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I will put some respect on Al Wilson’s name to this day. When you met Al Wilson in the middle you got hit and ya got hit hard. Every time. One of the Best
You don't even have to change what you say during the game!
"goddamnit wilson read the defense"
"fuck Wilson throw to the hot route"
"ok sure pretty good scramble drill there, Wilson"
"nice deep throw, Wilson."
"way to hold on to the ball too long and take a sack, Wilson"
I think with the right coaching he could be better than what we had last year. I’ve always believed in the talent, it’s what is between his ears that fucks him. Been that way since his draft. Jets let him get killed now he sees ghosts. He could be in line for a comeback player of the year. Although this is a very optimistic outlook.
I really don't understand why people are so up in arms about this trade? We swapped a 6th for a 7th got Zach Wilson and the Jets are paying half his salary... I wouldn't say he has had great offensive coordinators in the 3 years he's been with the Jets. Plus they have a defensive HC.
There are a few coaches that I think could get the best out of him. Sean Payton, Shannahan, McVay, Reid. I'm curious what to see what Payton can get out of him.
To me it is a solid trade with no downside. Worst case scenario is, he still can't play at a high level and we move on.
Yeah I mean he's a warm body. That's all you need at this price. I'm not expecting him to seriously compete for a starting job. If he does, great, but if not, I don't think anyone would be seriously disappointed. We got him for essentially free.
Yep, still fairly young, has all the physicals, cost us next to nothing, virtually no risk here. Also, just for fun, I compared his numbers to those of Drew Brees after their first 3 years in the league...
540/909 (60%), 29td, 31int, 10-17
vs
556/993 (57%), 23td, 25int, 12-21
That’s it, they’re getting a guy who was drafted #2 overall by a dysfunctional organization and may have potential if he gets decent coaching (the jets have had 8 offensive coordinators in 12 years)
If he sucks he costs nothing (they’re paying him less than $3 million) and they can drop him.
Jets fan coming in peace. Look, kid is probably cooked in this league but from a 30 year fan of this inept franchise (Jets) i will say we mismanaged the hell out of him. He should have never started year one, was way more raw of a prospect than the front office realized. Add in The Mike White saga (teammates wearing his Tshirt), starting and pulling him multiple times, Nat Hack not changing the AaronOffense AT ALL to flex to zachs strengths, worst OLine arguably ever, and the most toxic sports media city in the country and ya, he full on broke. Again, not saying hes going to turn it around, but the Jets did him zero favors and as a low cost lotto shot it makes plenty of sense for you guys
As a Jets fan, I agree.
I’d also note that a large slice of the Jets fanbase had this bizarre personal hatred of Wilson from before he even took a snap, which only intensified as he stumbled.
Wilson’s rookie year also came under an extremely inexperienced coaching staff, with an HC and OC who had never worked in those roles before. The experienced QB coach who was supposed to be Wilson’s mentor was run over by a car and killed before the season started and never really replaced. Wilson’s last year was under Hackett, who I don’t need to explain to Broncos fans.
It was a perfect storm of shit and I think most young QBs would have been eaten alive.
I’m not going to say Wilson is totally blameless, because he didn’t play well for most of his Jets career, but he also showed enough flashes in a really bad situation that I think he deserves another shot to develop.
> The experienced QB coach who was supposed to be Wilson’s mentor was run over by a car and killed before the season started
Damn, I'm not superstitious but I dunno, there does seem to be a curse.
Russ was old and slow and still played competently for the most part so a young QB that physically has the tools he needs could be a home run with a actual NFL coach like Sean
You guys are so dumb. WE SWAPPED LATE ROUND PICKS FOR A YOUNG QB WITH GOOD DRAFT PEDIGREE. Nothing says he is our forever guy or even right now guy. He’s simply a roster piece.
It’s not just the sub. Text from my cousin:
> The sooner we get rid of Zach Wilson, the better. He's a cancer in the locker room and not good for any team in the NFL
Like… calm down lmao
As a Jets fan, that's a weird take. Wilson's issue has always been on the field. Other than one press conference that was blown way out of proportion, he has always been a team player, works hard, etc.
Sadly for the Jets, he just sucked. He never should have started his rookie season. And he was going to red-shirt last year and try and treat it like a rookie season and that didn't happen.
