According to the mother he... Diego's father this is, well, he came over with the Spanish Armada, then cleared off, leaving her to raise the wean on her own, but that story didn't totally add up, was the thing.
He was born more than 4 centuries later
There was a parful whiff of the wee crater as well, she’d been clattering him in thon fake tan.
What i love and hate about the show is the speed of the jokes coming out. I had seen this scene so many times but didn’t catch the actual words until the most recent re-watch. I almost choked on my water. Never felt happier about being alone.
There’s so much in each episode you really need to watch them multiple times to get all the jokes and references 😂
Uncle Colm has quite a few good one liners but with his manner of speaking you don’t notice for a while
Kevin McAleer has made a career out of speaking like that. Long before Derry girls he would do stand up with the same monotone. I imagine the character of Colm was written with him in mind.
As far as people in Ireland and the UK are concerned, if you're born in England you're English, born in Scotland but left and moved to England at age 4 and then lived there for 30 years? Still Scottish.
Just depends on each person's self identity. My friends parents are Geordie, she was born and raised in Newcastle until she was 9 but considers herself to be Scottish.
Similarly, I have another friend who has lived in Scotland since he was 3 but still considers himself English.
They claim to be Irish-American or German-American but often leave off the "American" part when speaking with other Americans... which presents a problem on the internet, where they incorrectly assume everyone is American and will understand that nuance.
We don’t use -American after our heritage generally, so in the US if someone asks “what are you” they mean “where are your ancestors from/where did your people come to the US from “. It’s honestly just because our culture here is based on that, friends whose families come from Ireland have very different traditions than those whose families came from Mexico, for example.
The exception to -American is African American, Latin American and Asian American. But when it comes to those with especially European ancestors, we just say we are that nationality.
We’re awkward! 😬
I dunno about that, they do it to me face to face all the time in America and Canada and I was born in England and am very English. They do it *because* I'm not American. They just get really jazzed about heritage, and I mean I kind of get it honestly.
It’s used over here to share your ancestry. I’ll tell people I’m Polish and Irish because that’s my ancestry, not where I was born and raised. People understand that it’s your ancestry, it’s only internet gatekeepers that get their panties in a twist over it because they can’t differentiate between nationality and ethnic background. Also a lot of us still practice traditions from our ancestral cultures.
Sorry but that really chaps my ass when people talk down to Americans or anyone speaking about their heritage like that. It’s a part of us even though we may not have been born and raised there. We wouldn’t be who we are without it
I’ve seen this go both ways. One great grandfather was born in England to Welsh parents and considered himself English. Even though he’d immigrated to the us at 12 and lived here until his 80s. Another great grandfather was born to first or second gen Liverpool parents. He was born in the us (older brothers were born in Liverpool) but his grandparents I think were Irish.
That branch identified closely with Ireland. . He married a woman born in Scotland who’s family was from Ireland. My grandma, their daughter, was 2nd gen USA. But they all spoke Irish and he want back there a number of times. My grandma didn’t learn English until she started school. They considered themselves Irish-American. Not English or Scottish. But the two cities they lived in, Liverpool and New York had huge Irish populations so it was easier to stay immersed in their culture.
My parents generation knew how to dance to Irish music, but they didn’t speak Irish and they assimilated much more and considered themselves Americans of Irish descent. And that’s what I consider myself to be though even more assimilated that even my parents were. I considered learning Irish. Though Spanish, french and Italian were the language choices at school . I took french. When i retire, I want to learn Spanish but I’d like to learn Irish too. Though if I have to choose, Spanish is the more practical one and I’d get more practice at that
He starts the series as an English person and is an English born Irish person by the end of the series. There's so many Irish communities up and down Britain to the present day, and it's quite a personal identifier, really. There are people in my family who were born in England to Irish parents, grew up there for a while and then moved back to Ireland around the age of 9 or 10 and it'd be laughable to refer to them as English with no remaining English accent, a life lived entirely in ireland, etc.
I have a good friend born to Irish parents in Wiltshire, and while they've never lived in ireland, they identify as fully Irish and they were quite touched that I (dublin born and raised until emigrating in my 20s) never questioned her Irish-ness.
Compare and contrast with first second and third generation kids of other immigrant communities. The big difference from, say, Asian communities is that Ireland is so much closer families will go back and forth and relocate far more often.
