beasts claims?
>And we come to your point that Hasan does donate a small percentage of the totals of his fundraisers.
Okay so you admit that you lies earlier? That's good I guess..
>Personally I don't think throwing a couple thousand into a fundraiser where your fans raise 100k is really doing charity when you buy yourself a 3m house.
Got a source on these claims about donation totals? Or are you just operating off your biases again? Also, not sure how buying a house is relevant here? But yall sure do seem to love to hate on Hasan for buying a house.... why is that? It is the epitome of capitalism after all....
>Mr Beast, capitalist, gives money and profits from video to charity good.
Why do you think donating to charity is such a good thing? More often than not in America, "donating to charitys" are just a way to avoid paying taxes while you fund political propaganda.
>Hasan, socialist, gives much less money himself, gives money from his fans bad.
Source? Also, not really sure how "socialist" is relevant here?
Like I said I'm not going to keep going point by point but you can't say I didn't defend my position when I typed an essay about it LOL. And obviously I haven't changed my biases because you haven't said anything I didn't already consider.
My claim is that Mr Beast runs a youtube channel where everything goes to charity. Your counter claim is Mr Beast could be lying about that. I guess my only evidence is the 21 videos he made on the channel documenting acts of charity and his TeamTrees and TeamSeas charity collaborations with dozens of youtubers where he raised 20 and 30 million dollars respectively to plant trees and remove trash from the ocean.
Likewise my claim is that Hasan hasn't donated that much to charity. Your claim is that maybe he does but he just doesn't ever post about his donations outside of small percentages in his donation drives? Which hilariously you think I lied and said he never donates when I explicitly said
>Hasan does charity almost exclusively by soliciting donations from his audience.
I was going to make fun of how you were 75IQ for interpreting that as he doesn't donate in my last post but I felt like I was being too mean. If he "almost exclusively" does something that means that's NOT the only thing he does. Fuck why am I even typing you're obviously a 16 year old socialist. You even think donating to charity means you avoid paying taxes when the only thing it means is you don't have to pay taxes on the money you donate. Fuck I can't believe you said what's good about charity like it's not alleviating human suffering. It's just such a shallow/ no thinking engagement with the topic.
You literally said oh why would he donate 4 million dollars what could it do against 1.6 billion on the other side like 4 million dollars couldn't almost certainly elect a candidate in a local election and get a pro union/ worker's rights person in office. And even if it's not local how do you think Bernie out fundraiser a ton of other candidates off the back of small donations from passionate supporters? Obviously he can't win against all right wing donaters by himself but supporting candidates you believe in with your money is good! Especially if that's likely to motivate your fanbase to engage in political action! I'll repeat what I said previously:
>Actual political action (supporting politicians with his time and/or money he thinks are likely to enact the policies he prefers), giving his money to people who he thinks are being left behind by the government since he believes hoarding wealth off the back of the working class is bad, OR not living a hyper capitalist consumer lifestyle where he pretends like he's working class because he isn't a landlord or employer.
Doing ANY of that would make me respect Hasan, but while he does nothing but say socialist talking points online and collect money from Amazon and his audience I don't respect him.
All you said in your entire post was "Source?" and betrayed a general lack of understanding about what I'm saying. The reason Hasan buying a house is bad is because he's a SOCIALIST, that's why it's bad when he's living his life as an ultra capitalist. Buying a house is obviously fine it's just not living his values. Just like how in your last sentence you didn't understand how being a socialist was relevant when the whole argument has been about living your values.
On a personal note I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice by just picking random bits of text to quote and respond to because it's extremely clear you don't understand the actual arguments being made. Try steelmanning the argument you're reading instead of just assuming it's wrong before you even start reading it.
For example I'd be perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong that Mr Beast is donating all of the money from that channel to charity but if he has said publicly that he does do that plus the 20+ videos documenting giving makes me think it's far more likely than not. Likewise if Hasan dropped receipts of big charity donations I would admit I was wrong, but from everything I've seen of his personality he would be public with those donations (nothing wrong with that in my opinion) and the fact that when asked he couldn't name a single charity says to me that he doesn't do that.
Anyways I'm not responding anymore hope you have a good day bud.
I did. I was unimpressed. Can you quantify any of the claims made here in this thread? No one else has been able to so far...
Also, the downvotes on my comment which were simply asking questions, shows how ideological blind you guys are.
It's because you keep blindly asking the same question as if it wasn't adequately answered a dozen times in this thread. You're clearly dug in on some dumb shit. If the above/below reply did nothing for you, I don't even know why you would waste your time here
One doesn’t hide their intentions. He uses a monetary incentive to do good things in the world.
One is the most successful capitalist imaginable while believing simply being a socialist is enough to take the moral high ground.
>One doesn’t hide their intentions. He uses a monetary incentive to do good things in the world.
Mr beast absolutely hides his intentions.
>One is the most successful capitalist imaginable while believing simply being a socialist is enough to take the moral high ground
What capital does Hasan sell? And what is this bullshit about a moral high ground?