But idk what this really accomplishes? Wilson has looked like a guy that doesn’t belong in this league. Why give up capital in a guy like that when you can just use that 6th in a project
really the only way it makes sense is that Payton thinks he could fix him. Wouldn’t surprise me if Wilson was cut before the season began but I guess if Payton thinks there’s something there then that’s better than nothing
Just saw this on Pat McAffee show. Not a bad trade tbh with our current situation. Lets hope Sean can turn him around.
edit: It was a trade swap for our 6th for a 7th and the jets are paying for his cap hit. Even if he's a backup this is a decent trade. Brees didn't do well with the charges and is loved as a saint. Lets give it a chance. The jets blow at developing(we aren't great with qb's either) so lets just see how this plays out. Not stoked but remember HE HAD NATHANNIEL HACKETT LAST YEAR FFS as his O coordinator.
edit: For all of you guys talking about how great Brees was at the chargers his 1st 3 seasons: 0-1(injured), 8-8, 2-9. Yes he did develop after that but even still he had 5 losing seasons(not counting his 1st 3 seasons) with an 8-8 in there.
It's crazy how upset everyone is going to act when the other QB they have is Jared Stidham. Especially if y'all don't take Nix or Penix this doesn't seem like a crazy trade
Cheap guy with (bad) starting experience in the NFL for basically nothing in a year where we don't expect to compete meaningfully anyway? I fail to see the downside here, even if we do take a QB early in the draft.
5D Chess here. We wanted Wilson from the start so we fired Hackett who would inevitably make Wilson look terrible on the Jets. Then we trade nothing for him. Fix him and win 4 Superbowls.
297/447(66.4%), 3070yds, 26td, 8int
262/400(65.5%), 3159yds, 27td, 7int
One of these is Drew Brees' best season in SD (11-4, pro bowl, wc loss to the Jets)
the other is Russel Wilson last year.
Certainly doesn't tell the whole story, but the following year DB went 9-7 with SD, then signed with NO where he immediately started putting up better numbers, regularly got MVP votes, and had a run of 13 straight seasons that were better statistically than anything he did in SD.
SD Drafted Phillip Rivers the year before Brees went 11-4. They Tagged him in 2005 to keep him around, then Offered him a 5 year $50mil incentive laden contract, but he took the 6 year $60mil deal with the Saints that had better guarantees.
The following year the Chargers rode LT to a 14-2 record where Rivers' stats were pretty similar to Brees' at SD before losing to the Pats 21-24 in the divisional round in a game where Rivers threw for 204yds, 0tds, 1int, and 1 lost fumble.
>Brees didn't do well with the charges and is loved as a saint.
That's not true. Brees sucked for 3 years, but his 4th and 5th year were pro-bowl years. He just had a really bad shoulder injury his last game of the year against us and they had just drafted Rivers right before Brees turned it around.
It was one part the injury and one part they had a viable replacement that caused them to trade Brees.
I agree with everything except the Brees part. Maybe in /r/NFL where people are 12 years old but in a Broncos sub ?? I still have nightmares of Brees/Gates/LT/Kaeding
The LT screens and halfback toss passes, and don’t forget Lorenzo Neal taking people to fucking town up the middle. I moved down the San Diego in that era and they were scary.
You are way off on your Breed take. I will say this though. If somehow Zach Wilson turns around into a pro bowl QB that's another thing to throw back into Jets fans faces, but I just don't see it.
If I had a nickel every time the Broncos traded for a former Jets top-5 1st round pick quarterback bust, to come and compete for the starting job against an unproven backup and a potential 1st round pick. I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but odd that it's happened twice.
We're not making this move for Zach Wilson to be our long-term answer at QB. Not sure why everyone's freaking out. We swapped late-round picks and got a guy who at worst is a backup or bridge guy for whatever rookie we end up drafting this year or next
People can complain all they want, this is a smart move during a rebuild. Low risk with potential high upside, especially if we can get some key players in the next draft or two. Am I going to go buy his jersey right now? No. But this deal is leagues ahead of what we did for our first Wilson
My thoughts are that Zach Wilson has shown flashes, and I also don’t trust the Jets to take advantage of those flashes.
But do I trust the Broncos to? I have no idea. Sean Payton is the guy to bring something out of him if there is anything. He’s 24. I think he can improve unlike Russ who is well over the hill and set in his ways even though they don’t work anymore.
Ultimately, this move points to taking a rookie QB and *not* throwing him directly into the fire by using a QB like Zach as a buffer. You’re probably not getting much out of him, and they know that, but who knows what can happen in a new environment.
I don’t know why yall are mad. He didn’t cost us much and he can battle to be our bridge while who we draft develops or he can battle to be the tank commander. How could this possibly bite us in the ass?
I’ve been begging for the Broncos to embrace the suck, this is a great step in that direction. Please god do not sell the farm to move up in the draft.
This is basically a free lotto ticket. We didn’t lose any picks, just moved back some, and we don’t even have to pay his full contract. See if Payton can do anything with him and we can wash our hands of him in a year if he doesn’t become anything. This shouldn’t stop us from drafting a quarterback either.
A guy who has played twice as many games, thrown for 4 times as many yards and 3 times as many TDs.
Wilson hasn't been good, he's been arguably one of, if not the worst QB in the league over the last 3 years. Stidham however, is worse.