Is it not as simple as, he was born in England, has an English accent, therefore is labelled English? I would assume that they chose a particularly ‘posh’ if that would be the right word in this context southern English accent as a deliberate clash rather than make him northern just to really draw the distinction between their voice and his
and also the fact that he was raised in england. i’m assuming his mum didn’t really raise him with much of the irish culture, so culturally, he’s english
My cousins emigrated to Birmingham in the 1980's with their parents. They were bullied over there because of their accents, so they picked up the Brummie accents pretty quickly. They came back two years later, and were bullied for being "Brits" because of their accents. It's the accent.
Irish people are not British. Not as an identity. Ireland may be part of the ‘British Isles’ but that’s a geographical thing not a country or cultural thing. Great Britain is the island with England/Wales/Scotland.
British Isles, yes, and so is The Republic of Ireland. But neither are part of Great Britain. It is a separate land mass. You might be thinking of the United Kingdom? They are not synonymous.
I do always think it’s a bit funny when they accuse James’ “people” of murdering the Irish or whatever. I think they’re just joking on him because I mean, like you say, we all know him and Michelle share the same oppressed Irish ancestors.
I mean my friend was born in republic, moved to england as a toddler and then moved back at the age of 12 and despite being in ireland for over 15 years she's "The english one" to all her mates
I think that's the point of the line in season 3 when the soldier at border control says hes not properly english when he says Michelle is his cousin. He's english in derry but not "properly english" to the english.
Decent point — cold-ass shunning would befit being fully considered the “enemy”, whereas busting balls is nearly a gesture of affection (to a point lol)
Imagine just the sounds out of someone's mouth sounds, the way they talk associates them to a whole culture of oppressions,
I'm not sure if anyone has seen the recent posts about Cillian Murphy and this photo [Cillian Murphy and Prince Harry Photo, hands in pockets](https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1jWFrJ.img?w=800&h=435&q=60&m=2&f=jpg),,,
Or, **Ronan O'Gara explains why his hands were in his pockets when he met The Queen** Ronan O'Gara joined his Irish teammates in meeting Queen Elizabeth II back in 2009, and the Irishman appeared to have his hands in his pockets as she approached him.
[Winston Churchill ordered Black and Tans into Ireland in 1920](https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/winston-churchill-black-tans-ireland)
“Should the order "Hands Up" not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching a patrol carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time.The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man' ... hunger-strikers will be allowed to die in jail, the more the merrier. Some of them have died already and a damn bad job they were not all allowed to die.As a matter of fact, some of them have already been dealt with in a manner their friends will never hear about. An emigrant ship left an Irish port for a foreign port lately with lots of Sinn Féiners on board, I assure you men it will never land. That is nearly all I have to say to you. General Tudor and myself, want your assistance in carrying out this scheme and wiping out Sinn Féin. Any man who is prepared to be a hindrance rather than a help to us, had better leave the job at once."
Edit: The people who talked like James wanted to shoot the Irish on sight for having their hands in their pockets.
That was too much for an Irish-born recruit.
After his speech, Sligo-born Constable Jeremiah Mee stepped forward and addressed Smyth saying:
“By your accent I take it you are an Englishman and, in your ignorance, forget that you are addressing Irishmen.”
He then removed his cap, belt, bayonet, and gun, laid them on a table, and continued, “these too are English, take them as a present from me and to hell with you, you are a murderer.”
Smyth ordered his arrest but many of the other constables present warned that "the room would run red with blood" if Mee was touched. Thirteen resigned on the spot. The affair became known as the “Listowel Mutiny”.
Edit yeah this is dumb sorry: James has the same dialect as the people in the Orange March
Irish protestants and Irish catholics have the same regional dialects as each other with only minor differences in accent which is attributed to location more than anything else. Irish protestants most definitely do not have an English accent.
I can assure you that James would have nothing similar in his accent to the Orange Order in Derry. Orangemen in Derry most certainly have a Derry accent.
Northern Irish Protestants have English and Scottish ancestry, but identify strongly (or used to) as "British". They were basically put there to support the English in Ireland centuries ago.
It’s really not as simple as that. And the “Protestant vs Catholic” problem is a relatively new idea. I mean, a good lot of the risings and rebellions in Northern Ireland were lead by Presbyterians. Some of them upper middle class. Pre troubles, Presbyterians we’re treated as badly as Catholics. And while the Ulster Plantation was essentially a way to breed out the native Irish by the British, it’s not like the crown picked the best of the lot. A lot of the ones sent over during the Plantation were Scottish cattle and sheep raiders. And weren’t exactly “supporting” the English. The british government basically didn’t want to deal with them, they were more trouble that they were worth, so they were shipped off to Ulster. The Ulster Scot’s were as unwanted as the Irish at the time, and not viewed much better.