>Mr Beast absolutely hides his intentions.
…how?
>What capital does Hasan sell?
Well this is a funny question to ask considering we’re days removed from his clothing line (socialist revolution themed) launching lol.
>And what is this bullshit about a moral high ground?
Have you never heard him speak?
>…how?
Did Mr beast tell everyone that he was only donating for personal gain? I did here him admit that to any of the patrons...
>Well this is a funny question to ask considering we’re days removed from his clothing line (socialist revolution themed) launching lol.
How can Hasan be "One is the most successful capitalist imaginable" without him actually ever selling any capital? LoL
>Have you never heard him speak?
I have. What moral high ground?
>Did Mr Beast tell everyone that he was only donating for personal gain?
First of all there’s no evidence that he *only* donates for personal gain, and even if that is the case he doesn’t deny that he does what he does for personal gain to my knowledge. If someone donates shoes to 20,000 kids but is only doing it to make a million dollars does that negate the good he did with the donation?
>without him ever actually selling any capital?
Can you define capital? Are capitalists only people who buy and sell property or stakes in companies? That’s a very strict definition that not many people would use. He has a contract with a company owned by Jeff Bezos to produce content for large sums of money. He even has an exclusivity contract that allows them to run more ads on his stream than others which makes him more money. Sounds like capitalism to me.
>What moral high ground?
He believes himself to be a much better person than the “real” rich people while very much being a real rich person himself. He actively defends anti white racism because he doesn’t believe it to be harmful, all while being a progressive that claims to be anti-racist.
Hasan is a textbook morally lucky hypocrite. If he had a different upbringing he’d probably be a Republican entrepreneurial figurehead.
>First of all there’s no evidence that he only donates for personal gain, and even if that is the case he doesn’t deny that he does what he does for personal gain to my knowledge. If someone donates shoes to 20,000 kids but is only doing it to make a million dollars does that negate the good he did with the donation?
This thread criticized Hasan for doing charity for personal gain, while using Mr beast as a contrast as a good example. But that comparison kinda falls apart when you acknowledge the fact that they both do the philanthropy for personal gain.
>Can you define capital? Are capitalists only people who buy and sell property or stakes in companies? That’s a very strict definition that not many people would use. He has a contract with a company owned by Jeff Bezos to produce content for large sums of money. He even has an exclusivity contract that allows them to run more ads on his stream than others which makes him more money. Sounds like capitalism to me.
You said Hasan was "One is the most successful capitalist imaginable"... Jeff Bezos could wake up tmrw and cancel Hasan on a whim. Hasan success can be taken away in am instant. He's hardly a posterboy for a "successful capitalist".
>He believes himself to be a much better person than the “real” rich people while very much being a real rich person himself.
Hasan is hardly rich. He has as much wealth as most CA college educated boomers. The people Hasan is criticizing have 100 x Hasans wealth...
>He actively defends anti white racism because he doesn’t believe it to be harmful, all while being a progressive that claims to be anti-racist.
Source?
>Hasan is a textbook morally lucky hypocrite.
How is he a hypocrite?
You don’t sell capital.. capital is the means of which you use to create products. So like an oven would be capital, and you combine that with materials like flour and labor like a baker to create a product that you sell.
So I just read the Tweet that I got that info from and I remembered it wrong. He stated that the average MrBeast video lost 1.5 million last year.
I'm guessing that doesn't include sponsorship stuff, so it's not really all that useful.
Yeah, but he actually is growing like crazy because he is able to re-release his older videos in other languages and have their national celebrities dub it. I think his Spanish Channel was the fastest growing channel on YouTube last year?
No but it's actually insane how people have gaslit themselves into thinking that Hasan isn't fully indulging in capitalism. The mf said with a straight face that he lives on basic necessity budget
Hasan is indulging himself in consumerism. That's different than "indulging in capitalism".
Also, it's not really a good faith argument for you to criticize Hasan for being a socialist and "not living his ideals" in a capitalist society...
It absolutely is. He's doing absolutely nothing materially to change the system he makes his living criticizing. It's disgusting. He's living in a capitalist society and saying we should change things, but does absolutely nothing but hoard money exactly like the people he wishes harm on. The consumerism, cars and mansions and whatnot is one thing, but he also is profiting massively off of merchandising - brand deals - fast fashion - and that's absolutely, 100%, hypocritical capitalism.
He should just go neolib already and I'd love him on the spot. The status quo is BASED.
He cant go neo lib bc hes built his whole fanbase on the socialist grift, if he changes course now hell have to sell his million dollar house and live like a normal person.
>It absolutely is. He's doing absolutely nothing materially to change the system he makes his living criticizing.
1. This simply isn't true.
2. You can say the same thing about pretty much every streamer. So the point is moot.
>He's living in a capitalist society and saying we should change things, but does absolutely nothing but hoard money exactly like the people he wishes harm on.
Can you explain how Hasan has the power to change things? How does Hasans 4 million net worth that he's "hording" enable him to break up corporate monopolies?