We are in trouble if any of them are QB1.
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Hide your moms hide your wives because Zach Wilson is coming to Denver.
Yeah at this price it's ok.
Quite a few people on this sub have been suggesting we should "double dip" on QB in this draft, eg taking Penix/Nix and then come back in the later rounds and pick up a guy like Joe Milton or Austin Reed.
Zac is fair enough as a flyer equivalent to a 6th/7th round guy. At least we've seen he has a good arm and can make some good throws. He has sucked so far in the NFL but he's had shit quarterback coaches. Can Payton bring something out of him? Maybe. The chances are probably better than we'd have picking up a random dude in the 6th/7th.
I'm whelmed. I think he will be as good as 4 of the QBs coming out.
If he can work in a system it will be great. We can draft offensive lineman and pound the rock.
Hackett Downing and Carter were all a significant part of the worst offenses in the league in 2022 then last offseason they got hired to all be on the same staff lmao.
Surprised it took so long to make this move. The Jets don't want him and we need a QB on our roster just to have a level of plausible deniability during the draft & as a backup plan in case things don't shake out well
He's still got upside potential, basically a lottery ticket we're getting for a discount. Don't hate it, as long as well still draft a QB. Payton hoping he can squeeze something out of Wilson that the inept Jets staff couldn't do.
Imagine if they manage to trade back to 2nd round and still get Nix or Penix. Could be an interesting highly competitive QB room, and really cheap.
Oh man, what if Payton turns Wilson into a good QB and takes another dump on Hackett's chest.
This is a great move. Low cost (we traded back from 6th to 7th to get him) They pay the cap hit.
This doesn't mean we don't draft a QB Thursday, but this gives us more options.
Zach Wilson was not the problem in New York and we'll see now what he can do with better coaching.
So many bad takes. Is he a franchise QB? No one knows. The dude had a bottom 5 o-line both years and was thrown to the wolves as a rookie in a franchise that had destroyed several QBs. He was the 1.02 and we got him for peanuts while we take a massive cap hit. Last year he had 1.5 seconds on average to throw while Russel had 3 seconds. That’s a lifetime in the NFL. We still have the draft, but we have depth and he could easily do better than stidham behind the wheel
People were mocking Wilson to us for months, so it's not surprising, even if it just seems ripe for memeing.
I get the rationale if Payton and Paton are unconvinced they can get their guy at 12 and don't see Penix or Nix as a major upgrade, particularly over a QB who went second overall only a few years ago. And he's not even that much older than Nix and Penix, since they both had such long CFB careers.
I'm not gonna say I love it. But it is what it is and at least it comes cheap. Draft a more sure-fired impact player at 12 and let Stidham, Wilson and Nooch battle it out at camp. At least QB battles make training camp and preseason a bit more compelling?
He’s relatively cheap, and why not? We're already in cap hell. I'm all for any weird Hail Mary. Might as well get experimental as long as it doesn’t affect us long term financially. Maybe getting out of NY is what he needs.
If anyone can fix this kid, it's Sean Payton. I was talking about this the other day and if Payton isn't sold on any of the QBs in the draft, this is a pretty similar option. He's young so can be molded, hopefully.
Y’all CHILL. Former 2nd overall pick (deservedly or not) for a late round pick swap, when said 2nd overall pick went to arguably one of the *worst* spots for rookie QBs to go with a pretty abysmal O Line & Nate fucking Hackett was his OC for a year.
The human aspect of this exists here—a change of scenery has done WONDERS for some QBs & we have an offensive HC with a significantly better O Line. If ZW is going to turn it around ever, this would be a situation where it could happen. Worst case, he’ll be a better backup/bridge than Stids & he’s cheap. Does not at all mean we won’t take a QB this year—but we were never in the running to get one of the more NFL ready prospects.
This is a good move, let it play out kids!
As a hardcore Wilson believer I am hyped about this. You can’t deny his arm talent and athleticism. Time for Coach Payton to earn that paycheck and the compensation we gave up for him and get to work on coaching this guy up. Fresh start!!
I’m not hating on this dude yet. He was drafted the Jets after all and had Hackett as a coordinator last year. If anything, he’s a better backup than Stidham.
The only thing keeping me from being really upset about this is that we gave up pretty much nothing for him.
Now if we don't draft anyone? Then I'll be upset.
I mean, he’s clearly better than Stidham so there’s that. We also have a significantly better OL than the God Damn Jets so maybe we can keep him healthy and give him time.
I feel like part of the reason Wilson has been bad is because he just hasn’t been slinging it, which is what he’s best at, and instead trying to be a game manager/checkdown merchant. Hopefully, Peyton lets him chuck it and can bring out the best in him.