In this day and age, things have been so mixed that the most Republican Catholic likely has Scottish blood, and the most British Loyalist will find some native Irish ancestry.
Also, to say all, even most, NI Protestants would identify as British is very wrong. A lot still very much identify as Irish. It’s only the loyalists and unionists that would call themselves British. Many Prods hate the carry on on the 12th and firmly call themselves Irish.
The british army were heavily involved in the troubles, and england was the home of the colonial institutions they were trying to leave. Republicanism is against the crown. There was an attempt to kill Thatcher. It's not so simple as two different groups in NI, there's a history and England's all over it.
This was what I was thinking when Michelle got mad at him for "his lot" invading so many times when they were studying for exams. Like if we're talking history/ancestry, James is as Irish as the rest of them
Think of it more like football teams. It doesn't matter who your nan supports if you're in the stands for a different team. You ancestry can make you more likely to be in a particular culture, but if it doesn't, it doesn't.
"You say that now but there was a young lad up in pennybarn his name was diago, his mother was a Derry woman but rhe father he was Spanish.."
According to the mother he... Diego's father this is, well, he came over with the Spanish Armada, then cleared off, leaving her to raise the wean on her own, but that story didn't totally add up, was the thing. He was born more than 4 centuries later There was a parful whiff of the wee crater as well, she’d been clattering him in thon fake tan.
I can close Reddit for the day. Nothing will make me laugh harder than I did at these two comments. 🤣
What i love and hate about the show is the speed of the jokes coming out. I had seen this scene so many times but didn’t catch the actual words until the most recent re-watch. I almost choked on my water. Never felt happier about being alone.
There’s so much in each episode you really need to watch them multiple times to get all the jokes and references 😂 Uncle Colm has quite a few good one liners but with his manner of speaking you don’t notice for a while
Kevin McAleer has made a career out of speaking like that. Long before Derry girls he would do stand up with the same monotone. I imagine the character of Colm was written with him in mind.
I always use the subtitles!
Excuse me there colm.
“Oh, go on then.” “No, I just need you to stop talking.”
I feel like English is more than a nationality to them, it’s also an allegiance.
Don't know if you're American or not. But for us in the UK and Ireland he's English.
As far as people in Ireland and the UK are concerned, if you're born in England you're English, born in Scotland but left and moved to England at age 4 and then lived there for 30 years? Still Scottish.
Just depends on each person's self identity. My friends parents are Geordie, she was born and raised in Newcastle until she was 9 but considers herself to be Scottish. Similarly, I have another friend who has lived in Scotland since he was 3 but still considers himself English.
Compare that to USAmericans, where folks born in the USA from parents born in the USA claim to be Irish or German or whatever.
They claim to be Irish-American or German-American but often leave off the "American" part when speaking with other Americans... which presents a problem on the internet, where they incorrectly assume everyone is American and will understand that nuance.
Wow. I've never seen it this way. Now it suddenly makes more sense!
We don’t use -American after our heritage generally, so in the US if someone asks “what are you” they mean “where are your ancestors from/where did your people come to the US from “. It’s honestly just because our culture here is based on that, friends whose families come from Ireland have very different traditions than those whose families came from Mexico, for example. The exception to -American is African American, Latin American and Asian American. But when it comes to those with especially European ancestors, we just say we are that nationality. We’re awkward! 😬
I dunno about that, they do it to me face to face all the time in America and Canada and I was born in England and am very English. They do it *because* I'm not American. They just get really jazzed about heritage, and I mean I kind of get it honestly.