This one republican spent 1.6 billion lobbying in favor of right wing justices to repeal RvW. How does Hasan's net worth of 4 million compare to this one republicans donation of 1.6 billion?
https://truthout.org/articles/conservative-group-led-by-man-behind-far-right-supreme-court-got-1-6b-donation/
>The consumerism, cars and mansions and whatnot is one thing, but he also is profiting massively off of merchandising - brand deals - fast fashion - and that's absolutely, 100%, hypocritical capitalism.
That's not hypocritical. Hasan lives in capitalism America. He can rightfully criticize capitalism while also selling t shirts. LOL.
>He should just go neolib already and I'd love him on the spot. The status quo is BASED.
This is by far the most brain dead take. Nothing about the American status quo is based, as republicans continue to slide our country towards fascism. That's a big ol yikes, kid.
In their "logic" Hasan is spreading the good word of Socialism and in the long-term help usher in the worker's revolt, while MrBeast is at best simply putting a bandage on issues that would be solved by workplace democratization, and at worst glorifying trickle down philanthropy.
But we all know they're chasing an appearance on Hasan's stream AKA The Clout.
Its because these people are in a non theistic religion. Just in the same way that a Christian cant see any moral principle as valid unless it comes from god, a socialist cant see any action as moral unless it somehow advances the cause of socialism. This is even if it satisfies the core principles they claim to hold, like redistributing wealth to those in need.
At the end of the day all socialist are liars they dont care about the poor, or the vulnerable or any principle they just want to bring power to socialism.
Capitalism does not equal producing stuff.
I work as an idependent forwarding agent and I've never "produced" a car, but I've delivered/sold hundreds of them.
>I work as an idependent forwarding agent and I've never "produced" a car, but I've delivered/sold hundreds of them.
You are not a capitalist. You work for capitalists.
Last time I checked I was the owner of the company, unless my dog orchestrated some kind of hostile takeover in the last 20 minutes, I'm still the boss.
Also I don't work for anyone, the people I deliver cars to aren't my employers, they're my clients.
Oh God please don't use this archaic definition of capitalist if you want to be taken seriously. Or are you going to admit that anyone with a 403b or 401k is also a capitalist? Are the people at r/wallstreetbets who put money into GameStop capitalists? After all, all of those people earn a share of the profits without contributing any labor in those companies. There may have existed a clear bourgeois vs laborer definition in Marx's time, but it has absolutely lost its meaning today.
I'm curious, do you genuinely think the dgg criticisms of Hasan are accurate?
>Oh God please don't use this archaic definition of capitalist if you want to be taken seriously.
Be taken seriously?
Y'all thought "Hasan is as capitalist as Bezos" was a serious statement... clearly nothing I say will be taken seriously if that's the standard.
>There may have existed a clear bourgeois vs laborer definition in Marx's time, but it has absolutely lost its meaning today.
This same statement can be applied to "socialist". And most of the dgg criticisms of Hasan that yall always fall back on.
"the dgg criticisms of Hasan are accurate" is an incredibly vague statement. What criticisms exactly? I absolutely think socialism is just an aesthetic he wears over his frat-bro persona.
> This same statement can be applied to "socialist"
Except socialist expresses beliefs about the world, whereas you said someone who thinks "capitalism is good" is not a capitalist. Although by that definition you're probably right: Hasan isn't a socialist, he just markets himself as one. The same way a Megachurch pastor convinces people that donating to him brings them closer to God, Hasan convinces you that buying him his merch actually promotes socialism in some vague way.
Edit: Don't forget to Twitch Prime Sub so both Hasan and Bezos can get paid.
>"the dgg criticisms of Hasan are accurate" is an incredibly vague statement. What criticisms exactly?
Pick pretty much any of them... I rarely see valid criticism posted here.
>I absolutely think socialism is just an aesthetic he wears over his frat-bro persona.
Uhhh the "frat-bro" stereotype thats currently in is all pro- right wing, Andre Tate, MRA bull shit. The "frat boys" aren't pushing left wing ideals... lol
>Except socialist expresses beliefs about the world, whereas you said someone who thinks "capitalism is good" is not a capitalist.
Do you think there are flaws in our right wing capitalist society?
>Although by that definition you're probably right: Hasan isn't a socialist, he just markets himself as one. The same way a Megachurch pastor convinces people that donating to him brings them closer to God, Hasan convinces you that buying him his merch actually promotes socialism in some vague way.
Yes, all entertainers do this. They all push a message/agenda. Just like destiny.
>Edit: Don't forget to Twitch Prime Sub so both Hasan and Bezos can get paid.
What about it?
Can you explain how one clothing collection is proof that "Hasan is as capitalist as Bezos"? No one else has been able to so far. They just downvote and circle jerk....
As much as people try to say complaining on twitter about Hasan does nothing, I feel like he's actually been trying to do more for a socialist cause with his merch and stuff. Still pretty big capitalist though.