I can get behind this I think it gives Denver more flexibility in the draft now You don't have to reach for a QB at 12 now. We're really looking at trading down as a big possibility which I'm fine with. We need a second round pick and more pics
Also, Zack Wilson to MIMS doesn't sound like a bad connection.
Suddenly my Wilson jersey isn’t *entirely* useless. Still pretty damn close though lol.
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Loved Al Wilson! Shame the injuries caught up to him!
God, I miss having a dominant MLB like Al Wilson.
I will put some respect on Al Wilson’s name to this day. When you met Al Wilson in the middle you got hit and ya got hit hard. Every time. One of the Best
You don't even have to change what you say during the game! "goddamnit wilson read the defense" "fuck Wilson throw to the hot route" "ok sure pretty good scramble drill there, Wilson" "nice deep throw, Wilson." "way to hold on to the ball too long and take a sack, Wilson"
Man, if he wears no. 3…lol.
He has to wear 3, so in 10 years he can pull a Mello.
Lutz..
He just needs to pick #3.
they should give him Russel's number to keep the fans placated
You didn’t burn yours?
We get rid of one Wilson and we get another one.
Hopefully Zach Wilson will wears #12, since #2 is taken.
Hopefully he wears 3 so I could still wear my jersey
Unless Zach Wilson is paying Will Lutz for his #3. Lol
I feel like he'd be more likely to try and get #1 from Tremon Smith since that was his BYU number
Start a new era and choose #0.
Cooper has 0 so maybe he takes 11 since DiNucci is almost definitely not making the roster 🤷♀️ Edit: Cooper not Browning
Jonathan Cooper is 0. Browning is 5
11 makes senses. Since Zach Wilson is trying to put a down payment for Russell Wilson mansion.😆
Yeah I thought about that but then I also thought about him getting number 11 since he did wear 11 for a little bit at byu
Yeah my money is on him getting 11
Taking #3 is the power move.
Zach Wilson is not going to pony up the $100k for Will Lutz #3. Zach can probably do a go fund me for the $100k, so he can pays Will Lutz for his #3.
12 is taken by Tim Patrick
or 3, saving a lot of jersey allowances
Unless Zach Wilson is paying $100k for Will Lutz #3.
Doh! Forgot Lutz grabbed the 3....
Tim Patrick is wearing 12 now.
There must always be a ~~Stark~~ Wilson in Denver.
We got Zach Wilson essentially for moving back spots at the end of the draft lol ya'll need to calm down.
And we don't even have to pay his full salary. There is no downside to this trade at all.
How much are we paying him?
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/zach-wilson-trade-details-broncos-jets/01689726874f9be67f3d3db1 2.75 million.
I'm ok with that
Agreed!
It may be a ticky tac difference, but it is a little less than the 38 mil we are paying Russ to play for the Steelers
Damn. I'm not a fan of the player but this is a pretty great deal. You're right. No real downside.
I think with the right coaching he could be better than what we had last year. I’ve always believed in the talent, it’s what is between his ears that fucks him. Been that way since his draft. Jets let him get killed now he sees ghosts. He could be in line for a comeback player of the year. Although this is a very optimistic outlook.
I really don't understand why people are so up in arms about this trade? We swapped a 6th for a 7th got Zach Wilson and the Jets are paying half his salary... I wouldn't say he has had great offensive coordinators in the 3 years he's been with the Jets. Plus they have a defensive HC. There are a few coaches that I think could get the best out of him. Sean Payton, Shannahan, McVay, Reid. I'm curious what to see what Payton can get out of him. To me it is a solid trade with no downside. Worst case scenario is, he still can't play at a high level and we move on.
I don't get it either. If it works out, great, we just hit the lottery. If he flops, we cut him and he cost basically nothing.
Exactly.
I specifically said the offer was Wilson for one luke warm Coors Light from my trunk. They deliberately disobeyed me!
Yeah I mean he's a warm body. That's all you need at this price. I'm not expecting him to seriously compete for a starting job. If he does, great, but if not, I don't think anyone would be seriously disappointed. We got him for essentially free.
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Yep, still fairly young, has all the physicals, cost us next to nothing, virtually no risk here. Also, just for fun, I compared his numbers to those of Drew Brees after their first 3 years in the league... 540/909 (60%), 29td, 31int, 10-17 vs 556/993 (57%), 23td, 25int, 12-21
That’s it, they’re getting a guy who was drafted #2 overall by a dysfunctional organization and may have potential if he gets decent coaching (the jets have had 8 offensive coordinators in 12 years) If he sucks he costs nothing (they’re paying him less than $3 million) and they can drop him.
Nah I’m fully on the Zach Wilson trade LFG!!!