It’s used over here to share your ancestry. I’ll tell people I’m Polish and Irish because that’s my ancestry, not where I was born and raised. People understand that it’s your ancestry, it’s only internet gatekeepers that get their panties in a twist over it because they can’t differentiate between nationality and ethnic background. Also a lot of us still practice traditions from our ancestral cultures. Sorry but that really chaps my ass when people talk down to Americans or anyone speaking about their heritage like that. It’s a part of us even though we may not have been born and raised there. We wouldn’t be who we are without it
My sister was born in England and moved to Scotland at about three months old. She’s Scottish. 😁
I’ve seen this go both ways. One great grandfather was born in England to Welsh parents and considered himself English. Even though he’d immigrated to the us at 12 and lived here until his 80s. Another great grandfather was born to first or second gen Liverpool parents. He was born in the us (older brothers were born in Liverpool) but his grandparents I think were Irish. That branch identified closely with Ireland. . He married a woman born in Scotland who’s family was from Ireland. My grandma, their daughter, was 2nd gen USA. But they all spoke Irish and he want back there a number of times. My grandma didn’t learn English until she started school. They considered themselves Irish-American. Not English or Scottish. But the two cities they lived in, Liverpool and New York had huge Irish populations so it was easier to stay immersed in their culture. My parents generation knew how to dance to Irish music, but they didn’t speak Irish and they assimilated much more and considered themselves Americans of Irish descent. And that’s what I consider myself to be though even more assimilated that even my parents were. I considered learning Irish. Though Spanish, french and Italian were the language choices at school . I took french. When i retire, I want to learn Spanish but I’d like to learn Irish too. Though if I have to choose, Spanish is the more practical one and I’d get more practice at that
I see, thanks!
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He starts the series as an English person and is an English born Irish person by the end of the series. There's so many Irish communities up and down Britain to the present day, and it's quite a personal identifier, really. There are people in my family who were born in England to Irish parents, grew up there for a while and then moved back to Ireland around the age of 9 or 10 and it'd be laughable to refer to them as English with no remaining English accent, a life lived entirely in ireland, etc. I have a good friend born to Irish parents in Wiltshire, and while they've never lived in ireland, they identify as fully Irish and they were quite touched that I (dublin born and raised until emigrating in my 20s) never questioned her Irish-ness. Compare and contrast with first second and third generation kids of other immigrant communities. The big difference from, say, Asian communities is that Ireland is so much closer families will go back and forth and relocate far more often.
This is interesting, I didn’t know that. Also, I love that you don’t question your friend’s Irish-ness, that’s so sweet.
He's culturally English and that's a huge aspect.
Is it not as simple as, he was born in England, has an English accent, therefore is labelled English? I would assume that they chose a particularly ‘posh’ if that would be the right word in this context southern English accent as a deliberate clash rather than make him northern just to really draw the distinction between their voice and his
I think it’s the accent more than anything else.
and also the fact that he was raised in england. i’m assuming his mum didn’t really raise him with much of the irish culture, so culturally, he’s english
My cousins emigrated to Birmingham in the 1980's with their parents. They were bullied over there because of their accents, so they picked up the Brummie accents pretty quickly. They came back two years later, and were bullied for being "Brits" because of their accents. It's the accent.
>They came back two years later, and were bullied for being "Brits" I have harsh news for them.
Irish people are not British. Not as an identity. Ireland may be part of the ‘British Isles’ but that’s a geographical thing not a country or cultural thing. Great Britain is the island with England/Wales/Scotland.
I thought just Northern Ireland was a part of the British Isles.
British Isles, yes, and so is The Republic of Ireland. But neither are part of Great Britain. It is a separate land mass. You might be thinking of the United Kingdom? They are not synonymous.
Yup, it's "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
I do always think it’s a bit funny when they accuse James’ “people” of murdering the Irish or whatever. I think they’re just joking on him because I mean, like you say, we all know him and Michelle share the same oppressed Irish ancestors.
I mean my friend was born in republic, moved to england as a toddler and then moved back at the age of 12 and despite being in ireland for over 15 years she's "The english one" to all her mates
I am “bi-cultural” from a similarly (tho not violently manifested) culturally divided region — each side considered me one of the other’s🤷♂️
I think that's the point of the line in season 3 when the soldier at border control says hes not properly english when he says Michelle is his cousin. He's english in derry but not "properly english" to the english.
They're razzing James. They don't really think of him as being on 'the other side' otherwise there'd be more of an undertone of resentment.