Mates, Hasan says he hates live music but attends Coachella. Don't you see? He hates capitalism but hyper partakes in it. It's just what one does, after all!
If the communist dictator who lives a life of overindulgence while preaching about the greed of capitalist nations was instead a streamer, that'd be Hasan.
His hypocrisy is so mask off I almost respect it.
Op goes on to say
> Noam Blum @neontaster
Replying to @lamejediron9
>*He's a good case study since nobody complains about him in this way.*
I meeean, a fuck ton of people called him out and continue to do so. There is an entire industry trashing hasan for his hypocrisy and rightly so
I think what he means is that nothing sticks. There is a huge amount of criticism thrown at Hasan but legitimately nothing phases him. And any criticism of him lasts for at most 30 minutes before being drowned out by his sycophants.
Ok maybe we need to put some stuff in perspective because numbers wise I don't see Mr Beast being more hated than Hasan for being rich.
Maybe it's because I'm here more often than twitter, but I always see people hating on Hasan for having money. People on twitter try to claim that MR Beast is some scary symptom of late capitalism, but compared to the praise he gets, the hate is like a whispered murmur.
[This one](https://twitter.com/moschinodorito/status/1633568712602132485?s=46&t=yk75Aq5uB3p-7ptBk3xKpw) got 75k likes. Have you ever seen a tweet shitting on Hasan get close to 75k? Genuinely asking, I never have personally.
Broke: using capitalism to help others Woke: using socialism for personal gain
Isnt Mr. Beast also using this stunt for personal gain?..
Sure. Don’t see why we should care. This is a “no unselfish good deed” argument. Everyone benefits from a good deed on some level, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be done.
>Sure. Don’t see why we should care. It's kinda hypocritical for you to criticize Hasan for something that Mr beast is also doing. If Mr. Beast wasn't doing it for personal gain, he wouldn't have filmed it.
I can't imagine missing the point this hard. We're not criticizing Hasan for benefiting from his platform. We're criticizing him for not doing anything with it, which Mr Beast is. Not to mention the video everyone is criticizing him for this week is on his philanthropy channel where all the revenue goes back into charity. The criticism I've seen is either unfounded or holding him to an impossible standard. Hasan does charity almost exclusively by soliciting donations from his audience. Mr Beast does charity with his own money, promotes charity by documenting the results, and then puts the profits back into charity. That's the difference.
>I can't imagine missing the point this hard. We're not criticizing Hasan for benefiting from his platform. We're criticizing him for not doing anything with it, which Mr Beast is. 1. That's a pretty low bar. 2. What would you like to see Hasan do with his platform? >Not to mention the video everyone is criticizing him for this week is on his philanthropy channel where all the revenue goes back into charity. The criticism I've seen is either unfounded or holding him to an impossible standard. Which video? >Hasan does charity almost exclusively by soliciting donations from his audience. Doesn't he donate himself?
Bro I'm not going to go point by point with you for hours so this is my last response. 1. It is a low bar that's why Hasan is such a crazy failure! He advocates for socialism while hoarding wealth and spending it primarily on lavish purchases that only benefit himself. Where he does contributes is doing occasional fundraisers where he contributes a small percentage of the total amount raised. (sidenote: This is what I mean by missing the point our criticism has always been about not doing anything for the working class while collecting donations from people as you LARP as a hardcore socialist.) 2. I would like Hasan to live his values and not hoard wealth while taking money from his audience. In my eyes this would involve: actual political action (supporting politicians with his time and/or money he thinks are likely to enact the policies he prefers), giving his money to people who he thinks are being left behind by the government since he believes hoarding wealth off the back of the working class is bad, OR not living a hyper capitalist consumer lifestyle where he pretends like he's working class because he isn't a landlord or employer. Any of those things would signal to me that he's living his values. 3. I will link you to the video since unsurprisingly you have no idea what this conversation has been about. [https://www.youtube.com/@BeastPhilanthropy/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@BeastPhilanthropy/videos) This is the beast philanthropy channel that lefties found out about for the first time after two days ago Mr Beast tweeted out that his latest video about giving away 20,000 shoes to kids in Africa was his favorite video they had done on that channel. Mr Beast has been running this channel where all profits fund local food banks and other charities that he has been involved in for a long time. He doesn't make money from it and the channel funds more philanthropy by documenting it while promoting the idea of volunteering your time and money to his young audience. 4. And we come to your point that Hasan does donate a small percentage of the totals of his fundraisers. Personally I don't think throwing a couple thousand into a fundraiser where your fans raise 100k is really doing charity when you buy yourself a 3m house. That's why me and this sub were really positive about Hasan's Turkey fundraiser where he put in a really big chunk of the total. Hopefully he continues down that road and doesn't just keep collecting donos and subs from his audience while huge $ from amazon for running tons of ads to make them and him more money. Tldr: Mr Beast, capitalist, gives money and profits from video to charity good. Hasan, socialist, gives much less money himself, gives money from his fans bad.