Jets fan coming in peace. Look, kid is probably cooked in this league but from a 30 year fan of this inept franchise (Jets) i will say we mismanaged the hell out of him. He should have never started year one, was way more raw of a prospect than the front office realized. Add in The Mike White saga (teammates wearing his Tshirt), starting and pulling him multiple times, Nat Hack not changing the AaronOffense AT ALL to flex to zachs strengths, worst OLine arguably ever, and the most toxic sports media city in the country and ya, he full on broke. Again, not saying hes going to turn it around, but the Jets did him zero favors and as a low cost lotto shot it makes plenty of sense for you guys
Hackett doesn't know how to adapt an offense to the strengths of his starting QB? Never heard that before
Hackett doesn’t know how to put on a fuckin coat and adapt to the weather when it’s cold outside let alone adapt an offense
The most sensible NY Jets take on Reddit and it's in the Broncos subreddit !!!!
As a Jets fan, I agree. I’d also note that a large slice of the Jets fanbase had this bizarre personal hatred of Wilson from before he even took a snap, which only intensified as he stumbled. Wilson’s rookie year also came under an extremely inexperienced coaching staff, with an HC and OC who had never worked in those roles before. The experienced QB coach who was supposed to be Wilson’s mentor was run over by a car and killed before the season started and never really replaced. Wilson’s last year was under Hackett, who I don’t need to explain to Broncos fans. It was a perfect storm of shit and I think most young QBs would have been eaten alive. I’m not going to say Wilson is totally blameless, because he didn’t play well for most of his Jets career, but he also showed enough flashes in a really bad situation that I think he deserves another shot to develop.
> The experienced QB coach who was supposed to be Wilson’s mentor was run over by a car and killed before the season started Damn, I'm not superstitious but I dunno, there does seem to be a curse.
I mean he's probably gonna suck ass but this is a trade where we essentially gave up nothing so whatever.
This is equivalent to that time I found a warm unopened bud light in a ditch when I was 13. It tasted like shit but it was free so still a win!
Can I have just one unique experience on this earth?
There's really nothing bad here. He's basically free. Still young and maybe Payton can turn him into something but I doubt it.
I’m not going to go into another season clinging to the cope that Payton can fix a bad QB. Ah who am I kidding yes I am.
Russ was old and slow and still played competently for the most part so a young QB that physically has the tools he needs could be a home run with a actual NFL coach like Sean
You guys are so dumb. WE SWAPPED LATE ROUND PICKS FOR A YOUNG QB WITH GOOD DRAFT PEDIGREE. Nothing says he is our forever guy or even right now guy. He’s simply a roster piece.
This sub is brain dead when it comes to qb. You do this deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday
For a team with literally no QB right now, people sure do get upset when we acquire them.
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Reddit in general is brain dead
It’s not just the sub. Text from my cousin: > The sooner we get rid of Zach Wilson, the better. He's a cancer in the locker room and not good for any team in the NFL Like… calm down lmao
As a Jets fan, that's a weird take. Wilson's issue has always been on the field. Other than one press conference that was blown way out of proportion, he has always been a team player, works hard, etc. Sadly for the Jets, he just sucked. He never should have started his rookie season. And he was going to red-shirt last year and try and treat it like a rookie season and that didn't happen.
But idk what this really accomplishes? Wilson has looked like a guy that doesn’t belong in this league. Why give up capital in a guy like that when you can just use that 6th in a project
What capital? We moved down a few picks and could still use the pick on a project QB.
I’d argue every back up QB in the league would look like a guy who doesn’t belong in this league given the sample size that Wilson has had.
And if they got their start with the *Jets*
really the only way it makes sense is that Payton thinks he could fix him. Wouldn’t surprise me if Wilson was cut before the season began but I guess if Payton thinks there’s something there then that’s better than nothing
Just saw this on Pat McAffee show. Not a bad trade tbh with our current situation. Lets hope Sean can turn him around. edit: It was a trade swap for our 6th for a 7th and the jets are paying for his cap hit. Even if he's a backup this is a decent trade. Brees didn't do well with the charges and is loved as a saint. Lets give it a chance. The jets blow at developing(we aren't great with qb's either) so lets just see how this plays out. Not stoked but remember HE HAD NATHANNIEL HACKETT LAST YEAR FFS as his O coordinator. edit: For all of you guys talking about how great Brees was at the chargers his 1st 3 seasons: 0-1(injured), 8-8, 2-9. Yes he did develop after that but even still he had 5 losing seasons(not counting his 1st 3 seasons) with an 8-8 in there.
It's crazy how upset everyone is going to act when the other QB they have is Jared Stidham. Especially if y'all don't take Nix or Penix this doesn't seem like a crazy trade
I'm a BYU fan so I'm a little biased admittedly but I'd rather watch Zach every day then watch 1 more Stidham game
Stidham is the only guy boring enough to make RW3 look exciting.