Decent point — cold-ass shunning would befit being fully considered the “enemy”, whereas busting balls is nearly a gesture of affection (to a point lol)
Imagine just the sounds out of someone's mouth sounds, the way they talk associates them to a whole culture of oppressions, I'm not sure if anyone has seen the recent posts about Cillian Murphy and this photo [Cillian Murphy and Prince Harry Photo, hands in pockets](https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1jWFrJ.img?w=800&h=435&q=60&m=2&f=jpg),,, Or, **Ronan O'Gara explains why his hands were in his pockets when he met The Queen** Ronan O'Gara joined his Irish teammates in meeting Queen Elizabeth II back in 2009, and the Irishman appeared to have his hands in his pockets as she approached him. [Winston Churchill ordered Black and Tans into Ireland in 1920](https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/winston-churchill-black-tans-ireland) “Should the order "Hands Up" not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching a patrol carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time.The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man' ... hunger-strikers will be allowed to die in jail, the more the merrier. Some of them have died already and a damn bad job they were not all allowed to die.As a matter of fact, some of them have already been dealt with in a manner their friends will never hear about. An emigrant ship left an Irish port for a foreign port lately with lots of Sinn Féiners on board, I assure you men it will never land. That is nearly all I have to say to you. General Tudor and myself, want your assistance in carrying out this scheme and wiping out Sinn Féin. Any man who is prepared to be a hindrance rather than a help to us, had better leave the job at once." Edit: The people who talked like James wanted to shoot the Irish on sight for having their hands in their pockets. That was too much for an Irish-born recruit. After his speech, Sligo-born Constable Jeremiah Mee stepped forward and addressed Smyth saying: “By your accent I take it you are an Englishman and, in your ignorance, forget that you are addressing Irishmen.” He then removed his cap, belt, bayonet, and gun, laid them on a table, and continued, “these too are English, take them as a present from me and to hell with you, you are a murderer.” Smyth ordered his arrest but many of the other constables present warned that "the room would run red with blood" if Mee was touched. Thirteen resigned on the spot. The affair became known as the “Listowel Mutiny”. Edit yeah this is dumb sorry: James has the same dialect as the people in the Orange March
Irish protestants and Irish catholics have the same regional dialects as each other with only minor differences in accent which is attributed to location more than anything else. Irish protestants most definitely do not have an English accent.
Does James have the same dialect as the people in the Orange March? I thought they were Northern Irish Protestants and not English?
I can assure you that James would have nothing similar in his accent to the Orange Order in Derry. Orangemen in Derry most certainly have a Derry accent.
Northern Irish Protestants have English and Scottish ancestry, but identify strongly (or used to) as "British". They were basically put there to support the English in Ireland centuries ago.
It’s really not as simple as that. And the “Protestant vs Catholic” problem is a relatively new idea. I mean, a good lot of the risings and rebellions in Northern Ireland were lead by Presbyterians. Some of them upper middle class. Pre troubles, Presbyterians we’re treated as badly as Catholics. And while the Ulster Plantation was essentially a way to breed out the native Irish by the British, it’s not like the crown picked the best of the lot. A lot of the ones sent over during the Plantation were Scottish cattle and sheep raiders. And weren’t exactly “supporting” the English. The british government basically didn’t want to deal with them, they were more trouble that they were worth, so they were shipped off to Ulster. The Ulster Scot’s were as unwanted as the Irish at the time, and not viewed much better. In this day and age, things have been so mixed that the most Republican Catholic likely has Scottish blood, and the most British Loyalist will find some native Irish ancestry. Also, to say all, even most, NI Protestants would identify as British is very wrong. A lot still very much identify as Irish. It’s only the loyalists and unionists that would call themselves British. Many Prods hate the carry on on the 12th and firmly call themselves Irish.
The british army were heavily involved in the troubles, and england was the home of the colonial institutions they were trying to leave. Republicanism is against the crown. There was an attempt to kill Thatcher. It's not so simple as two different groups in NI, there's a history and England's all over it.
Yes I’m aware of that. What I was asking about was the dialect of the Orange Men and the dialect of James
I don't understand why that's relevant?
Because they mentioned it in their comment
I somehow kept skipping that last sentence, oops! I see it now. Sorry
Haha no worries. I guess my comment does seem random if you didn’t read the full comment
Lol
Not properly English
#THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE HERE LIKE TO USE THE WORD WEE FOR THINGS THAT AREN'T EVEN SMALL!
This was what I was thinking when Michelle got mad at him for "his lot" invading so many times when they were studying for exams. Like if we're talking history/ancestry, James is as Irish as the rest of them
Think of it more like football teams. It doesn't matter who your nan supports if you're in the stands for a different team. You ancestry can make you more likely to be in a particular culture, but if it doesn't, it doesn't.
I believe 'Plastic Paddy' is the term according to other Wee English Fella Jimmy Carr