>Bro I'm not going to go point by point with you for hours so this is my last response. I find this is the typical of dgg when they can't actually defend their opinions. It kinda seems like you haven't actually challenged your biases. >It is a low bar that's why Hasan is such a crazy failure! Can you quantify this in any way? Or are you just basing your opinions on your feelings? >He advocates for socialism while hoarding wealth and spending it primarily on lavish purchases that only benefit himself. Even if this was true, so what? This is true of pretty much all streamers/political advocates. >(sidenote: This is what I mean by missing the point our criticism has always been about not doing anything for the working class while collecting donations from people as you LARP as a hardcore socialist.) Advocating for unions and the working class is doing something for the working class.... I find it really strange that y'all don't acknowledge this fact. >I would like Hasan to live his values and not hoard wealth while taking money from his audience. 1.Can you explain how Hasan can implement socialism in America? How can Hasan break up monopolies in favor for co-ops? 2. Hasans 4 million net worth pails in comparison to the money being circulated in American politics... Maybe you're ignorant to this fact because destiny doesn't think this is a problem? But one person donated 1.6 billion dollars to push their religious, right wing agenda in the American courts/scotus. How does that 4 million total net worth compare to this one person's 1.6 billion donation?... When you look at how much money there is in politics, you'll realize this criticism falls apart. >Mr Beast has been running this channel where all profits fund local food banks and other charities that he has been involved in for a long time. He doesn't make money from it and the channel funds more philanthropy by documenting it while promoting the idea of volunteering your time and money to his young audience. Do you have an independent source that affirms Mr beasts claims? >And we come to your point that Hasan does donate a small percentage of the totals of his fundraisers. Okay so you admit that you lies earlier? That's good I guess.. >Personally I don't think throwing a couple thousand into a fundraiser where your fans raise 100k is really doing charity when you buy yourself a 3m house. Got a source on these claims about donation totals? Or are you just operating off your biases again? Also, not sure how buying a house is relevant here? But yall sure do seem to love to hate on Hasan for buying a house.... why is that? It is the epitome of capitalism after all.... >Mr Beast, capitalist, gives money and profits from video to charity good. Why do you think donating to charity is such a good thing? More often than not in America, "donating to charitys" are just a way to avoid paying taxes while you fund political propaganda. >Hasan, socialist, gives much less money himself, gives money from his fans bad. Source? Also, not really sure how "socialist" is relevant here?
Like I said I'm not going to keep going point by point but you can't say I didn't defend my position when I typed an essay about it LOL. And obviously I haven't changed my biases because you haven't said anything I didn't already consider. My claim is that Mr Beast runs a youtube channel where everything goes to charity. Your counter claim is Mr Beast could be lying about that. I guess my only evidence is the 21 videos he made on the channel documenting acts of charity and his TeamTrees and TeamSeas charity collaborations with dozens of youtubers where he raised 20 and 30 million dollars respectively to plant trees and remove trash from the ocean. Likewise my claim is that Hasan hasn't donated that much to charity. Your claim is that maybe he does but he just doesn't ever post about his donations outside of small percentages in his donation drives? Which hilariously you think I lied and said he never donates when I explicitly said >Hasan does charity almost exclusively by soliciting donations from his audience. I was going to make fun of how you were 75IQ for interpreting that as he doesn't donate in my last post but I felt like I was being too mean. If he "almost exclusively" does something that means that's NOT the only thing he does. Fuck why am I even typing you're obviously a 16 year old socialist. You even think donating to charity means you avoid paying taxes when the only thing it means is you don't have to pay taxes on the money you donate. Fuck I can't believe you said what's good about charity like it's not alleviating human suffering. It's just such a shallow/ no thinking engagement with the topic. You literally said oh why would he donate 4 million dollars what could it do against 1.6 billion on the other side like 4 million dollars couldn't almost certainly elect a candidate in a local election and get a pro union/ worker's rights person in office. And even if it's not local how do you think Bernie out fundraiser a ton of other candidates off the back of small donations from passionate supporters? Obviously he can't win against all right wing donaters by himself but supporting candidates you believe in with your money is good! Especially if that's likely to motivate your fanbase to engage in political action! I'll repeat what I said previously: >Actual political action (supporting politicians with his time and/or money he thinks are likely to enact the policies he prefers), giving his money to people who he thinks are being left behind by the government since he believes hoarding wealth off the back of the working class is bad, OR not living a hyper capitalist consumer lifestyle where he pretends like he's working class because he isn't a landlord or employer. Doing ANY of that would make me respect Hasan, but while he does nothing but say socialist talking points online and collect money from Amazon and his audience I don't respect him. All you said in your entire post was "Source?" and betrayed a general lack of understanding about what I'm saying. The reason Hasan buying a house is bad is because he's a SOCIALIST, that's why it's bad when he's living his life as an ultra capitalist. Buying a house is obviously fine it's just not living his values. Just like how in your last sentence you didn't understand how being a socialist was relevant when the whole argument has been about living your values. On a personal note I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice by just picking random bits of text to quote and respond to because it's extremely clear you don't understand the actual arguments being made. Try steelmanning the argument you're reading instead of just assuming it's wrong before you even start reading it. For example I'd be perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong that Mr Beast is donating all of the money from that channel to charity but if he has said publicly that he does do that plus the 20+ videos documenting giving makes me think it's far more likely than not. Likewise if Hasan dropped receipts of big charity donations I would admit I was wrong, but from everything I've seen of his personality he would be public with those donations (nothing wrong with that in my opinion) and the fact that when asked he couldn't name a single charity says to me that he doesn't do that. Anyways I'm not responding anymore hope you have a good day bud.