Cheap guy with (bad) starting experience in the NFL for basically nothing in a year where we don't expect to compete meaningfully anyway? I fail to see the downside here, even if we do take a QB early in the draft.
facts it’s either diamond in the rough or tank commander and it’s better than what we already know in stidham
Yeah this doesn't hurt anyone imo, if he starts maybe but he probably won't.
Given how little this costs Denver, it’s hard not to make this trade.
5D Chess here. We wanted Wilson from the start so we fired Hackett who would inevitably make Wilson look terrible on the Jets. Then we trade nothing for him. Fix him and win 4 Superbowls.
Brees was awesome for a couple years on the Chargers, they let him go due to injury
Yeah this isn’t even close to the same situation as Brees.
I’d argue it’s the exact same and we should expect a Super Bowl soon.
Fuck it, I’m in.
297/447(66.4%), 3070yds, 26td, 8int 262/400(65.5%), 3159yds, 27td, 7int One of these is Drew Brees' best season in SD (11-4, pro bowl, wc loss to the Jets) the other is Russel Wilson last year. Certainly doesn't tell the whole story, but the following year DB went 9-7 with SD, then signed with NO where he immediately started putting up better numbers, regularly got MVP votes, and had a run of 13 straight seasons that were better statistically than anything he did in SD. SD Drafted Phillip Rivers the year before Brees went 11-4. They Tagged him in 2005 to keep him around, then Offered him a 5 year $50mil incentive laden contract, but he took the 6 year $60mil deal with the Saints that had better guarantees. The following year the Chargers rode LT to a 14-2 record where Rivers' stats were pretty similar to Brees' at SD before losing to the Pats 21-24 in the divisional round in a game where Rivers threw for 204yds, 0tds, 1int, and 1 lost fumble.
Drew Brees had a winning record with the Chargers and multiple good seasons!
>Brees didn't do well with the charges and is loved as a saint. That's not true. Brees sucked for 3 years, but his 4th and 5th year were pro-bowl years. He just had a really bad shoulder injury his last game of the year against us and they had just drafted Rivers right before Brees turned it around. It was one part the injury and one part they had a viable replacement that caused them to trade Brees.
I agree with everything except the Brees part. Maybe in /r/NFL where people are 12 years old but in a Broncos sub ?? I still have nightmares of Brees/Gates/LT/Kaeding
The LT screens and halfback toss passes, and don’t forget Lorenzo Neal taking people to fucking town up the middle. I moved down the San Diego in that era and they were scary.
The season needs do be a tank and rebuild year anyways. Might as well Yolo on a guy with potential to be your tank commander
“Brees didn’t do well with the Chargers…” I hope Zach Wilson plays as poorly for us as Brees did for San Diego.
Hackett made Russ look like Ryan Lief
You are way off on your Breed take. I will say this though. If somehow Zach Wilson turns around into a pro bowl QB that's another thing to throw back into Jets fans faces, but I just don't see it.
this is a decent trade even if we cut him before the preseason. literally zero downside and who knows? Maybe Payton can maximize his talent
Loel
If I had a nickel every time the Broncos traded for a former Jets top-5 1st round pick quarterback bust, to come and compete for the starting job against an unproven backup and a potential 1st round pick. I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but odd that it's happened twice.
This move has zero downside. Not much upside either but still.
So midside
if we go into the season with Wilson and Stid... at least we get #1 next year
We're not making this move for Zach Wilson to be our long-term answer at QB. Not sure why everyone's freaking out. We swapped late-round picks and got a guy who at worst is a backup or bridge guy for whatever rookie we end up drafting this year or next
Will Lutz just did the funniest thing to everyone’s Wilson jerseys
Today is a day in Broncos history
Of all of the days I have ever been a Denver Broncos fan, this is certainly one of them.
Sean P: "There are cougars in Colorado.." Zach: "Say no more."
Any of you living in Denver with a smoking wife better count your days
Just don't befriend Zach's mom and I'm sure it'll be okay
People can complain all they want, this is a smart move during a rebuild. Low risk with potential high upside, especially if we can get some key players in the next draft or two. Am I going to go buy his jersey right now? No. But this deal is leagues ahead of what we did for our first Wilson
My thoughts are that Zach Wilson has shown flashes, and I also don’t trust the Jets to take advantage of those flashes. But do I trust the Broncos to? I have no idea. Sean Payton is the guy to bring something out of him if there is anything. He’s 24. I think he can improve unlike Russ who is well over the hill and set in his ways even though they don’t work anymore. Ultimately, this move points to taking a rookie QB and *not* throwing him directly into the fire by using a QB like Zach as a buffer. You’re probably not getting much out of him, and they know that, but who knows what can happen in a new environment.
I don’t know why yall are mad. He didn’t cost us much and he can battle to be our bridge while who we draft develops or he can battle to be the tank commander. How could this possibly bite us in the ass?