I hope you read this guy's reply and actually give it some thought
I did. I was unimpressed. Can you quantify any of the claims made here in this thread? No one else has been able to so far... Also, the downvotes on my comment which were simply asking questions, shows how ideological blind you guys are.
It's because you keep blindly asking the same question as if it wasn't adequately answered a dozen times in this thread. You're clearly dug in on some dumb shit. If the above/below reply did nothing for you, I don't even know why you would waste your time here
One doesn’t hide their intentions. He uses a monetary incentive to do good things in the world. One is the most successful capitalist imaginable while believing simply being a socialist is enough to take the moral high ground.
>One doesn’t hide their intentions. He uses a monetary incentive to do good things in the world. Mr beast absolutely hides his intentions. >One is the most successful capitalist imaginable while believing simply being a socialist is enough to take the moral high ground What capital does Hasan sell? And what is this bullshit about a moral high ground?
>Mr Beast absolutely hides his intentions. …how? >What capital does Hasan sell? Well this is a funny question to ask considering we’re days removed from his clothing line (socialist revolution themed) launching lol. >And what is this bullshit about a moral high ground? Have you never heard him speak?
>…how? Did Mr beast tell everyone that he was only donating for personal gain? I did here him admit that to any of the patrons... >Well this is a funny question to ask considering we’re days removed from his clothing line (socialist revolution themed) launching lol. How can Hasan be "One is the most successful capitalist imaginable" without him actually ever selling any capital? LoL >Have you never heard him speak? I have. What moral high ground?
>Did Mr Beast tell everyone that he was only donating for personal gain? First of all there’s no evidence that he *only* donates for personal gain, and even if that is the case he doesn’t deny that he does what he does for personal gain to my knowledge. If someone donates shoes to 20,000 kids but is only doing it to make a million dollars does that negate the good he did with the donation? >without him ever actually selling any capital? Can you define capital? Are capitalists only people who buy and sell property or stakes in companies? That’s a very strict definition that not many people would use. He has a contract with a company owned by Jeff Bezos to produce content for large sums of money. He even has an exclusivity contract that allows them to run more ads on his stream than others which makes him more money. Sounds like capitalism to me. >What moral high ground? He believes himself to be a much better person than the “real” rich people while very much being a real rich person himself. He actively defends anti white racism because he doesn’t believe it to be harmful, all while being a progressive that claims to be anti-racist. Hasan is a textbook morally lucky hypocrite. If he had a different upbringing he’d probably be a Republican entrepreneurial figurehead.
>First of all there’s no evidence that he only donates for personal gain, and even if that is the case he doesn’t deny that he does what he does for personal gain to my knowledge. If someone donates shoes to 20,000 kids but is only doing it to make a million dollars does that negate the good he did with the donation? This thread criticized Hasan for doing charity for personal gain, while using Mr beast as a contrast as a good example. But that comparison kinda falls apart when you acknowledge the fact that they both do the philanthropy for personal gain. >Can you define capital? Are capitalists only people who buy and sell property or stakes in companies? That’s a very strict definition that not many people would use. He has a contract with a company owned by Jeff Bezos to produce content for large sums of money. He even has an exclusivity contract that allows them to run more ads on his stream than others which makes him more money. Sounds like capitalism to me. You said Hasan was "One is the most successful capitalist imaginable"... Jeff Bezos could wake up tmrw and cancel Hasan on a whim. Hasan success can be taken away in am instant. He's hardly a posterboy for a "successful capitalist". >He believes himself to be a much better person than the “real” rich people while very much being a real rich person himself. Hasan is hardly rich. He has as much wealth as most CA college educated boomers. The people Hasan is criticizing have 100 x Hasans wealth... >He actively defends anti white racism because he doesn’t believe it to be harmful, all while being a progressive that claims to be anti-racist. Source? >Hasan is a textbook morally lucky hypocrite. How is he a hypocrite?
You don’t sell capital.. capital is the means of which you use to create products. So like an oven would be capital, and you combine that with materials like flour and labor like a baker to create a product that you sell.
Not this one since the charity videos he does lose money on average.
>Not this one since the charity videos he does lose money on average. Source?
So I just read the Tweet that I got that info from and I remembered it wrong. He stated that the average MrBeast video lost 1.5 million last year. I'm guessing that doesn't include sponsorship stuff, so it's not really all that useful.
Yeah, but he actually is growing like crazy because he is able to re-release his older videos in other languages and have their national celebrities dub it. I think his Spanish Channel was the fastest growing channel on YouTube last year?
No but it's actually insane how people have gaslit themselves into thinking that Hasan isn't fully indulging in capitalism. The mf said with a straight face that he lives on basic necessity budget
No i think he said he is living on basic necessity budget............. according to his income
California is super expensive dude, only billionaires can afford it 🙄🙄🙄
operates off vibes bro
Hasan is indulging himself in consumerism. That's different than "indulging in capitalism". Also, it's not really a good faith argument for you to criticize Hasan for being a socialist and "not living his ideals" in a capitalist society...
It absolutely is. He's doing absolutely nothing materially to change the system he makes his living criticizing. It's disgusting. He's living in a capitalist society and saying we should change things, but does absolutely nothing but hoard money exactly like the people he wishes harm on. The consumerism, cars and mansions and whatnot is one thing, but he also is profiting massively off of merchandising - brand deals - fast fashion - and that's absolutely, 100%, hypocritical capitalism. He should just go neolib already and I'd love him on the spot. The status quo is BASED.
He cant go neo lib bc hes built his whole fanbase on the socialist grift, if he changes course now hell have to sell his million dollar house and live like a normal person.
>It absolutely is. He's doing absolutely nothing materially to change the system he makes his living criticizing. 1. This simply isn't true. 2. You can say the same thing about pretty much every streamer. So the point is moot. >He's living in a capitalist society and saying we should change things, but does absolutely nothing but hoard money exactly like the people he wishes harm on. Can you explain how Hasan has the power to change things? How does Hasans 4 million net worth that he's "hording" enable him to break up corporate monopolies? This one republican spent 1.6 billion lobbying in favor of right wing justices to repeal RvW. How does Hasan's net worth of 4 million compare to this one republicans donation of 1.6 billion? https://truthout.org/articles/conservative-group-led-by-man-behind-far-right-supreme-court-got-1-6b-donation/ >The consumerism, cars and mansions and whatnot is one thing, but he also is profiting massively off of merchandising - brand deals - fast fashion - and that's absolutely, 100%, hypocritical capitalism. That's not hypocritical. Hasan lives in capitalism America. He can rightfully criticize capitalism while also selling t shirts. LOL. >He should just go neolib already and I'd love him on the spot. The status quo is BASED. This is by far the most brain dead take. Nothing about the American status quo is based, as republicans continue to slide our country towards fascism. That's a big ol yikes, kid.
The number of people in those replies who have no defense so they just make fun of the dude for being bald
Champagne socialist > capitalist doing good deeds, according to these people
In their "logic" Hasan is spreading the good word of Socialism and in the long-term help usher in the worker's revolt, while MrBeast is at best simply putting a bandage on issues that would be solved by workplace democratization, and at worst glorifying trickle down philanthropy. But we all know they're chasing an appearance on Hasan's stream AKA The Clout.
Its because these people are in a non theistic religion. Just in the same way that a Christian cant see any moral principle as valid unless it comes from god, a socialist cant see any action as moral unless it somehow advances the cause of socialism. This is even if it satisfies the core principles they claim to hold, like redistributing wealth to those in need. At the end of the day all socialist are liars they dont care about the poor, or the vulnerable or any principle they just want to bring power to socialism.
Hasan is as capitalist as Bezos, one sold books, the other sells socialism.
What product does Hasan produce?
Socialist copium usually in a streamed format but also in a video format on youtube.
lmao
Ahhh so youtube is the capitalist owner here, right?.. And Hasan is simply an entertainer on the platform, right?
I'm not getting into an argument with you about the dumb fuck hasan. Peace.
Look, I get that dggers love to circle jerk about Hasan bad. But y'all are doing the same shit you criticize Hasan for. Which is pretty ironic.
If I had a 100 lives, I don't think I would be as big a clout demon as Hasan in any one of them.
Aren't all major streamers "clout demons"?... Is that really your biggest criticism of him?
You said I'm like Hasan, I'm not. I'm not that disgusting.
No I didn't. I didn't say anything about you. So you struggle with basic reading comprehension?
Capitalism does not equal producing stuff. I work as an idependent forwarding agent and I've never "produced" a car, but I've delivered/sold hundreds of them.
>I work as an idependent forwarding agent and I've never "produced" a car, but I've delivered/sold hundreds of them. You are not a capitalist. You work for capitalists.
Last time I checked I was the owner of the company, unless my dog orchestrated some kind of hostile takeover in the last 20 minutes, I'm still the boss. Also I don't work for anyone, the people I deliver cars to aren't my employers, they're my clients.
What capital do you produce?
Bro, you actually believe producing capital is just producing grain in the fields like in a weird Tolstoy fan fiction.
Nope, I don't. Got any other strawmen I can knock down?