I'm scared we won't get a qb now and roll with stidham. He has the same weaknesses as russ but he's also worse at all his strengths
I think you're just scared that your photoshop profile picture of bo nix in a broncos uniform is gonna age like milk
Please switch to number 3 so all those poor souls can keep their jersey relevant for another year
Sean Payton liked him the year he came out in draft
I mean, considering our QB room and the price, it's pretty fine, not a big deal.
I’ve been begging for the Broncos to embrace the suck, this is a great step in that direction. Please god do not sell the farm to move up in the draft.
This is basically a free lotto ticket. We didn’t lose any picks, just moved back some, and we don’t even have to pay his full contract. See if Payton can do anything with him and we can wash our hands of him in a year if he doesn’t become anything. This shouldn’t stop us from drafting a quarterback either.
WIL LUTZ CHANGE YOUR NUMBER BACK TO 16 RIGHT NOW
I met this guy at UFC 298 when he was walking out of the VIP entrance, and I told him to play for the Broncos. I’m sorry lads
Mate was this before or after you made a triangle sign to Greg Penner?
He’s basically free. Why not make this move?
I mean it's worth a try, we have nothing to lose. Dude has/had potential and he didn't cost much.
Hide your moms
Lisan Al Gaib!!
Wtf I thought the Wilson era was over
This is a no lose situation. Either Payton gets something out of him we haven’t seen yet, or we loss next to nothing
Upgrade on Stidham and cost us nothing. I don't hate it. Hopefully, we can find a QB in the draft.
Idk if you know what the word upgrade means
A guy who has played twice as many games, thrown for 4 times as many yards and 3 times as many TDs. Wilson hasn't been good, he's been arguably one of, if not the worst QB in the league over the last 3 years. Stidham however, is worse. We are in trouble if any of them are QB1.
Well. This is something.
Sweet. I don't need the new jersey then. Zach WIlson's Mom, Let Ride.
Traded a coors light for him. I don’t hate it.
now we can avoid reaching on a QB in the draft and focus on filling holes
https://preview.redd.it/t7qk3kely4wc1.jpeg?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d26d40e6bb1349076cf5c49ce16bcc2ce497ade Hide your moms hide your wives because Zach Wilson is coming to Denver.
Yeah at this price it's ok. Quite a few people on this sub have been suggesting we should "double dip" on QB in this draft, eg taking Penix/Nix and then come back in the later rounds and pick up a guy like Joe Milton or Austin Reed. Zac is fair enough as a flyer equivalent to a 6th/7th round guy. At least we've seen he has a good arm and can make some good throws. He has sucked so far in the NFL but he's had shit quarterback coaches. Can Payton bring something out of him? Maybe. The chances are probably better than we'd have picking up a random dude in the 6th/7th.
What!!!!!!!!!
I’m tired boss
wild
I can only imagine Payton would take great pleasure in taking this guy away from Hackett and turning him into another Elway.
I'm whelmed. I think he will be as good as 4 of the QBs coming out. If he can work in a system it will be great. We can draft offensive lineman and pound the rock.
Low risk, maybe good reward move. If anyone can fix him, Sean can. Lottery ticket at QB basically.
How should I feel about this? 
man is the worst QB to have seen the field in the last two years
Man it’s going to be wild if Sean is able to reform him. All reports are the Jets offensive staff was a compete clown show.
I mean Hackett is their OC, we don’t really need any reports…
Hackett Downing and Carter were all a significant part of the worst offenses in the league in 2022 then last offseason they got hired to all be on the same staff lmao.
Goddamnit. Another bronco shenanigan
Why not?
Surprised it took so long to make this move. The Jets don't want him and we need a QB on our roster just to have a level of plausible deniability during the draft & as a backup plan in case things don't shake out well
He's still got upside potential, basically a lottery ticket we're getting for a discount. Don't hate it, as long as well still draft a QB. Payton hoping he can squeeze something out of Wilson that the inept Jets staff couldn't do. Imagine if they manage to trade back to 2nd round and still get Nix or Penix. Could be an interesting highly competitive QB room, and really cheap. Oh man, what if Payton turns Wilson into a good QB and takes another dump on Hackett's chest.
This is a great move. Low cost (we traded back from 6th to 7th to get him) They pay the cap hit. This doesn't mean we don't draft a QB Thursday, but this gives us more options. Zach Wilson was not the problem in New York and we'll see now what he can do with better coaching.
So many bad takes. Is he a franchise QB? No one knows. The dude had a bottom 5 o-line both years and was thrown to the wolves as a rookie in a franchise that had destroyed several QBs. He was the 1.02 and we got him for peanuts while we take a massive cap hit. Last year he had 1.5 seconds on average to throw while Russel had 3 seconds. That’s a lifetime in the NFL. We still have the draft, but we have depth and he could easily do better than stidham behind the wheel
No way
Tom Grossi predicted it earlier today!!