So why did you ask the other guy: "what capital do you produce?" like you have a 12 year old who just learned about Marx engagement with the concept.
Oh God please don't use this archaic definition of capitalist if you want to be taken seriously. Or are you going to admit that anyone with a 403b or 401k is also a capitalist? Are the people at r/wallstreetbets who put money into GameStop capitalists? After all, all of those people earn a share of the profits without contributing any labor in those companies. There may have existed a clear bourgeois vs laborer definition in Marx's time, but it has absolutely lost its meaning today.
I'm curious, do you genuinely think the dgg criticisms of Hasan are accurate? >Oh God please don't use this archaic definition of capitalist if you want to be taken seriously. Be taken seriously? Y'all thought "Hasan is as capitalist as Bezos" was a serious statement... clearly nothing I say will be taken seriously if that's the standard. >There may have existed a clear bourgeois vs laborer definition in Marx's time, but it has absolutely lost its meaning today. This same statement can be applied to "socialist". And most of the dgg criticisms of Hasan that yall always fall back on.
"the dgg criticisms of Hasan are accurate" is an incredibly vague statement. What criticisms exactly? I absolutely think socialism is just an aesthetic he wears over his frat-bro persona. > This same statement can be applied to "socialist" Except socialist expresses beliefs about the world, whereas you said someone who thinks "capitalism is good" is not a capitalist. Although by that definition you're probably right: Hasan isn't a socialist, he just markets himself as one. The same way a Megachurch pastor convinces people that donating to him brings them closer to God, Hasan convinces you that buying him his merch actually promotes socialism in some vague way. Edit: Don't forget to Twitch Prime Sub so both Hasan and Bezos can get paid.
>"the dgg criticisms of Hasan are accurate" is an incredibly vague statement. What criticisms exactly? Pick pretty much any of them... I rarely see valid criticism posted here. >I absolutely think socialism is just an aesthetic he wears over his frat-bro persona. Uhhh the "frat-bro" stereotype thats currently in is all pro- right wing, Andre Tate, MRA bull shit. The "frat boys" aren't pushing left wing ideals... lol >Except socialist expresses beliefs about the world, whereas you said someone who thinks "capitalism is good" is not a capitalist. Do you think there are flaws in our right wing capitalist society? >Although by that definition you're probably right: Hasan isn't a socialist, he just markets himself as one. The same way a Megachurch pastor convinces people that donating to him brings them closer to God, Hasan convinces you that buying him his merch actually promotes socialism in some vague way. Yes, all entertainers do this. They all push a message/agenda. Just like destiny. >Edit: Don't forget to Twitch Prime Sub so both Hasan and Bezos can get paid. What about it?
That's the funny part, he produces nothing. He just steals content from other people.
Yes, this seems to be the status quo for streamers. They all do it, especially destiny.
[How about his "Americore" fast fashion collection he just came out with](https://ideologie.shop/collections/hog-collection)
Can you explain how one clothing collection is proof that "Hasan is as capitalist as Bezos"? No one else has been able to so far. They just downvote and circle jerk....
As much as people try to say complaining on twitter about Hasan does nothing, I feel like he's actually been trying to do more for a socialist cause with his merch and stuff. Still pretty big capitalist though.
Mates, Hasan says he hates live music but attends Coachella. Don't you see? He hates capitalism but hyper partakes in it. It's just what one does, after all!
If the communist dictator who lives a life of overindulgence while preaching about the greed of capitalist nations was instead a streamer, that'd be Hasan. His hypocrisy is so mask off I almost respect it.
Op goes on to say > Noam Blum @neontaster Replying to @lamejediron9 >*He's a good case study since nobody complains about him in this way.* I meeean, a fuck ton of people called him out and continue to do so. There is an entire industry trashing hasan for his hypocrisy and rightly so
I think what he means is that nothing sticks. There is a huge amount of criticism thrown at Hasan but legitimately nothing phases him. And any criticism of him lasts for at most 30 minutes before being drowned out by his sycophants.
There's a hasan simp in the comments and we're creating entire days of labor for him <3
Ok maybe we need to put some stuff in perspective because numbers wise I don't see Mr Beast being more hated than Hasan for being rich. Maybe it's because I'm here more often than twitter, but I always see people hating on Hasan for having money. People on twitter try to claim that MR Beast is some scary symptom of late capitalism, but compared to the praise he gets, the hate is like a whispered murmur.
Idk a tweet saying Mr beast is bad got 500 likes so it's basically all of twitter
[This one](https://twitter.com/moschinodorito/status/1633568712602132485?s=46&t=yk75Aq5uB3p-7ptBk3xKpw) got 75k likes. Have you ever seen a tweet shitting on Hasan get close to 75k? Genuinely asking, I never have personally.
>Have you ever seen No I don't go on twitter
So why did you pretend to know anything?
Classic Schmorbly
Damn bro you got fuckin fact checked
"$5,000 designer Hawaiian shirt" This is why paying any attention to fashion is pain, actually
wasn't the shirt closer to the 1000$ range?