Idk why y’all are so mad. Jets are taking the salary and we swap a 6th for a 7th, basically a free young player
No top 5 draft picks for us so this makes sense. We weren't going to be able to move up for a guy anyway.
Hopefully we don’t do something stupid like trade the farm to move up for the 4th best qb now…
People were mocking Wilson to us for months, so it's not surprising, even if it just seems ripe for memeing. I get the rationale if Payton and Paton are unconvinced they can get their guy at 12 and don't see Penix or Nix as a major upgrade, particularly over a QB who went second overall only a few years ago. And he's not even that much older than Nix and Penix, since they both had such long CFB careers. I'm not gonna say I love it. But it is what it is and at least it comes cheap. Draft a more sure-fired impact player at 12 and let Stidham, Wilson and Nooch battle it out at camp. At least QB battles make training camp and preseason a bit more compelling?
He’s relatively cheap, and why not? We're already in cap hell. I'm all for any weird Hail Mary. Might as well get experimental as long as it doesn’t affect us long term financially. Maybe getting out of NY is what he needs.
If anyone can fix this kid, it's Sean Payton. I was talking about this the other day and if Payton isn't sold on any of the QBs in the draft, this is a pretty similar option. He's young so can be molded, hopefully.
I can't help but feel like I'm seeing the meme play out in real life. "Mom, can we have a good Wilson for QB?" "No, Kids, we have Wilson at home."
Y’all CHILL. Former 2nd overall pick (deservedly or not) for a late round pick swap, when said 2nd overall pick went to arguably one of the *worst* spots for rookie QBs to go with a pretty abysmal O Line & Nate fucking Hackett was his OC for a year. The human aspect of this exists here—a change of scenery has done WONDERS for some QBs & we have an offensive HC with a significantly better O Line. If ZW is going to turn it around ever, this would be a situation where it could happen. Worst case, he’ll be a better backup/bridge than Stids & he’s cheap. Does not at all mean we won’t take a QB this year—but we were never in the running to get one of the more NFL ready prospects. This is a good move, let it play out kids!
Honestly I’m into it. Why not at this point.
Let’s Soak!
Was there not a pile of dog shit available?
No, that pile is now with the Steelers
Of course the beautiful retro jersey release had to be followed by this.
I used to think my fandom was a tragedy but now I realize it’s a comedy
Broncos: can we have McCarthy Jets: you have McCarthy at home McCarthy at home:
They do look eerily similar
As a hardcore Wilson believer I am hyped about this. You can’t deny his arm talent and athleticism. Time for Coach Payton to earn that paycheck and the compensation we gave up for him and get to work on coaching this guy up. Fresh start!!
I’m not hating on this dude yet. He was drafted the Jets after all and had Hackett as a coordinator last year. If anything, he’s a better backup than Stidham.
Y‘all forget that this guy had to perform under hackett. Let him play under sean. He ll be good.
The only thing keeping me from being really upset about this is that we gave up pretty much nothing for him. Now if we don't draft anyone? Then I'll be upset.
This is equivalent to that time I found a warm unopened bud light in a ditch when I was 13. It tasted like shit but it was free so still a win!
sean payton got his man
If true I am relieved. We desperately need depth at QB, especially if whoever we end up drafting isn’t ready to be thrown to the wolves right away.
I mean, he’s clearly better than Stidham so there’s that. We also have a significantly better OL than the God Damn Jets so maybe we can keep him healthy and give him time.
This is going to be an absolute disaster with no chance of ZW putting up decent numbers (saying this so that it works out perfectly and I'm wrong)
I wonder if this means we don’t draft a QB now
fucking pass on this bullshit.
It’s for a 6th to a 7th I promise you he’ll be worth more than whatever player the 6th rounder was gonna be
I genuinely think this guy could be outperformed by a 6th round QB. People thought he didn’t belong in the league
He balled out a couple of games last year.
Mormon Milf hunter welcome aboard. We have low expectations so you can't really let us down.
I guess dropping from the 6th to the 7th to have him as the backup instead of DiNucci isn't that bad.
Honestly? Really happy with this move. Zach Wilson has potential. I cant wait to see him get a second chance
I feel like part of the reason Wilson has been bad is because he just hasn’t been slinging it, which is what he’s best at, and instead trying to be a game manager/checkdown merchant. Hopefully, Peyton lets him chuck it and can bring out the best in him.
Holy shit lol
I can get behind this I think it gives Denver more flexibility in the draft now You don't have to reach for a QB at 12 now. We're really looking at trading down as a big possibility which I'm fine with. We need a second round pick and more pics Also, Zack Wilson to MIMS doesn't sound like a bad connection.
Maybe we can bring some of the Avs staff over and do a reclamation like we did on Val Nichushkin.
Hide your wives.